Re: A few oddities

by Shibboleth 11.12.11 10:48

I think that Cuddle Cat website was one of Gerry's ideas. A money earner, in the same school of thought as taking pictures of Kate in a swim-suit. A repulsive idea, but someone had the good sense, to dissuade him. I think they were hoping that the Cuddle Cat name would catch the imagination, everyone would want to get one, it would be a high fashion item. About 10 years ago I worked in the US, and a British show for children was aired, it was called Telly Tubbies, and the country went wild. You could not get the toys in any stores, people sold them on Ebay for enormus sums of money, whenever they appeared on the shelf in Walmart there were lines of people fighting with each other to get one. I am grateful that my children were too old then to be interested in Telly Tubbies, because I know that I would also have been captuered into the madness. I think the McCann wished for Cuddle Cat to rocket to star-dom in the same way. Perhaps there are boxes of cuddle cats in the garage of Mr Gerry. Perhaps those are the cuddle cats that the detectives of Metodo 3 took to work with them for when they became demotivated. laughat

by Shibboleth 11.12.11 11:03

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by TrollAng 11.12.11 11:30

Cuddlecat.org.uk was set up on 29th.

by russiandoll 11.12.11 11:41

have said it before and will say again.....would not surprise me if c cat was one of those kids toys that they sell on holiday flights.
Im know t cook sold russ berrie toys at one time, but McCanns flew bmi to Faro May 2007....maybe some of their tapas pals flew t cook and it was bought on that flight......who knows but the attempt to register it makes my blood boil.
wonder what the pope thought of the rosary beads idea..........bet he was really impressed.not.

by Guest 11.12.11 14:45

What if Russ Berrie were to dontate some cuddlecats to a worthwhile charity?

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by Angelique 11.12.11 19:47

Shibboleth wrote:I think that Cuddle Cat website was one of Gerry's ideas. A money earner, in the same school of thought as taking pictures of Kate in a swim-suit. A repulsive idea, but someone had the good sense, to dissuade him. I think they were hoping that the Cuddle Cat name would catch the imagination, everyone would want to get one, it would be a high fashion item. About 10 years ago I worked in the US, and a British show for children was aired, it was called Telly Tubbies, and the country went wild. You could not get the toys in any stores, people sold them on Ebay for enormus sums of money, whenever they appeared on the shelf in Walmart there were lines of people fighting with each other to get one. I am grateful that my children were too old then to be interested in Telly Tubbies, because I know that I would also have been captuered into the madness. I think the McCann wished for Cuddle Cat to rocket to star-dom in the same way. Perhaps there are boxes of cuddle cats in the garage of Mr Gerry. Perhaps those are the cuddle cats that the detectives of Metodo 3 took to work with them for when they became demotivated.

Shibboleth

I think you are right. It is just like Gerry to be thinking about any way to market an item to bring in Funds. Its horrible to think but it does seem that this was thought about in great detail.

I wonder if they thought the same about the Princess Blanket - but surely the owners have copyright of these items - would they have allowed someone else to market them.

by Anders 12.12.11 17:59

Gillyspot wrote:
It was certainly registered by the McCanns webmasters but is now not used.

Details below

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It's called cybersquatting

(or, preventing someone doing the same - now, ask yourself why would some budding entrepreneur w a n t that name - after all, it is associated with something horrendous up to and including murder)

Now

Also ask yourself why protect " the brand"

Because to me this all reeks of Tavistock type social engineering and therefore premeditation on someone's part

Down the line expect a marketing campaign for cuddlecat, similar to the yellow wrist bands of a famous cycler, incidentally now facing very serious charges over long term...

Maybe you'll get a microchip with each one!

It took nanoseconds to set up the 3.5m fund, and get all press cops sis etc on team McCann, someone has thought throughanaging the brand very carefully indeed

by happychick 12.12.11 18:03

And don't forget Ye Olde Online Good Quality Wristband Shoppe was set up in 2006. A year before Madeleine vanished into thin air.

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by Anders 12.12.11 18:12

Angelique wrote:LG78 said:

Well Someone lies then, cause the nanny working their said this in her statement

. The question made, she affirms that guests can request ?Staff" services where children are watched between 19H30 and 23H30. Madeleine McCanns parents never requested this service even though it was free;

And:

Stella quoted from Matt's Rogatory statement:
"were all going, oh perhaps we'll be the Billy no mates, the really unpopular ones will get stuck at the Millennium and we won't be able to, we won't be able to go out and visit our friends because we're not going to leave to go and see them and we won't be able to share child care and so it would be fairly difficult and it was a big issue because they couldn't guarantee, the couldn't allocate the rooms for us and they said it'll have to wait until you get in the resort but in the end it was sort of quite quiet and so they sort of could stick us really close together. I can't remember why I started talking about that?"

If you look at these two statements it says a. They didn't want strangers looking after their children and
They wanted rooms close together so they could share child care.

Why would they not want free child care with the same carers and for free ? Because they don't want "strangers" per se. I don't think they wanted anyone anywhere near their apartments - not at all.

Why would that be?

Also they wanted rooms close together so they can share child care - so we believe that meant they took turns to be sick and all children were left together in one room. Which meant all the other apartments were vacant every evening.

So we have nobody hanging around and vacant rooms.

My thinking too, and Goncalo's it would seem

Chech this Theory out at steel magnolia!

by Anders 12.12.11 18:18

happychick wrote:And don't forget Ye Olde Online Good Quality Wristband Shoppe was set up in 2006. A year before Madeleine vanished into thin air.

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Hi!

Not sure exactly what you mean

Does anyone have the Whois precise date the mccanns bought/registered the domain name

As regards lance Armstrong I really hope the allegations are not true, the
Man inspired to beat my own medical problems a few years back..

by Anders 12.12.11 18:24

TrollAng wrote:It was set up on Sat 26th May

Thanks

Three weeks to the day , give or take...

Be interesting to know what other domain names were registered !

by nomendelta 12.12.11 18:27

I think the cuddle cat website would have gone on the back-burner after the news of the dog tracing cadaverine on it. "The toy with added death scent" isn't exactly an alluring marketing ploy.

by happychick 12.12.11 18:28

Anders wrote:
TrollAng wrote:It was set up on Sat 26th May

Thanks

Three weeks to the day , give or take...

Be interesting to know what other domain names were registered !

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:
Gillyspot wrote:From the Infohost website

Madeleine McCann
The leading Highlands and Islands IT Specialists!

On
the 6th of May Infohost received a call from Philomena McCann,
Madeleine's aunt, asking if they would set up a website to help find her
neice. The website was setup that day as [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Is that the same website that was set up the year before Maddie 'disappeared'?

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by Anders 12.12.11 18:45

nomendelta wrote:I think the cuddle cat website would have gone on the back-burner after the news of the dog tracing cadaverine on it. "The toy with added death scent" isn't exactly an alluring marketing ploy.

Heh, don't underestimate Madison avenue! Pet rocks ...

by Anders 12.12.11 18:50

happychick wrote:
Anders wrote:
TrollAng wrote:It was set up on Sat 26th May

Thanks

Three weeks to the day , give or take...

Be interesting to know what other domain names were registered !

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:
Gillyspot wrote:From the Infohost website

Madeleine McCann
The leading Highlands and Islands IT Specialists!

On
the 6th of May Infohost received a call from Philomena McCann,
Madeleine's aunt, asking if they would set up a website to help find her
neice. The website was setup that day as [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Is that the same website that was set up the year before Maddie 'disappeared'?

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Posted by Get 'em on another thread

Wow !

Surely nobody could be that stupid, I see what you
Mean now about the yellow wristband copycatting...

Apologies for all my iPhone typing ...

by TrollAng 12.12.11 19:15

I've just been on the Actinic (online store) website. All of the store forms will be standard forms and the company name will come from some information field that's set up on the business settings so that should say "Find Madeleine Fund". I think it might take the year of installation which might be 2006 if Callum MacRae was already designing websites then it would make sense. Will do some research to confirm.

The dates for the websites according to Pamelam:

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16/05/07 [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
26/05/07 [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
29/05/07 [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

by **tigger** 27.02.14 12:23

happychick wrote:
Anders wrote:
TrollAng wrote:It was set up on Sat 26th May

Thanks

Three weeks to the day , give or take...

Be interesting to know what other domain names were registered !

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:
Gillyspot wrote:From the Infohost website

Madeleine McCann
The leading Highlands and Islands IT Specialists!

On
the 6th of May Infohost received a call from Philomena McCann,
Madeleine's aunt, asking if they would set up a website to help find her
neice. The website was setup that day as [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Is that the same website that was set up the year before Maddie 'disappeared'?

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Hadn't come across this before, it's easy to see how the date causes confusion.

However what strikes me here is the agressive method of selling.

In the first place the blessed thing is called a 'Fighting Fund' , to go with it we have the word 'campaign' for the T shirts.

This leads me to think that some very astute and experienced marketing advice was obtained - once again, I don't believe this happened after 3/5/07 but well before.
'Branding' the product, the unique coloboma - although registering the trademark could not really be done before 3/5/07.

:puke:

by russiandoll 27.02.14 15:32

Am confused Tigger, the explanation for the 2006 date is that it was the date that the young man set up a template, for future use but what for unknown, to be used 07 for the Maddie site? Is that it?

by **tigger** 27.02.14 17:04

russiandoll wrote:Am confused Tigger, the explanation for the 2006 date is that it was the date that the young man set up a template, for future use but what for unknown, to be used 07 for the Maddie site? Is that it?

Apparently, the 2006 refers to the date that the template was created by whichever commercial enterprise creates and sells templates. i believe they're often free.

It's confusing though to see 2006 before the findmadeleine site name.

I am not good with this sort of thing, I'm sure a brighter person than I here will explain. It may be that free templates are provided if you select a provider/server?

by canada12 27.02.14 17:11

tigger wrote:
russiandoll wrote:Am confused Tigger, the explanation for the 2006 date is that it was the date that the young man set up a template, for future use but what for unknown, to be used 07 for the Maddie site? Is that it?

Apparently, the 2006 refers to the date that the template was created by whichever commercial enterprise creates and sells templates. i believe they're often free.

It's confusing though to see 2006 before the findmadeleine site name.

I am not good with this sort of thing, I'm sure a brighter person than I here will explain. It may be that free templates are provided if you select a provider/server?

Free templates are available all over the internet - and have been for years. You don't need to have an ISP set up - you can create your website locally on your computer and then upload it to whatever server you're going to use with whatever ISP is going to host it. You can certainly choose an ISP after the fact. Creating a website is the same as creating any other kind of document - it's just a series of pages using coding, that you work on with a program like Dreamweaver, and once you've got the entire website created, you upload it to whatever ISP you've set up your contract with for hosting. If you have good website creation skills you can create a website from scratch, but it takes a lot longer than just using a ready-made template and adapting it for your own purposes.

Hope this helps!

Edited to add: If you wanted to get a website up and running quickly - as would likely be the case with the McCanns and the Madeleine thing, I suspect you'd use a template rather than having to go through a "build from scratch" process, which would involve a lot more testing (and a lot more skill!).

by **tigger** 27.02.14 17:14

However, i discovered another website set up by Jon Corner: findmadeleine org

Domain ID:D145995330-LROR
Domain Name:FINDMADELEINE.ORG
Created On:14-May-2007 14:31:24 UTC
Last Updated On:14-May-2009 16:18:36 UTC
Expiration Date:14-May-2010 14:31:24 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:tubK7bbqRl4gUa27
Registrant Name:Jon Corner
Registrant Organization:Jon Corner
Registrant Street1:82 Wood Street
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Liverpool
Registrant State/Province:Merseyside
Registrant Postal Code:L14DQ
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+44.1517080807
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:jon@river-media.comJon registered the findmadeleine.org domain - but doesn't use it. When I type [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the URL box I get nothing.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] gives me a lovely blue screen.

Eta: between about 03.00 and 07.00 there are 25 (or more) telephone calls and sms messages between Jon Corner and Kate.
On 4/5/07.

by canada12 27.02.14 17:22

tigger wrote:However, i discovered another website set up by Jon Corner: findmadeleine org

Domain ID:D145995330-LROR
Domain Name:FINDMADELEINE.ORG
Created On:14-May-2007 14:31:24 UTC
Last Updated On:14-May-2009 16:18:36 UTC
Expiration Date:14-May-2010 14:31:24 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:tubK7bbqRl4gUa27
Registrant Name:Jon Corner
Registrant Organization:Jon Corner
Registrant Street1:82 Wood Street
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Liverpool
Registrant State/Province:Merseyside
Registrant Postal Code:L14DQ
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+44.1517080807
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:jon@river-media.comJon registered the findmadeleine.org domain - but doesn't use it. When I type [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the URL box I get nothing.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] gives me a lovely blue screen.

Eta: between about 03.00 and 07.00 there are 25 (or more) telephone calls and sms messages betwee Jon Corner and Kate.
On 4/5/07.

Yes the findmadeleine.org URL expired on 14 May 2010 according to the above registration info. Not renewed after 14 May 2009, which is when it was last updated.

You have to register your URL before it can go live (there is a fee for registration). It was created on 14 May 2007, so it was active for at least two years and then allowed to lapse on the anniversary of the third year.

Can't remember the website and Wayback Machine doesn't have it archived.

by aiyoyo 27.02.14 18:00

tigger wrote:However, i discovered another website set up by Jon Corner: findmadeleine org

Domain ID:D145995330-LROR
Domain Name:FINDMADELEINE.ORG
Created On:14-May-2007 14:31:24 UTC
Last Updated On:14-May-2009 16:18:36 UTC
Expiration Date:14-May-2010 14:31:24 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:tubK7bbqRl4gUa27
Registrant Name:Jon Corner
Registrant Organization:Jon Corner
Registrant Street1:82 Wood Street
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Liverpool
Registrant State/Province:Merseyside
Registrant Postal Code:L14DQ
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+44.1517080807
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:jon@river-media.comJon registered the findmadeleine.org domain - but doesn't use it. When I type [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the URL box I get nothing.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] gives me a lovely blue screen.

Eta: between about 03.00 and 07.00 there are 25 (or more) telephone calls and sms messages between Jon Corner and Kate.
On 4/5/07.

The speed at which they set up the site is staggering.
It would mean thoughts going into the setting up of a site and name selections etc were already under discussion before the 14th.
11 days after Madeleine disappearance they already knew she was not going to be found for a very long time and that they are going to be needing a fighting fund.
Dodgy behavior like that is often associated to low life scammers out to make quick bucks .
Coming from a pair of middle-class doctors does not render it any less suspicious in fact more so.
It was clear from the outset the Fund was originally never intended for the search when uncle Brian announced it can be used for purpose of helping the Mccanns ie for paying legal fees.
Using fund for PI must be a hard decision for them knowing they are just throwing away money to no purpose where no return is possible. They must have been advised against being seen to use fund for self-serving purpose only rather than for Madeleine purpose.

by russiandoll 27.02.14 18:28

Thanks for the replies re templates. I am wondering though why one was downloaded in 2006 and not used for a year. It does seem odd to see the year 2006 mentioned.
Perhaps this guy downloaded a few and created various web sites and this was a spare that he used the following year.

Still strange to me but it is a subject I know nothing about.

by canada12 27.02.14 18:42

russiandoll wrote:Thanks for the replies re templates. I am wondering though why one was downloaded in 2006 and not used for a year. It does seem odd to see the year 2006 mentioned.
Perhaps this guy downloaded a few and created various web sites and this was a spare that he used the following year.

Still strange to me but it is a subject I know nothing about.

The template could have been created in 2006 and never updated, therefore it was out there to be downloaded from 2006 onwards. It's not unusual and not in the least suspicious, as far as I can see. They just basically grabbed a template that was created in 2006 and used it to make their own website in 2007.

I've created websites for myself and used templates that were created 2, 3 sometimes 4 years prior to the date I actually downloaded and used them. There are so many sites out there... here's one, for example:

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I think in 2006-2007 there were fewer choices for templates, but they were still out there :-)

by Guest 27.02.14 18:55

tigger wrote:However, i discovered another website set up by Jon Corner: findmadeleine org

Domain ID:D145995330-LROR
Domain Name:FINDMADELEINE.ORG
Created On:14-May-2007 14:31:24 UTC
Last Updated On:14-May-2009 16:18:36 UTC
Expiration Date:14-May-2010 14:31:24 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:tubK7bbqRl4gUa27
Registrant Name:Jon Corner
Registrant Organization:Jon Corner
Registrant Street1:82 Wood Street
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Liverpool
Registrant State/Province:Merseyside
Registrant Postal Code:L14DQ
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+44.1517080807
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:jon@river-media.comJon registered the findmadeleine.org domain - but doesn't use it. When I type [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the URL box I get nothing.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] gives me a lovely blue screen.

Eta: between about 03.00 and 07.00 there are 25 (or more) telephone calls and sms messages between Jon Corner and Kate.
On 4/5/07.

Hello Tigger,

How do you know, about these phone calls?

by **tigger** 27.02.14 18:59

aiyoyo wrote:
tigger wrote:However, i discovered another website set up by Jon Corner: findmadeleine org

Domain ID:D145995330-LROR
Domain Name:FINDMADELEINE.ORG
Created On:14-May-2007 14:31:24 UTC
Last Updated On:14-May-2009 16:18:36 UTC
Expiration Date:14-May-2010 14:31:24 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:tubK7bbqRl4gUa27
Registrant Name:Jon Corner
Registrant Organization:Jon Corner
Registrant Street1:82 Wood Street
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Liverpool
Registrant State/Province:Merseyside
Registrant Postal Code:L14DQ
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+44.1517080807
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:jon@river-media.comJon registered the findmadeleine.org domain - but doesn't use it. When I type [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the URL box I get nothing.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] gives me a lovely blue screen.

Eta: between about 03.00 and 07.00 there are 25 (or more) telephone calls and sms messages between Jon Corner and Kate.
On 4/5/07.

The speed at which they set up the site is staggering.
It would mean thoughts going into the setting up of a site and name selections etc were already under discussion before the 14th.
11 days after Madeleine disappearance they already knew she was not going to be found for a very long time and that they are going to be needing a fighting fund.
Dodgy behavior like that is often associated to low life scammers out to make quick bucks .
Coming from a pair of middle-class doctors does not render it any less suspicious in fact more so.
It was clear from the outset the Fund was originally never intended for the search when uncle Brian announced it can be used for purpose of helping the Mccanns ie for paying legal fees.
Using fund for PI must be a hard decision for them knowing they are just throwing away money to no purpose where no return is possible. They must have been advised against being seen to use fund for self-serving purpose only rather than for Madeleine purpose.

So it seems no less than 5 websites were set up in a very short time.

Bringmadeleinehome : 8th? The amateur site where they didn't spell her name right iirc
Findmadeleine.org 14th. By Jon Corner.
Findmadeleine.com 18th? Was this done to make it look more 'family' generated?
Them the two cuddlecat one of which was org.
Perhaps someone couldfind out who set up the cuddlecat websites? Would be interesting if that was JC again, since at the time he was director of Keeko something, also dealing in toys.
Jon Corner was said to have bought cuddlecat for Maddie.

What I get out of the above sequence is a commercial enterprise closely linked to Maddie by the CC.
Once again, hardly a spur of the moment idea imo, especially as the manufacturer of CC isn't known?

I think that CC, like Kate in a swimsuit on the beach, was taken off the wider agenda by a moderating agency such as a PR firm.

by j.rob 01.03.14 14:29

The cynicism of this whole 'campaign' is just sickening. It is so difficult to understand the mind-sets of the McCanns and those who have chosen to turn a blind eye to their culpability in 'losing' their child and then turning into a mass media and marketing campaign. Not to mention eliciting public money to defend their version of events.

A version of events that they claim is the 'truth' - despite the paradox that they cannot know what happened to Madeleine unless they were there when it happened or were complicit in some way in what happened.

So why is it okay for the McCAnns to peddle their story, which is not believable, and then have the temerity to sue people who point out that what they have said doesn't make any sense?

Using public money.

by kimHager 12.06.14 15:45

Who in their right mind would go on holiday for weeks ie no car etc AND 3 toddlers with no buggies??? Twins no less always seem to havethe double stroller.I have 3 kids under 5 and I used to walk to get groceries and NEVER did I go without a stroller. If they were jogging logically they would have buggies but alas like the sports bag its only when convenient LOL

by ROSA 12.09.15 16:48

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]In this clip if it works I notice on the right side a twin stroller but I thought the McCann's did not take one to Portugal