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emilyb3 wrote:@zodiac
How do they know CC was never forwarded to Birmingham? How do they know that the instruction Mr Grime gave was ignored?

if it was wouldn't the results have been in the fss report?

"there is no mention of cuddle-cat. It was never forwarded to Birmingham. Grime’s instruction was ignored."


How do they know CC was never forwarded to Birmingham? How do they know that the instruction Mr Grime gave was ignored? How do we know if the CC that KM carried around after the sniffer dogs alerted is the same CC? Two sisters could each have had a CC. The CC in the cupboard could have been sent for testing. The results may not have been released (just like all of the dogs video was not released) and the PJ could perhaps still have that CC. The McCanns do not have all of the polices files! So how would they know?


emilyb3, in my original post (above) I mention perhaps the full report may not have been released. IIRC all the video of the dogs alerting has not been released either such as irrc Keela the CSI dog helping to locate the tiles which were to be lifted for forensic testing. Even if CC was not forwarded to Birmingham it does necessarily mean the instruction by Mr Grime was ignored. Perhaps the alerted CC was retained for evidence? Perhaps it is still retained . Even if CC was not forwarded it does not mean that Eddie did not signal cadver. IIRC the CSI dog did not alert to CC therefore if CC was not sent to Birmingham perhaps that is the reason why. One wonders if perhaps the Portuguese could still have the cadaver CC. Why is CC not being carted around the way CC was in Portugal? Hmm wonder if CC will now take to the stage again? IIRC the PJ copied KM's diary. Were those copies released with the files?


Martin Grime and Eddie and Keela



“Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog?”
The dogs were not taught any “tricks”.EVRD “signalled” the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic35.html

http://madeleine-writingthewrongs.com/2011/02/23/let%E2%80%99s-find-her/

LET'S FIND HER

My belief is that there is a huge likelihood that in some way Madeleine’s abductors will conform to the behaviour of other abductors of successfully recovered children e.g. (from currently limited knowledge but I am on the case with researching this subject much more deeply)

1. There is a tendency for children to be held remarkably close to where they were taken.

2. Often they have been exposed to public view.

3. In retrospect, neighbours/colleagues/associates all comment on ‘odd’ elements they’d noted regarding the case, but hadn’t necessarily reported or pushed the point on.

4. The child taken had tried to communicate the fact to strangers that they were being held or trapped or in one or two instances had seen coverage regarding their own abduction.

Surely this means that with a bit of research this blog can help to communicate a) how incredibly possible it is to find and get Madeleine back b) how perfectly possible it is that anyone can actually help c) that if anyone with doubts should act now rather than regret later and d) sometimes cries for help can be missed or dismissed

Watch this space, I can see already it makes for interesting reading.



'My belief is that there is a huge likelihood that in some way Madeleine’s abductors will conform to the behaviour of other abductors of successfully recovered children e.g. (from currently limited knowledge but I am on the case with researching this subject much more deeply)'

What on earth do they mean?

Their rants are getting increasingly bizarre

http://madeleine-writingthewrongs.com/2011/02/28/community-charge/

COMMUNITY CHARGE

I was reading the BBC news site the other day and noticed an article relating to an exhibition of photography around London over the ages. The first image – which is the only one relevant to this blog – was of one of three children, all of them no more than five years old, taken in 1892. The threesome are sat on the edge of a kerb, two have no shoes on, all are pretty grubby and certainly not in the immediate care of an adult. In the background of the shot there is a ladder, seemingly randomly leaned against a wall. I bet no-one told them not to climb that ladder in case it toppled, I bet no-one told them not to walk about barefoot in case of injuring their feet, I bet no-one had to tell them to stay close, not get lost, come home before dark, not miss tea. I bet all of this because no-one expected any of it to be otherwise. I certainly bet no one expected them to be abducted by a stranger.

I’ll bet that if any one of the dangers that could have befallen them had done so – and pray God they didn’t – one thing that wouldn’t have happened was that the parents would have been blamed. The community would have pulled together, someone would have helped them, tended them, got them home, taken them in and sent someone to find their folks. I’ll bet that those children felt safe, that their parents knew they weren’t alone, that if anyone tried to take or harm their children, the community (be it street, village, town, city, county, country or continent) would have sided with the parents and turned against the offenders and done all in their power to right any wrong.

So what happened in the case of Madeleine? and why isn’t the ‘community’ (be it street, village, town, city, county, country, continent) able to influence the powers that be, to right the wrong?

Help them. Sign the petition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/madeleinemccann_case_review/



Does anyone know when they intend to hand their 'petition' in?

Tony, not sure if you have seen it but your name is on page 1.

Some of the comments on the McCanns petition are very worrying.

"Comments: PLEASE do all you can for this child and her family.

I would gladly give up my own life to save her, that's how strong I feel.

littlepixie wrote:Some of the comments on the McCanns petition are very worrying.

"Comments: PLEASE do all you can for this child and her family.

I would gladly give up my own life to save her, that's how strong I feel.

One would like to say that we have increasingly bizarre situation. However, everything to do with this case has been most bizarre since the very beginning.

There appears to be a number of people involved in this case who are prepared to die in the name of it.
It would therefore be interesting to find out if they all share the same psychiatrists and hospital ward. Or is it the case that those with dubious shared interests are just simply trying to protect each other?

Autumn wrote:

Their rants are getting increasingly bizarre

http://madeleine-writingthewrongs.com/2011/02/28/community-charge/

COMMUNITY CHARGE

I was reading the BBC news site the other day and noticed an article relating to an exhibition of photography around London over the ages. The first image – which is the only one relevant to this blog – was of one of three children, all of them no more than five years old, taken in 1892. The threesome are sat on the edge of a kerb, two have no shoes on, all are pretty grubby and certainly not in the immediate care of an adult. In the background of the shot there is a ladder, seemingly randomly leaned against a wall. I bet no-one told them not to climb that ladder in case it toppled, I bet no-one told them not to walk about barefoot in case of injuring their feet, I bet no-one had to tell them to stay close, not get lost, come home before dark, not miss tea. I bet all of this because no-one expected any of it to be otherwise. I certainly bet no one expected them to be abducted by a stranger.

I’ll bet that if any one of the dangers that could have befallen them had done so – and pray God they didn’t – one thing that wouldn’t have happened was that the parents would have been blamed. The community would have pulled together, someone would have helped them, tended them, got them home, taken them in and sent someone to find their folks. I’ll bet that those children felt safe, that their parents knew they weren’t alone, that if anyone tried to take or harm their children, the community (be it street, village, town, city, county, country or continent) would have sided with the parents and turned against the offenders and done all in their power to right any wrong.

So what happened in the case of Madeleine? and why isn’t the ‘community’ (be it street, village, town, city, county, country, continent) able to influence the powers that be, to right the wrong?

Help them. Sign the petition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/madeleinemccann_case_review/



Does anyone know when they intend to hand their 'petition' in?

Tony, not sure if you have seen it but your name is on page 1, probably put there by Nessling or Upshon as their names are on same page.

The above from ranting the wrongs sounds likes r/pops drivel. I hope the above is not a taster of the up and coming book content.


that is what the McCanns are linking to via iirc their site, FB and twitter! Poor MBM let down on holiday by her parents, still being let down by her parents!

Judge Mental wrote:

littlepixie wrote:Some of the comments on the McCanns petition are very worrying.

"Comments: PLEASE do all you can for this child and her family.

I would gladly give up my own life to save her, that's how strong I feel.

One would like to say that we have increasingly bizarre situation. However, everything to do with this case has been most bizarre since the very beginning.

There appears to be a number of people involved in this case who are prepared to die in the name of it.
It would therefore be interesting to find out if they all share the same psychiatrists and hospital ward. Or is it the case that those with dubious shared interests are just simply trying to protect each other?

Someone needs to inform the person who would give up their own life to save her that the mysteriously disappeared child's parents can re-open the case. The parents can re-open it however the faketition cannot no matter how many signatures false or otherwise!

WHY ARE THERE SUCH PEOPLE?


As we know, the McCanns have started a petition asking for an Independent Review of Madeleine’s case.

Here is the link – http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/madeleinemccann_case_review/

At the time of writing this there are 45,614 signatures with hopefully more to come. There are also the paper petition signatures to add to this figure.

Personally I am shocked that it is up to Madeleine’s parents to initiate a review. A British citizen, a small child, is missing – no official body in either Portugal or the UK is looking for her.

Incredibly sad to note that in an attempt by some people to add to the McCann family pain and distress, certain quarters are trying to ruin this petition. On their “forums”, and on Twitter, they make false claims regarding duplicate or fake signatures. Now I KNOW first hand from people involved that this petition is scrupulously checked and any anomalies or repeats when obvious are deleted. This wording actually appears on the petition: “Duplicate signatures from the same person/email address will be deleted from the petition before it is finalized.”

In fact I would hope that the people who sign on behalf of their whole family would encourage them to go and sign individually. I have seen this a few times and think some signatures are “lost” this way.

It confuses me as to why unkind people want to try and damage this petition? They say they want justice – well, don’t we all? We all want to know what happened to little Madeleine McCann and by whom. Madeleine’s family want this more than any of us.

To my, and many others way of thinking -the best way forward is to achieve an independent review, which in turn could hopefully lead to a re-opening of the investigation into finding and bringing Madeleine back home where she belongs.

My question is: Why are these heartless people trying to sabotage this attempt to get things moving? I just don’t understand their warped thinking.

Please, if you haven’t already done so – sign this Petition and encourage others to sign and pass on.

http://madeleine-writingthewrongs.com/2011/03/02/why-are-there-such-people/

Could these blogs have been set up and maintained by a group of people? The book "Incompetence or corruption" was written on behalf of the team if I remember correctly.

Here is Upshon on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1062079610

Notice his contact details:

Contact Information

Website

http://thedeucecoupe.blogspot.com/ http://amaralfiction.blogspot.com/ http://madeleine-writingthewrongs.com/

If he is not the author of the blog, he is probably involved in maintaining it.

sharonl wrote:Could these blogs have been set up and maintained by a group of people? The book "Incompetence or corruption" was written on behalf of the team if I remember correctly.

Here is Upshon on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1062079610

Notice his contact details:

Contact Information

Website

http://thedeucecoupe.blogspot.com/ http://amaralfiction.blogspot.com/ http://madeleine-writingthewrongs.com/

If he is not the author of the blog, he is probably involved in maintaining it.

Certainly seems that way as the site is listed on his FB contact details. And we know that Upshon has worked closely with Nessling with his other blog, 'Madeleine: A Destiny Begun' its a fair bet they are both involved.

I know that I have posted this once before but I thought that I may help to establish the link between Upshon and Nessling.

Modnrodders is an entusiasts car club, apparrently run by Adrian Upshon and Nigel Nessling

http://www.modsandrodders.co.uk/club.htm


Welcome to the Mods’n’rodders non-conformist car club!

Writing of the Wrongs Update - 15th March 2011


FIVE DEGREES OF SEPARATION, SOCIAL MEDIA AND HOW THINGS CHANGE


Through the course of our work my husband and I meet lots of ‘new’ people. The yellow and yellow and green wrist bands that we always wear to signify our support for the search for Madeleine sometimes (sadly less now than in the earlier days) generate interest and offer up an opportunity to remind people that Madeleine is still missing.

There is no proof that she is anything other than missing, therefore there is a huge chance that she is still alive and living somewhere: Possibly somewhere near you, and very possibly with someone with whom you have a connection…

Remember the saying there is only ever Five Degrees of Separation? I remember playing it with my niece years ago, we would name a celebrity, politician or otherwise famous name and work out how we might be connected to them and how many ‘degrees’ of separation it took to get to them. Often you only needed one good connection to make all the others possible. Personally – though this is supposition rather than based on any evidence – I suspect that connections are reducing their ‘degree-age’ all the time, even I can now get to Barack Obama in four. This is in the main down to knowing who our own connections are connected to and through the phenomenon that is the internet suddenly having much more knowledge of our connections and or connections’ connections than ever before. Social Media networking for business and pleasure gives us more insight than ever about who we’re connected to, linked with, associated with. And also how easy we are to find, target, celebrate, congratulate or even abuse.

This is great in our celebrity obsessed world, fun when we’re showing off to young relatives and conversely chilling when we realise how connected we are to more dubious or infamous characters. Try the same game in reverse, with high profile criminals as the targets and you might be surprised to find yourself almost as easily connected. Sadly I find I can get to Jeffrey Epstein (someone I’d never heard of until this week) in three – less than Barack Obama. It’s been a topical issue this week, sometimes when you’re connected, even loosely or distantly with the high life, you’re often unwittingly connected with the lowlife too.

For the family and network of friends connected to Madeleine McCann – who can never give hope until given a clear reason to do so, it means that a link or lead into the world of the person that took Madeleine away from her family, is tantalizingly close. Probably less than five degrees of separation away from being re-connected… It sounds so simple. Can you help? At the least add to the numbers looking with the most connections of all? Just sign the petition at the link below to get those most officially connected, back on the case:


http://madeleine-writingthewrongs.com/2011/03/15/five-degrees-of-separation-social-media-and-how-things-change/

Whoever wrote that needs to see a shrink

Does this mean that I am connected to the McCanns ? My Mum, God rest her soul, would be most annoyed with me for the company I was involved in if this is the case.

Blog - from April 14th -The writing of the wrongs

OK, I’ll keep this short and sweet. I am getting more and more irritated and infuriated by being constantly told I need to read the files. Every time I go onto anywhere on the web that allows people from both sides of the argument to post together, such as newspaper comments section, and I make a comment in support of Kate and Gerry I get replies like, “You need to read the files, they are very illuminating.” Or, “Check the files, then you wouldn’t be so keen to support a couple of child murderers.” Well, for the information of all those who parrot this phrase over and over, I HAVE read the files, VERY carefully. Also the rogatory interviews, the Gaspar statements and a ton of other stuff to do with the case.

And guess what? It all leads me to the inevitable and inarguable conclusion that the Portuguese Attorney General, a man who has forgotten far more about the due process of the law than all of us keyboard warriors ever knew, was RIGHT. There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Kate or Gerry ever committed any crime that night, which in itself leads me to another inescapable conclusion. All of those people, all the McCann critics who have ever told ME to read the files have clearly and obviously NOT read the files themselves. Perhaps it is because they are so over-confident in their belief that the McCanns are guilty of something that they have utterly convinced themselves that there MUST be something incriminating somewhere in the files, so it is not necessary for them to read them but it is vital that us supporters do, so as to educate us to the ‘Truth.’ This, on their part, is either the very heights of arrogance or the very depths of stupidity, though I am not quite sure which.

So, can all those critics of the McCanns who continually tell people like me to read the files please do me a favour. YOU read them, because you are quite right, they ARE very illuminating.

dragonfly wrote:There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Kate or Gerry ever committed any crime that night

Did they not leave 3 children alone that night? Is that not a crime? If not, then why are other people in jail for doing the same?

[quote="Wendy"]

dragonfly wrote:There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Kate or Gerry ever committed any crime that night

Did they not leave 3 children alone that night? Is that not a crime? If not, then why are other people in jail for doing the same?[/quote

Mccanns admitted most nights they were left

nspcc website - Neglect involves failure to meet a child's needs that does or could harm the child.
That explains the constant quote of 'There is no suggestion that Madeleine has come to any harm'

[quote="dragonfly"]

Wendy wrote:

dragonfly wrote:There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Kate or Gerry ever committed any crime that night

Did they not leave 3 children alone that night? Is that not a crime? If not, then why are other people in jail for doing the same?[/quote

Mccanns admitted most nights they were left

nspcc website - Neglect involves failure to meet a child's needs that does or could harm the child.
That explains the constant quote of 'There is no suggestion that Madeleine has come to any harm'

She's apparently with a friggin' paedophile isn't she? What's he supposed to be doing with her? You McCann supporters make me sick to my stomach.

Hi Wendy,

Gerry McCann once described his daughter's disappearance as "The situation she finds herself in."
See, it's Madeleine's fault, not her parents'.

Of course it was Madeleine's fault. She was the babysitter! At just under 4 years old she was the designated child minder who was left in charge of two babies even whilst under the influence of drugs herself.

Madeleine failed abysmally. No wonder she found herself in a situation with paedophiles.

Kate and Gerry McCann, please don't think that we will ever go away until Madeleine's 'paedophile' is behind bars.

'What moves Gonçalo Amaral: dispair ou craziness?'

“Kate needs to blame others for what happened to her daughter, at least, as a result of his gross negligence.”
Sadly, only an hideous man like Amaral could emerge with such an absurd idea.

' What torments Gonçalo Amaral?'

The inspector did not find the two missing children under his ‘responsibility’, but he claims that he is now an expert on the subject – in fact, he knows everything about children that disappeared! And he cries that the first 24 hours are critical in such cases – says the man who dismissed the case and went to bed, leaving the crime scene to everyone that would go in and out, says the man that hadn’t considered by any chance to closer the borders everywhere.
who writes this crap?

More sad than Gonçalo Amaral, only the one that aloud him to wander around, repeating such great hoaxes.


Gonçalo Amaral was an investigator of the Portuguese Police, a police force with proven expertise.

Gonçalo Amaral took advantage of that experience perceived. He used as he owned that experience.

He was, probably, a victim of the Peter’s Principle and was “promoted to his level of incompetence”, as he worked at least in two cases of missing children, to name only the most recent, where he was not able to finish it as he couldn’t find any of those children or at least effectively prove what might could had happened to them.

He was not even able to project a credible scenario, which could be proven

Unfortunately, this neglect has been the success that allowed the abduction of Madeleine and her removal from where she belong – with her family.
what??? they are blaming him for her 'abduction'?

Having them the opportunity to read the book, journalists now can realize the damage. The vain accusations. Then can perceive now the ‘weight of the evil’ they helped create. And, as they were defrauded by Gonçalo Amaral, the journalists have neither space, nor patience probably, for the former inspector. Maybe now the balance of the information arises. Perhaps they are prepared to dismantle the lies trumpeted by Gonçalo Amaral. The former inspector who can’t investigate or doesn’t have a clue about coordinating. The one that as too little from a policeman.

is this not libelous ?

Read Kate's book: everyone is to blame for everything, St Kate is the victim the martyr.

A true sociopath.

The latest offerings from Kate's friend/s at the wotw, link provided by official FB page

from rioters to this make of it what you will
quote
'I’m loathed to give any more publicity to an opinionated, self–serving blogger whose 15 minutes of fame are hubristically extended only by virtue of social media, but note that epetitions can work both ways. It is as much an indicator of public support by virtue of high numbers as a demonstration of the lack of it when it is supported only by a tiny number of time-wasting people who may not have thought things through.

Those who initiate a senseless epetition and claim it to be supported by the government are at best pushing the boundaries of truth in the first instance, but are, one sincerely hopes, destined for a fall when they discover that their support comes from a disillusioned minority who have barely been able to consider the facts, let alone conclude that their actions do nothing to contribute to finding a missing young girl and bring the perpetrators of her abduction to justice.

http://madeleine-writingthewrongs.com/2011/08/29/riots-moral-collapse-and-epetitions/

responses
Justine Spencer Says:
Yes indeed. Those who are without investigative degrees, long term police careers and access to the facts would be better served pursuing other less damaging hobbies. Tea dances
are quite popular at this time of year.

Claire Says:
I think the author of this piece gives these people too much credit. Pushing the boundaries of truth is an understatement. These people lie to support their idiotic theories. They then post them all over the Web and then spout that they are the truth. Just because someone else repeated it. Repeating a lie still doesn’t make it true.
As for finding Madeleine…none of these people want Madeleine found. It would prove how morally corrupt they are. It would also effectively end all of their fun at trying to hurt Madeleine’s family. It’s all a cruel sport to them. Meanwhile, a child is out there and she needs to be found and reunited with her family.

dragonfly wrote:
Claire Says:
I think the author of this piece gives these people too much credit. Pushing the boundaries of truth is an understatement. These people lie to support their idiotic theories. They then post them all over the Web and then spout that they are the truth. Just because someone else repeated it. Repeating a lie still doesn’t make it true.
As for finding Madeleine…none of these people want Madeleine found. It would prove how morally corrupt they are. It would also effectively end all of their fun at trying to hurt Madeleine’s family. It’s all a cruel sport to them. Meanwhile, a child is out there and she needs to be found and reunited with her family.

Typical, twisted, inaccurate and warped “analysis” which has no bearing in the truth.

Which people “lie”? And how can taking information from the official police files and working from there considered to be pushing the boundaries of truth?

I’d advocate that pushing the boundaries of truth and idiotic theories are more in tune with the on-going disregarding of the PJ files and the support for an abduction theory that has no merit in fact or evidence.

That is truly the one idiotic theory flying around in this case.

Loving the line “Repeating a lie still doesn’t make it true” because that fits in so very neatly with the Team’s (and especially Jane Tanner’s) version of events.

Now we go into full on mental mode (a trait often demonstrated by the pro’s). Who doesn’t want Maddie found?

I don’t recall ever seeing a post from anyone on this forum stating they wish she was never found. The very reason for these and other forums like it is precisely to find out what happened to Maddie but we all fear that she will never be found alive.

Still it’s a stick these people use to demonise those of us who simply won’t accept their cult’s version of events. It says more about them for throwing out comments like that than it does about those sceptical of the cult’s propaganda.

I can only speak for myself but I would like nothing more than for her to turn up somewhere alive. The problem is I can’t see that happening.

Nobody takes any fun out of her family. What I feel is disgust and contempt at their actions both in leaving their children unattended and their subsequent strategy at media manipulation, libel bullying and fund raising.

Meanwhile what evidence is there to support the idea that there is a child out there waiting to be found? None. Until such time as there is we’ll use our heads and continue to question the version of events put forward by her parents which has no basis in fact or reality.

Me wrote:

I can only speak for myself but I would like nothing more than for her to turn up somewhere alive. The problem is I can’t see that happening.

Nobody takes any fun out of her family. What I feel is disgust and contempt at their actions both in leaving their children unattended and their subsequent strategy at media manipulation, libel bullying and fund raising.

Exactly. I think most people would be delighted if she was found alive. But statistically, that's very unlikely. It's not being callous or cruel to accept that, it's just acknowledging facts long known to the police and criminal psychologists. If she really was taken by a nonce, then we known that 75% of them kill their victims within hours. And even if she lived longer than a day, the massive publicity in this case would almost certainly motivate a kidnapper to kill her, just to protect themselves. These aren't pleasant thoughts, but they are the facts that police and criminologists have to deal with.And whatever the parents may or may not have done, that does not give them the right to try and destroy people, like they are trying to do with Amaral.

Who doesn't want Madeleine found?

How about her parents who:

1. Don't advertise the reward
2. Told the world, against police advice, that she had a coloboma - then told the world it was just a hardly noticeable fleck.
3. Issued old, possibly photoshopped, photo's of Madeleine.
4. Refused to answer questions which may have helped find Madeleine
5. Refused to co-operate with an official reconstruction
6. Asked for money to find Madeleine then used some of it to pay their mortgage

And that's just for starters...and they have the nerve to say it's us who don't want her found? I am sure people would rejoice if Madeleine was found.

happychick wrote:Who doesn't want Madeleine found?

How about her parents who:

1. Don't advertise the reward
2. Told the world, against police advice, that she had a coloboma - then told the world it was just a hardly noticeable fleck.
3. Issued old, possibly photoshopped, photo's of Madeleine.
4. Refused to answer questions which may have helped find Madeleine
5. Refused to co-operate with an official reconstruction
6. Asked for money to find Madeleine then used some of it to pay their mortgage

And that's just for starters...and they have the nerve to say it's us who don't want her found? I am sure people would rejoice if Madeleine was found.

All so true, happychick.

puzzled wrote:

Me wrote:

I can only speak for myself but I would like nothing more than for her to turn up somewhere alive. The problem is I can’t see that happening.

Nobody takes any fun out of her family. What I feel is disgust and contempt at their actions both in leaving their children unattended and their subsequent strategy at media manipulation, libel bullying and fund raising.

Exactly. I think most people would be delighted if she was found alive. But statistically, that's very unlikely. It's not being callous or cruel to accept that, it's just acknowledging facts long known to the police and criminal psychologists. If she really was taken by a nonce, then we known that 75% of them kill their victims within hours. And even if she lived longer than a day, the massive publicity in this case would almost certainly motivate a kidnapper to kill her, just to protect themselves. These aren't pleasant thoughts, but they are the facts that police and criminologists have to deal with.And whatever the parents may or may not have done, that does not give them the right to try and destroy people, like they are trying to do with Amaral.

good posts

Where do the Mccann's get the American statistics, that their is some happy ending and the children come alive and well? Happy ending for whom The parents? The public?
if people believe Madeleine will be found alive, she will be placed with the very parents whose own belief 'there is no evidence to suggest she has come to any harm' have they thought how that would impact Madeleine? stating that she could be taken by peados but 'there is no evidence to suggest she has come to any harm' if people believe Madeleine will be found alive, I think it is very rose tinted view to think that she will be scooped up and the nightmare has ended , Not for any of the other girls such as jaycee ,Natascha Kampusch, Sabine Dardenne, "Elizabeth Smart, Fritzel's daughter , who were all missing from public view, lived a nightmare and the psychological effects it has on a child and the long term damage is unthinkable,
I dont think these other people are being realistic, The sad facts are she would have lived more of her life in her present reality, than her past, The trauma and abuse this poor child could of gone through , she could be severely damaged finding out her parents neglected which caused her to be in that situation, and spent money from the fund on a PR machine and defence lawyers and taking people to court ,she could develop Stockholm syndrome, if she was in a different country , being then bought back to England the culture shock not speaking the language, not to mention the abuse the living conditions PTSD, The list is endless, The bottom line is of course we would want her to be found alive and well , with people who cared for her, The reality and statistics is another thing, The outcome either way dead or alive both outlooks are unthinkable for this innocent child

[quote="Wendy"]

dragonfly wrote:

Wendy wrote:

dragonfly wrote:There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Kate or Gerry ever committed any crime that night

Did they not leave 3 children alone that night? Is that not a crime? If not, then why are other people in jail for doing the same?[/quote

Mccanns admitted most nights they were left

nspcc website - Neglect involves failure to meet a child's needs that does or could harm the child.
That explains the constant quote of

She's apparently with a friggin' paedophile isn't she? What's he supposed to be doing with her? You McCann supporters make me sick to my stomach.

WELL SAID wendy
" 'There is no suggestion that Madeleine has come to any harm'
dragonfly :please: What planet are you on, I don't think you have read the the files if you have then read them again this time sober :drunken: or you just do this I hate to tell you but IMO POOR LITTLE MADIE HAS COME TO HARM Thats what sick paedophile do dear THEY HARM. ask Kate she will tell you all about it.

[quote="scotclogs"]

Wendy wrote:

dragonfly wrote:

Wendy wrote:

dragonfly wrote:There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Kate or Gerry ever committed any crime that night

I did not write that look at my post
Did they not leave 3 children alone that night? Is that not a crime? If not, then why are other people in jail for doing the same?or=blue]YES ABSOLUTELY !!!!!!!
Mccanns admitted most nights they were left

nspcc website - Neglect involves failure to meet a child's needs that does or could harm the child.
That explains the constant quote of

I AGREE RE READ MY POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She's apparently with a friggin' paedophile isn't she? What's he supposed to be doing with her? You McCann supporters make me sick to my stomach.

ARE YOU WINDING ME UP? OR ARE YOU THICK? RE READ MY POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY has some one changed my words I did not say that, READ MY POST CORRECTLY ! I can not see wendys post, I am quoting the Mccanns! Mccanns said there is no evidence,
not me! I can not believe some one is thick enough to think I am sticking up for them, the total opposite

WELL SAID wendy
" 'There is no suggestion that Madeleine has come to any harm'
dragonfly :please: What planet are you on, I don't think you have read the the files if you have then read them again this time sober :drunken: or you just do this I hate to tell you but IMO POOR LITTLE MADIE HAS COME TO HARM Thats what sick paedophile do dear THEY HARM. ask Kate she will tell you all about it.