Scotland Yard takes over the inquiry into Maddie's disappearance from Portuguese plus *UPDATE* CPS lawyers fly to Portugal

Beanie wrote:

ShuBob wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:Once again: I feel very positive. I do believe that SY [or any other] detectives do what they believe in: SOLVE the case and get justice.

Amen!

After reading many posts today I have been up then down. I am going to hold on to these comments in the belief that there are hopefully honest police out there who would never betray justice for an innocent child.

More than 300 police officers have been gagged at the taxpayers' expense at a cost of up to £250,000 each.

The Government has banned gagging orders for NHS employees after it emerged that £18million has been spent on silencing 600 staff.
However, a survey using Freedom of Information laws has found that the orders are also widely used across police forces, leading to concerns that whistleblowers are being silenced.

Stephen Barclay, a Conservative member of the Public Accounts Committee, said: "It is very concerning to hear that police officers with issues of concern which are in public interest appear to have been silenced through gagging clauses.

"These agreements have a clear effect beyond those who sign them because other officers with ambition will see what has happened to those who have concerns and decide to stay silent."
A total of 13 police forces confirmed that they had signed 362 compromise agreements with staff, most of which contained confidentiality clauses.

Many forces declined to respond to the requests, however, meaning the true number is likely to be significantly higher.

The Metropolitan Police has signed 230 of the agreements in the past seven years.

According to the forces 2011-12 accounts, the biggest payout was made to Martin Tiplady, the former head of human resources, who received £259,462 after signing one of the controversial agreements.

Sir Paul Stephenson, the former commissioner, received £176,838 after signing one of the agreements along with his £98,000 salary.
John Yates, who was previously Britain's top anti-terrorism officer, received £86,000 on top of his £120,000 salary.

Both men resigned amid growing controversy over the Metropolitan Police's links to the News of the World, the now defunct tabloid newspaper at the centre of the phone hacking scandal.

They were cleared of any misconduct after an inquiry by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

Lancashire Constabulary has signed 34 compromise agreements with former employees in the year alone, while Surrey Police has signed 28 agreements over the past three years at a total cost to the taxpayer of £614,000.

Greater Manchester Police confirmed it has signed 14 agreements in the past three years while Nothumbria Police has signed 17 and Norfolk Constabulary 10.

Steve Williams, chairman of the Police Federation, said: "Police officers should be able say what they like without worrying about breaching confidentiality agreements. If things are not right they should be able to say so.

“There is a fear factor for officers who want to speak out but don’t because they are concerned about the repercussions. It’s wrong, the police should be transparent.”

The Daily Telegraph has previously established that use of compromise agreements is widespread across both Whitehall and in local authorities.
Freedom of Information requests found that 200 civil servants and officials have signed compromise agreements in the past two years, at a total cost of £14million, along with 4,562 local authority workers.

A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said there were "undoubtedly benefits" to compromise agreements which reduced the risk of legal action.
A Lancashire Constabulary spokesman insisted that compromise agreements have "little or no link" to whistleblowing. Surrey Police said that its compromise agreements had been reached after legal advice.

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jd wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

jd wrote:Just had a thought......If this SY investigation starts, does anyone know if this 'could' mean that the Amaral v McCann trial cannot take place while there is an ongoing live police investigation? I'm not sure the legalities of this possible situation

First point, the trial in Portugal would be conducted under Portuguese legislation.

It is true that the McCanns first brought their libel claim against Dr Goncal Amaral in June 2009, almost a year after the investigation was archived, which meant that there was then no live investigation.

If, therefore, the Scotland Yard review becomes a 'full-blown' re-investigation (and any police officer will tell you that the two things are very very different), it would be the first time during this now 4-year-long libel trial that it would be running alongside a live investigation.

I certainly think it is possible that either side could successfully ask a judge for an adjournment 'to await the outcome of the criminal investigation'.

I am inclined to think that both sides would probably welcome that; they both seem to be heartily weary and sick of the whole bogged-down proceedings.

I am very suspicious of the whole thing

A possible scenarios is that a date for the trial is set, say September. The SY investigation starts.....What happens if 'before' September SY announce they have found the abductor (with their fabricated evidence). What position does this put GA into? It would totally change the goalposts

I have always been highly suspicious of the mccanns with their bleating of the Portuguese not reopening the case, when they know full well they will be arguidos soon as they do. Defies logic & they are bleating for a different reason. This investigation can not only be used to reopen the case under their control i.e. UK Scotland Yard, but also against the Portuguese police (and lead investigator) if/when SY announce they have solved the case with a dead pedophile....All this is highly possible and the mccanns do have the elite of lawyers doing all their bidding for nothing, so would know how to play all this legally

And lets not forget Murat putting himself into the spotlight recently

rainbow-fairy wrote:I could be 100% wrong here jd, and anyone better versed in PT law may know, but I would think even if SY 'solved' the case, 'abductor' and all, it wouldn't affect Amaral?
It is my understanding that PT libel works in that if Amaral truly believed what he stated to be correct, then he cannot be guilty of libel (I believe this is how 'mad Marcos' got away with his comments about Amaral and Cipriano?
Hope so anyway!
Happy to be corrected if wrong

lj wrote: Iam not a betting person, but in this case I'll bet that SY is going to find a doer, who cannot be heard (read dead person) and then close the case.

Problem solved, they still have their British saints, they still show how bad the Portuguese did everything and how smart SY are.

No way they will find any of the Tapas guilty.

stillsloppingout wrote:On a different note, sad state of affairs in this country  its probably the reason why aged DJs and C list soap stars are being charged with historical sex charges, to deflect attention away from IMO the many hundreds of newer cases, involving higher profile celebrities, Members of Parliament, and other professionals etc.

Tony Bennett wrote:

lj wrote: Iam not a betting person, but in this case I'll bet that SY is going to find a doer, who cannot be heard (read dead person) and then close the case.

Problem solved, they still have their British saints, they still show how bad the Portuguese did everything and how smart SY are.

No way they will find any of the Tapas guilty.

 Your definition of 'problem solved' is of course a million miles away from PeterMac's answer to what they mean by 'solving' the case.

On the subject of betting, maybe a book could be opened on who is the likeliest 'doer' that the 'crack' Scotland Yard Review Team will come up with. Something like this. perhaps:


Raymond Hewlett 5/4 on

Tipsy gypsy who knew Hewlett 100-30

Urs Hans von Aesch 10-1

33-1 bar

...or similar...

jd wrote:

rainbow-fairy wrote:I could be 100% wrong here jd, and anyone better versed in PT law may know, but I would think even if SY 'solved' the case, 'abductor' and all, it wouldn't affect Amaral?
It is my understanding that PT libel works in that if Amaral truly believed what he stated to be correct, then he cannot be guilty of libel (I believe this is how 'mad Marcos' got away with his comments about Amaral and Cipriano?
Hope so anyway!
Happy to be corrected if wrong

I hope this would be the case RF, but if SY come up with a result which in effect clears the mccanns, then I am sure they will find the way to hammer him for libel as it is now 'proven' (LOL) that they were innocent, whatever he believed. Its the fact there is a result that changes the rules is what I am not sure about. The law works in mysterious ways and not always logically or fairly. Hopefully if this scenario happens then GA would not have to face any kind of libel charges, be totally outrageous if he did

The fact that the mccanns were dripping in death cadaver in 11 different places, but SY are instead looking at dead paedos and physics dreams tells us where all this going

Finn wrote:Can someone help with this one. I've just been on Leicester Police website. I thought there was supposed to be a link there to the Fund website, I can't see it. And Madeleine doesn't seem to be listed as a missing person either. I know it's late (just back from a concert) perhaps I'm missing something.

lj wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

lj wrote: Iam not a betting person, but in this case I'll bet that SY is going to find a doer, who cannot be heard (read dead person) and then close the case.

Problem solved, they still have their British saints, they still show how bad the Portuguese did everything and how smart SY are.

No way they will find any of the Tapas guilty.

 Your definition of 'problem solved' is of course a million miles away from PeterMac's answer to what they mean by 'solving' the case.

On the subject of betting, maybe a book could be opened on who is the likeliest 'doer' that the 'crack' Scotland Yard Review Team will come up with. Something like this. perhaps:


Raymond Hewlett 5/4 on

Tipsy gypsy who knew Hewlett 100-30

Urs Hans von Aesch 10-1

33-1 bar

...or similar...

The problem from "problem solved" was not "what happened to Madeleine", but the "how can we get out of this mess without looking even more as the bumbling idiots, that we really are".

Yeah, I think there will be something created that makes it possible for Hewlett or von Aesch to have been there the night of the 3rd. The workorder has never been "find out what happened" but "make this stop".

Maybe I should start believing in Karma because I really have nothing of trust  left in police or politics.

tigger wrote:

lj wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

lj wrote: Iam not a betting person, but in this case I'll bet that SY is going to find a doer, who cannot be heard (read dead person) and then close the case.

Problem solved, they still have their British saints, they still show how bad the Portuguese did everything and how smart SY are.

No way they will find any of the Tapas guilty.

 Your definition of 'problem solved' is of course a million miles away from PeterMac's answer to what they mean by 'solving' the case.

On the subject of betting, maybe a book could be opened on who is the likeliest 'doer' that the 'crack' Scotland Yard Review Team will come up with. Something like this. perhaps:


Raymond Hewlett 5/4 on

Tipsy gypsy who knew Hewlett 100-30

Urs Hans von Aesch 10-1

33-1 bar

...or similar...

The problem from "problem solved" was not "what happened to Madeleine", but the "how can we get out of this mess without looking even more as the bumbling idiots, that we really are".

Yeah, I think there will be something created that makes it possible for Hewlett or von Aesch to have been there the night of the 3rd. The workorder has never been "find out what happened" but "make this stop".

Maybe I should start believing in Karma because I really have nothing of trust  left in police or politics.

Agree 100%.

My money's on Von Aesh or a  'man who never was'  - especially constructed to take the rap. With the false flag operations increasing, inventing a lone paedo whose confession and remains will be found in a distant part of e.g. Austria/Croatia/Slowakia/   should be a doddle. Couple of actors to say they knew him and he was always weird and the thing's done.

If only the McCanns had shut up it would have gone away in time. Except for the likes of us of course.

Anyway, that's my last euro on Von Aesch (or a close associate of as I'm sure the narratives are being constructed even as we discuss this).

"While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance."

aiyoyo wrote:Yeap I notice they disassociate mccanns from their site a while ago.  Maybe that's an ominous sign for the mccanns.

There must be a good reason and justification from the Yard to convince Home Office to increase the fund for this.  
Give it a few more weeks after the Yard have got things set in motion  we will hear more about 20 suspects.

So far no Pink puke about how delighted his clients are about the narrowing focus on the 20 suspects - maybe that's a good indication.

It's going to be very difficult for the Yard and Home Office to get away with a white wash after throwing more money into this, especially given the current climate of sleaze, paedo**** scandal, and corruption.

Finn wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:Yeap I notice they disassociate mccanns from their site a while ago.  Maybe that's an ominous sign for the mccanns.

There must be a good reason and justification from the Yard to convince Home Office to increase the fund for this.  
Give it a few more weeks after the Yard have got things set in motion  we will hear more about 20 suspects.

So far no Pink puke about how delighted his clients are about the narrowing focus on the 20 suspects - maybe that's a good indication.

It's going to be very difficult for the Yard and Home Office to get away with a white wash after throwing more money into this, especially given the current climate of sleaze, paedo**** scandal, and corruption.

Suddenly this gives reason for hope.

aquila wrote:There's a deafening silence from TM. I read a comment that CM hasn't tweeted in 17 days. Kate hasn't been around according to her FB page re late delivery of holiday packs. Gerry has been inconspicuous for yonks apart from the infamous daytime telly sofa show of solidarity and the memorial service in Rothley.

Nothing. Absolutely nothing to say how pleased they all are that finally someone other than themselves is searching for Madeleine.

6 weeks of constant media and now....nothing.