Dating The Photos

by Lance De Boils 01.01.13 17:10

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JUNE 2005; Maddie = 2 yrs 1 Month

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Twins aged abt 4-5 months, therefore JUNE-JULY 2005; Maddie = abt 2 yrs 2 months [?]

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Majorca; SEP 2005; Maddie = 2 yrs 4 mo

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Twins' ages (from video & pics) abt 10 mo, therefore Xmas 2005, Maddie = 2 yrs 7 mo.
[This pic was taken in their old house in Queniborough. (McCanns moved to Rothley Jan 2006)]

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This also appears to be old house, therefore Xmas 2005. Maddie 2 yrs 7 mo.

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Twins abt 1 yr, therefore abt Feb 2006; Maddie = 2 yrs 9 mo

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Twins appear about 15 months, so about May 2006. [Rothley house.] Maddie = abt 3 yrs.

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New house so after Jan 2006. Summer clothes? Summer 2006? Cake has names "Sean & Amelie": Twins' christening?
If so, Maddie abt 3 yrs 2 mo?

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Xmas 2006. Twins 1yr 10 mo, Maddie = 3yrs 7 mo

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Clothes suggest Xmas. If so, then Xmas2006/Jan 2007

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Abt Jan 2007?

Note: Amelie is also pictured wearing the same top as above AFTER returning from PDL in Sep 2007.

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CAPTION?

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Easter Sunday 2007 was 8th April, so this must have been early April 2007.

NOTE: Amelie is wearing the same pink shoes that Madeleine was holding up in the "stair gate video".

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13th April 2007 [Hatton Country World Park]

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by Lance De Boils 01.01.13 18:20

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This also appears to be old house, therefore Xmas 2005. Maddie 2 yrs 7 mo.

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Twins about 1 yr, therefore about Feb 2006; Maddie = 2 yrs 9 mo

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New house so after Jan 2006. Summer clothes? Summer 2006? Cake has names "Sean & Amelie": Twins' christening?
If so, Maddie about 3 yrs 2 mo?

by Lance De Boils 01.01.13 18:35

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Xmas 2006. Twins 1yr 10 mo, Maddie = 3yrs 7 mo

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Clothes suggest Xmas. If so, then Xmas 2006

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Abt Jan 2007?
Note: Amelie is also pictured wearing the same top as above AFTER returning from PDL in Sep 2007.

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by Lance De Boils 01.01.13 18:58

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Easter Sunday 2007 was 8th April, so this must have been early April 2007.
NOTE: Amelie is wearing the same pink shoes that Madeleine was holding up in the "stair gate video".

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13th April 2007 [Hatton Country World Park]

by Lance De Boils 01.01.13 19:43

If anyone wants to put more pics here, with estimated dates, please do. I'll then try and incorporate them into one chronological timeline of pics.

by Guest 01.01.13 23:30

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This also appears to be old house, therefore Xmas 2005. Maddie 2 yrs 7 mo.

This one was put out as being December 2006 - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - but the year before does seem more likely to me.

That was the Christmas when Madeleine was at her paternal grandmother's house and some people think she was there on her own but this shows otherwise, if the date is correct.

Perhaps someone with children aged nearly one or two can estimate how old the twins were then.

by dragonfly 01.01.13 23:57

Jean wrote:
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This also appears to be old house, therefore Xmas 2005. Maddie 2 yrs 7 mo.

This one was put out as being December 2006 - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - but the year before does seem more likely to me.

That was the Christmas when Madeleine was at her paternal grandmother's house and some people think she was there on her own but this shows otherwise, if the date is correct.

Perhaps someone with children aged nearly one or two can estimate how old the twins were then.

kids are all different heights builds ect , but the way they walk compared with toddlers I know I would say shy of two years around/aprox 20 months

by Guest 02.01.13 0:01

They would either have been almost 11 or 23 months, so by your estimate Dragonfly, this would make December 2006 correct.

by **tigger** 02.01.13 7:14

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Xmas 2006. Twins 1yr 10 mo, Maddie = 3yrs 7 mo
This one I think is more likely Christmas 2005 twins at 11 months could just about pull themselves upright.

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Clothes suggest Xmas. If so, then Xmas 2006
It's the same dress in the poster photo which I estimate at 3 yrs old max. Amelie could be 1 yr and a bit. so not Christmas, but around febr/march 2006.

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Abt Jan 2007?
Note: Amelie is also pictured wearing the same top as above AFTER returning from PDL in Sep 2007.

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I find it very noticeable that Maddie is a 'non participator' in a lot of pictures.
In the one where she is behind the twins, Amelie is looking at Sean, not at Maddie who must be making a noise.
In the Donegal photo she is not looking at the lens (but then that one has her head pasted on) . In the family photos she is not included in the
'pyramid' shape of the parents and twins, neither is she positioned on the ground in the centre. She isn't touching anyone and off to one side, I've seen two of those.
The one with the red dress (and the wig imo) is one of the few where she is interacting.

When one takes photographs of any two or three people, the camera is usually the focus of attention. There is also always a 'group' structure, e.g. the smallest will be at the front and small children will be held so that they stay still.
If Lance decided to take a photograph of me, a friend and say two children, the friend and I would be at the back, holding the shoulders or arms of the children, of getting down nearer the level of the children so we are a little group.

If one photographed the cluster of children on the rocks, you'd say something to make them all look at the lens.
For that reason alone, the pool photo is so suspect. Nobody is interacting except Gerry.

by Lance De Boils 06.01.13 2:40

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Xmas 2006. Twins 1yr 10 mo, Maddie = 3yrs 7 mo
This one I think is more likely Christmas 2005 twins at 11 months could just about pull themselves upright.

Clothes suggest Xmas. If so, then Xmas 2006
It's the same dress in the poster photo which I estimate at 3 yrs old max. Amelie could be 1 yr and a bit. so not Christmas, but around febr/march 2006.

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Abt Jan 2007?
Note: Amelie is also pictured wearing the same top as above AFTER returning from PDL in Sep 2007.

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Hi Tigger.

I disagree. Here's another shot of the same Xmas (I put as Xmas 2006), which is in their Rothley house. (They moved there at the beginning of 2006):

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And here's another of the one I put at Xmas 2005:

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You can see more clearly how much the twins have grown when comparing these 2 pics. Are you with me now, Tigger?

by Lance De Boils 06.01.13 4:02

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JUNE 2005; Maddie = 2 yrs 1 Month

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Twins aged abt 4-5 months, therefore JUNE-JULY 2005; Maddie = abt 2 yrs 2 months [?]

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Majorca; SEP 2005; Maddie = 2 yrs 4 mo

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Twins' ages (from video & pics) abt 10 mo, therefore Xmas 2005, Maddie = 2 yrs 7 mo.
[This pic was taken in their old house in Queniborough. (McCanns moved to Rothley Jan 2006)]

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This also appears to be old house, therefore Xmas 2005. Maddie 2 yrs 7 mo.

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Twins abt 1 yr, therefore abt Feb 2006; Maddie = 2 yrs 9 mo

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Twins appear about 15 months, so about May 2006. [Rothley house.] Maddie = abt 3 yrs.

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New house so after Jan 2006. Summer clothes? Summer 2006? Cake has names "Sean & Amelie": Twins' christening?
If so, Maddie abt 3 yrs 2 mo?

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Xmas 2006. Twins 1yr 10 mo, Maddie = 3yrs 7 mo

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Clothes suggest Xmas. If so, then Xmas2006/Jan 2007

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Abt Jan 2007?
Note: Amelie is also pictured wearing the same top as above AFTER returning from PDL in Sep 2007.

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Easter Sunday 2007 was 8th April, so this must have been early April 2007.
NOTE: Amelie is wearing the same pink shoes that Madeleine was holding up in the "stair gate video".

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13th April 2007 [Hatton Country World Park]

by Lance De Boils 23.10.13 13:10

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JUNE 2005; Maddie = 2 yrs 1 Month

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Twins aged abt 4-5 months, therefore JUNE-JULY 2005; Maddie = abt 2 yrs 2 months [?]

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Majorca; SEP 2005; Maddie = 2 yrs 4 mo

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Twins' ages (from video & pics) abt 10 mo, therefore Xmas 2005, Maddie = 2 yrs 7 mo.
[This pic was taken in their old house in Queniborough. (McCanns moved to Rothley Jan 2006)]

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This also appears to be old house, therefore Xmas 2005. Maddie 2 yrs 7 mo.

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Date? Twins appear approx 11 months, so est. Jan/Feb 2006
[Note Madeleine's top. Could this be the same as the one she's wearing in the pony picture? Can anyone get a better res of the pony pic?]

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Twins abt 1 yr, therefore abt Feb 2006; Maddie = 2 yrs 9 mo

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Twins appear about 15 months, so about May 2006. [Rothley house.] Maddie = abt 3 yrs.

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New house so after Jan 2006. Summer clothes? Summer 2006? Cake has names "Sean & Amelie": Twins' christening?
If so, Maddie abt 3 yrs 2 mo?

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Xmas 2006. Twins 1yr 10 mo, Maddie = 3yrs 7 mo (NOT Xmas 2005 - see above photo to compare twins' sizes/hair growth.)

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Clothes and hair length suggest Xmas. If so, then Xmas2006/Jan 2007. (NOT Xmas 2005 - see above photos to compare twins' sizes/hair growth.)

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Abt Jan 2007?
Note: Amelie is also pictured wearing the same top as above AFTER returning from PDL in Sep 2007 (see below.)

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Date? Est. Jan 2007

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Date? Est. Jan 2007.
NOTE: Sean is wearing the same top as in Sep 2007 (see below)

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Date? Madeleine's hair longer, so estimate March 2007?
NOTE: Amelie is wearing the same top in Oct 2007, after returning from PDL.

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Easter Sunday 2007 was 8th April, so this must have been early April 2007.
NOTE: Amelie is wearing the same pink shoes that Madeleine was holding up in the "stair gate video" (see above).

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13th April 2007 [Hatton Country World Park]

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September 2007
NOTE: Amelie is wearing the same top as above (est. Jan 2007)

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September 2007
NOTE: Sean wearing the same top as above (est. Jan 2007)

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October 2007

by joyce1938 23.10.13 13:28

I don't think these sandels / shoes were same ones as maddies ,hers were more open ones I believe ,and look at size of feet? quite I can see ,maddie different sizes also the pic before with sole side only looks a lot bigger joyce 1938

by Lance De Boils 23.10.13 14:07

joyce1938 wrote:I don't think these sandels / shoes were same ones as maddies ,hers were more open ones I believe ,and look at size of feet? quite I can see ,maddie different sizes also the pic before with sole side only looks a lot bigger joyce 1938

I and others compared better shots of those pink shoes side by side. They appear identical. Even got the same scuff marks. I'll find better pics when I get the time.

by Ayniia 23.10.13 14:27

I never noticed this before and I'm watching the pictures on my mobile but what's up with Madeleine hands on that last Donegal picture?

by Prehensile 23.10.13 14:54

Ayniia wrote:I never noticed this before and I'm watching the pictures on my mobile but what's up with Madeleine hands on that last Donegal picture?

Looks like she has something like a skin coloured scrunchie round her wrist making it look odd.

by joyce1938 23.10.13 15:58

yes lnce de boils I hear what you say ,I too have been mulling over the sandels /shoes. the ones mad wore on tennis pitch were real sandels backs out and toes out too . I think the ones she wore in Ireland with cousins were more like shoes,maybe both girls had matching ones same colour? just a memory .I think ? joyce1938

by Lance De Boils 23.10.13 19:17

Joyce, I think we might have our wires crossed.

The pink shoes I was referring to are the ones Madeleine is holding in the "stairgate" video.
In the Donegal picture, it is Amelie wearing them, not Madeleine.
Compare:
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Can anyone find a clearer still image of the pink shoes in the video? Can somebody far cleverer than me do close ups of those and the shoes Amelie is wearing in the Donegal pic and put them side-by-side? Pretty please?

by joyce1938 24.10.13 11:45

Yes lance de boils ,thanks for your reply to me . I see what you mean ,yes same colour and type of pink shoes. I found the time it was spoken of by Mrs m. was after she was disappeared and it meant the twin was then wearing mads shoes,at that stage surely they would not fit smaller child at that age of around 2 years ? do you see what I mean ? sorry if I have confused this joyce1938

by Angelique 24.10.13 16:04

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Sorry about the size.

But who thinks this was the trip '07 and if so is it really Madeleine?

Are there other pictures of Madeleine with a side parting this low down.

by joyce1938 24.10.13 16:13

The picture of maddie sat on settee with grandparents ? or the twins too ? her hair looks much darker and to one side like it had parted that way or combed that way joyce1938

by juliet 24.10.13 20:02

Thank you very much for this Lance de boil. I think the photos hold the key to the mystery. The twins seem almost as old in the photos with granny about six months on. And why is she always looking the wrong way?
I have always doubted the Christmas 2007 pics. How does that Madeleine match the Madeleine of the Everton shirt pics? Hair just doesn't grow that fast.

by juliet 24.10.13 20:07

I found something really strange in the Icke forum. A photo of Kate McCann as a girl of about ten is definitely photoshopped. It is obvious her face has been pasted on another girl's head! Sorry I don't know how to move photos etc. It is on Today News forum.

by Lance De Boils 25.10.13 20:46

juliet wrote:I found something really strange in the Icke forum. A photo of Kate McCann as a girl of about ten is definitely photoshopped. It is obvious her face has been pasted on another girl's head! Sorry I don't know how to move photos etc. It is on Today News forum.

Have you got a link to the page?

by Guest 25.10.13 20:48

See the Anyone For Scraps? topic, Lance.

by 56cheffy 02.01.16 16:56

New house so after Jan 2006. Summer clothes? Summer 2006? Cake has names "Sean & Amelie": Twins' christening?
If so, Maddie abt 3 yrs 2 mo?

Are they the trousers the dogs alerted too?

by Google.Gaspar.Statements 02.01.16 18:51

They certainly are the same trousers.

She wore them a lot, even after they were made arguidos and 'got out of dodge' followed by the paps who didn't alert the cops that their prime suspects were on the run.

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Not only did the cops let them have the stinky car back, but also her stinky trousers and stinky cuddlecat.

by Lance De Boils 18.10.20 11:31

I've got as far as finding several of the missing photos with captions, but this is proving nigh on impossible using an ancient laptop and a mobile phone.

I could email them to someone. Anyone interested / interested in helping? I will need to merge what I've got with the pictures and captions that still exist on this thread.

I'm frustrated with my crappy "technology."

by Guest 18.10.20 13:24

Lance de Boils,

I thought we'd already sorted all this out. I've already suggested you initiate a new thread by uploading photographs afresh so this defunct thread can be deleted.

I also said, as the photographs were originally copied from the mccannfiles, now hosted by pamalam at gerrymccannsblog, you can again copy over following Jill Havern's tutorial posted-up some time ago. You have been offered any help we can give.

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No need for old clapped-out computers, or email exchanges - just follow the advice previously given. It's a very simple procedure.