Re: Scotland Yard takes over the inquiry into Maddie's disappearance from Portuguese plus *UPDATE* CPS lawyers fly to Portugal

by Woofer 21.06.13 11:44

The announcement by the Daily Mail that SY will be announcing something in a couple of weeks sounds suspect to me - who gave them that information I wonder?

It was only about a month or so ago that GM was saying that SY were going to announce something in a couple of weeks.

Sounds as if the info is coming from McCann camp.

by marconi 21.06.13 11:57

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" brilliant piece of detective work by you David, and you involving SY, absolutely marvellous getting to the truth about Madeleine, we shan't be challenging you for the leadership this year, outstanding perception'
'you always said the parents were dodgy, and as for them using your poor child as a guilt trip, utterly disgusting'
Throw away the key!

Kate was intending to launch her book on April the 28th but she postponed it to May the 12th. The reason was Wi'lliam's wedding.
He brought luck to Madeleine: the Yard got involved in it.
Now the royal baby is expected for July the 11th, who knows it will bring luck again: Parents in custody.

by jd 21.06.13 11:58

Woofer wrote:The announcement by the Daily Mail that SY will be announcing something in a couple of weeks sounds suspect to me - who gave them that information I wonder?

It was only about a month or so ago that GM was saying that SY were going to announce something in a couple of weeks.

Sounds as if the info is coming from McCann camp.

Of course

by tiny 21.06.13 12:22

in the London evening standard
New hope in Maddy inquiry as CPS lawyers travel to Portugal

by tiny 21.06.13 12:27

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21 June 2013

Government lawyers have travelled to Portugal to meet police and prosecution officials to discuss new leads in the Madeleine McCann inquiry.

The trip is the first time that lawyers from the Crown Prosecution Service have visited Portugal in connection with Scotland Yard’s £5 million review of the case.
Home Secretary Theresa May is now expected to announce a full-scale Yard investigation into the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine in May 2007.
London’s chief crown prosecutor Alison Saunders and her deputy Jenny Hopkins flew to Portugal in April to meet counterparts to discuss leads identified in the Met’s review.
Last month the Standard revealed that detectives had identified a list of potential suspects. Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, who supervised the review, said there were a “good number” of people who should be questioned as well as “further forensic opportunities”.
The list is thought to number around 20, including Britons. The potential suspects are thought to include a handful of known child-sex offenders who are believed to have been in the Algarve when Madeleine disappeared.
The visit by senior CPS lawyers underlines the belief among senior detectives that the case could be solved.
Portuguese police led the search for Madeleine after she went missing from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz while her parents dined nearby.
The investigation was shelved in 2008 but the Yard launched a Home Office-funded review in 2011 after David Cameron intervened at the request of Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. The review team examined hundreds of thousands of documents from the Portuguese investigation and enquiries by a private detective agency employed by Madeleine’s family and identified 195 potential leads.
A full Yard investigation would allow police to interview suspects in Britain though they would seek the assistance of the Portuguese to carry out any enquiries there.
A CPS spokesman said: “We continue to work with the police on this case.”
A Home Office spokesman said it had agreed to “provide the Metropolitan Police with the resources they need”.

by Guest 21.06.13 12:30

London’s chief crown prosecutor Alison Saunders and her deputy Jenny Hopkins flew to Portugal in April to meet counterparts to discuss leads identified in the Met’s review.

Wow, things must be moving, and they have someone in mind to prosecute.

by **PeterMac** 21.06.13 12:31

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by tiny 21.06.13 12:32

candyfloss wrote:London’s chief crown prosecutor Alison Saunders and her deputy Jenny Hopkins flew to Portugal in April to meet counterparts to discuss leads identified in the Met’s review.

Wow, things must be moving, and they have someone in mind to prosecute.

yes ,but in what or who's direction.

by **PeterMac** 21.06.13 12:34

The CPS do not investigate anything
The CPS do not discuss leads
The CPS "review" the evidence presented to them by the Police (or other investigatory authorities) and decide on two things
1 Sufficiency of evidence, and the likelihood of a conviction
2 Whether it is in the public interest to prosecute.

Read the above with this in mind !

by Guest 21.06.13 12:34

jeanmonroe wrote:
" brilliant piece of detective work by you David, and you involving SY, absolutely marvellous getting to the truth about Madeleine, we shan't be challenging you for the leadership this year, outstanding perception'
'you always said the parents were dodgy, and as for them using your poor child as a guilt trip, utterly disgusting'
Throw away the key!

Not forgetting how many Labour bigwigs were involved in the original investigation.

If he wanted to, David Cameron could utterly destroy the Labour Party.

by jd 21.06.13 12:36

tiny wrote:The potential suspects are thought to include a handful of known child-sex offenders who are believed to have been in the Algarve when Madeleine disappeared.
The visit by senior CPS lawyers underlines the belief among senior detectives that the case could be solved.

raymond hewlett anyone! big grin

Classic set-up

by tiny 21.06.13 12:39

jd wrote:
tiny wrote:The potential suspects are thought to include a handful of known child-sex offenders who are believed to have been in the Algarve when Madeleine disappeared.
The visit by senior CPS lawyers underlines the belief among senior detectives that the case could be solved.

raymond hewlett anyone! Classic set-up

You could right

by Guest 21.06.13 12:40

You beat me to it JD!

I'm still a bit doubtful though that the lord and lady of the manor would go along with that - or the naming of anyone else who is conveniently dead - as they could no longer continue with the "findable little girl" nonsense.

by jd 21.06.13 12:44

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:You beat me to it JD!

I'm still a bit doubtful though that the lord and lady of the manor would go along with that - or the naming of anyone else who is conveniently dead - as they could no longer continue with the "findable little girl" nonsense.

But its the government who are in control of everything

by Guest 21.06.13 12:46

It seems to me that they have been dancing to the McCanns' tune for the last six years.

by Praiaaa 21.06.13 12:51

Interesting about the CPS, surely they do only get involved at the point where the police believe they have sufficient evidence to convict, not before? Or do they get involved to see what should be investigated?
If there were any arrests of TM for any reason, there is not need to rush, after all they are hardly likely to flee anywhere, or pose a danger to the public by remaining at large for a few more weeks. Ducks need to be neatly in rows before arresting slippery people.

by margaret 21.06.13 12:59

Just posted on MM too.

New Hope In Maddie Inquiry - Evening Standard 21/6/13

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New hope in Maddy inquiry as CPS lawyers travel to Portugal

Justin Davenport, Crime Editor

21 June 2013

Government lawyers have travelled to Portugal to meet police and prosecution officials to discuss new leads in the Madeleine McCann inquiry.

The trip is the first time that lawyers from the Crown Prosecution Service have visited Portugal in connection with Scotland Yard’s £5 million review of the case.
Home Secretary Theresa May is now expected to announce a full-scale Yard investigation into the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine in May 2007.
London’s chief crown prosecutor Alison Saunders and her deputy Jenny Hopkins flew to Portugal in April to meet counterparts to discuss leads identified in the Met’s review.
Last month the Standard revealed that detectives had identified a list of potential suspects. Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, who supervised the review, said there were a “good number” of people who should be questioned as well as “further forensic opportunities”.
The list is thought to number around 20, including Britons. The potential suspects are thought to include a handful of known child-sex offenders who are believed to have been in the Algarve when Madeleine disappeared.
The visit by senior CPS lawyers underlines the belief among senior detectives that the case could be solved.
Portuguese police led the search for Madeleine after she went missing from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz while her parents dined nearby.
The investigation was shelved in 2008 but the Yard launched a Home Office-funded review in 2011 after David Cameron intervened at the request of Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. The review team examined hundreds of thousands of documents from the Portuguese investigation and enquiries by a private detective agency employed by Madeleine’s family and identified 195 potential leads.
A full Yard investigation would allow police to interview suspects in Britain though they would seek the assistance of the Portuguese to carry out any enquiries there.
A CPS spokesman said: “We continue to work with the police on this case.”
A Home Office spokesman said it had agreed to “provide the Metropolitan Police with the resources they need”.

by margaret 21.06.13 13:00

Two questions: Aren't the Government Lawyers the CPS themselves?

And don't they only come into play at the END of an investigation after the report on the case is submitted?

ETA: Ooops! Thanks for merging mods x

by Guest 21.06.13 13:01

Margaret, merged your thread with this one as already being discussed here and added to thread title.

by **PeterMac** 21.06.13 13:09

Take out the nonsense. The CPS do not follow up leads, or advise on "potential suspects".
When we cut all that stuff out we are left with

New hope in Maddy inquiry as CPS lawyers travel to Portugal
Government lawyers have travelled to Portugal to meet police and prosecution officials to discuss . . . the Madeleine McCann inquiry.

The trip is the first time that lawyers from the Crown Prosecution Service have visited Portugal in connection with Scotland Yard’s £5 million review of the case.
Home Secretary Theresa May is now expected to announce a full-scale Yard investigation into the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine in May 2007.
London’s chief crown prosecutor Alison Saunders and her deputy Jenny Hopkins flew to Portugal in April to meet counterparts to discuss leads identified in the Met’s review.
. . .
. . .
The visit by senior CPS lawyers underlines the belief among senior detectives that the case could be solved.
Portuguese police led the search for Madeleine after she went missing from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz while her parents dined nearby.
. . .
A full Yard investigation would allow police to interview suspects in Britain though they would seek the assistance of the Portuguese to carry out any enquiries there.
A CPS spokesman said: “We continue to work with the police on this case.”
A Home Office spokesman said it had agreed to “provide the Metropolitan Police with the resources they need”.

Does that begin to make more sense ?

by jeanmonroe 21.06.13 13:18

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Alison Saunders
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]CPS London is headed by Chief Crown Prosecutor Alison Saunders.
A barrister who has prosecuted some of the country's most infamous criminals Alison Saunders joined the CPS in 1986, the year it was formed.
She was appointed London's Chief Crown Prosecutor after heading the CPS Organised Crime Division which deals with the most serious offences, including human trafficking, immigration, drugs-running, counterfeiting and money laundering, and confiscation of criminals' assets.
Alison spent her early CPS career prosecuting in what was then known as CPS London South and then moved to the CPS Policy Directorate in 1991 where she developed an expertise in issues involving child victims and witnesses. Appointed Branch Crown Prosecutor for Wood Green in 1997, she was promoted to Assistant Chief Crown Prosecutor.
Her role in the prosecution of 'Railway Rapist' David Mulcahy - convicted of a spate of sex attacks and murders during the 1980s - was highlighted in a TV documentary in 2001. That year Alison became Chief Crown Prosecutor Sussex, and in 2003 she served as Deputy Legal Advisor to the Attorney General before rejoining the CPS two years later as Head of the Organised Crime Division.
Alison is supported by Deputy Chief Crown Prosecutors (DCCP) Jenny Hopkins, David Robinson, Andrew Baxter and Naheed Hussain, and Business Manager Jean Ashton.
Jenny Hopkins
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by Woofer 21.06.13 13:36

Interesting that its London`s CHIEF Crown Prosecutor and her assistant as well. As all the CPS can do is decide whether there is enough evidence to get a conviction, I would have thought there is someone in mind and a case prepared. But why they have to go to Portugal to do this, is the question. So if there is someone in mind and a case prepared, why are they now saying that Teresa May is going to allow more money for SY to investigate? Surely the investigation is complete if the CPS have now been brought in?

Wondering as its the CHIEF Crown Prosecutor whether it is something far more complicated and involves many other areas.

I may be wrong, but I`m sure the CPS is purely there to decide whether a case is worth persuing - they will be deciding whether there is enough evidence to bring charges against a person or persons suggested.

by jeanmonroe 21.06.13 13:36

So say the PJ say to the CPS 'we think the McCanns and their friends were involved in the disappearance of their daughter and their statements are contradictory and do not make sense, they lied about the shutters being jemmied, they refused to answer questions, and jeopardised the investigation into their daughters disappearance, and would not co-operate fully with us'
The Leicester Police say 'Assistant Chief Constable for Leicestershire police: “While one or both of the McCanns may be innocent there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.”....

"we'd booked up and paid for the Tapas diner, in advance, for every night at 8:30pm"

"But we weren't sure we'd get in!" G&KM.

"which side of the road were you talking to Gerry, Mr Wilkins? refer to your sketch, if you like"!

Do the CPS just IGNORE all this?

There is absolutely NO proof that anyone, OTHER than the McCanns and their friends, were in or around Apartment 5A, all week.

by Cristobell 21.06.13 13:41

Presumably the Crown Prosecution Service would only get involved when a case is ready for prosecution? And I assume any prosecution would be here in the UK, as they don't have jurisdiction in Portugal. Perhaps Petermac can clarify.

by Woofer 21.06.13 13:42

Cristobell wrote:Presumably the Crown Prosecution Service would only get involved when a case is ready for prosecution? And I assume any prosecution would be here in the UK, as they don't have jurisdiction in Portugal. Perhaps Petermac can clarify.

That`s what I don`t get Cristobell - why do they have to go to Portugal?

by Guest 21.06.13 13:46

Woofer wrote:
Cristobell wrote:Presumably the Crown Prosecution Service would only get involved when a case is ready for prosecution? And I assume any prosecution would be here in the UK, as they don't have jurisdiction in Portugal. Perhaps Petermac can clarify.

That`s what I don`t get Cristobell - why do they have to go to Portugal?

They would have to, it has always been a case under Portuguese jurisdiction, therefore they would have to let the PJ and AG know of their plans and discuss all with them.

by jozi 21.06.13 13:48

PeterMac wrote:Take out the nonsense. The CPS do not follow up leads, or advise on "potential suspects".
When we cut all that stuff out we are left with

New hope in Maddy inquiry as CPS lawyers travel to Portugal
Government lawyers have travelled to Portugal to meet police and prosecution officials to discuss . . . the Madeleine McCann inquiry.

The trip is the first time that lawyers from the Crown Prosecution Service have visited Portugal in connection with Scotland Yard’s £5 million review of the case.
Home Secretary Theresa May is now expected to announce a full-scale Yard investigation into the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine in May 2007.
London’s chief crown prosecutor Alison Saunders and her deputy Jenny Hopkins flew to Portugal in April to meet counterparts to discuss leads identified in the Met’s review.
. . .
. . .
The visit by senior CPS lawyers underlines the belief among senior detectives that the case could be solved.
Portuguese police led the search for Madeleine after she went missing from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz while her parents dined nearby.
. . .
A full Yard investigation would allow police to interview suspects in Britain though they would seek the assistance of the Portuguese to carry out any enquiries there.
A CPS spokesman said: “We continue to work with the police on this case.”
A Home Office spokesman said it had agreed to “provide the Metropolitan Police with the resources they need”.

Does that begin to make more sense ?

It certainly does PeterMac, loud and clear !!! Has the pink one made a comment on this new development ???

by Guest 21.06.13 13:49

Woofer wrote:
That`s what I don`t get Cristobell - why do they have to go to Portugal?

I would have thought that if a crime has been committed in Portugal but the case is to be tried in the UK, the CPS would meet with their Portuguese counterparts as a matter of courtesy.

by jozi 21.06.13 13:53

jd wrote:
tiny wrote:The potential suspects are thought to include a handful of known child-sex offenders who are believed to have been in the Algarve when Madeleine disappeared.
The visit by senior CPS lawyers underlines the belief among senior detectives that the case could be solved.

raymond hewlett anyone! :biggrin:Classic set-up

Why would they try to set up Hewlett, the man is dead...... but what about the two who's file is empty ?

by Guest 21.06.13 13:59

Alison Saunders CPS

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She was appointed London's Chief Crown Prosecutor after heading the CPS Organised Crime Division which deals with the most serious offences, including human trafficking, immigration, drugs-running, counterfeiting and money laundering, and confiscation of criminals' assets

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