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Post by Guest 02.11.11 18:05

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Moa wrote: I was wondering about wether she went to the top or not. I saw Mark 7 described as an entrance and therefor guessed she used that one-...

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Moa, you can see better in the above picture, mark 7 is at the side of the apartment just where you see the second last red arrow but you need to continue up to the top of the road along the trees and then follow the road for the entrance, the last arrow is where point 7 really should be. Apt 5A is to the left of the final red arrow.

You can see just how isolated the back entrance is, it would be easy enough to force the lock (that isn't dead bolted according to Kate) and the window of the children's bedroom is closed but not locked either. It doesn't bring a good picture of simply dining in the back garden.

Thank you :) Still looks like a big fat JT lie :)
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Post by Guest 02.11.11 18:40

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At that time she observed GM talking to an English citizen called Jez that they had met on these holidays. He played tennis with them. She doesn't know if they saw her giving the assurance that, on her part, she did not start a conversation with either of them.

She passed them knowing that GM had already been in the apartment to see the children.

She doesn't recall the position/orientation of either Jez or GM while they spoke to each other on the street, only having the perception that one was on the pavement and the other was in the road next to the other. Jez had a baby carriage, the deponent knowing that he had a small child.

Prompted, she clarified that the reason she left, following GM only 5/10 minutes later, she relates that she did it because she knew that he would only go to his apartment, reiterating that she checked her daughters regularly.

Questioned about the path she took on the way to her home, she relates that she left the reception at the entrance to the Tapas/pool area and went up the pavement to the corner, having entered the apartment by the front door, which was, as already stated, locked. The only access to the interior of the home is by that door, seeing that the windows and the sliding patio door to the lounge were locked from the inside, it being this way that they are only passable if they are opened, also from the inside.

Asked [about] the route of GM to his home when he went to check on his children, she relates that she does not know, but that she knows that he, at times, accessed the home by the glass lounge door which was only closed but not locked. She explains that this was the easiest and fastest way to enter the McCann apartment as they have a stairway up to the veranda which is next to the pavement, saving thereby half [the distance of] the route. Questioned, she relates that all the couples had to access their respective apartments by the front door, except the McCanns since they were the only ones who left the glass door unlocked.

Prompted to say if she checked the state of the windows and external blinds of the McCann children's bedroom when she went to her house, she relates that no, she did not look in that direction,
hence they might already have been open without her having noticed.


1. How did Jane already know that Gerry had checked the children? He could have spent the time chatting with Jez
2. How is Jane so sure about the tiny detail of the child's floral pyjamas yet she can't remember what position Gerry & Jez were facing? She would surely remember considering she saw them but didn't offer a salutation.
3. Jane knows that Gerry won't check her kids yet Russell & Matt checked the McCann kids that night..
4. Open sorry, smashed & jemmied shutters, an open window and blowing curtains would be very difficult to miss. Surprising that Jane didn't notice this seeing as she noticed everything else about the walk (except for what direction Gerry was facing)
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Post by Guest 02.11.11 19:09

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The big question is, where were they both coming from when they met?

...Eventually, I left one road to the other side of the street to the pool complex, between the McCann apartment and the Tapas Bar. In order to visualise this street, I believe it was the street most used by the news agencies and journalists as all the parked cars indicated during the coverage period.
When I left the street, I remember seeing Gerry on the other side of the same. I believe that there was some speculation in the press regarding the circumstances of this encounter. I remember that I crossed the street to talk to Gerry. According to what I remember, Gerry was walking when I spotted him. As I mentioned previously, I assumed that he had gone to check on the children and was headed back to the Tapas Bar.
From what I remember, the conversation happened right there on the pathway but I am not certain who was located exactly where.

Q. Relative to the time we conversed;
I am more certain of this than I am of our relative positions.
The conversation lasted for approximately three to five minutes. We spoke of the care of children and how they were getting along. He told me something like 'he was on night duty'. I explained to him that I was returning to the apartment as my son was now sleeping. I assumed that Gerry was off to dine with the group in the Tapas bar, but I cannot precisely say this came from him or if I figured this out from our previous conversations regarding the checking system for the children. I remember that Gerry told me if he had stayed another week, he would likely do as I was doing and would stay with the children one night. It appeared as though he was jealous of what I was doing, but given that he was with a big group, he felt the obligation to meet with them every night, and the chosen location was the Tapas bar. I believe that there was some sort of agreement with the tapas Bar as they appeared to have a reservation every night and it was impossible for other guests to book at spot there.
I do not know if we were face to face or side to side when this conversation occurred. As I had the pram with me I was rocking it so my son could sleep, it seems to me that I was in the downward direction, but it is possible that I was in the opposite direction.
I do not remember having seen anyone else at this time besides Gerry. After leaving each other, Gerry walked downward in the direction of the Tapas Bar and I began to walk in the other direction, up the pathway. I turned left at the crossing and passed the apartment. I did not meet anyone else during my walk and once in my apartment, I did not venture out again.


I think Jane Tanner's drawing puts them chatting directly under the living room window. Does anyone know what street the press gathered on? If Gerry was coming out from the back entrance of the apartment it would be very hard to spot Jez if he was behind him. If Jez was coming down the hill behind Gerry he could shout at him and Gerry might turn around and walk towards Jez yet Jez says he crossed the street to Gerry. If Jez was coming from the Ocean Club up the hill how would he intersect with Gerry under the living room window?
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Post by Guest 02.11.11 19:42

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Gerry comes into the apartment via the back sliding doors. I think it gets mentioned later that he now suspects that someone was already in the apartment and they hid. Where? There's no warning for an abductor until the last moment, if the abductor is already in the children's room, where can he hide? By the time Gerry opens the sliding doors he has a clear view of anyone trying to leave the room. In the interviews he says it was hard to see Madeleine so he went up to the top of the bed. Hard to hide behind the door with the angle of the wardrobe and any movement would be immediately picked up by Gerry. Gerry had a birds eye view of the whole room when he went to the top of Madeleine's bed.

Gerry uses the bathroom and leaves the apt through the sliding doors. Somehow he bumps into Jez and they begin chatting. Meanwhile somebody opens/jemmies/smashes the shutters and Gerry hears nothing. We're later told that the abductor entered through the sliding doors. Gerry is directly outside the sliding doors, how can he not notice? The front window is only yards away Neither he nor Jez spot Jane who comes up from the Tapas and walks by them. Neither spot bundleman so which direction exactly are they both facing? And why, if jez was coming down the hill with the child in a buggy, did he immediately turn around and return the other way when Gerry leaves? The abductor then leaves through the front door, so why doesn't Gerry hear it close? What abductor in their right mind would abduct a child within yards of her father's presence? Why does the story change from the first phone calls of a locked up apartment to later on almost every window and door unlocked or possibly locked? Why do Jane, Russell and Matt pass the open shutters, the open windows and the blowing curtains without noticing?
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Post by russiandoll 02.11.11 21:02

maybe there was no need to take any notice of 5a because it was empty and children sleeping elsewhere ?
the police noticed that the twins were in cots without any bedding when they arrived, perhaps they had been returned to their room from a different apartment?
I have studied the photos of 5a and its location is a burglars dream. I can not accept that two intelligent doctors left their valuables[ including the children][ in there while it was unlocked.
and there was conveniently if I recall a member of the group unwell every night. these illnesses did not extend to the following day as far as I am aware and so that person, genuinely ill or not, could have minded all the children in one apartment, think of the beds, travel cots and living room sofas which usuall convert to beds.

imo the Jane Tanner sighting is a fabrication from start to finish. Nothing makes sense and if thats the case it cant be true.
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Post by Guest 02.11.11 21:14

russiandoll wrote:maybe there was no need to take any notice of 5a because it was empty and children sleeping elsewhere ?
the police noticed that the twins were in cots without any bedding when they arrived, perhaps they had been returned to their room from a different apartment?
I have studied the photos of 5a and its location is a burglars dream. I can not accept that two intelligent doctors left their valuables[ including the children][ in there while it was unlocked.
and there was conveniently if I recall a member of the group unwell every night. these illnesses did not extend to the following day as far as I am aware and so that person, genuinely ill or not, could have minded all the children in one apartment, think of the beds, travel cots and living room sofas which usuall convert to beds.

imo the Jane Tanner sighting is a fabrication from start to finish. Nothing makes sense and if thats the case it cant be true.

You're absolutely right, Russiandoll, If anyone could explain all those discrepancies in a plausible manner I'd actually listen. Because the whole story simply defies logic. But it's a great starting point for anyone who cares to begin. And a good reminder of why so many people are sceptical.
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Post by PeterMac 02.11.11 23:58

We have all tried VERY hard to understand how Jane Tanner's statement could possibly be true, or even how it could possible be "almost true" but a little bit mistaken in one or two crucial details.
But FOUR YEARS later, there is no one who can make any sense of it.
No one who can explain how any of it might have happened.
No one who can assist.

"...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
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Post by Guest 03.11.11 9:37

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Wilkins was not in that block at all, he was in block 4.

Tanner looks like she was on the 2nd floor, instead of groundfloor.

G5A's front door btw, is located underneath the tiny red roof, just to the left of the row of green trees.
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Post by Guest 03.11.11 10:39

PeterMac wrote:We have all tried VERY hard to understand how Jane Tanner's statement could possibly be true, or even how it could possible be "almost true" but a little bit mistaken in one or two crucial details.
But FOUR YEARS later, there is no one who can make any sense of it.
No one who can explain how any of it might have happened.
No one who can assist.

"...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

It makes me wonder how the twins will make sense of it when they are old enough to understand the full story. Left alone for 5 consecutive nights with only their older sibling there to protect them and lift them both out of cots in the event of fire. Older sibling brings their absence to their attention yet they still go out to dine that night. Doors and windows unlocked or probably locked. Older sibling abducted from right under their father's nose while he was busy discussing the merits of dining in and tennis, while he was a few yards away but didn't notice anything. Friend noticing but not realizing. Left alone again to the mercy of the abductor with the open window and shutter while the mother ran for help. Left alone again while their parents jetted around the world to highlight their campaign. Paraded around the media for various photo shoots. Making sense of the bad man who stole their sister. Not to mention the various inconsistencies.
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Post by aiyoyo 03.11.11 14:31

russiandoll wrote:maybe there was no need to take any notice of 5a because it was empty and children sleeping elsewhere ?
the police noticed that the twins were in cots without any bedding when they arrived, perhaps they had been returned to their room from a different apartment?
I have studied the photos of 5a and its location is a burglars dream. I can not accept that two intelligent doctors left their valuables[ including the children][ in there while it was unlocked.
and there was conveniently if I recall a member of the group unwell every night. these illnesses did not extend to the following day as far as I am aware and so that person, genuinely ill or not, could have minded all the children in one apartment, think of the beds, travel cots and living room sofas which usuall convert to beds.

imo the Jane Tanner sighting is a fabrication from start to finish. Nothing makes sense and if thats the case it cant be true.

What is puzzlijng is if her statements were consistently changed that had to be re-signed as 'true and correct', and the belief that others (IFLG and maybe control risks group) had helped her in her evolving statements then surely if it isn't fabrication how did people helping know what she saw?
If these people were involved (allegedly) in her statements then her sighting is definitely fabrication but she couldn't remember the scripts given to her hence the constant need to change her statements.

Question is" why was Tanner singled out for the 'fabricator' role? Was she the most softhearted and willing to help a friend or was she maybe a wee bit dim witted and didn't really know the impact of what she was asked to do? Why not Fiona Payne, kate's best mate? Could it be because David Payne was already given another role as 'Maddie' last sighter? and using Fiona to sight gerry is a wee bit too much coming after DP? What about the other girl in the group - the one (Rachel Oldfield?) who said surely 6 doctors would know about 'resuscitation'? Not too pally with the mccanns perhaps?

When you look at the characters and roles given to them...it becomes clear mccanns selected carefully who to play what role, and used each and every of their holiday friend for the purpose most advantageous to them.
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Post by Guest 12.11.11 14:41

Jane Tanner:

4078 "And did you leave your roadside door locked or was it unlocked?"
Reply "Yes, yeah well we made, as I said we made sure that was because you could dead
lock it as well and that was one of our concerns was Exxxx waking up and wandering
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mean like I say we didn't think she would but that was probably our, you know so
she couldn't get out the actual apartment, that was err so we did make sure that was
dead locked every night."


Kate McCann:

They left by the veranda door, which they left closed but not locked. Main door was closed but not locked. She thinks it could be opened from the inside but not from the outside. She thinks she was wearing a cream coloured polar fleece with a zip, and on top a blue raincoat also with a zip. As regards Gerry, she doesn't know if he was wearing other items of clothing.

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I only noticed this now. Kate is actually saying that the front door was unlocked, what was to prevent Madeleine wandering out the front door?
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I guess this is because of the wind out there and it saves people locking themselves out !!!

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Post by Seek truth 30.08.13 11:38

These are their own words!
Watch:   
McCann's Irish RTE Late Late Show Interview May 13 2011

Says everything in their own words.

At 10.34 Kate is actually HAPPY that the waiters wrote down (for strangers to know, in the restaurant) that they had booked a table because the kids were sleeping alone while they dined.

What makes her so pleased? she's shifting the blame! And really happy about doing this.


When the interviewer questions them about why the public, don't believe them when they're always smiling, They don't answer! Gerry just brings up, oh the Portuguese secrecy law!!!!

At 22.40 on the video, She also again tries to say it took 4 hours!
When Gerry, says  it took the first police 20 mins to arrive, and 1 hour for the second police to arrive.
She confuses us by saying it took 4 hours really.(she means the time in between she found MM missing and the last police arrived) she fails to say some police were there already.

Then Gerry ends by saying READ THE BOOK.
Hello?  Can we read the files instead? Is it not a better idea? you don't want us to read the book for money purposes, you have that already. So it must be for INFORMATION.
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This is the Irish interview for anyone brave enough to watch it!

It has been analysed here before.

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Post by tigger 30.08.13 13:06

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This is the Irish interview for anyone brave enough to watch it!

It has been analysed here before.

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Iirc there were two interruptions in that interview -both Gerry's phone. Signals ?

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Post by Cristobell 30.08.13 14:17

'If you're happy and you know it' is a song, not a book isn't it?  Never been able to figure out why you would sing with toddlers when you want to get them off to sleep, it would make them excited and playful. Only a minor point I know, but it niggles me and again shows how clueless K&G were when it came to looking after kids.
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Post by Angelique 31.08.13 8:48

Cristobell

Yes, I thought this too. It was discussed a while ago, maybe on a different thread somewhere but apparently, there is also a Book. But from what I can make out, this is not really a "bed-time Book" IMO.

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I've not heard of a book.
 
It's preferable to some other songs Kate claims that Madeleine knew; hopefully that was just hogwash.
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