Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012

Well at least we don't have so long to wait to find out what is going on. It should be very clear after tomorrow's programme whether it is going to be a whitewash or not.

Until then I remain hopeful...

Nina wrote:And of course 'family' is more than just the parents.

Quite.

From the link below Isabel Duarte rather putting her foot in it....

Isabel Duarte, the civil lawyer in Portugal who acts for the McCann family in their libel action against Amaral, says it’s not a popular fight.

“I feel alone because I don’t feel support, not in public opinion. I have friends that don’t want to talk to me about the case because everyone believes in Goncalo Amaral. Everyone believes that I am defending a father and mother that have killed their daughter and got rid of the corpse.”

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well I have only read a direct quote about closure to the case and not one of bringing closure for the family; there is a mention, outside quotes, of finding the little girl by the journalist. The child's family are central to this, of course he is aware of that but solving the case is to do with doing right by the child..it is she who is the focus of the review. Closure needs to be brought for her, and that is all I can see him saying in not so many words.
Before any of the nasty folk over the way at JATYK2 say I want Maddie dead let me state unequivocally that I want Madeleine McCann to be found alive, or if not found alive, for her to be living a decent life somewhere. Sadly I do not think either of these scenarios is the case. And no it is not logical to believe that if she has not been abducted she has been killed by her parents and I do not believe this to be the case either.

So the senior officer has stated the only thing he can state given 2 million or more is being spent, this is likely to be the end of the line so of course he wants to solve the case. That is the aim of every investigation.

btw can anyone explain why the mccann files statement translations are unreliable?
I am quite bothered by the lack of transcribed questions in the early interviews and hoped Peter Mac might shed some light on the importance or not, and implications of this.
But is it plausibly the case that there have been deliberate mistranslations with an agenda in mind.to discredit the tapas group? Why on earth would that be? he pro lot go on about this constantly. Cannot get my head around that any more than I can understand a police force wanting to frame a couple for something they did not truly believe had happened.
and why is any of the transcript published now?

russiandoll wrote: well I have only read a direct quote about closure to the case and not one of bringing closure for the family; there is a mention, outside quotes, of finding the little girl by the journalist. The child's family are central to this, of course he is aware of that but solving the case is to do with doing right by the child..it is she who is the focus of the review. Closure needs to be brought for her, and that is all I can see him saying in not so many words.
Before any of the nasty folk over the way at JATYK2 say I want Maddie dead let me state unequivocally that I want Madeleine McCann to be found alive, or if not found alive, for her to be living a decent life somewhere. Sadly I do not think either of these scenarios is the case. And no it is not logical to believe that if she has not been abducted she has been killed by her parents and I do not believe this to be the case either.

So the senior officer has stated the only thing he can state given 2 million or more is being spent, this is likely to be the end of the line so of course he wants to solve the case. That is the aim of every investigation.

btw can anyone explain why the mccann files statement translations are unreliable?
I am quite bothered by the lack of transcribed questions in the early interviews and hoped Peter Mac might shed some light on the importance or not, and implications of this.
But is it plausibly the case that there have been deliberate mistranslations with an agenda in mind.to discredit the tapas group? Why on earth would that be? he pro lot go on about this constantly. Cannot get my head around that any more than I can understand a police force wanting to frame a couple for something they did not truly believe had happened.
and why is any of the transcript published now?

You will not read a direct quote russiandoll because it was an item on the news at 6.00 but it was said. Probably be cut now there is all this talking and tweeting about it

candyfloss wrote:

Nina wrote:And of course 'family' is more than just the parents.

Quite.

From the link below Isabel Duarte rather putting her foot in it....

Isabel Duarte, the civil lawyer in Portugal who acts for the McCann family in their libel action against Amaral, says it’s not a popular fight.

“I feel alone because I don’t feel support, not in public opinion. I have friends that don’t want to talk to me about the case because everyone believes in Goncalo Amaral. Everyone believes that I am defending a father and mother that have killed their daughter and got rid of the corpse.”

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Interesting for her to come out and say that. I wonder what she really thinks. Lawyers must often have internal conflict over doing their job and trying to get people off that they know are guilty. Still surprised that she would acknowledge this and put this idea into people's heads. Many people in this country would not for one minute have this opinion of the case due to the press involvement on the McCann side.

Well whatever the outcome of the `Review`, one thing the McCanns won`t be able to do is carry on begging for more money. It will be interesting to see if they do.

Johnson was the first Home Secretary to carry out a feasibility study into whether the Metropolitan Police could review the investigation. He met Madeleine’s parents and says: “I was enormously sympathetic to their case. All the stuff that appeared in certain tabloids suggesting they were the guilty party, you know it’s very difficult under that kind of saturation coverage not to start believing in some of those theories. But by the time they came in to see me I was absolutely clear that they were the victims in all this.”

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Ah yes, the scoping exercise that was deemed "too sensitive" for the McCanns to see.

You raise a good point, Russiandoll. Why would the parents/Tapas be discredited (for no reason)? IIRC, the Portuguese claimed they were slow to come to that way of thinking,because they did not want to be insensitive, even though statistical data suggests they be the first to be looked at. Even Team McCann have said that in the past. I've always believed that there must be some strong grounds for so many people to risk their own reputations in holding a suspicious view. An awful lot of people in influential roles stand to be completely discredited if it were indeed all a big smear campaign. I don't believe that would be a risk worth taking unless they have faith in their theories. I mean, Katherina Gaspar could come out of it looking really malicious for one.

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thanks for the link to the video.....
yes he repeated closure and instead of" to the case" as earlier said "for the family." Well he has to say that does he not, the ultimate aim would be to find a living child and return her to her parents and siblings.
But he did not say as per the written article on the BBC site, they had the best opportunity of finding the little girl. only "best opportunity" was in quotes, the rest an assumption by the journo I think due to Redwood having said they hope they can solve it. A big jump.

uppatoffee wrote:Well at least we don't have so long to wait to find out what is going on. It should be very clear after tomorrow's programme whether it is going to be a whitewash or not.

Until then I remain hopeful...

Anyone know if the programme listings have changed for BBC1 or BBC Northern Ireland ? they are the two we get here .

tuom wrote:

Anyone know if the programme listings have changed for BBC1 or BBC Northern Ireland ? they are the two we get here .

This is the programme link for the programme [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
It says

Wed 25 Apr 2012
19:30
BBC One
EXCEPT NORTH WEST, SCOTLAND

candyfloss wrote:

Nina wrote:And of course 'family' is more than just the parents.

Quite.

From the link below Isabel Duarte rather putting her foot in it....

Isabel Duarte, the civil lawyer in Portugal who acts for the McCann family in their libel action against Amaral, says it’s not a popular fight.

“I feel alone because I don’t feel support, not in public opinion. I have friends that don’t want to talk to me about the case because everyone believes in Goncalo Amaral. Everyone believes that I am defending a father and mother that have killed their daughter and got rid of the corpse.”

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I am not aware that G Amaral has said that the parents killed their child. She is suggesting also that any non abduction theory is solely down to him, which we know is not true.

The question is about this programme is that it was scheduled to go out next Monday. Why has it suddenly been brought forward? Anything happening next Monday?

I copied a post here from the panorama website and there was nothing about tomorrows showing, why the sudden move?

Maybe because the press got hold of the story, and they were fielding too many questions?

candyfloss wrote:The question is about this programme is that it was scheduled to go out next Monday. Why has it suddenly been brought forward? Anything happening next Monday?

I copied a post here from the panorama website and there was nothing about tomorrows showing, why the sudden move?

I was wondering that too , would it have anything to do with the public reaction to the programme , like "get it over quick " "closure" "done and dusted"[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

uppatoffee wrote:Maybe because the press got hold of the story, and they were fielding too many questions?

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Tweet from Jerry Lawton Daily Star journalist...........

Jerry Lawton‏@JerryLawtonReply

We now have best ever chance of solving Madeleine #McCann mystery, say police - full story in Daily Star tomorrow


Again strange, "solving the mystery" and not finding Madeleine.

Are our friends at Carter Ruck going to have anything to say to the BBC about using the term "Mystery" in relation to Madeleine McCann?!

The suspense is killing me. What will Panorama come up with? The Met have had near enough 30 detectives on the case for just short of a year. I did hear on the grapevine about 6 weeks ago their conclusions would be drawn ahead of the fifth anniversary. Fingers crossed for some solid result. The Mccanns and their family must be crying out for closure of some sort after all this time. I do believe the tv sofa circuit has come to an end.

Here's the clip from Panorama that was on the news........



At 2.10 "And of course we are here to bring closure to the family"

I really don't like the phrase 'closure for the family' slipped in at the end there. Sounds like a 'get the public and police off their back', also the clip of Amaral isnt great, and the 'where portugese have failed' - they would have nothing to have failed at had these two British idiots either not gone out boozing leaving their kids or killed/found their daughter dead and concealed her body - take your pick on that one!
got a feeling this programme is going to make me super angry!

candyfloss wrote:Here's the clip from Panorama that was on the news........



At 2.10 "And of course we are here to bring closure to the family"

This is a review , this is a review , I have to keep telling myself that , a half hour programme is not going to solve this , [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

"closure to the family" troubles me. Surely it is not even remotely in their remit. Reviewing the evidence and establishing, as much as possible, the truth as to what happened to Maddie is surely the ONLY remit. If that happens to bring closure to the family - rather than prosecution! - then that would be a happy side effect for the family but not the absolute remit.

nomendelta wrote:"closure to the family" troubles me. Surely it is not even remotely in their remit. Reviewing the evidence and establishing, as much as possible, the truth as to what happened to Maddie is surely the ONLY remit. If that happens to bring closure to the family - rather than prosecution! - then that would be a happy side effect for the family but not the absolute remit.

But how can they bring closure unless Madeleine is found. Do they have some information as to where she is, because if they come to the conclusion that she was abducted and the McCanns are not in any way involved, how on earth can that be closure. Madeleine would still be missing and it would still be an unsolved case.

The former home secretary Alan Johnson, who was also interviewed for the programme, which airs tonight, called on Cameron to launch a "charm offensive" on the Portuguese government to help boost the McCanns' profile and get further co-operation from the country's police. "A bit of diplomacy can ensure that you do get the co-operation you need," he said.



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auntiefi wrote:, also the clip of Amaral isnt great, and the 'where portugese have failed' -

Yes the Portugese failing comment troubled me too.