Scotland Yard takes over the inquiry into Maddie's disappearance from Portuguese plus *UPDATE* CPS lawyers fly to Portugal

PeterMac wrote:Time to say a few decades of the Rosary, I think.
Or in Kate's case 
10 F*** T**** s and a Hail Kate !

confutuere masturbari, confutuere masturbari, confutuere masturbari, Ave Kate

Lance De Boils wrote:For the CPS to be involved, the Met must be intending to make arrests and bring charges.  If the police weren't at that stage, there would be no CPS involvement, surely. And what's more, those arrests must be on British soil.
Unless I'm missing something.

jd wrote:

rainbow-fairy wrote:

The question Tony posted to had nothing to do with the confiscation all of the assets of Tapas 9 in order to help paying the costs of the review. It was in answer to the significance of the CPS being in Portugal
Thanks jd, just as I recalled - nothing to do with costs.
SO - why tag it onto one of Tony's quoting the CPS website, and WHY Tony?
I'll apologise if I am wrong but unless marconi just missed aquila's question, I don't think she'll get a reply...

Maybe marconi can answer why?

I find this robert murat article curious. It was published 2 weeks after the CPS visit to Portugal. We hear nothing from him for years, then 2 weeks after the CPS visit we suddenly out of the blue have this article...strange. Timing is everything. And also, the "announcement" from May about "an announcement" of a SY investigation comes around the week that there has to be a decision on the GA v mccann trial. These things are all planned well in advance and not coincidences. They will most probably all know what the final decision is going to be in the GA v mccann trial. I guess the answers will become obvious shortly

Madeleine world exclusive: 'Bring them all back to Portugal’

ROBERT MURAT today appeals for Scotland Yard to stage a filmed reconstruction of all the events surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

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Monty Heck wrote:Cheers Newintown, it's always a relief to avoid the McCs!  In summer 2007 they cast such a shadow with their press stunts etc, not to mention the police activity (the days of the dog searches) although of course we had no idea exactly what was going on.  We passed the Tapas this visit, now a pizzeria, and it occurred that, every time I've gone by over the years there has always been a receptionist at the entrance to the pool area, so for the first time wondered whether there was anyone on duty there in the evening of 3/5/2007. 

[b]Yes, without the extra UK funding the whole thing would once again collapse but continued funding needs to be justified and there will need to be a result.[/b]  "Because Maddie is missing" is not enough to justify that.  Further there has to be an excellent prospect of a result, which is all very good news although I can understand people being sceptical about SY's intentions and the possiblity of a whitewash as that's all we seem to have seen in this case so far.

Newintown wrote:It's just a wild guess but could the CPS have travelled to meet with the PJ to secure some of the Officers to act as witnesses in a forthcoming trial in the UK?  After all they were in attendance on the night of 3rd May/early 4th May to see the reactions of the McCanns and the Tapas friends and may have heard "off the cuff" comments from them all, which were not mentioned in any of the statements (that's if some of the PJ understood English).  Could that be used in a trial in the UK?  Could also G Amaral be called as a witness, I wonder.  G Amaral did ask for an Officer from the UK to attend a court hearing on his behalf, but the request was turned down, if I recall.

Perhaps PeterMac may know.

Pershing36 wrote:Why do I feel this part of the article is the most telling

It has been reported that Home Secretary Theresa May is set to announce a full-scale Yard investigation into Maddie's disappearance.

A full investigation would allow police to interview suspects in Britain though they would seek the assistance of the Portuguese to carry out there inquiries there.

Then you get

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said they would not comment publicly while Operation Grange continues.

Never stopped him before.

lj wrote:

Pershing36 wrote:Why do I feel this part of the article is the most telling

It has been reported that Home Secretary Theresa May is set to announce a full-scale Yard investigation into Maddie's disappearance.

A full investigation would allow police to interview suspects in Britain though they would seek the assistance of the Portuguese to carry out there inquiries there.

Then you get

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said they would not comment publicly while Operation Grange continues.

Never stopped him before.

or them.
Maybe they got a hint to not too obvious let know that they are kept in the loop.

suzyjohnson wrote:

Newintown wrote:It's just a wild guess but could the CPS have travelled to meet with the PJ to secure some of the Officers to act as witnesses in a forthcoming trial in the UK?  After all they were in attendance on the night of 3rd May/early 4th May to see the reactions of the McCanns and the Tapas friends and may have heard "off the cuff" comments from them all, which were not mentioned in any of the statements (that's if some of the PJ understood English).  Could that be used in a trial in the UK?  Could also G Amaral be called as a witness, I wonder.  G Amaral did ask for an Officer from the UK to attend a court hearing on his behalf, but the request was turned down, if I recall.

Perhaps PeterMac may know.

If there is a trial in the Uk, I'm sure some of the PJ will be called as witnesses, the same way that British police would. Of course, the McCanns, each of the Tapas group, Jeremy Wilkins and the Smith family etc. and also people concerned with the fund, possibly even news editors would also have to be in court, and it may be cheaper to hear the case in the Uk than in Portugal.

Newintown wrote:

suzyjohnson wrote:

Newintown wrote:It's just a wild guess but could the CPS have travelled to meet with the PJ to secure some of the Officers to act as witnesses in a forthcoming trial in the UK?  After all they were in attendance on the night of 3rd May/early 4th May to see the reactions of the McCanns and the Tapas friends and may have heard "off the cuff" comments from them all, which were not mentioned in any of the statements (that's if some of the PJ understood English).  Could that be used in a trial in the UK?  Could also G Amaral be called as a witness, I wonder.  G Amaral did ask for an Officer from the UK to attend a court hearing on his behalf, but the request was turned down, if I recall.

Perhaps PeterMac may know.

If there is a trial in the Uk, I'm sure some of the PJ will be called as witnesses, the same way that British police would. Of course, the McCanns, each of the Tapas group, Jeremy Wilkins and the Smith family etc. and also people concerned with the fund, possibly even news editors would also have to be in court, and it may be cheaper to hear the case in the Uk than in Portugal.

I forgot about JW and the Smith family. I did try to post earlier regarding the other 4 directors of the Fund (Corner, Linnett, Smethurst & Kennedy) but got myself in a bit of a mess with it so gave up.  If all of these people plus newspaper editors are called as witnesses, the bill would be colssal if air fares/hotel accommodation etc has to be paid for them all.

What I was trying to say about the 4 other Fund directors (on the Fund heading, but messed it up) was if the Fund was found to be fraudelent could the 4 directors be charged with "aiding and abetting the McCanns" knowing that the Fund money was not being used for the purpose it was intended; although Kennedy(?) did say in an interview it would be used for legal purposes but I wonder if that would have to be in writing to withstand any legal scrutiny.

lj wrote:

Lostfridge wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:

Lostfridge wrote:This all still feels like a ploy by SY to get hold of the unreleased information, and not for the right reasons!....?

And, where might they get them from?
It's in the Portuguese possession and if the Portuguese should deny them the files how are they going lay hands on them?
Playing tactics or games with the Portuguese is going to worsen the relationship.

No, I don't think they are after unreleased data presuming some is still denied to them, which I doubt, else it defeats the purpose of joint review.
I believe they must have finished examining the papers and need to do get hands on in the investigation to finish  what where the Portuguese left off when they were hampered  No valid reason for the Brits to refuse to cooperate with the METS.  All the lame excuses they used with the Portuguese would be useless if used on the MET.  JMO as usual.

The answer is in the original question and reply. The same way the UK got the information from the original investigation, by being on the ground supposedly helping! and I am sure many of those officials where trying to help, but who was helping get hold of the credit card and medical records, no one?. Who supplied the reading material and manuals to the Mccanns!. Why did all the UK police skip town once the Mccanns did?.  

I will repeat my main point again.. WHY NOW?. Why would the UK powers that be suddenly help to conclude this now? they had the chance years ago. This is the simple reason I do not trust the SY review.

I am with you here lostfridge. Although I haven't arrived at p 44 yet, I too have a very pessimistic view of this whole thing. You just have to read the old rogatories to see how a whitewash works. Those were also "good" policemen. The BS drips of them and none, not one of the interviewers is even touching on a strange answer, or flat out lie. That, together with the with holding of financial information, medical information, the potentially explosive testimony about Payne and "daddy" McCann, was already a white wash, and involved many "good" LE officers. What official statement has come out of operation Grange (strange?) does not give any hope this will be different.

sheila.edwards wrote:heres hoping all the directors of fund have been well checked out over past 2yrs. already uk  with all family and tappas group,fund etc. cant understand it if not ! now more millions to be spent they must have some credible evidence now to solve case in a court or would have to  close case now surely, if  evidence they have not enough, as apparently was case in Portugal.

Monty Heck wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Today at 7:46 pm

While I'm a bit heartened that they removed the links to the Fund website the past isn't easy to forget. If the investigation goes the right way there'll be inquiries into the past with major implications. In the investigation they'll have seen that the Portuguese were already forthcoming with a lot of information to the Police. So why did they allow the McCanns to flee back home in Sep 2007 and turn a blind eye to what they already knew? Surely every UK citizen will want an answer. And it doesn't stop with the police. How about every news channel, government official. publisher and celebrity that supported them? Hornet's nest springs to mind.

Good question! The unquestioning mass leaping onto the McC bandwagon by politicians, celebs, journalists et al from the earliest moments must have long since been a major embarrassment and it was probably envisaged that public questioning would eventually die down, particularly after the way the unArguidoing was spun.  But it didn't die down and, IMO what we are seeing now is happening because it's now accepted that it isn't possible to let this lie and hope it will all go away.

Newintown wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Today at 7:46 pm

While I'm a bit heartened that they removed the links to the Fund website the past isn't easy to forget. If the investigation goes the right way there'll be inquiries into the past with major implications. In the investigation they'll have seen that the Portuguese were already forthcoming with a lot of information to the Police. So why did they allow the McCanns to flee back home in Sep 2007 and turn a blind eye to what they already knew? Surely every UK citizen will want an answer. And it doesn't stop with the police. How about every news channel, government official. publisher and celebrity that supported them? Hornet's nest springs to mind.

Good question! The unquestioning mass leaping onto the McC bandwagon by politicians, celebs, journalists et al from the earliest moments must have long since been a major embarrassment and it was probably envisaged that public questioning would eventually die down, particularly after the way the unArguidoing was spun.  But it didn't die down and, IMO what we are seeing now is happening because it's now accepted that it isn't possible to let this lie and hope it will all go away.

It would be nice to think that forums like this one have kept the questioning and memory of Madeleine alive for the past 6 years. No doubt hundreds of journalists, politicians, TV reporters, police officials, lawyers et al from all over the World follow it, not just through curiosity but should a case like this happen in their country.  If any future trial in the UK takes place it may set a precedence as to if any other country has to go through the same ordeal.

rainbow-fairy wrote:

sheila.edwards wrote:heres hoping all the directors of fund have been well checked out over past 2yrs. already uk  with all family and tappas group,fund etc. cant understand it if not ! now more millions to be spent they must have some credible evidence now to solve case in a court or would have to  close case now surely, if  evidence they have not enough, as apparently was case in Portugal.

AFAIK, a case is never closed unless solved. I could be wrong, though. I'm sure PeterMac would know

Harriet94 wrote:I really beleive that there will finally be justice for Madeleine and that we are ending the final leg in this infamous saga. Those of us that have followed this case from the first bizarre media reports to the publishing of the case files have had an insight into how the media manipulate and justice is put aside to placate vested interests.

Harriet94 wrote:sorry misread reply

Woofer wrote:As I`ve said before, if the Chief Criminal Prosecutor went in April with her second in command, its got to be a  complex case (I believe the second in command is the Head of Complex cases). Not only will there be the 20 British suspects, but also a web of people from other countries,  Halligen, Metodo 3, also the corrupt lawyer who went to Brazil and I`m sure there are others.

jd wrote:The same team of Andy Redwood, Alison Saunders, Hamish Campbell have a history of whitewashing & setting up a patsy for the government....Jill Dando/Barry George

Newintown wrote:

jd wrote:The same team of Andy Redwood, Alison Saunders, Hamish Campbell have a history of whitewashing & setting up a patsy for the government....Jill Dando/Barry George

The Jill Dando case was such a long time ago though, 1999, things have moved on so much from there, the internet for example.   Would they dare to whitewash Madeleine's case, there could be huge repercussions if they tried, I would think.