Re: Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012

by Guest 25.04.12 16:12

Wednesday, 25 April 2012

That Doggone Maddie McCann Review...

Detectives from the Metropolitan Police Force have today released a statement via the officer in charge, DCI Andy Redwood about the current progress of the investigative review into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The team, consisting of 30 odd officers have approached the investigation with an open mind and are working on two possibilities - one that Madeleine is alive and secondly that she is sadly dead. Work of the team involves close collaboration with a senior investigating officer from the Policia Judiciara and the object is to bring closure to the case, starting with the reopening of the investigation in Portugal.

In accordance with the former line of enquiry, the Met have released an age progressed picture of what Madeleine might look like if she was nine years old...

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Please remember there are lots of little girls worldwide who look very similar to this idea of a girl and it would be a very bad idea to accost or grab any child in public. Many lives have been disrupted by wrongful accusations in the past 5 years. Children and parents have been extremely traumatised and in one Moroccan episode, a father pitifully thrust his daughter's birth certificate into the faces of parasitic news crews. Another child grappled with was a boy. So... please contact the local police in the first instance and watch from afar if you are crazy enough to think that the child in front of you may be a nine year old Madeleline. Especially if she's really only five, six or seven years old.

Maybe one day some crackpot will get it right and it will be Madeleline. However after reading and watching the cadaver dogs involved in the McCann case, I have very serious doubts that this will ever happen. Amongst the many niggles that I still have, I wonder why the team running Operation Grange seem to have overlooked the fact that a British cadaver dog alerted to the scent of death in apartment 5a, in the hire car, on Kate McCann's clothing, on Sean's t-shirt and Madeleine's apparent favourite cuddly toy, Cuddlecat. All subject to strict test conditions where several cars and items were analysed. The dogs alerted only to McCann related items, nothing else.

Are the Met dismissing their own £500 a day cadaver dogs? If so, what about all the other cases where these dogs have alerted to the scent of death. Such as the Suzanne Pilley and Kate Prout murder cases. Both perpetrators of these heinous murders were convicted without a body being discovered and are thankfully behind bars.

DCI Redwood says the team are only one quarter of the way through the extensive pile of information pooled by them. Perhaps they just haven't reached the dog chapter yet...

And if they can perhaps explain away the scent of death then I may come around. In the meantime... here's hoping Scotland Yard can encourage something the parents have never shown an interest in... the reopening of the case in Portugal.

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by russiandoll 25.04.12 16:17

satisifed this is a criminal act. taken from her apartment by a stranger.well maybe a stranger to Madeleine but not necessarily a stranger to some or any of the group of adults in their party.

what did Gerry say about confusion being a good thing? Maybe AR is taking a leaf from his book....conflicting statements that make no sense.
There is no way he can conclude anything after 25% of the review done. And if there is evidence she is alive well thats a huige jump from abducted...they must know something. But they are only part way through their investigations. Bizarre.
He should not though be speaking of anything imo while it is in progress apart from basic info about procedure.

Why has the photo been released now? This is hugely important re- recognition and why scheduled for the anniversary? An updated photo could have been produced as soon SY got involved, as could this appeal.

by russiandoll 25.04.12 16:20

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:dewi lennard ‏ @kikoratton Reply Retweet Favorite · Open

Relax. I told DCI Redwood of #ScotlandYard yest of the involvement of #McCann s, #RobertNaylor, Murat, Pagarete and Rider. He can't foul up

I thought this info was passed over a while ago. Any reply I wonder and regardless will they take any notice?

by Guest 25.04.12 16:25

russiandoll wrote: satisifed this is a criminal act. taken from her apartment by a stranger.well maybe a stranger to Madeleine but not necessarily a stranger to some or any of the group of adults in their party.

what did Gerry say about confusion being a good thing? Maybe AR is taking a leaf from his book....conflicting statements that make no sense.
There is no way he can conclude anything after 25% of the review done. And if there is evidence she is alive well thats a huige jump from abducted...they must know something. But they are only part way through their investigations. Bizarre.
He should not though be speaking of anything imo while it is in progress apart from basic info about procedure.

Why has the photo been released now? This is hugely important re- recognition and why scheduled for the anniversary? An updated photo could have been produced as soon SY got involved, as could this appeal.

Yes. I asked this question earlier, and why asking for witnesses now. Why not at be beginning. Why just before the book release and Tony's trial.

Wonder what the PJ make of all this, and Mr Amaral. What about Mark Harrison and Lee Rainbow. And the ambassador. Plus this statement from Leics police from KM's book......

Assistant Chief Constable for Leicestershire police gave this written statement: (in Kate’s words...page 316 of her book): “While one or both of them may be innocent there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.”

by tuom 25.04.12 16:33

[quote="candyfloss"]Wednesday, 25 April 2012

DCI Redwood says the team are only one quarter of the way through the extensive pile of information pooled by them. Perhaps they just haven't reached the dog chapter yet...

Perhaps the Panorama programme should be Part 1 of 4 ?

by Guest 25.04.12 16:37

Ribisl wrote:Why am I getting this sinking feeling...? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

You are not the only one. I am really baffled by all this, and I feel a huge disappointment coming on..

But remember, it really is not over till it's over: and that means: real closure:

- a confession of who-ever took Madeleine and hid her (living or not) or at least:

- remains of poor Madeleine found

anything else is not closure. It is only stating the obvious: that we don't know what happened and that she would look different now at age 9, and she is either dead or alive, and that her parents are involved, or not. We new that in may 2007. Until there is a full reconstruction and re-interviewing of the parents and their friends, and a re-evaluation of the most promising evidence (the dog's findings and DNA samples) nothing is closed.

by Guest 25.04.12 16:39

UPDATED INTERVIEW

ITV have re-done the interview with Clarence, now longer, he must have been reading the comments about him being so miserable. big grin

Note the comment "Prove it"

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by Lady-Heather 25.04.12 16:40

Juulcy wrote:
Ribisl wrote:Why am I getting this sinking feeling...? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

You are not the only one. I am really baffled by all this, and I feel a huge disappointment coming on..

But remember, it really is not over till it's over: and that means: real closure:

- a confession of who-ever took Madeleine and hid her (living or not) or at least:

- remains of poor Madeleine found

anything else is not closure. It is only stating the obvious: that we don't know what happened and that she would look different now at age 9, and she is either dead or alive, and that her parents are involved, or not. We new that in may 2007. Until there is a full reconstruction and re-interviewing of the parents and their friends, and a re-evaluation of the most promising evidence (the dog's findings and DNA samples) nothing is closed.

Purely my personal take on this. Firstly, my old dad used to tell me "don't believe everything you read in the newspapers, or see on the tv". I now know that he's 100% correct, having spent 20+ years studying topics including the media. Infact, in my opinion, even the BBC can't be trusted to provide accurate, unbiased reporting - their primary reason for existence is entertainment, and the Madeleine Mccann story rates high in public interest terms. Just look at the volume of comments the show attracted prior to the comments section being switched off.

We know from experience on here that people's quotes and statements can be misrepresented and taken out of context to fit with the direction that the show (and that's all Panorama is, a television show) wants to affect public opinion, or reflect the overall beliefs and values of their audience. Even if it appears that the show hints towards a SY 'whitewash', remember it's just a show, made to attract viewers and does not necessarily represent the facts or predict the eventual outcome of the case.

Actually, I don't think I'll bother watching it. I'll only get upset and throw shoes at the tv, which alarms the children.

by **Jill Havern** 25.04.12 16:46

candyfloss wrote:ITV have re-done the interview with Clarence, now longer, he must have been reading the comments about him being so miserable.

Note the comment "Prove it"

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Why is Clarrie looking down at the floor when he's talking?

by **Jill Havern** 25.04.12 16:49

Lady-Heather wrote:Purely my personal take on this. Firstly, my old dad used to tell me "don't believe everything you read in the newspapers, or see on the tv". I now know that he's 100% correct, having spent 20+ years studying topics including the media. Infact, in my opinion, even the BBC can't be trusted to provide accurate, unbiased reporting - their primary reason for existence is entertainment, and the Madeleine Mccann story rates high in public interest terms. Just look at the volume of comments the show attracted prior to the comments section being switched off.

But you would think a police officer would tell the truth especially on national tv. sad

by **HiDeHo** 25.04.12 17:00

Call me naive but I still feel there is a reason for this.

PJ, if I am correct, approved of this....Police have to be unbiased....Is it possible this is to 'prove' they have been 'fair' in reporting 'both sides' (well the one that is important for libel reasons) and the plans are to pass it back to PJ who can reopen the case and ultimately have a 'fair' trial?

BTW...I can't believe the views on my videos...approx 10,000 views in the last week (one ninth of total views in a year!) a couple of thousand just in the last couple of days!

by Lady-Heather 25.04.12 17:02

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:
Lady-Heather wrote:Purely my personal take on this. Firstly, my old dad used to tell me "don't believe everything you read in the newspapers, or see on the tv". I now know that he's 100% correct, having spent 20+ years studying topics including the media. Infact, in my opinion, even the BBC can't be trusted to provide accurate, unbiased reporting - their primary reason for existence is entertainment, and the Madeleine Mccann story rates high in public interest terms. Just look at the volume of comments the show attracted prior to the comments section being switched off.

But you would think a police officer would tell the truth especially on national tv. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I would expect it, absolutely. I think the key will lay with the language he uses, whether it's committal (i.e.' this force believes Madeleine was abducted by persons not known by Madeleine or her family or friends, with intent to harm') or vague as in 'Madeleine was taken by persons not known to her'. This language does not clarify how she was 'taken', or whether the 'persons' were known to the parents, or other elements of the group. There's also the possibility that only the quotes by Redwood which 'fit' with the programme's agenda will be broadcast.

by russiandoll 25.04.12 17:04

Why would a senior detective go on tv where he can be seen all over the world, alerting the possible abductor that he is on to him or her? The possibly alive child would be moved, wouldn't she?

I am getting a feeling there are tactics behind this, it is part of a strategy. The appeal would have been made before now if it was thought necessary, not to coincide with the almost year since the go ahead for a review, and that photo would have been released a whole lot sooner, police who think a child might be alive would get an up to date photo in public as soon as they believed that to be a real possibility, it beggars belief that they coincidentally have decided this after one very neat year....

by Guest 25.04.12 17:05

So SY have uncovered these 195 potential leads, that MM might still be alive, whatever they are, hope not all sightings, and are now asking for the case to be re-opened by the PJ who came to a different conclusion and expect them to spend millions trying to investigate? And all only after going through 25% of the files. Surely there might be something pointing in other directions in the other 75%, so how on earth can they be giving interviews with such conclusions. Something has happened to make BBC alter the Panorama programming and for SY to suddenly give interviews, when at the beginning they said they were not making any comment throughout the review, and we wouldn't even know the outcome.

by Guest 25.04.12 17:07

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This link remind us that the Portuguese police said that the Mccanns were only " victims and witnesses" not long before they were made arguidos.

Panorama tonight is a television programme. That`s all it is. Probably scheduled to compete with the Champions League.......

by russiandoll 25.04.12 17:08

But you would think a police officer would tell the truth especially on national tv.

I would expect it, absolutely. I think the key will lay with the language he uses, whether it's committal (i.e.' this force believes Madeleine was abducted by persons not known by Madeleine or her family or friends, with intent to harm') or vague as in 'Madeleine was taken by persons not known to her'. This language does not clarify how she was 'taken', or whether the 'persons' were known to the parents, or other elements of the group

agree ! I said this before, his language is ambiguous and I believe deliberately so. This is Potrtugal's case as he has stressed, and they can re open it, not SY. He is prepping the ground for a reopening imo.

by Ribisl 25.04.12 17:09

I too am thinking there must be a cunning plan by SY behind all this media hype, yet I just can't see what it might be flag

by **HiDeHo** 25.04.12 17:11

Ribisl wrote:I too am thinking there must be a cunning plan by SY behind all this media hype, yet I just can't see what it might be [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Does anyone play chess?

by russiandoll 25.04.12 17:16

maybe Redwood is a poker player and has an ace up his sleeve. There is something very strange going on.

by **tigger** 25.04.12 17:16

HiDeHo wrote:
Ribisl wrote:I too am thinking there must be a cunning plan by SY behind all this media hype, yet I just can't see what it might be [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Does anyone play chess?

How is 'Madeleine is alive' and 195 leads to follow compatible with bringing 'closure to the family' or closure of any kind?

Great news HideHo, all those views of your videos. Something must be stirring - roses

by russiandoll 25.04.12 17:23

I have not seen a clip or read a quote of Redwood saying there is evidence that she might be alive. This is not the same as no evidence that she is dead......and I would expect the police to be out where they think she is looking for her and arresting her abductor. All behind the scenes work. Not doing media interviews. It is a massive hike from evidence abducted by a stranger to thnking she is alive, especially given the statistics.

by Ribisl 25.04.12 17:24

HiDeHo wrote:
Ribisl wrote:I too am thinking there must be a cunning plan by SY behind all this media hype, yet I just can't see what it might be [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Does anyone play chess?

Queen's Gambit?

by Guest 25.04.12 17:29

So we have had 2 age progression pictures in the last week, the latest below, and the one from the Express themselves.....

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So who do we look for? They are not very alike imo. A bit confusing releasing two in a week.

by Zozo 25.04.12 17:29

This doesn't look good at all!!
Slowly slowly the whitewash is confirming itself

Now the SY looks like is just preparing the public through the media what will be the outcome soon, just to confirm that Maddie was abducted and she is somewhere there.

I think Pat was right, sometimes ago when she was arguing with Tigger(or Aiyoyo i don't remember) doubting the genuine of this SY reviews. Discussion was the time Pat was visiting PDL.

she was arguing that how come the SY until that time didn't interviewed the T9 ? But Tigger was seeing things differently and of course having some trust in the review.

While SY start making allegation toward the abduction theory, I'm wondering, right now, did their really believe that the interview statements of the t9 done in 2007 are genuine?

What will be the next target for the Mcanns? obvisously is to crash Amaral...

by **tigger** 25.04.12 17:31

Ribisl wrote:
HiDeHo wrote:
Ribisl wrote:I too am thinking there must be a cunning plan by SY behind all this media hype, yet I just can't see what it might be [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Does anyone play chess?
Queen's Gambit?

Shepherd's check? (Don't know if it's the same term in English)

Are they burying bad news?

Programma was put forward to today.
Murdoch - BSkyB - Cameron - Rebecca wiped off the front pages this afternoon

by russiandoll 25.04.12 17:33

The latest British one is very believable, providing Maddie's abductor has been feeding her well and taking care of her health. Because she looks a fit and healthy well-nourished 9 year old.

by russiandoll 25.04.12 17:36

Am interested to hear if and why Cameron was pressured by a media mogul, into pushing for SY to get involved. That will stir up a good old hornets' nest. Linking the McCanns who wrote to him with the media magnate who pushed him in the same direction. Stinking stuff.

by russiandoll 25.04.12 17:38

and lets hope SY look at their photo alongside that younger one of Maddie in her Everton shirt, because their offering has her head and neck in proper relation to each other.

by **PeterMac** 25.04.12 17:38

Olive Press surpasses itself today.
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Met calls for Maddie case to be reopened
APRIL 25, 2012 • LEAD, NATIONAL NEWS

• THIS IS WHAT MADELEINE MCCANN WOULD LOOK LIKE NOW
SCOTLAND Yard has called for the investigation into missing Madeleine McCann to be reopened.
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood is leading a team of 37 detectives who are following up 195 leads.
Almost five years after her disappearance, an age-enhanced photo has been released to show what the British child would look like now.
Redwood said he ‘genuinely’ believed she could be alive, adding he thinks she was abducted by a stranger.
The team is however following another equally strong line of inquiry that she might now be dead.
Last week Spanish police were hunting for the child in Nerja following a tip-off from Portuguese police that a child with a ‘strong physical resemblance’ had been seen there.
Meanwhile the Olive Press is investigating a possible sighting by an expat who claims she saw a blonde girl who could have been Maddie on Penocillo Beach between Nerja and Torrox last summer.
Rosalie Bray said she was ‘taken aback’ when the young girl, around eight years old, joined a party of Hispanic-looking adults – and later saw a people carrier with a Portuguese number plate parked nearby.
“It had quite an impact on us,” she said. “The girl definitely wasn’t Spanish.”
Next Thursday, May 3, will mark the fifth anniversary of Maddie’s disappearance from a holiday resort in the Algarve in 2007.
Her ninth birthday is May 12.

So a report that she might be alive or dead. Or possibly both.
AND, free with every issue, your very own pull out and keep
SIGHTING
Only a year ago, not two years ago, madam, just one, just a year ago, thank you, roll up, roll up get your own sighting, just a year ago, on the Costa del Sol, "foreign looking people, girl definitely not Spanish ( or Moroccan !) and they saw a people carrier ! No one cares whether it belonged to that group or not, the important thing is they saw one. Standard issue predatory Pae*** people carrier.

And "It had quite an impact on us " said the women. So much impact that we did NOTHING. For a year, yes, ladies and gentlemen a whole year.

by Guest 25.04.12 17:38

russiandoll wrote: Am interested to hear if and why Cameron was pressured by a media mogul, into pushing for SY to get involved. That will stir up a good old hornets' nest. Linking the McCanns who wrote to him with the media magnate who pushed him in the same direction. Stinking stuff.

Apparently Martin Brunt just mentioned it on Sky news, but I didn't see it......

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Martin Brunt now outside #Scotland Yard , mentions political aspect of #McCann

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