Scotland Yard takes over the inquiry into Maddie's disappearance from Portuguese plus *UPDATE* CPS lawyers fly to Portugal

marconi wrote:Dear Tony,
thank you very much indeed for answering my questions and for trusting me. Eerything is new for me and I am not familiar with the UK laws.
I believe that the PJ would not have accepted the Yard getting involved in the case if they would not have had its guarantee of a fair colaboration. Maybe the PJ asked that prosecutor lawyer to come to Portugal, in order to personnally meet her. I would have done it and you can not forget that the Yard investigation is happening very far away from Portugal and the PJ is not British, they work on a different way.

I don't believe that the UK is burning 5 million only for a cover up. A cover up was not necessary because England is primary uninformed and the arguido status of the McCanns was lifted 5 years ago.
My opinion is that the British government wants  to get rid of the McCanns, searching for justice and peace. You can read it on Cameron's words to the parents: ..."and don't give up, speak volumes". If the British government would not do something about it, the McCanns would continue being a pain in their ...!
It is of their interest to solve this case, for Madeleine's sake and for themselves.

The parents' silence speaks volumes too.

It seems that Theresa May is about to give a statement about he case. I don't know if it is true.

Dear Tony, thank you for everything. You are an angel!

stillsloppingout wrote:

Casey5 wrote:I wonder if the McCanns' are regretting not taking a leaf out of the book of their Tapas mates after the lifting of their arguido status and keeping quiet and getting on with their lives?

We never hear anything from or about their friends - apart from an odd charity race appearance. They have, seemingly, returned to their old lives, gone back to work and are bringing up their kids.

If the McCanns' had some input in or knowledge of the disappearance of Madeleine then if they had done the same, told their friends and families that they had to bring some form of normality into their lives for the sake of the twins maybe then I believe they would have been home and dry - albeit without their daughter.

I sincerely believe they know what happened to Madeleine McCann, they are probably living in great fear now and I'm desperately sorry for the twins.

They should have taken Pat Brown's advice when she told them to  "shut the f-ck up".

They have had no choice other than stay in the public eye , they chose the hide in plain sight , huddle in with politicians etc ,line of defence  ' employed  to perfection by Jimmy Saville.

  There possible undoing has being  Gerry's trying to get into politics [ that was the / his  ultimate objective , [ hence Leverson , Hacked off etc . ] if that had been achieved , say standing for parliament , or being a minister of some kind they would have been home and dry . 
Hacked off i repeat is what will ultimately be his undoing , biting ,both the hands of his loyal subjects, "the press" and pi@@ing off a lot of ministers etc at the same time .

 To quote somebody ? Hubris always gets you in the end .

Tony Bennett wrote:

marconi wrote:Dear Tony,
thank you very much indeed for answering my questions and for trusting me. Eerything is new for me and I am not familiar with the UK laws.
I believe that the PJ would not have accepted the Yard getting involved in the case if they would not have had its guarantee of a fair colaboration. Maybe the PJ asked that prosecutor lawyer to come to Portugal, in order to personnally meet her. I would have done it and you can not forget that the Yard investigation is happening very far away from Portugal and the PJ is not British, they work on a different way.

I don't believe that the UK is burning 5 million only for a cover up. A cover up was not necessary because England is primary uninformed and the arguido status of the McCanns was lifted 5 years ago.
My opinion is that the British government wants  to get rid of the McCanns, searching for justice and peace. You can read it on Cameron's words to the parents: ..."and don't give up, speak volumes". If the British government would not do something about it, the McCanns would continue being a pain in their ...!
It is of their interest to solve this case, for Madeleine's sake and for themselves.

The parents' silence speaks volumes too.

It seems that Theresa May is about to give a statement about he case. I don't know if it is true.

Dear Tony, thank you for everything. You are an angel!

Your comments noted, by the way rainbow-fairy has been on this forum for long enough to know that there is more than one person around trying to lay traps for me. I see she has apologised to you for her reaction. I will always try to answer reasonable questions put to me - but as you must know there are quite a few questions that I can no longer give an honest answer to, or indeed any answer to

Tony Bennett wrote:

marconi wrote:Dear Tony,
thank you very much indeed for answering my questions and for trusting me. Eerything is new for me and I am not familiar with the UK laws.
I believe that the PJ would not have accepted the Yard getting involved in the case if they would not have had its guarantee of a fair colaboration. Maybe the PJ asked that prosecutor lawyer to come to Portugal, in order to personnally meet her. I would have done it and you can not forget that the Yard investigation is happening very far away from Portugal and the PJ is not British, they work on a different way.

I don't believe that the UK is burning 5 million only for a cover up. A cover up was not necessary because England is primary uninformed and the arguido status of the McCanns was lifted 5 years ago.
My opinion is that the British government wants  to get rid of the McCanns, searching for justice and peace. You can read it on Cameron's words to the parents: ..."and don't give up, speak volumes". If the British government would not do something about it, the McCanns would continue being a pain in their ...!
It is of their interest to solve this case, for Madeleine's sake and for themselves.

The parents' silence speaks volumes too.

It seems that Theresa May is about to give a statement about he case. I don't know if it is true.

Dear Tony, thank you for everything. You are an angel!

Your comments noted, by the way rainbow-fairy has been on this forum for long enough to know that there is more than one person around trying to lay traps for me. I see she has apologised to you for her reaction. I will always try to answer reasonable questions put to me - but as you must know there are quite a few questions that I can no longer give an honest answer to, or indeed any answer to

stillsloppingout wrote:

Casey5 wrote:I wonder if the McCanns' are regretting not taking a leaf out of the book of their Tapas mates after the lifting of their arguido status and keeping quiet and getting on with their lives?

We never hear anything from or about their friends - apart from an odd charity race appearance. They have, seemingly, returned to their old lives, gone back to work and are bringing up their kids.

If the McCanns' had some input in or knowledge of the disappearance of Madeleine then if they had done the same, told their friends and families that they had to bring some form of normality into their lives for the sake of the twins maybe then I believe they would have been home and dry - albeit without their daughter.

I sincerely believe they know what happened to Madeleine McCann, they are probably living in great fear now and I'm desperately sorry for the twins.

They should have taken Pat Brown's advice when she told them to  "shut the f-ck up".

They have had no choice other than stay in the public eye , they chose the hide in plain sight , huddle in with politicians etc ,line of defence  ' employed  to perfection by Jimmy Saville.

  There possible undoing has being  Gerry's trying to get into politics [ that was the / his  ultimate objective , [ hence Leverson , Hacked off etc . ] if that had been achieved , say standing for parliament , or being a minister of some kind they would have been home and dry . 
Hacked off i repeat is what will ultimately be his undoing , biting ,both the hands of his loyal subjects, "the press" and pi@@ing off a lot of ministers etc at the same time .

 To quote somebody ? Hubris always gets you in the end .

The Rooster wrote:McCann is drunk with his own self importance. If complicit in his daughters disappearance then he will sober up very quickly. McCann won't have many friends on the inside (although some may find him attactive).

jozi wrote:

Cheshire Cat wrote:

Cristobell wrote:

Cheshire Cat wrote:£5 million was spent by Hamish Campbell on investigating the Jill Dando Murder. 30 Policemen spent over 12 months sifting through evidence and leads. They got the wrong man.

Ahhh, but on the plus side, they are working with the Portuguese. 

From 2001...Jill Dando and Barry George :

Alison Saunders, a crown prosecution service lawyer who led the work of the prosecution team, said the conviction showed that circumstantial evidence taken together could, despite common misconceptions, be used to build a strong case.
"Many people believe that circumstantial evidence is not as valuable as direct evidence, such as forensic evidence.
"But in this case, each bit of circumstantial evidence was like a piece of a jigsaw, which fitted together to build up the complete and compelling picture."
The Metropolitan police commissioner, Sir John Stevens, said: "This was a protracted and complex investigation and the team worked exceptionally hard to present compelling evidence to the jury.
"Indeed, the judge has commented on just how meticulous an investigation superintendent Hamish Campbell and his officers carried out."
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I think Hamish Campbell retired a few weeks ago, I am sure it was announced a few weeks ago in the newspapers !

ShuBob wrote:This is not the climate for whitewashes as we've seen with several exposés including this latest news:

Stephen Lawrence family and friends targeted by police 'smear' campaign
Exclusive: former undercover officer Peter Francis says superiors wanted him to find 'dirt' shortly after 1993 murder

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ShuBob wrote:This is not the climate for whitewashes as we've seen with several exposés including this latest news:

Stephen Lawrence family and friends targeted by police 'smear' campaign
Exclusive: former undercover officer Peter Francis says superiors wanted him to find 'dirt' shortly after 1993 murder

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candyfloss wrote:

ShuBob wrote:This is not the climate for whitewashes as we've seen with several exposés including this latest news:

Stephen Lawrence family and friends targeted by police 'smear' campaign
Exclusive: former undercover officer Peter Francis says superiors wanted him to find 'dirt' shortly after 1993 murder

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Posted earlier in Have your Say ShuBob

ShuBob wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

ShuBob wrote:This is not the climate for whitewashes as we've seen with several exposés including this latest news:

Stephen Lawrence family and friends targeted by police 'smear' campaign
Exclusive: former undercover officer Peter Francis says superiors wanted him to find 'dirt' shortly after 1993 murder

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Posted earlier in Have your Say ShuBob

Thanks but I included it here to emphasize my point re my hope that this case will not end in a whitewash.

Pershing36 wrote:Gonna take a break for awhile from the forum.  I am sure there is going to be a lot to discuss in the near future.

However I feel there are far to many questions being fired at Tony for my liking.  I read the the admins are 
on top of this however far too much has happened in the short time I have been a member to ignore this.

Sorry my paranoia has taken over reasoning.

ShuBob wrote:This is not the climate for whitewashes as we've seen with several exposés including this latest news:

Stephen Lawrence family and friends targeted by police 'smear' campaign
Exclusive: former undercover officer Peter Francis says superiors wanted him to find 'dirt' shortly after 1993 murder

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suzyjohnson wrote:A few comments tonight relating to why the government has now decided to act in this case, and suggestions that it's because the McCanns have got too big for themselves, angered too many people. I think it's less complicated than that, I don't believe individuals within the current government took too much interest in Madeleine's disappearance, assuming, like many in the Uk, that the McCanns had been cleared of involvement.

When the McCanns requested a review (which, guilty or innocent, they have to do in order to be seen to be continuing the search) I believe the government asked SY in good faith to look into the case. Once SY did that however, they have encountered the same inconsistencies as the PJ. For their part I think the McCanns fully expected that a review, if any, would reach the same conclusion as the Portuguese, that is 50/50, not enough evidence either way of the parent's involvement or abduction. At which point they would have said, well we tried everything. 

I think the outcome of the review was unexpected for the government and, at the same time I think, never in a million years did the McCanns   expect to see CPS lawyers travelling to the Algarve and the SY authorised to continue the investigation in the Uk.

suzy wrote:Never in a million years did the McCanns expect to see CPS lawyers travelling to the Algarve and the SY authorised to continue the investigation in the Uk.

maebee wrote:Spot on Suzy:

suzy wrote:Never in a million years did the McCanns expect to see CPS lawyers travelling to the Algarve and the SY authorised to continue the investigation in the Uk.

Their bluff was called and they're going to pay the price.

maebee wrote:

ShuBob wrote:This is not the climate for whitewashes as we've seen with several exposés including this latest news:

Stephen Lawrence family and friends targeted by police 'smear' campaign
Exclusive: former undercover officer Peter Francis says superiors wanted him to find 'dirt' shortly after 1993 murder

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I agree Shu. The internet has made information unstoppable. You only have to look at the panic the Americans are in right now over your man Snowden & Wikileaks. It just shows that anybody can break ranks or grow a conscience at any time - post something on the net and it's game over. That's why I really think that SY have decided it's endgame for the Mcs. They can't take the risk that one of the T9, Clarrie or any other of those in the know, won't fess up at some stage in the future.

maebee wrote:Spot on Suzy:

suzy wrote:Never in a million years did the McCanns expect to see CPS lawyers travelling to the Algarve and the SY authorised to continue the investigation in the Uk.

Their bluff was called and they're going to pay the price.

Woofer wrote:What I am finding weird about this latest news is that the Portuguese press haven`t reported on it.  The Olive Press did however.  Joana Morais hasn`t done a post on it either, although she has continued to list the UK press cuttings about it right up to date.  Someone on here said we haven`t heard anything from Isobel Duarte; in fact we haven`t heard anything from anyone in Portugal.  Isn`t this a bit odd?

ShuBob wrote:

Woofer wrote:What I am finding weird about this latest news is that the Portuguese press haven`t reported on it.  The Olive Press did however.  Joana Morais hasn`t done a post on it either, although she has continued to list the UK press cuttings about it right up to date.  Someone on here said we haven`t heard anything from Isobel Duarte; in fact we haven`t heard anything from anyone in Portugal.  Isn`t this a bit odd?

VERY odd indeed!