Scotland Yard takes over the inquiry into Maddie's disappearance from Portuguese plus *UPDATE* CPS lawyers fly to Portugal

jd wrote:Just had a thought......If this SY investigation starts, does anyone know if this 'could' mean that the Amaral v McCann trial cannot take place while there is an ongoing live police investigation? I'm not sure the legalities of this possible situation

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Tony Bennett wrote:

jd wrote:Just had a thought......If this SY investigation starts, does anyone know if this 'could' mean that the Amaral v McCann trial cannot take place while there is an ongoing live police investigation? I'm not sure the legalities of this possible situation

First point, the trial in Portugal would be conducted under Portuguese legislation.

It is true that the McCanns first brought their libel claim against Dr Goncal Amaral in June 2009, almost a year after the investigation was archived, which meant that there was then no live investigation.

If, therefore, the Scotland Yard review becomes a 'full-blown' re-investigation (and any police officer will tell you that the two things are very very different), it would be the first time during this now 4-year-long libel trial that it would be running alongside a live investigation.

I certainly think it is possible that either side could successfully ask a judge for an adjournment 'to await the outcome of the criminal investigation'.

I am inclined to think that both sides would probably welcome that; they both seem to be heartily weary and sick of the whole bogged-down proceedings.

aquila wrote:I'm still feeling very positive about this. It's now an active criminal investigation. It's not about the McCanns. It's about Madeleine. I just have a feeling there will be arrests in the not too distant future. Some might say it's optimistic to think this way (and I'm an old cynic so I'd normally be in that mode) but I believe the truth is about to come out. I believe the truth is already known and a way to proceed has been agreed. It's just a matter of timing now.

all in my opinion

aquila wrote:I'm still feeling very positive about this. It's now an active criminal investigation. It's not about the McCanns. It's about Madeleine. I just have a feeling there will be arrests in the not too distant future. Some might say it's optimistic to think this way (and I'm an old cynic so I'd normally be in that mode) but I believe the truth is about to come out. I believe the truth is already known and a way to proceed has been agreed. It's just a matter of timing now.

all in my opinion

Tony Bennett wrote:

rainbow-fairy wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:Daily Mail:


But Met detectives insist their leads could, if properly investigated, result in new evidence and perhaps the case being solved.


Wow! What an absolutely sensational breakthrough! This most definitely means that another £5 million, or many times more than that, should be spent by the Metropolitan Police taxpayer.

Quite right Tony, I could win Euromillions if bought tickets, doesn't mean its likely though

REPLY: But...perhaps...you might?  Is it worth a try?

aquila wrote:I'm still feeling very positive about this. It's now an active criminal investigation. It's not about the McCanns. It's about Madeleine. I just have a feeling there will be arrests in the not too distant future. Some might say it's optimistic to think this way (and I'm an old cynic so I'd normally be in that mode) but I believe the truth is about to come out. I believe the truth is already known and a way to proceed has been agreed. It's just a matter of timing now.

all in my opinion

candyfloss wrote:

aquila wrote:I'm still feeling very positive about this. It's now an active criminal investigation. It's not about the McCanns. It's about Madeleine. I just have a feeling there will be arrests in the not too distant future. Some might say it's optimistic to think this way (and I'm an old cynic so I'd normally be in that mode) but I believe the truth is about to come out. I believe the truth is already known and a way to proceed has been agreed. It's just a matter of timing now.

all in my opinion

Well they have got what they wanted in effect - the case has been re-opened albeit by the British not the Portuguese, so they should be delighted.

aquila wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

aquila wrote:I'm still feeling very positive about this. It's now an active criminal investigation. It's not about the McCanns. It's about Madeleine. I just have a feeling there will be arrests in the not too distant future. Some might say it's optimistic to think this way (and I'm an old cynic so I'd normally be in that mode) but I believe the truth is about to come out. I believe the truth is already known and a way to proceed has been agreed. It's just a matter of timing now.

all in my opinion

Well they have got what they wanted in effect - the case has been re-opened albeit by the British not the Portuguese, so they should be delighted.

There's no wriggle-room left. The McCanns can't whinge anymore. It's a criminal investigation, conducted in UK by Scotland Yard. The review was at their 'request' to re-open the Portuguese investigation. The McCanns can't blame Scotland Yard for a bungled investigation. The McCanns can't blame language/cultural barriers (I doubt Kate would ever call a Met officer a f*cking t*sser). The McCanns have allegedly handed over all docs from their weird PI's. There's nothing left to complain about.

It is now a criminal investigation led by Scotland Yard in UK. What can the TM PR machine do now without damaging themselves at every turn?

 and the only person who has any rights in that investigation is Madeleine.

ShuBob wrote:

aquila wrote:I'm still feeling very positive about this. It's now an active criminal investigation. It's not about the McCanns. It's about Madeleine. I just have a feeling there will be arrests in the not too distant future. Some might say it's optimistic to think this way (and I'm an old cynic so I'd normally be in that mode) but I believe the truth is about to come out. I believe the truth is already known and a way to proceed has been agreed. It's just a matter of timing now.

all in my opinion

I, for one, share your optimism

Finn wrote:I too have a bad feeling, the same one when there's a rumor of a sighting when you know it isn't but would love to be wrong.

IMO all SY ever had to do was speak to T7 and families and lean ever so gently. It wouldn't take months and months of digging and might have saved the taxpayer £5M.

I can see the case and fund being wound down and then in time the Movie.

tigger wrote:

Finn wrote:I too have a bad feeling, the same one when there's a rumor of a sighting when you know it isn't but would love to be wrong.

IMO all SY ever had to do was speak to T7 and families and lean ever so gently. It wouldn't take months and months of digging and might have saved the taxpayer £5M.

I can see the case and fund being wound down and then in time the Movie.

Too late! Movie deal was done I expect in January 2008 - six years down the line they'd get a much better deal than a paltry 2 million...

Kate and Gerry 'plan £2m film deal' as Madeleine Fund dwindles Daily Mail
By VANESSA ALLEN
Last updated at 09:06 09 January 2008

Extract (Third re-write of this article and the current online version):
Mr Mitchell said a book deal was also being considered "at some point down the line".

Unquote (rest of article in Timeline for January 2008.

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Cristobell wrote:Ah well, at least extradition lawyers will not be able to prevent the mccanns and the tapas bunch being re-interviewed if it is done on home soil.

I am sure they will all be desperate to help in any way they can.
And will willingly answer not only all the questions put to them, fully and truthfully, but will volunteer any other information the police may not have focussed on, even if they are interviewed under caution I cannot imagine they would reserve their right to silence in such an important matter as recovering their eldest and best loved daughter . .
Can you ?

Ollie1 wrote:I don't think the McCanns expected the review to lead to an investigation, IMO they had delusions of grandeur and thought the review would help keep Them in the spotlight and so money would continue to be donated to their fund. Also allowed them to continue to fool the foolish.

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jd wrote:Just had a thought......If this SY investigation starts, does anyone know if this 'could' mean that the Amaral v McCann trial cannot take place while there is an ongoing live police investigation? I'm not sure the legalities of this possible situation

First point, the trial in Portugal would be conducted under Portuguese legislation.

It is true that the McCanns first brought their libel claim against Dr Goncal Amaral in June 2009, almost a year after the investigation was archived, which meant that there was then no live investigation.

If, therefore, the Scotland Yard review becomes a 'full-blown' re-investigation (and any police officer will tell you that the two things are very very different), it would be the first time during this now 4-year-long libel trial that it would be running alongside a live investigation.

I certainly think it is possible that either side could successfully ask a judge for an adjournment 'to await the outcome of the criminal investigation'.

I am inclined to think that both sides would probably welcome that; they both seem to be heartily weary and sick of the whole bogged-down proceedings.

jd wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

jd wrote:Just had a thought......If this SY investigation starts, does anyone know if this 'could' mean that the Amaral v McCann trial cannot take place while there is an ongoing live police investigation? I'm not sure the legalities of this possible situation

First point, the trial in Portugal would be conducted under Portuguese legislation.

It is true that the McCanns first brought their libel claim against Dr Goncal Amaral in June 2009, almost a year after the investigation was archived, which meant that there was then no live investigation.

If, therefore, the Scotland Yard review becomes a 'full-blown' re-investigation (and any police officer will tell you that the two things are very very different), it would be the first time during this now 4-year-long libel trial that it would be running alongside a live investigation.

I certainly think it is possible that either side could successfully ask a judge for an adjournment 'to await the outcome of the criminal investigation'.

I am inclined to think that both sides would probably welcome that; they both seem to be heartily weary and sick of the whole bogged-down proceedings.

I am very suspicious of the whole thing

A possible scenarios is that a date for the trial is set, say September. The SY investigation starts.....What happens if 'before' September SY announce they have found the abductor (with their fabricated evidence). What position does this put GA into? It would totally change the goalposts

I have always been highly suspicious of the mccanns with their bleating of the Portuguese not reopening the case, when they know full well they will be arguidos soon as they do. Defies logic & they are bleating for a different reason. This investigation can not only be used to not reopen the case under their control i.e. UK Scotland Yard, but also against the Portuguese police (and lead investigator) if/when SY announce they have solved the case with a dead pedophile....All this is highly possible and the mccanns do have the elite of lawyers doing all their bidding for nothing, so would know how to play all this legally

And lets not forget Murat putting himself into the spotlight recently

Châtelaine wrote:Once again: I feel very positive. I do believe that SY [or any other] detectives do what they believe in: SOLVE the case and get justice.

ShuBob wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:Once again: I feel very positive. I do believe that SY [or any other] detectives do what they believe in: SOLVE the case and get justice.

Amen!