Re: A few oddities

by Amy Dean 12.09.15 22:21

Maybe the two adults and double buggy are not part of the McCann / Payne group?

by Robittybob1 28.06.16 4:24

Guest wrote:Here's a few odd things to consider:

Gerry said on airport bus that he wasn't there to enjoy himself
Speed and professionalism of the Fund/website being set up
2006 seen on website when Maddie went missing in 2007
Naming Fund after a police forensic manual "No stone unturned"
John McCann gave up well-paid job despite having house, wife and kids to support
The last photo of Maddie believed to be fake
Kate's strange diary
Gerry's strange blog
Disregarding police advice about releasing information about Maddie's eye
Trademark, marketing ploy
Twins left in unlocked apartment after Kate raised alarm
Twins left in creche during aftermath while they went fundraising
Smiling and smirking
Whoever Madeleine's with she'll be giving them her tuppenceworth
Well it was our holiday too
Staged walks, jogging, globetrotting, not searching
Gerry planning events months ahead
No evidence of abduction
No jemmied window
Gerry alleged to have dumped Fridge, reference removed from his blog
Amaral believed Maddie's corpse was frozen or refrigerated
Curtains washed, sofa moved, no sheets on twins' cots
Rotting meat, dirty nappies transported in hire car
Lies and inconsistencies, changing statements/stories
Tearing Maddie's book to write timeline before police arrived
Deleting text messages and phone records the night Maddie disappeared
Phoning Sky before phoning police
Gerry having presence of mind to update his Friends Reunited profile to remove babysitting reference
Washing Cuddlecat and using it as a prop for staged photoshoots then dumping it once back in the UK
Framing Robert Murat
The Wider Agenda flipchart
The excessive mileage on the hire car
Blood/marks on walls and floor behind sofa
Cadaver scent in apartment and car and on Kate and Maddie's clothes
David Payne and Gerry's alleged 'paedophilic' conversation reported to police by Dr Gaspar
David Payne's alleged 'bathtime' visits
Jon Corner's strange remark about Maddie's special quality and charisma
Ward of Court
Question 41: Is it true that in England you considered giving up Madeleine's guardianship
Claiming to be devout Catholics which was denied by Kate's mother
Sedatives mystery
Not answering 48 police questions
Not going back to Portugal to do the reconstruction
Refusing to take lie detector test
Excuses made for evidence found
Discrediting sniffer dogs
Not requesting the re-opening of the case before the deadline on 20 September 2008
Not taking Amaral's advice and making a formal request to the British police to find Maddie, despite their insistence that she is still alive
Mr Amaral removed from investigation
Mr Amaral's dog killed with serious head injury
Sergey Malinka's car torched

Does anyone have references to all or some of these?

by plebgate 28.06.16 7:37

There are topics on these which you will find if you use the search facility. Putting in the key word (I have recently discovered as I am useless) will normally bring up several topics where the word has been mentioned.

by Robittybob1 28.06.16 8:00

plebgate wrote:There are topics on these which you will find if you use the search facility. Putting in the key word (I have recently discovered as I am useless) will normally bring up several topics where the word has been mentioned.

Searching this site or Google?

by MayMuse 28.06.16 11:43

Robittybob1 wrote:
plebgate wrote:There are topics on these which you will find if you use the search facility. Putting in the key word (I have recently discovered as I am useless) will normally bring up several topics where the word has been mentioned.
Searching this site or Google?

This site using the search bar, as explained by Plebgate, if you use key words threads will then pop up yes

by plebgate 28.06.16 12:05

ROSA wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]In this clip if it works I notice on the right side a twin stroller but I thought the McCann's did not take one to Portugal

I don't recall seeing this pic. before but imo the body frames of those two women could be Mrs. and Fi Payne.

Looks like the one with the suitcases and buggy could have a pink toy over the arm - could that be cuddlecat?

I don't know if this photo is from the internet or official police files but I do think it is odd that they haven't been asked if it is them and if it is why they would have said they didn't take a stroller with them.

Has anyone ever sent a copy of this to the police with the other files?

I find it very hard to believe that a family of five with a lot of luggage required for a week's holiday would not take a stroller with them.

by Robittybob1 28.06.16 12:23

Guest wrote:Here's a few odd things to consider:

Gerry said on airport bus that he wasn't there to enjoy himself
Speed and professionalism of the Fund/website being set up
2006 seen on website when Maddie went missing in 2007
Naming Fund after a police forensic manual "No stone unturned"
John McCann gave up well-paid job despite having house, wife and kids to support
The last photo of Maddie believed to be fake
Kate's strange diary
Gerry's strange blog
Disregarding police advice about releasing information about Maddie's eye
Trademark, marketing ploy
Twins left in unlocked apartment after Kate raised alarm
Twins left in creche during aftermath while they went fundraising
Smiling and smirking
Whoever Madeleine's with she'll be giving them her tuppenceworth
Well it was our holiday too
Staged walks, jogging, globetrotting, not searching
Gerry planning events months ahead
No evidence of abduction
No jemmied window
Gerry alleged to have dumped Fridge, reference removed from his blog
Amaral believed Maddie's corpse was frozen or refrigerated
Curtains washed, sofa moved, no sheets on twins' cots
Rotting meat, dirty nappies transported in hire car
Lies and inconsistencies, changing statements/stories
Tearing Maddie's book to write timeline before police arrived
Deleting text messages and phone records the night Maddie disappeared
Phoning Sky before phoning police
Gerry having presence of mind to update his Friends Reunited profile to remove babysitting reference
Washing Cuddlecat and using it as a prop for staged photoshoots then dumping it once back in the UK
Framing Robert Murat
The Wider Agenda flipchart
The excessive mileage on the hire car
Blood/marks on walls and floor behind sofa
Cadaver scent in apartment and car and on Kate and Maddie's clothes
David Payne and Gerry's alleged 'paedophilic' conversation reported to police by Dr Gaspar
David Payne's alleged 'bathtime' visits
Jon Corner's strange remark about Maddie's special quality and charisma
Ward of Court
Question 41: Is it true that in England you considered giving up Madeleine's guardianship
Claiming to be devout Catholics which was denied by Kate's mother
Sedatives mystery
Not answering 48 police questions
Not going back to Portugal to do the reconstruction
Refusing to take lie detector test
Excuses made for evidence found
Discrediting sniffer dogs
Not requesting the re-opening of the case before the deadline on 20 September 2008
Not taking Amaral's advice and making a formal request to the British police to find Maddie, despite their insistence that she is still alive
Mr Amaral removed from investigation
Mr Amaral's dog killed with serious head injury
Sergey Malinka's car torched

I'd like to see all these with links or quotes to prove the veracity of these oddities

I have seen this one on YT "Gerry said on airport bus that he wasn't there to enjoy himself"
Some of the others are rather well known and the reasons given.

Does someone think these 2 are related to the McCann case? Mr Amaral's dog killed with serious head injury
Sergey Malinka's car torched

by MayMuse 28.06.16 16:42

plebgate wrote:
ROSA wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]In this clip if it works I notice on the right side a twin stroller but I thought the McCann's did not take one to Portugal
I don't recall seeing this pic. before but imo the body frames of those two women could be Mrs. and Fi Payne.

Looks like the one with the suitcases and buggy could have a pink toy over the arm - could that be cuddlecat?

I don't know if this photo is from the internet or official police files but I do think it is odd that they haven't been asked if it is them and if it is why they would have said they didn't take a stroller with them.

Has anyone ever sent a copy of this to the police with the other files?

I find it very hard to believe that a family of five with a lot of luggage required for a week's holiday would not take a stroller with them.

I believe this is just a snapshot "still" from the video which the family released of them boarding the aeroplane, and Madeleine fell up the stairs.

by MayMuse 28.06.16 16:44

Robittybob1 wrote:
Guest wrote:Here's a few odd things to consider:

Gerry said on airport bus that he wasn't there to enjoy himself
Speed and professionalism of the Fund/website being set up
2006 seen on website when Maddie went missing in 2007
Naming Fund after a police forensic manual "No stone unturned"
John McCann gave up well-paid job despite having house, wife and kids to support
The last photo of Maddie believed to be fake
Kate's strange diary
Gerry's strange blog
Disregarding police advice about releasing information about Maddie's eye
Trademark, marketing ploy
Twins left in unlocked apartment after Kate raised alarm
Twins left in creche during aftermath while they went fundraising
Smiling and smirking
Whoever Madeleine's with she'll be giving them her tuppenceworth
Well it was our holiday too
Staged walks, jogging, globetrotting, not searching
Gerry planning events months ahead
No evidence of abduction
No jemmied window
Gerry alleged to have dumped Fridge, reference removed from his blog
Amaral believed Maddie's corpse was frozen or refrigerated
Curtains washed, sofa moved, no sheets on twins' cots
Rotting meat, dirty nappies transported in hire car
Lies and inconsistencies, changing statements/stories
Tearing Maddie's book to write timeline before police arrived
Deleting text messages and phone records the night Maddie disappeared
Phoning Sky before phoning police
Gerry having presence of mind to update his Friends Reunited profile to remove babysitting reference
Washing Cuddlecat and using it as a prop for staged photoshoots then dumping it once back in the UK
Framing Robert Murat
The Wider Agenda flipchart
The excessive mileage on the hire car
Blood/marks on walls and floor behind sofa
Cadaver scent in apartment and car and on Kate and Maddie's clothes
David Payne and Gerry's alleged 'paedophilic' conversation reported to police by Dr Gaspar
David Payne's alleged 'bathtime' visits
Jon Corner's strange remark about Maddie's special quality and charisma
Ward of Court
Question 41: Is it true that in England you considered giving up Madeleine's guardianship
Claiming to be devout Catholics which was denied by Kate's mother
Sedatives mystery
Not answering 48 police questions
Not going back to Portugal to do the reconstruction
Refusing to take lie detector test
Excuses made for evidence found
Discrediting sniffer dogs
Not requesting the re-opening of the case before the deadline on 20 September 2008
Not taking Amaral's advice and making a formal request to the British police to find Maddie, despite their insistence that she is still alive
Mr Amaral removed from investigation
Mr Amaral's dog killed with serious head injury
Sergey Malinka's car torched
I'd like to see all these with links or quotes to prove the veracity of these oddities

I have seen this one on YT "Gerry said on airport bus that he wasn't there to enjoy himself"
Some of the others are rather well known and the reasons given.

Does someone think these 2 are related to the McCann case? Mr Amaral's dog killed with serious head injury
Sergey Malinka's car torched

Search the forum, it is all discussed on threads/links which can assist your own seeking.

by **Nina** 28.06.16 17:03

MayMuse wrote:
plebgate wrote:
ROSA wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]In this clip if it works I notice on the right side a twin stroller but I thought the McCann's did not take one to Portugal
I don't recall seeing this pic. before but imo the body frames of those two women could be Mrs. and Fi Payne.

Looks like the one with the suitcases and buggy could have a pink toy over the arm - could that be cuddlecat?

I don't know if this photo is from the internet or official police files but I do think it is odd that they haven't been asked if it is them and if it is why they would have said they didn't take a stroller with them.

Has anyone ever sent a copy of this to the police with the other files?

I find it very hard to believe that a family of five with a lot of luggage required for a week's holiday would not take a stroller with them.
I believe this is just a snapshot "still" from the video which the family released of them boarding the aeroplane, and Madeleine fell up the stairs.

Yes it is but very interesting that there is a double buggy there. I tried to enlarge it but it just gets fuzzier so made it much smaller and looked through my magnifying glass.It isn't as fuzzy but not clear enough to see who is who but I wager it is Sean in the right hand side of the double buggy but cannot prove it.

by plebgate 28.06.16 17:21

Thanks for that MayM. Having read Nina's post about using a magnifyer I did the same and it is still very fuzzy but it looks to me as though there could be two children in the buggy. Can't make out faces but it looks to me that the child in the pushchair on my left (looking at screen) has their head on an angle to my right (looking at screen) but so difficult to really make it all out it could be just a mass of pixels I suppose?

by worriedmum 28.06.16 17:41

I took a hard bodied pram to France when my second child was six weeks old as well as a stroller for the two year old-all in a Mini metro! And a buggy is essential with a toddler when you are flying to keep the tots safe and occupied at the airport... so YES very difficult to believe there was no buggy ~~except of course the children had to share a single toothbrush didn't they?~~

Maybe we are looking at this all the wrong way around.

Maybe the question we should be asking is

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE *DOUBLE BUGGY ?

* If it existed spin

by **Nina** 28.06.16 18:48

I am trying to find the video this still is taken from but it seems to have been whooshed. Has anyone a copy tucked away please?

by worriedmum 28.06.16 18:53

not on the BBC site anymore, but the 'buggy' is about 5 seconds in...
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After having looked at it frame by frame, I don't think the person with the buggy is Kate, her jacket is too light coloured.

by **Nina** 28.06.16 19:12

worriedmum wrote:not on the BBC site anymore, but the 'buggy' is about 5 seconds in...
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

After having looked at it frame by frame, I don't think the person with the buggy is Kate, her jacket is too light coloured.

Thank you worriedmum roses

It is interesting to go still by still and on a less than 100% on a full screen.I wish I could do pictures.

by twentyfour 06.07.16 19:52

Guest wrote:
David Payne and Gerry's alleged 'paedophilic' conversation reported to police by Dr Gaspar

Sorry, could someone elucidate me on this?

by **Jill Havern** 06.07.16 20:11

twentyfour wrote:
Guest wrote:
David Payne and Gerry's alleged 'paedophilic' conversation reported to police by Dr Gaspar

Sorry, could someone elucidate me on this?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

by twentyfour 06.07.16 23:05

Thanks very much.

Now why have I never heard this before?!

Very worrying how much information has been hidden from public understanding.

by twentyfour 07.07.16 0:53

I was always quite skeptical about Kate and Gerry having involvement in this, but stories like that make me question the whole thing. I really struggled to understand why parents would cover up a child's death (yes, even given Gerry's profession etc) but if there would be evidence of sexual abuse on Madeleine it throws the whole thing into a very plausible realm.

And the more I read, the more likely I think it is that Madeleine died some time before Thursday night. What's that about the posters that Kate and Gerry managed to concoct in absurdly fast time the night of the disappearance?

Anyway, chilling food for thought and I won't clog up this thread any more because I assume it's meant to be more of a resource than a discussion.

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