Re: Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012

by Ribisl 25.04.12 12:51

BBC website

Having analysed the evidence, the Met said it is possible Madeleine is alive, and they believe she was abducted.

For the Met said read the TM said

I am becoming less and less optimistic about the whole 'review'. Of course it's possible she is alive because nobody has so far discovered her body. But unless they have uncovered some new evidence PJ didn't have, how can they possibly give more credence to abduction? roll

by Guest 25.04.12 12:52

Question:

If the McCanns had a Liason Officer a year ago, and are being briefed and updated, and have collaborated with the new age progression picture of Madeleine aged 9, is this picture now on the front of the new book to help people find Madeleine

by Woofer 25.04.12 12:52

If this does turn out to be a whitewash, I`m sure there will be hundred of people with inside information coming out of the woodwork - people aren`t going to let this lie.

by david_uk 25.04.12 12:55

just watched that clip with Redwood! sorry but hes got his agenda imo. Clear this up, clear the british parents and push this agenda on the PJ , they will cave like last time and it will be left as Mccanns clean , shes abducted and we continue the search. No mention of analysing the Dog evidence and the strong idications they gave? I dont imagine the dogs will be shown or talked about tonight. Very very sad affair indee, not to mention it reeks!, if they really had strong evidence she is alive then what the hell are they doing attending interviews, get on with it and find her!.

by david_uk 25.04.12 12:56

big boost for the McFund thats for sure!.

by **PeterMac** 25.04.12 12:57

tiny wrote:WHITEWASH

Or possibly
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by Guest 25.04.12 12:57

There seems to be some backtracking, originally we were told they were not going to comment, and that we would not hear the outcome of this review, so what has changed to make them come out and say all this now.

by **HiDeHo** 25.04.12 13:00

Being reported widely in Toronto newspapers, tv and radio...

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“Our drive on both scenarios is of equal measure,” he said.

by Cristobell 25.04.12 13:01

candyfloss wrote:
Cristobell wrote:Good heavens, she's alive! Everyone look for the new 'Madeleine' - I expect this will be a tremendous boost for the Fund.

Is it possible that anyone who has ever been to Portugal has not been interviewed? Even the lost tribes of the Serengeti know who Madeleine is, but seems the Met are now spreading the word and the posters (wonder if they have to pay £2.99 plus p&p) and are SY's finest now wearing good quality wristbands?

I look forward to seeing locktight evidence that the dogs were wrong.

It's unbelievable isn't it. If as Redwood says they were looking for a live madeleine or sadly a dead one and based on the former he has released this picture, then why oh why wait another whole year to do it. Why waste so much time if that was the remit, it is all so totally incomprensible. And why not the appeal for witnesses right at the start to help them, why again a full year later.

Bizarre Candyfloss. It has taken 37 officers a year to investigate a quarter of the evidence, which means of course, this will continue for another 3 years or so. What are doing? Are they following up all the sightings? Including the hoaxes, the nutcases and Clarence Mitchell?

by russiandoll 25.04.12 13:01

david_uk wrote:just watched that clip with Redwood! sorry but hes got his agenda imo. Clear this up, clear the british parents and push this agenda on the PJ , they will cave like last time and it will be left as Mccanns clean , shes abducted and we continue the search. No mention of analysing the Dog evidence and the strong idications they gave? I dont imagine the dogs will be shown or talked about tonight. Very very sad affair indee, not to mention it reeks!, if they really had strong evidence she is alive then what the hell are they doing attending interviews, get on with it and find her!.

video clip stopping and starting for me, cant watch it. brunts tweet bizarre, makes no sense.evidence she may be alive has to mean they know where she is surely? and they would just not be on this programme saying they think they can solve it.they would say they can find her and go and try to...
The police have no business discussing conclusions and dismissing speculation if only a quarter way through their work.
Maybe due to pressure from above he wants the PJ to take charge and get on with what they could not last time.and passes them the evidence they need to re open.
If this case is not investigated thoroughly and the issues with dogs and discrepancies and the bloody phone records sorted I will be so depressed...... I just want the truth of what happened to Maddie.

by Guest 25.04.12 13:02

HiDeHo wrote:Being reported widely in Toronto newspapers, tv and radio...

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“Our drive on both scenarios is of equal measure,” he said.

Yes, not being reported quite like that here though.

by russiandoll 25.04.12 13:03

candyfloss wrote:There seems to be some backtracking, originally we were told they were not going to comment, and that we would not hear the outcome of this review, so what has changed to make them come out and say all this now.

some selective leaking going on....I wonder why too.

by Guest 25.04.12 13:04

Cristobell wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
Cristobell wrote:Good heavens, she's alive! Everyone look for the new 'Madeleine' - I expect this will be a tremendous boost for the Fund.

Is it possible that anyone who has ever been to Portugal has not been interviewed? Even the lost tribes of the Serengeti know who Madeleine is, but seems the Met are now spreading the word and the posters (wonder if they have to pay £2.99 plus p&p) and are SY's finest now wearing good quality wristbands?

I look forward to seeing locktight evidence that the dogs were wrong.

It's unbelievable isn't it. If as Redwood says they were looking for a live madeleine or sadly a dead one and based on the former he has released this picture, then why oh why wait another whole year to do it. Why waste so much time if that was the remit, it is all so totally incomprensible. And why not the appeal for witnesses right at the start to help them, why again a full year later.

Bizarre Candyfloss. It has taken 37 officers a year to investigate a quarter of the evidence, which means of course, this will continue for another 3 years or so. What are doing? Are they following up all the sightings? Including the hoaxes, the nutcases and Clarence Mitchell?

I think they are hoping Portugal will re-open the case and dump it on them. big grin

by Guest 25.04.12 13:08

What a corker from Esther Addley senior newswriter at the Guardian..............

esther addley‏@estheraddleyReply

Panorama tonight will report Cameron urged Met to reopen #McCann investigation after pressure from #NewsInternational

by Guest 25.04.12 13:11

esther addley‏@estheraddleyReply

Panorama tonight will report Cameron urged Met to reopen #McCann investigation after pressure from #NewsInternational

Well, well and this massive news today about the McCanns comes out today the day Murdoch senior is giving evidence at Leveson. Hmmmmm

by russiandoll 25.04.12 13:14

this wording from the Canadian article is not the same as our Guardian worded it..

Redwood said forensic evidence of the sequence of events around her disappearance shows there are moments when she could have been snatched by criminals but said he had an “open mind” on who could have abducted her. a possibility.... abduction

not he beleives she was abducted by a stranger...[b] [as per the Guardian]
sp what did he say exactly? British press has an agenda in the way it reports and in this case it is very us against them. Brit v Portuguese police. I have not seen any reporting from the quality press in UK that does not disrespect the police force Portugal re this case.

by russiandoll 25.04.12 13:17

really? she would not publish this without evidence would she? That has opened up a can of worms........

by Guest 25.04.12 13:22

Can of worms is opening and the plot thickens from asst edititor Ian Burrell of the Independant.................

ian burrell‏@iburrell

Within 24hrs of Sun p1 McCann letter, Cameron approved inquiry - Panorama's No10 sources saying he "acted as a parent". Coulson was in post

1h ian burrell‏@iburrell

The McCann inquiry followed p1 in The Sun with letter to Cameron from McCann parents. So more pressure on Govt over Murdoch relations

1h ian burrell‏@iburrell

Panorama says News Int lobbying of Cameron over McCann inquiry began "before the worst excesses of phone hacking were known"

ian burrell‏@iburrellReply

Panorama tonight to claim that News International pressured David Cameron into new Maddy McCann inquiry, quoting No10 insiders

1h ian burrell‏@iburrell

by sherlock 25.04.12 13:28

candyfloss wrote:
I think they are hoping Portugal will re-open the case and dump it on them. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I agree, my reading of events if you push away all the "spin", "hype" and lazy reporting of today is that what TM have feared, dreaded and had no desire to happen is just about to - the case is going to be reopened and all those questions they've done so well to avoid and side step are going to re-surface and be asked of them again.

by Woofer 25.04.12 13:30

Ribisl wrote:BBC website
Having analysed the evidence, the Met said it is possible Madeleine is alive, and they believe she was abducted.

Yes, but ........... have they analysed ALL the evidence - I doubt it. Have they looked at the Mcs bank account, credit card details, phone calls, medical records and any other relevant records. If they haven`t, they can hardly say they`ve analysed all the evidence.

by Woofer 25.04.12 13:33

sherlock wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
I think they are hoping Portugal will re-open the case and dump it on them. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I agree, my reading of events if you push away all the "spin", "hype" and lazy reporting of today is that what TM have feared, dreaded and had no desire to happen is just about to - the case is going to be reopened and all those questions they've done so well to avoid and side step are going to re-surface and be asked of them again.

Can they be re-questioned? They just have to say "Nah, don`t want to".

by Guest 25.04.12 13:35

Woofer wrote:
Ribisl wrote:BBC website
Having analysed the evidence, the Met said it is possible Madeleine is alive, and they believe she was abducted.

Yes, but ........... have they analysed ALL the evidence - I doubt it. Have they looked at the Mcs bank account, credit card details, phone calls, medical records and any other relevant records. If they haven`t, they can hardly say they`ve analysed all the evidence.

No, Redwood says in the interview they are only a quarter of the way through, so still 75% to go! So how they can be giving statements at this early stage is rather strange. They say they have evidence she may be alive, how can that be, they either know she is or they don't.

by Woofer 25.04.12 13:45

candyfloss wrote:
Woofer wrote:
Ribisl wrote:BBC website
Having analysed the evidence, the Met said it is possible Madeleine is alive, and they believe she was abducted.

Yes, but ........... have they analysed ALL the evidence - I doubt it. Have they looked at the Mcs bank account, credit card details, phone calls, medical records and any other relevant records. If they haven`t, they can hardly say they`ve analysed all the evidence.

No, Redwood says in the interview they are only a quarter of the way through, so still 75% to go! So how they can be giving statements at this early stage is rather strange. They say they have evidence she may be alive, how can that be, they either know she is or they don't.

Yes, it is strange and not looking good. It`s plain to see they are making statements without having ALL the evidence. Probably its only the PJ (with a judge`s warrant) that can even apply for medical records, bank details etc., so they certainly have not got all the evidence or all the pieces of the jigsaw and should not be saying so.

by aiyoyo 25.04.12 13:46

Ribisl wrote:BBC website
Having analysed the evidence, the Met said it is possible Madeleine is alive, and they believe she was abducted.

For the Met said read the TM said

I am becoming less and less optimistic about the whole 'review'. Of course it's possible she is alive because nobody has so far discovered her body. But unless they have uncovered some new evidence PJ didn't have, how can they possibly give more credence to abduction?

Why is it breaking News ? What news is new? Have the UK side ever said she is dead?

by Guest 25.04.12 13:51

aiyoyo wrote:
Ribisl wrote:BBC website
Having analysed the evidence, the Met said it is possible Madeleine is alive, and they believe she was abducted.

For the Met said read the TM said

I am becoming less and less optimistic about the whole 'review'. Of course it's possible she is alive because nobody has so far discovered her body. But unless they have uncovered some new evidence PJ didn't have, how can they possibly give more credence to abduction?

Why is it breaking News ? What news is new? Have the UK side ever said she is dead?

That is an excellent point aiyoyo. Suppose it is because SY have said the "could" or "may be" be alive.

by Guest 25.04.12 14:02

From the Independant.........

Mr Redwood said "evidence that she is alive stems from the forensic view of the timeline" that there was the opportunity for her to be taken.

Investigations show "there do appear to be gaps", he added.

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what

What in that 4/5 minutes?? So this is the evidence she could still be alive?? Doh.

by sammyc 25.04.12 14:02

Makes you wonder if this Press release by SY is a way of seeing how the McCanns, their allies, spokesman et al react to it. Bet the Tapas crew are feeling the stress, and as Redwood said SY are only a quarter of the way through. It's causing a helluva lot of frenzy and activity - what's it going to be like further down the review? Cans of worms and cats amongst the pigeons!

by aiyoyo 25.04.12 14:02

PeterMac wrote:
tiny wrote:WHITEWASH
Or possibly
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Yeap, definitely preparing the ground, because he hasn't said anything new that people don't already know.
He's luring them back to PT to do the reconstruction?

He said only 25% of the files is covered with every page scrutinized and analyzed meaning 75% left to go, yet he's already saying "sadly she could be dead", and on the same breath also said "there are 195 possible leads and she could be alive".

In effect he hasn't told people anything at all, if not alive means dead, what else is left? half dead and half alive?

If this is only 1st quarterly report, what will he say by the 4th quarter? Dogs evidence should be in the 2nd quarter.

by EJW 25.04.12 14:07

I have just watched Andy Redwood talking on ITV news and it seems they are still going with the abduction theory. How is this the "best opportunity to solve the mystery because it was the first time information from all sources is being considered" if SY are ignoring the findings of the PJ and still going along with the abduction theory!! The mind boggles it really does. I was hopeful that this would be a thorough, unbiased review and not a whitewash. I am very disappointed.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by sweetex 25.04.12 14:08

aiyoyo wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
tiny wrote:WHITEWASH
Or possibly
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Yeap, definitely preparing the ground, because he hasn't said anything new that people don't already know.
He's luring them back to PT to do the reconstruction?

He said only 25% of the files is covered with every page scrutinized and analyzed meaning 75% left to go, yet he's already saying "sadly she could be dead", and on the same breath also said "there are 195 possible leads and she could be alive".

In effect he hasn't told people anything at all, if not alive means dead, what else is left? half dead and half alive?

If this is only 1st quarterly report, what will he say by the 4th quarter? Dogs evidence should be in the 2nd quarter.

I agree! Sad to say i dont trust SY anymore..... BUT it could all be a smokescreen to have the case re-opened? and THAT Is something the McCanns would not want.

Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012