Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

[russiandoll]

uppatoffee... agree with all you say.but how to factor in the statements in the Guardian?

[russiandoll]

t is sickening that Bilton now corrupts the facts so that what the expert dogs found becomes, in his weasel lying words, not "scent of a dead body" but the meaningless term "DNA".

yes juliet but the police have the reports on the dogs findings and dont have panoramas agenda..I hope

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[tuom]

Irish TV3 news just on reporting that MMC may still be alive , new picture of her then picture of Sad KM etc etc etc etc [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

[juliet]

Yes, but Bilton is obviously told what to say...and the police are too in this case.

I fear that the McCanns have won. They are laughing their horrible faces off....

This TV programmre was more than a whitewash. It was a smack in the face for everyone who wants to know why that poor neglected child has now disappeared off the face of the earth.

[PeterMac]

Jim Gamble, former head of the UK's Child Exploitation and Online Protection unit, said the hunt for Madeleine had now been reignited. "The person who's done it knows they have done it," said Gamble. "They will be paranoid, and it is likely that someone close to them will see that paranoia, or that as the pressure builds someone close to them who knows they have done it, and who is no longer a friend, might come forward.
"One thing is sure: the person who did this will be watching and listening."
Paranoid, watching and listening, talk about putting a child in danger!!!

She's dead.

[tuom]

Jim Gamble, former head of the UK's Child Exploitation and Online Protection unit, said the hunt for Madeleine had now been reignited. "The person who's done it knows they have done it," said Gamble. "They will be paranoid, and it is likely that someone close to them will see that paranoia, or that as the pressure builds someone close to them who knows they have done it, and who is no longer a friend, might come forward.
"One thing is sure: the person who did this will be watching and listening."
Paranoid, watching and listening, talk about putting a child in danger!!!

She's dead.

With the utmost respect to the child but [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

[monkey mind]

Interesting how they foolishly tried to portray the PJ as a bumbling bunch of amateurs, the European Keystone cops.

Well, if after a whole year, Mr Redwood and his team of ace detectives have only managed to go through 25% of the entire evidence available, the PJ can't have been that hit and miss now eh?

[Guest]

Jim Gamble, former head of the UK's Child Exploitation and Online Protection unit, said the hunt for Madeleine had now been reignited. "The person who's done it knows they have done it," said Gamble. "They will be paranoid, and it is likely that someone close to them will see that paranoia, or that as the pressure builds someone close to them who knows they have done it, and who is no longer a friend, might come forward.
"One thing is sure: the person who did this will be watching and listening."
Paranoid, watching and listening, talk about putting a child in danger!!!

She's dead.

With the utmost respect to the child but [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I did say a child, meaning what a thing to say about any missing child, it would immediately put them in danger.

[PeterMac]

We also learned ...

The PJ in Oporto have been reviewing this for a year.
Not a lot of people knew 'dat !! ( cockney accent important !)

And they have not closed it down as a hopeless cause, nor a waste of money!!

[Guest]

[quote="monkey mind"]Interesting how they foolishly tried to portray the PJ as a bumbling bunch of amateurs, the European Keystone cops.

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Quite, when we have this from ours (from the top of the forum scrolling headlines)........

Quote of the day in this multi-million pound review - DCI Andy Redwood: “We are working on the basis of two possibilities here. One is that Madeleine is still alive; and the second that she is sadly dead"...

[monkey mind]

Ironic, the front page of the Mirror reads .....

"A load of cobblers then and now......"

I feel lawsuit coming on.

[Willo]

'Scotland Yard detectives released a picture of what Madeleine McCann may look like today as they said they had uncovered new information to suggest she could be alive and living with her abductor.'

IMO,

Scotland Yard = Metodo 3.

I wonder if Maddie will be home for christmas.

[TheTruthWillOut]

Jim Gamble, former head of the UK's Child Exploitation and Online Protection unit, said the hunt for Madeleine had now been reignited. "The person who's done it knows they have done it," said Gamble. "They will be paranoid, and it is likely that someone close to them will see that paranoia, or that as the pressure builds someone close to them who knows they have done it, and who is no longer a friend, might come forward.
"One thing is sure: the person who did this will be watching and listening."
Paranoid, watching and listening, talk about putting a child in danger!!!

She's dead.

I was reading that and thinking to myself..(Wishful thinking?)..............is that aimed at the T7? All these articles today, I must say, have deflated me quite a bit.

[uppatoffee]

uppatoffee... agree with all you say.but how to factor in the statements in the Guardian?

I don't know how an investigator into an on going operation could possible dismiss the possibility of parental involvement unless he either knew she was alive and well or he knew who killed her.

I think the phone analysis quote is interesting as we know about the research done by Kiko and Stella and the inconsistencies that it flagged up when compared to the witness statements of the Tapas group.

One other thing I thought was interesting was the lack of reference to the rest of the group in the documentary. Just a passing reference at the beginning about them all leaving their kids. No photos or interviews with any of them. Made them seem very much alone.

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Ironic, the front page of the Mirror reads .....

"A load of cobblers then and now......"

I feel lawsuit coming on.

I hadn't noticed that

[russiandoll]

Jim Gamble, former head of the UK's Child Exploitation and Online Protection unit, said the hunt for Madeleine had now been reignited. "The person who's done it knows they have done it," said Gamble. "They will be paranoid, and it is likely that someone close to them will see that paranoia, or that as the pressure builds someone close to them who knows they have done it, and who is no longer a friend, might come forward.
"One thing is sure: the person who did this will be watching and listening."
Paranoid, watching and listening, talk about putting a child in danger!!!

She's dead.

I think so too....could you please explain the quotes in the Guadian from Redwood re stranger abduction and that she might be living with her abductor? I was open mouthed at that one.. no way did I expect a discussion of any of the theories at this stage, but where is the evidence for this???

[Woofer]

One thing Bilton did query and sort of leave hanging in the air was why is this little girl so SPECIAL to have all these millions spent on finding her above all other missing children.

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[russiandoll]

please lord how does this make sense from Inependent

Mr Redwood said "evidence that she is alive stems from the forensic view of the timeline" that there was the opportunity for her to be taken.

how does that work?

[uppatoffee]

please lord how does this make sense from Inependent

Mr Redwood said "evidence that she is alive stems from the forensic view of the timeline" that there was the opportunity for her to be taken.

how does that work?

So the best Redwood can come up with as evidence for abduction is that it could have happened because the McCanns neglected to check on their children often enough? Remind me why they are not being prosecuted for neglect again?

[NoFuleMe]

So much for the commentators (you know who you are) that thought that SY would do a Sherlock Holmes job!

What a laugh!

This has been on the cards all along, because the UK is totally and utterly corrupt at the highest levels

Cameroon, SY, the whole sorry lot of them

Also at the top in Portugal, Freemasons are running the show in close collusion with their depraved satanic murdering brothers in the UK

There have already been several obvious murders in this case as those considered to have loose lips have been whacked

Amaral said a while back that he thought the only logical conclusion would be a politically expedient one that let the elite in both countries off Scott Free

I have been watching Panorama all my life

Decades

It is a cess pit propaganda arm of Tavistock and mi5

It is blatant lying social conditioning

You cannot trust a damn sentence in any Tavistock production called Panorama

ALL THEIR SHOWS SERVE THE ELITE

Every single one

Tomatoes said he she was giving up

I feel the same

It will take a miracle for the culprits to be identified and spend their lives in jail

This goes right to the very very top who are blatantly and cynically protecting the mccanns

Someone in the know

Maybe one of the tapas 12

Needs to grow a conscience and do a wikileaks

Go public in such a way that the evil filth would not dare to try and kill them

If it were me, if I KNEW what happened

I couldn't live with myself if I did not speak up and put away the murders and their aiders and abettors

[russiandoll]

please lord how does this make sense from Inependent

Mr Redwood said "evidence that she is alive stems from the forensic view of the timeline" that there was the opportunity for her to be taken.

how does that work?

So the best Redwood can come up with as evidence for abduction is that it could have happened because the McCanns neglected to check on their children often enough? Remind me why they are not being prosecuted for neglect again?

but how does one logically move from she was abducted .. to.. there is evidence she is alive ?

[russiandoll]

bravo to Ian Dale on Sky [his female "chat about news companion" said police had leads of 200 sightings. and she was a guardian journo.

He said he was not having a go at the McCanns but what was so special about this mssing child that her face is the one on the papers after all these years and no other missing chidren?
answer...they have built up a media machine around the case......too bloody right.

[uppatoffee]

please lord how does this make sense from Inependent

Mr Redwood said "evidence that she is alive stems from the forensic view of the timeline" that there was the opportunity for her to be taken.

how does that work?

So the best Redwood can come up with as evidence for abduction is that it could have happened because the McCanns neglected to check on their children often enough? Remind me why they are not being prosecuted for neglect again?

but how does one logically move from she was abducted .. to.. there is evidence she is alive ?

One doesn't. Unless there is more information/evidence, like they have seen her perhaps?

[russiandoll]

from the Guardian piece..


It is understood that key areas being investigated by Scotland Yard – which the Portuguese police failed to pursue – include analysis of a huge amount of mobile phone cell site evidence that was gathered but never analysed. That evidence could help to trace any suspects who were around the resort.

I wonder whose mobile phones they could be referring to here.......whose phones were collected apart from those we have read about?
maybe my initial mad theory was not so crazy, taken to order, somewhere safe, alive and well, a big hoax to make loads of money .....but then the stranger bit......maybe a stranger to the child, not her parents....an ambiguous word....

[russiandoll]

but how does one logically move from she was abducted .. to.. there is evidence she is alive ?

One doesn't. Unless there is more information/evidence, like they have seen her perhaps

but then they would get her back not make appeals for witnesses.something truly bizarre going on here. more to it than meets the eye I reckon.

[Cristobell]

Hi Nofule, I think your post is great, but I'm not so cynical, the number of people questioning this case is growing, and I would be interested to hear the results of a poll in Portugal. Actually, would be interested to hear a poll in this country.

[NoFuleMe]

Hi Nofule, I think your post is great, but I'm not so cynical, the number of people questioning this case is growing, and I would be interested to hear the results of a poll in Portugal. Actually, would be interested to hear a poll in this country.

Hi

Thank you

But make NO MISTAKE AT ALL!

I am NOT cynical

I am a realist

I woke up circa 1998

I can read every controlled press article, watch every tee vee alleged documentary, watch the newz

And see right through all the lies

It is both deeply depressing

And liberating at the same time

This case is a microcosm of what is happening now in every single country

I highly suggest anyone remotely interested in getting their minds free so that they can see all these cons

All the corruption

Read aangirfan

Listen to Alan watt at cuttingthroughthematrix.com

Read the self published Madeleine book by the pilot chappie in the USA

I hope and pray that one day an insider will grow a conscience

[Newintown]

from the Guardian piece..


It is understood that key areas being investigated by Scotland Yard – which the Portuguese police failed to pursue – include analysis of a huge amount of mobile phone cell site evidence that was gathered but never analysed. That evidence could help to trace any suspects who were around the resort.

I wonder whose mobile phones they could be referring to here.......whose phones were collected apart from those we have read about?
maybe my initial mad theory was not so crazy, taken to order, somewhere safe, alive and well, a big hoax to make loads of money .....but then the stranger bit......maybe a stranger to the child, not her parents....an ambiguous word....

Wouldn't nearly every person at the holiday complex and those living nearby have a mobile phone and used them constantly every day to stay in touch with work/relatives etc. How would the police be able to distinguish between who were holidaymakers, child abductors, residents just by the phone pings?