Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

[tiny]

If redwood reckons there are 195 Leads why doesnt he give them to the mccanns pi,s to investgate,after all they have money in the Find Madeleine Fund to use,then that would free up SY to look through the more important statements,ie mccanns and tapas 7,gaspars and the smiths.

[alfie02]

If redwood reckons there are 195 Leads why doesnt he give them to the mccanns pi,s to investgate,after all they have money in the Find Madeleine Fund to use,then that would free up SY to look through the more important statements,ie mccanns and tapas 7,gaspars and the smiths.

Hi Tiny, there are no leads, this is old news that was dismissed i think a couple of years ago by the PJ. I think this was put out, to distract from what is Really going on behind the scenes. As Isabel said in panorama "I have no friends who wish to discuss this case, as they all believe in mr Amaral`s theory, That she "died in the apartment and there was simulation of abduction"and "People think im defending a couple who hid their daughters cadaver", but she tried to put it in a way that it was absurd. Isabel read the files that "THEORY IS NOT ABSURD"[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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If redwood reckons there are 195 Leads why doesnt he give them to the mccanns pi,s to investgate,after all they have money in the Find Madeleine Fund to use,then that would free up SY to look through the more important statements,ie mccanns and tapas 7,gaspars and the smiths.

Hi Tiny, there are no leads, this is old news that was dismissed i think a couple of years ago by the PJ. I think this was put out, to distract from what is Really going on behind the scenes. As Isabel said in panorama "I have no friends who wish to discuss this case, as they all believe in mr Amaral`s theory, That she "died in the apartment and there was simulation of abduction"and "People think im defending a couple who hid their daughters cadaver", but she tried to put it in a way that it was absurd. Isabel read the files that "THEORY IS NOT ABSURD"[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

thanks for the reply,but if redwood says Madeleine could be alive then why havent the mccanns ask for the case to be re-opened ASP.WHAT ARE THE MCCANNS AFRAID OF.

[tuom]

The recent media show has left me both indignant and disgusted. So what has it achieved?

It tried to justify the time and the public resources spent on the review by citing the 195 fresh leads and producing an age progressed photo.
It tried to defend the SY's competence largely by rubbishing the PJ.
It tried to persuade the less informed public of the McCanns' innocence and promote the abduction theory by selective reporting.
It tried to draw public attention to the anniversary, KM's book and their continuing plight.
It tried to misinform about certain known facts.
It tried to hype the event further by constantly dripfeeding the press in advance and by the sudden schedule change.

I feel truly ashamed by the British media and the establishment behind this blatant propaganda. Truth and justice appears to be the last thing on their minds. How much more dignified the Portuguese response in contrast by not rising to the bait. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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McCanns to speak publicly next week, I thought they said they weren't doing any interviews just last week..........

Last night a source close to the McCanns said: “Kate and Gerry agree with what Scotland Yard on Wednesday. They will speak publicly next week.”

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[Guest]

In the Mirror article they have the picture of Madeleine in the red dress aged around 2. Under the photo it says..........

Not so little anymore: The McCanns welcome the move away from the older images of Madeleine

So why did they use this image on the book released just a year ago, and what picture is on the front of the new one.

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[russiandoll]

exactly aquila and the new photo could have been done as soon as review began aged 8 not 9 and put out to help find her as that is SYs stated aim... no, its prodcued in tandem with an anniversary.

Bilton you were right to look at 5a and say you think of what might have happened there and that it seems still full of questions.

full of BS more like. If there were questions to ask why didn't he ask them!

I am no fan of Bilton or Panorama and there is no way I expected the many questions to be asked in a half hour show [ it has long ceased being an investigative journalism programme].
Biltin was not as biased as I expected, however and there was his interview with the man who said he and his fellow investigators believed in an accident, Bilton stayed neutral here and actually nodded his head slightly at one point, an acknowledgement that he was respecting that man's opinion.
The programme was edited down from hours of footage most likely, taking Sandra F's and G Amaral's words out of context , no surprises there or at the continued portrayal of a bumbling foreign police force.
And his last words were that it was an enduring mystery. No ref to who abducted her and what has happened to her since.

[Guest]

Friday 27th April 2012




A McCann of Worms...






We all knew it was a huge can of worms. But the news over the last few days is showing what a mixed up state of affairs the missing Madeleine McCann case is proving to be. At the start of the week, I was really hopeful that the case would be reopened in Portugal, now I find myself disheartened and fearful that the real truth may never be known.


It all started with BBC Panorama and its claim that the News International, The Sun newspaper and the McCanns pressured the Prime Minister to instigate the review...

Downing Street sources have revealed to the programme that influence was being exerted on Number 10 by News International and by The Sun newspaper, as well as by the McCanns. Within 24 hours of the front page appeal Mr Cameron announced a review could be paid for out of a contingency fund run by the Home Office, reserved for special cases.


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Bizarre...


Also from BBC's Panorama, we have DCI Andy Redwood claiming that...

We are working on the basis of two possibilities here. One is that Madeleine is still alive; and the second that she is sadly dead. Our drive on both scenarios is of equal measure.

The British media sensationally interpretted this as...

Police reveal Madeleine may still be alive
The Mirror


Madeleine McCann : She is alive
Express

195 Leads and she is still alive
Scotsman

In a complete turnaround, the Portuguese authorities denied all knowledge of new leads and quickly rebutted Scotland Yard's claims with...

There are no new elements at the moment that would allow for the reopening of the inquiry. We have received no formal request for the reopening of the inquiry.

On the day that the McCanns and Isabel Duarte finally returned 7500 copies of Goncalo Amaral's book 'Truth of the Lie' to their rightful owner, publisher Guerra & Pas as ordered...

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Goncalo Amaral appeared on Portuguese television and claimed that...

The British police wanted to impose the theory of abduction and the innocence of the parents.

Even more bizarre is DCI Redwood's apparent sole reason for the belief of abduction hinges on the parents and friends timeline...

Evidence that she is alive stems from the forensic view of the timeline, that there was the opportunity for her to be taken. Investigations show there do appear to be gaps.

Forensic view of the timeline? This timeline?...

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I'm all for a chink of hope, but it beggars belief that Scotland Yard and the media have appeared to dismiss the findings of the British cadaver dog brought onto the case at the recommendation of our very own British police. A skilled dog who marked the scent of death in apartment 5a and the McCanns' hire car. And on Mrs McCann's clothing, a child's t-shirt and Madeleine's favourite toy, Cuddlecat. How can the scent of death simply be glossed over and ignored when it was found on McCann related items only and nowhere else in Praia de Luz? So what if the forensics were degraded and contaminated, it's the scent of death for goodness sake.


A battle of words, court cases and desire for power and money seems to have dominated this case. Most importantly, at the core of all of this is Madeleine, who seems almost forgotten in the crossfire. She doesn't deserve the fate she has been dealt or all this PR crap being bandied in the media. The truth has to be know.

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[russiandoll]

[quote="Ribisl"]The recent media show has left me both indignant and disgusted. So what has it achieved?

It tried to justify the time and the public resources spent on the review by citing the 195 fresh leads and producing an age progressed photo.
It tried to defend the SY's competence largely by rubbishing the PJ.
It tried to persuade the less informed public of the Mc

great post, yes Panorama long ago sank to being a show not an investigative programme. The type of programme to address the issues in this case will last 2 hours and come from channel 4 probably, if and I hope when it happens.
I was sickened by the show's agenda, but happy that a few snippets about the case came out that have not been in the public domain and now they have been aired on that programme can be debated freely.
And there is no better evidence of the police not sticking to their remit by issuing that photo [ not commissioned by the couple for the book, but by SY as part of their review] to tie in with a book launch and so for publicity [ for the couple] rather than in the search.
Kate McCann should be asked next week in her interviews why she thinks SY waited to release this photo until now when it could have been published months ago to aid in the search if as stated Maddie could be alive.

[Guest]

Usual rubbish from the Sun, but there is a picture of Portuguese Attorney General, and the wording underneath says.....

Thursday: Dope ... Portugal chief Monteiro says 'We will only re-open Maddie case on new facts'

Little nugget at the end from Alan Johnson

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[aiyoyo]

There is an interesting post on Joana Morais.

Essentially it follows what some of us have been thinking for some time.
I paraphrase-
IF Madeleine were alive and capable of being found the entire force of the review should be directed towards that.
Every lead must be followed up to its conclusion.
Only when it is absolutely clear that nothing further can be done in that direction should the review look at the possibility of her death.
To use only half his resources on finding her alive would leave Redwood open to the most severe criticism.
He states that only 25% of the work has so far been done.

I do not think we need to be too pessimistic.
If Madeleine can be found alive she must be. No one disagrees with that proposition.

What I want to know is how a serving Head of Police can go on national TV and proclaimed his team's conclusion when he still have 75% of the files to analyze. How did he already know (or how come he already assumed) that nothing is going to be found in the 75% ?
What if the crucial bits are within the 75% and points to opposing direction, wouldn't it be sinful waste of PJ's time, money, and resources to chase 195 useless leads prematurely, before all the documents were looked at?

I am not too optimistic about this now that AR has assumed his Maddie is alive theory based solely on 25% review, then urged the PJ to reopen. Not only this is very unrealistic, it is also very unprofessional, amateurish in fact. A sr Police Office jumping the gun this way is highly unusual and his action of proclaiming his premature conclusion so publicly may suggest hidden agenda. Question

One would have thought being professional means completing the files before drawing an objective conclusion. Surely it is not too late to react or decide the next step after the files review is 100% finished.
If the objective conclusion should be the same as this one, then at that time only it becomes appropriate to seek a reopen even if only to chase leads.

The pertinent question is: why did he jump the gun? Is the timing of the proclamation important factor to the Yard? IF so, why?
This proclamation based only 25% file materials coincide wiith Murdoch appearance at LI, before Amaral's Book Release, TB trial, and Amaral trial? Is this just coincidence?

I am really skeptical about the Yard's review now. Never in history has the Head Police in charge of review updates the person asking for the review, nor made prematurely announcement of his conclusion based on unfinished work?

Bearing in mind this is not just their review, but a joint one. The Yard sought a joint co-operation and got it, and professionalism dictates that they should at least let their review partner know they were going on TV to announce a conclusion that would compromise their partner?

Hmmm...something's not quite right about it.

eta: BTW I suspect the Oporto team was informed about the yard's panorama interview, but not told about what the Yard's input would be.
Either that or RB slant it so much that it wasn't as promised.
I dont believe for one second Amaral would have agreed to come on had he known that RB was going to edit it so heavily, or portray him so negatively. I suspect Oporto team and Amaral were deceived, just like they did to MF.

[Guest]

I wonder too aiyoyo. Suddenly they are talking about this case to everyone. I just read AR was interviewed again this morning, so considering this was supposed to be kept under wraps, and we wern't going to hear the outcome, something has certainly changed, to the extent that after only seeing a quarter of the files, they feel the need to start spouting theories.


I have a question, perhaps PeterMac can maybe answer.

If they have found these 195 new leads, why can't they (SY) persue them? We know when there have been sightings here, and any interviews etc., the Brits have done the investigation and interviews, then passed them on to the PJ. (hopefully) Same in Spain, or anywhere else, the local police do the initial investigating and pass on their findings.

So, why can't they look into these new leads, isn't it after all what the PI's have allegedly been doing. Then if the find really credible information from all these 195, which would probably go down to almost zero, that could open the case, pass that on to the PJ, surely that would make more sense. But of course not such good headlines.

[aiyoyo]

The onus is on PJ as lead investigator to reopen the investigation. As to the onus to chase up leads I am sure this is done involving Police of the country the sighting was spotted. Effectively if the Yard and Oporto come to an arrangement they both share responsibility for co-ordinating and liaising with paper work required to mobilise interpol.

Even on that basis, there is still considerable cost and manpower involved not forgetting other elements factored into the equation, so why did the Yard jump to conclusion at quarter stage is the $64M question.
Questions have to be asked how and from where they based these 195 fresh leads? From Mccanns PIs or the public?
There is bound to be random sighting so the sky's the limit. IF they get new ones are they going to also follow those...where to draw the line?

[puzzled]

It strikes me that Scotland Yard are in a very difficult position with regard to this case. They have no authority to reopen it, and can't arrest the McCanns - unless it was for the fund, if fraud could be proved. So what are they to do? They can't openly say they suspect the McCanns right now, as that would cause the spin machine to go into overdrive, and could even lead to pre-emptive action on the part of the McCanns to protect themselves. I don't suppose that when the police make people prime suspects they give them too many clues about it. Redwood is an experienced detective and he must know that Maddie being alive, and living with her abductor is statistically the least likely scenario. So if he has really said this, he must have access to some extraordinary piece of evidence. In which case he would surely have to give it to the Portuguese to enable them to find her as soon as possible. Or he's saying what the McCanns want to hear. That may be the easiest public position for Scotland Yard to take at the moment - appear to be publicly supportive of the McCanns, while behind the scenes working with the Portuguese to find evidence that will enable them to reopen the case.

At any rate, I wouldn't be too pessimistic for now.

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[PeterMac]

It strikes me that Scotland Yard are in a very difficult position with regard to this case. They have no authority to reopen it, and can't arrest the McCanns - unless it was for the fund, if fraud could be proved. So what are they to do? They can't openly say they suspect the McCanns right now, as that would cause the spin machine to go into overdrive, and could even lead to pre-emptive action on the part of the McCanns to protect themselves. I don't suppose that when the police make people prime suspects they give them too many clues about it. Redwood is an experienced detective and he must know that Maddie being alive, and living with her abductor is statistically the least likely scenario. So if he has really said this, he must have access to some extraordinary piece of evidence. In which case he would surely have to give it to the Portuguese to enable them to find her as soon as possible. Or he's saying what the McCanns want to hear. That may be the easiest public position for Scotland Yard to take at the moment - appear to be publicly supportive of the McCanns, while behind the scenes working with the Portuguese to find evidence that will enable them to reopen the case.

At any rate, I wouldn't be too pessimistic for now.

Quite.
He has to, and be seen to, follow up all the possibilities, however remote and stupid they may appear to everyone else, of her being alive and being kept in the McCann and C-R approved "Hellish Lair", or the also McCann and C-R approved "being treated like a Princess, and giving her tuppenceworth". (I really could vomit !)
He must look for her alive.
Only when every avenue of enquiry for a live Madeleine has been exhausted can he officially turn the enquiry round to look seriously at the other possibility.
That is what he has to tell the public.
And he did exactly what I would have expected him to do.
He did not ask to be interviewed on TV. He did not want to. He was trapped, but dealt with it very professionally, saying almost nothing.
He wants to be left alone, away from the prying eyes of TM and C-R, and get on with his job, which as he clearly said is to "solve" the "enduring mystery" of the "disappearance" of Madeleine Beth McCann.

He has three separate teams, each lead by the DI. How would you divide up the work ?

[Guest]

I have been looking back, and found this from beginning of March this year......



The McCann's Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said he believes the review of the case was sparked by a fresh information.

He told the Daily Mirror: "It's not certain, but what's happening at the moment is that some of the information passed to the authorities could lead to a reopening of the case.

"There is something that aroused enough interest from the Portuguese and British police to warrant this review in search of new clues.

"The most plausible explanation is that information passed to or acquired by the Judicial Police has put them on the trail of something specific."

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And this from 9th March 2012.................




Judiciary Police will not Reopen the Maddie Case

The team is coordinated by Helena Monteiro [Superior Coordinator of Criminal Investigation], from the the PJ in Oporto, and was set up several months ago. However nothing new was found that could help discover the whereabouts of the child

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So, all this is old news from beginning of March, and yet we are being fed the same stuff again, just before the book release, hmmm

[Guest]

This from Duarte Levy so don't know? Helena Monteiro who is leading the Portuguese team.....................

A long way away from the communication experts and the promotion of the new version of "Madeleine," the Portuguese team views the case with a lot less enthusiasm.

"Unfortunately, we can't expect a miracle because it's still only promotion," a PJ inspector close to the team directed by coordinator Helena Monteiro warns.

According to this inspector, "the method adopted by the English is flawed by a mistake: at the beginning, they threw out all possibilities with the exception of abduction by a stranger to the group."

"I am not accusing the parents, but there were other people and for certain there are still doubts. And the only way to take up the investigation again would be to start with the reconstruction," states the same inspector, stressing that "pressure is on collaboration," at the expense of quality.

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[Spaniel]

It strikes me that Scotland Yard are in a very difficult position with regard to this case. They have no authority to reopen it, and can't arrest the McCanns - unless it was for the fund, if fraud could be proved. So what are they to do? They can't openly say they suspect the McCanns right now, as that would cause the spin machine to go into overdrive, and could even lead to pre-emptive action on the part of the McCanns to protect themselves. I don't suppose that when the police make people prime suspects they give them too many clues about it. Redwood is an experienced detective and he must know that Maddie being alive, and living with her abductor is statistically the least likely scenario. So if he has really said this, he must have access to some extraordinary piece of evidence. In which case he would surely have to give it to the Portuguese to enable them to find her as soon as possible. Or he's saying what the McCanns want to hear. That may be the easiest public position for Scotland Yard to take at the moment - appear to be publicly supportive of the McCanns, while behind the scenes working with the Portuguese to find evidence that will enable them to reopen the case.

At any rate, I wouldn't be too pessimistic for now.

Quite.
He has to, and be seen to, follow up all the possibilities, however remote and stupid they may appear to everyone else, of her being alive and being kept in the McCann and C-R approved "Hellish Lair", or the also McCann and C-R approved "being treated like a Princess, and giving her tuppenceworth". (I really could vomit !)
He must look for her alive.
Only when every avenue of enquiry for a live Madeleine has been exhausted can he officially turn the enquiry round to look seriously at the other possibility.
That is what he has to tell the public.
And he did exactly what I would have expected him to do.
He did not ask to be interviewed on TV. He did not want to. He was trapped, but dealt with it very professionally, saying almost nothing.
He wants to be left alone, away from the prying eyes of TM and C-R, and get on with his job, which as he clearly said is to "solve" the "enduring mystery" of the "disappearance" of Madeleine Beth McCann.

He has three separate teams, each lead by the DI. How would you divide up the work ?

PeterMac, Andy Redwood said "It was a criminal act by a stranger." Hardly impartial, how could he U turn on that statement?

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I too would have expected him to be impartial. He only need state he was following certain lines of enquiry, and was looking at all possibilites, and was hopeful they could solve the case. He could have said they had promising leads and was not at liberty to say what they were etc., etc. That would have been enough.

[rainbow-fairy]

It strikes me that Scotland Yard are in a very difficult position with regard to this case. They have no authority to reopen it, and can't arrest the McCanns - unless it was for the fund, if fraud could be proved. So what are they to do? They can't openly say they suspect the McCanns right now, as that would cause the spin machine to go into overdrive, and could even lead to pre-emptive action on the part of the McCanns to protect themselves. I don't suppose that when the police make people prime suspects they give them too many clues about it. Redwood is an experienced detective and he must know that Maddie being alive, and living with her abductor is statistically the least likely scenario. So if he has really said this, he must have access to some extraordinary piece of evidence. In which case he would surely have to give it to the Portuguese to enable them to find her as soon as possible. Or he's saying what the McCanns want to hear. That may be the easiest public position for Scotland Yard to take at the moment - appear to be publicly supportive of the McCanns, while behind the scenes working with the Portuguese to find evidence that will enable them to reopen the case.

At any rate, I wouldn't be too pessimistic for now.

Quite.
He has to, and be seen to, follow up all the possibilities, however remote and stupid they may appear to everyone else, of her being alive and being kept in the McCann and C-R approved "Hellish Lair", or the also McCann and C-R approved "being treated like a Princess, and giving her tuppenceworth". (I really could vomit !)
He must look for her alive.
Only when every avenue of enquiry for a live Madeleine has been exhausted can he officially turn the enquiry round to look seriously at the other possibility.
That is what he has to tell the public.
And he did exactly what I would have expected him to do.
He did not ask to be interviewed on TV. He did not want to. He was trapped, but dealt with it very professionally, saying almost nothing.
He wants to be left alone, away from the prying eyes of TM and C-R, and get on with his job, which as he clearly said is to "solve" the "enduring mystery" of the "disappearance" of Madeleine Beth McCann.

He has three separate teams, each lead by the DI. How would you divide up the work ?

PeterMac, Andy Redwood said "It was a criminal act by a stranger." Hardly impartial, how could he U turn on that statement?

He could U-turn on it by stating "well, at that point we were only 25% the way through the files, it became apparent we were wrong' etc...
FWIW, I agree with puzzled and PeterMac.
This could be a 'don't frighten the horses, lull them into false sense of security' job.
I actually think the programme was less biased, and more damning to the McCanns than it would be?
The interim report of death and concealment has been kept quiet until now.
There is NO WAY, if there is a will to get justice for Maddie, that SY can be seen to be focussing on the T9 just yet. They will need every bit of evidence they can find and then some to get a conviction.
No way could they, nor should they, show their hand just yet.

[russiandoll]

perhaps true to the legal definition of stranger abduction ?
He is satisfied that Madeleine was taken in a criminal act, by a person either unknown or with whom she was slightly acquainted.
To have concluded that she was taken as per the parents story in the face of evidence we have seen, after only completing a quarter of the work, means he is privy to some overwhelmingly convincing piece of evidence and the remaining 3/4 of the work should not take as long as we would expect after 1 year spent on 25%?

I am puzzled by the apparent school uniform in the photo released. I know starting school was something Maddie was on the verge of doing, and she is wearing a sweatshirt which looks like part of a school uniform.
If SY think Maddie could be living a normal life under disguise, why did they not issue variations of that photo, as the easiest way to disguise her would be the hair [ I also think she would be closer to a light brown by now]. Surely an abductor would have considered cutting and dyeing her hair?

[jd]

Unless I am missing something, I do not understand that if there are 195 new leads, then instead of behaving like spoilt children by making spoof documentaries and supported newspaper articles putting down the PJ reputation and bleating on about them to reopen the case.....Why doesn't AR go to Portugal with all the 195 new leads he has for a private meeting with the PJ and whoever, and meet them in a professional manner in order to convince them to reopen the case. This is a very serious crime that should be handled professionally, not through Panorama, Sun and Daily Mail newspaper articles

And why isn't the public donated fund money being used to follow up on these 195 leads?

[russiandoll]

Redwood will be taking a massive risk with his career and the reputation of the Met, which will be irredeemable if it is a case of corruption in an investigation like this. The police perverting the course of justice with regard to the disappearance of a vulnerable British citizen? The force would never come back from that.

[jd]

Whatever about reputations etc, if SY are serious in their belief of 195 new leads and Maddie may be alive, then you behave only in one manner and this is professionally.There is a life at stake here. You don't waffle through the media, you go to Portugal and meet the PJ in private and professionally. Imagine being in this situation being held captive and your parents, police of the UK, are making documentaries and spouting through newspapers instead of going straight to Portugal to follow up any of the leads they have...shameful

[david_uk]

Id like to think the optimists are correct, but I just cant. Look, This programme rubbished the PJ , Amaral and any evidence, it was an attack on the PJ theories that the parents are involved, yes. Now if AR`s team and the Porto are really working together! Would he really agree to appear in this programme? He is part of a propaganda piece that is an insult to the Portuguese authorities and initial investigation. This all appears to be the UK government rubbishing any evidence against the McCanns and do as much damage to the credibility of the initial investigation as possible, to a point where even if it was opened, nothing would ever be substantial enough to get to court! Beside a miracle confession. I think the SY are only appearing to partner with PJ/Porto so they can get access to missing files , the more info they have the more they prepare to damage it. Yes the McCann’s will always be suspect, but why would the UK/SY/Government care as long as whatever secret needs to be kept is kept that way, and the Portuguese will just leave it shelved forever, unless the McCann’s Cooperate, which isn’t likely to happen. Stalemate. We know a political force stepped in at that last minute once the Mccanns where made arguidos, we just dont know why.

[jd]

. We know a political force stepped in at that last minute once the Mccanns where made arguidos, we just dont know why.

And that political force went straight to LPP for a personal visit soon as the mccanns were made arguidos in Sept 2007

[Spaniel]

Whatever about reputations etc, if SY are serious in their belief of 195 new leads and Maddie may be alive, then you behave only in one manner and this is professionally.There is a life at stake here. You don't waffle through the media, you go to Portugal and meet the PJ in private and professionally. Imagine being in this situation being held captive and your parents, police of the UK, are making documentaries and spouting through newspapers instead of going straight to Portugal to follow up any of the leads they have...shameful

Totally agree, and why say a quarter into the review that they have 195 leads when the 196th might be the one that solves it.

Just because a camera is switched on, doesn't mean you have to spout. He should be more professional than to be trapped. Then to say he's honoured, oh honestly!! The only hope in all this is that the Portuguese maintain their integrity in not toeing the NSY line. Stand firm Portugal.

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Re: Madeleine McCann could be living with abductor

01catherine le 26/04/2012 à 17h43

195 !Et que font ces anglais ? ils le révèlent aux journalistes. Bravo. Réfléchissons, on pense qu'une petite fille disparue est vivante quelque part, on a 195 pistes, et qu'est ce qu'on fait, on fait une déclaration à la presse. Ca ressemble plutôt à un coup de pub, à prétendre qu'on travaille.


and what do the English do? They tell journalists. Well done. Let's think.... you believe a missing little girl is alive somewhere, you have 195 leads, and what do you do.....you make a statement to the press. That looks more like PR, a pretence of working.

02isa le 26/04/2012 à 17h39

on attend quoi ?avec autant de pistes de la part des anglais, on se demande comment ils ne l´ont pas encore retrouvée, cette enfant. 5 ans, c´est bien long. Malheureusement dans le monde il y a tellement de petites Maddie disparues, le grand bonheur serait de les retrouver tous ces enfants disparus, mais il faudrait un miracle. Seulement quand je repense á cette affaire des anglais, ils doivent avoir une culture bien différente de la notre car ils ont quand meme bien laissé Maddie et deux jumeaux bébés dans une chambre d´hotel sans aucune surveillance d´adulte sur place, ça me tord les tripes. Bonne chance en esperant un jour de bonnes nouvelles.

what are you waiting for? with the English having so many leads, you have to ask why they have not already found this child. 5 years is a long time. Sadly there are so many little vanished Maddies in the world; it would be a great joy to find all these missing children, but it would take a miracle. It tears me apart whenever I think of this English case, I think they must have a very different culture to ours, leaving Maddie and twin babies in a hotel room without any adult supervision. Good luck and here's hoping for good news one day.


03Antoine le 26/04/2012 à 16h48

195 Nouvelles pistes ??? Et ca après 5 ans de recherches, mais dites voir mes chers britanniques BRAVO , grand bravo et félicitations pour votre brillant travail messieurs, mais alors avec tout c’est outillage vous irez la trouver quand , pour la rendre à ces parents désespérés ??? !! Vous devez penser que le monde entier est en train de dormir et balancez la poucette pour qu’il ne se réveille pas !!! La police portugaise sait bien mieux que vous, le déroulement de cette histoire.

Fresh leads??? That after 5 years of investigation, bravo my dear Brits, well done, very well done and congratulations on your brilliant work, but then, when are you going to find her with all this work, to return her to her desperate parents? You must think that the whole world is asleep and you are rocking the pram so we dont wake up !!! The Portuguese police know what's going on in this story better than you

quickly translated , the sarcasm is plain to see....

[russiandoll]

Whatever about reputations etc, if SY are serious in their belief of 195 new leads and Maddie may be alive, then you behave only in one manner and this is professionally.There is a life at stake here. You don't waffle through the media, you go to Portugal and meet the PJ in private and professionally. Imagine being in this situation being held captive and your parents, police of the UK, are making documentaries and spouting through newspapers instead of going straight to Portugal to follow up any of the leads they have...shameful

I agree with you totally. I was suggesting that there may well be a hell of a lot going on behind the scenes. Think of a swan gliding on water. It would be a disgrace if PR was the name of the game. It goes against every policy and procedure in a missing child case where the central issue is the safety of the child.

I also think if the parents have faith in SY they should be giving them the fund money to assist them and the Portuguese if they get involved again.

Spaniel... "Then to say he's honoured.."
he said it was a privilege, not the same as an honour at all ! and he did not say a privilege to be assisting K and G as some have misquoted. He referred to them as Mr and Mrs McCann, not Kate and Gerry thankfully. He said privileged to be involved in the case , and he is privileged...he was chosen to lead the review.