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Post by Autumn 07.02.11 16:03

https://www.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign?ref=sgm

Hardly a day goes by that the McCanns are not singing the praises of the Writing of the Wrongs Blog on their Official Facebook Site. As well as giving frequent links to articles on the Writing of the Wrongs , the McCanns make it very clear that they have high regard for the people who run the site, referring to them as 'our friends'.
So, what do we know of The Writing of the Wrongs Blog and those involved with it?

The Blog was set up 6th Dec 2010 and is run by McCann supporters.


This blog is the collaboration of a group of Madeleine supporters. Our aim is to make the truth known in an effort to keep people looking for Madeleine and not to give up on her.


A MORAL OBLIGATION

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For the past two weeks I’ve followed the Tucson shootings and been horrified by the signs that Jared Loughner was going to crack. The deaths of six people, one being nine year-old Christina-Taylor Green, have affected me in a profound way. I’m having a hard time coming to grips with the loss of life



From our friends at Madeleine-Writing the Wrongs: If Gonçalo Amaral has ‘new information’ as he says, why doesn’t he comply with his word and ask for the reopening? He can. If he wants to… But what Gonçalo Amaral knows is that he has nothing.
Reopening of the case? Yes, please. | Madeleine - Writing the Wrongs
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In one of his most recent snort of anger, which he manifests himself with some frequency in the Correio da Manhã, Gonçalo Amaral puts forward what he thinks is a threat to the parents of Madeleine. Apparently he will seek a reopening of the case based on a ‘new track’: Madeleine´s blanket.



Good people have been able to see past this mistake and support the family in their search for their beloved daughter. Support comes in many forms may it be money, prayers, awareness raising, putting up posters etc and for that they are truly grateful. From our friends over at Madeleine- Writing the Wrongs.
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Using the word good in relation to the disappearance of a missing child does in some ways seem cruel, unfeeling and totally out of context. However, the disappearance of Madeleine Beth McCann has in its own sad way been a force for good, in that it has raised the awareness of missing children in gen



A new blog post from our friends at Madeleine--Writing the Wrongs.
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Have you ever read something on the internet or in the press and just taken it as fact? And later you discover that it wasn’t quite correctly reported or published? If you had the privilege to experience a good education you might have been exposed to a mantra that is widely followed, in general

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Why is it that certain people will go out of their way to target those who have made mistakes along the way? What has happened to our sense of morality?
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A group of Madeleine supporters have created a blog to keep people looking for her and to get the truth out. Let's not let people forget Madeleine and that she needs to brought home.
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The Changeling is based on a true story. It’s a story with so many bizarre twists and turns that screenwriter J. Michael Straczynski didn’t believe it at first: A child named Walter Collins goes missing. The story grips the whole nation. The corrupt LA police department, in an attempt to cover up th
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Good people have been able to see past this mistake and support the family in their search for their beloved daughter. Support comes in many forms may it be money, prayers, awareness raising, putting up posters etc and for that they are truly grateful. From our friends over at Madeleine- Writing the Wrongs.



And look what's first on the list ....money....not awareness raising first, or prayers. Says it all really. Money would not be required if they had asked the PJ not to shelve the case, or go back and do the reconstruction to get it reopened. sad


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There is a curious anomaly in the files, but not one that reflects pejoratively on either of the two witnesses it involved, Kate and one of the McCanns’ holidaying friends, David Payne. He was the last independent witness to have seen Madeleine in the early evening of May 3rd.At the request of Gerry

There is a curious anomaly in the files, but not one that reflects pejoratively on either of the two witnesses it involved, Kate and one of the McCanns’ holidaying friends, David Payne. He was the last independent witness to have seen Madeleine in the early evening of May 3rd.At the request of Gerry, David left the tennis courts to go to apartment 5a to help Kate take the McCanns’ children to a play area, a planned event that didn’t happen because the children were tired and so Kate got them ready for bed. By David’s account, he spent a couple of minutes with Kate and entered the apartment; by Kate’s account she was having a shower when David arrived and she sent him away without him entering the apartment. Over such matters of trivial difference ghoulish observers of the McCanns salivate.

My focus, though, is a very different anomaly. In his infamous interim report, written on 10th September 2007, PJ inspector Tavares Almeida alluded to this brief encounter, giving both David’s version and Kate’s. The question is how he knew about David’s version. He knew about Kate’s from her arguida interview, but neither she nor David referred to it in their initial interviews on May 4th, the day after Madeleine’s abduction.

The first reference (at least in the files that we see) is in feedback to PJ inspector Ricardo Paiva by Leicestershire police officer Mike Marshall in an email he sent on 24th October, some six weeks after the interim report was produced. That same email exercises the minds of ghouls for a different reason – Marshall responded to a request of Pavaia’s that he send a copy of a statement made by the Gaspar couple about two weeks after Madeleine’s abduction. The ghouls insist this ‘proves’ Leicestershire Police delayed in passing on important information to the Portuguese police. It doesn’t. Paiva clearly knew about the statements because he requested them. We just have to guess what he knew, when and how. Perhaps the answer to how Almeida knew about David’s version of this brief encounter with Kate would give the answer, also, to the apparent anomaly of the forwarding of the Gaspar statements.

There’s something else, too. Kate’s arguida interview lasted over 10 hours, from early afternoon until the early hours of the following morning. From her files, the record of her interview, loaded into an office word document, spans just 7 pages. On the other hand, David Payne’s rogatory interview by Leicestershire Police lasted just 7 hours and spans 64 pages on a word document. Clearly, only a minute fraction of what Kate actually said during her interview is recorded, leaving us to guess what has been omitted. Also of note is that the PJ, unlike the British police, summarise the content of interviews in reported form. Ally that to the fact that her statements were translated from Portuguese to English, then back to Portuguese, and there is much scope for loss of precise meaning inherent in original, spoken, words.

We must also question the Portuguese authorities’ approach to releasing the case files. Leicestershire Police laid down a well defined policy which they wanted the Portuguese authorities to conform to. They sanctioned release of witness statements but only after the full circumstances of Madeleine’s abduction were known, any culprit(s) had been convicted and time for appeals had elapsed.

Against that background we must ask how rogatory interviews, (all carried out by Leicestershire Police), fell into the hands of exposed fraudster Duarte Levy. Levy shamelessly tried to profiteer from the trauma of a missing little girl, as well as sully the name of the McCanns, by ‘selling’ non-existent photographs to a UK national newspaper for £50,000. The paper rumbled him as did, of all people, Joana Morais, but not until after she claimed he had fleeced her of 1,000 euros for a telephone bill. We can be sure he got hold of the interviews because they appear on his website under his name, complete with still photographs from videos of interviewees. In one of the interviews, of Russell O’Brien, Levy (ironically) accused Leicestershire Police of lying to the Portuguese police that his interview hadn’t been conducted twice when (according to Levy) it had, because of equipment failure with the camera.
One of the Rogatory interviews Levy claims credit for is David Payne’s.

According to one website, he translated it, though why he would have had to if he had video and audio recording of the interview is not clear. How did he get hold of it and other rogatory interviews (including Jane Tanner’s)? He clearly never should have. And most importantly, how much reliance can we place that the version of interviews we read are accredited to him?
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Post by Judge Mental 15.02.11 2:53

Clearly, only a minute fraction of what Kate actually said during her interview is recorded, leaving us to guess what has been omitted. Also of note is that the PJ, unlike the British police, summarise the content of interviews in reported form. Ally that to the fact that her statements were translated from Portuguese to English, then back to Portuguese, and there is much scope for loss of precise meaning inherent in original, spoken, words.

One is already ghoulishly salivating at the prospect of this already somewhat aged chestnut being regularly toasted forthwith. However, it is utterly impossible for thirty seconds to become thirty minutes, no matter how many translation processes this is put through.
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Post by aiyoyo 15.02.11 6:52

candyfloss wrote:Good people have been able to see past this mistake and support the family in their search for their beloved daughter. Support comes in many forms may it be money, prayers, awareness raising, putting up posters etc and for that they are truly grateful. From our friends over at Madeleine- Writing the Wrongs.



And look what's first on the list ....money....not awareness raising first, or prayers. Says it all really. Money would not be required if they had asked the PJ not to shelve the case, or go back and do the reconstruction to get it reopened. The Writing of the Wrongs  Articles - promoted on The McCanns' Official Facebook 173510



Yes, I notice the order of priority too.
It's as if she is dead...first order is: the mccanns want money for the pretendy search ...next order is: they want people to pray for what I havent a clue...? It's common knowledge people pray for the dead all the time!

the awareness and putting up posters are last of their priorities - so TELLING.
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Post by PeterMac 15.02.11 8:04

Don't be too hard on them. Of that list "Money, Prayers, Awareness raising, Putting up posters, etc" only money is of any use to anyone.
Prayer ? even the Pope prayed for Madeleine. What have been the results so far ?
Raising awareness ? - is there anyone on this planet who has not heard of Madeleine ?
Putting up Posters ? - "The campaign needs a futile gesture, Perkins, so rush out and put up a few posters. There's a good chap"
etc. - probably includes balloons, wrist bands, T shirts, and those floaty lanterns. Any results yet ?
At least with money they can pay lawyers to try to keep the truth under wraps, and to try to prevent people thinking for themselves, travel, pay the mortgage...
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Post by zodiac 15.02.11 17:29

"A new blog post from our friends at Madeleine--Writing the Wrongs.
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Have you ever read something on the internet or in the press and just taken it as fact? And later you discover that it wasn’t quite correctly reported or published? If you had the privilege to experience a good education you might have been exposed to a mantra that is widely followed, in general"

The above excerpt is from OP by Autumn.


Well I never believed what JM had to say in this CBS News video interview was fact. Later on in fact when the files were publicly released, translated and posted all over the internet I knew for sure it wasn't correct. The files, especially the video of the dogs, confirmed for me what I thought it was at the time. McPropaganda Bullshit!

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=3246221n&tag=mncol;lst;4


@00.40 secs on JM says: If the investigation needs to be driven forward by them going back. They'll be back!The Writing of the Wrongs  Articles - promoted on The McCanns' Official Facebook Wacko Will they John? What about this:


Kate and Gerry McCann will not return to Portugal for Madeleine reconstruction



Mr and Mrs McCann, who are arguidos or suspects in their daughter’s disappearance, had been asked by Portuguese police to return to the Algarve along with the seven friends on holiday with them at the time.

Detectives wanted to stage a reconstruction at the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were dining, leaving Madeleine and her younger siblings in the unlocked apartment nearby.

But the couple, from Rothley in Leicestershire, have decided not to go back.

A source close to the McCanns said: “There are no plans for Kate and Gerry and their friends to return to Portugal. They have all indicated their intentions to the police.

“The reconstruction will only take place if Kate and Gerry and their friends agree to take part. If they don’t agree it will not happen.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2038823/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-will-not-return-to-Portugal-for-Madeleine-reconstruction.html




@1.05 secs on JM says: They had collaborated all the way through the last few months with the police and in fact sometimes driving the investigation making sure the British were providing resources. The Writing of the Wrongs  Articles - promoted on The McCanns' Official Facebook Wacko Did they John? What about:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html

@1.40 secs on JM says: GM and KM both remain very confident that whatever..em..information th..the..the Portuguese police have they will eventually get round to apologising for em putting Gerry and Kate under such stress. The Writing of the Wrongs  Articles - promoted on The McCanns' Official Facebook Wacko Do they John? Portuguese police will apologise! The Writing of the Wrongs  Articles - promoted on The McCanns' Official Facebook 670379 The Writing of the Wrongs  Articles - promoted on The McCanns' Official Facebook 921124

@1.58 secs JM says: Wild speculative theories. The Writing of the Wrongs  Articles - promoted on The McCanns' Official Facebook Wacko Really John? Hmm you said in October 07 wild speculative theories yet this video below released in 2008 makes me say The Writing of the Wrongs  Articles - promoted on The McCanns' Official Facebook 172348 I don't think so. I didn't believe the cr @ p coming out of your mouth then and I still don't believe any of the McCr @ P! I believe dogs don't lie!

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Post by Judge Mental 15.02.11 17:44

Super post, zodiac.

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Post by PeterMac 15.02.11 18:14

Judge Mental wrote:Super post, zodiac.:
I agree. Very good post.
Pick it apart. Line by line. Quote by quote. Sentence by sentence.
No abuse, no hysterics, no accusations.
Just good forensic work, taking the story and testing it. Asking the pertinent questions in a calm and quiet and polite fashion, putting the opposing evidence, the contrary quotes, and and waiting for the answers.
And waiting.
And waiting.
Can't wait for the book though !
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Post by Magpie 15.02.11 23:36

Judge Mental wrote:Clearly, only a minute fraction of what Kate actually said during her interview is recorded, leaving us to guess what has been omitted. Also of note is that the PJ, unlike the British police, summarise the content of interviews in reported form. Ally that to the fact that her statements were translated from Portuguese to English, then back to Portuguese, and there is much scope for loss of precise meaning inherent in original, spoken, words.

One is already ghoulishly salivating at the prospect of this already somewhat aged chestnut being regularly toasted forthwith. However, it is utterly impossible for thirty seconds to become thirty minutes, no matter how many translation processes this is put through.
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Post by aiyoyo 16.02.11 1:20

PeterMac wrote:Don't be too hard on them. Of that list "Money, Prayers, Awareness raising, Putting up posters, etc" only money is of any use to anyone.
Prayer ? even the Pope prayed for Madeleine. What have been the results so far ?
Raising awareness ? - is there anyone on this planet who has not heard of Madeleine ?
Putting up Posters ? - "The campaign needs a futile gesture, Perkins, so rush out and put up a few posters. There's a good chap"
etc. - probably includes balloons, wrist bands, T shirts, and those floaty lanterns. Any results yet ?
At least with money they can pay lawyers to try to keep the truth under wraps, and to try to prevent people thinking for themselves, travel, pay the mortgage...

Exactly! MONEY is useful for the livings - for the mccanns' agenda and nothing else.
What good is it to Madeleine? Fat lot of good when her parents didnt pay for anyone to search the 10km radius of PDL which their private dick claimed Maddie was supposed to be languishing in together with the monster who got her. I am beginning to think if there is any truth in the misinformation, it would be that they had buried her in a cave 10km radius of PDL. Not impossible if one thinks about it.

Why dont they count their luck (they'd been incredibly lucky so far) and stfu -go away and stay obscure instead of prosecuting people for $$$$$$$$ and when that looks like dooming for them they want to come out with PAGES of more lies.

Will their book be their undoing - like a last breath testimony?
Well....the one use that the book will serve is that - it will offer both sides police a glimpse of what the mccanns have to say about 'the truth'....so on that asepct it should be interesting to the law enforcers.
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Thank you to all of you that have been there for us. We are extremely grateful and we could not keep looking for our daughter if it wasn't for the kindness of strangers.

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From the moment that Madeleine McCann went missing on 3rd May 2007 her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, have had to completely and utterly rely on the kindness of strangers.

THE KINDNESS OF STRANGERS


From the moment that Madeleine McCann went missing on 3rd May 2007 her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, have had to completely and utterly rely on the kindness of strangers.

Evidence now shows that the Portuguese police spent precious little time searching for a missing little girl and considerably more time searching for evidence to implicate her parents in her murder. They have failed miserably on both counts and left many parents world-wide wondering if Portugal is indeed the family holiday haven we previously believed it was.

From that first desperate plea made by Madeleine’s family on early morning television, our hearts went out to the little lost girl and her family. We watched and prayed as news reports updated us of the continuing search, new leads, new theories and new suspects. All of which came to nothing.

As donations started flooding in, an official fund was set up. More and more of us contributed, in the desperate hope that the amount that we donated could actually make that little bit of difference, could actually mean that Madeleine was finally found. And although raising money and donating to the fund is essential to help the continuing search for Madeleine, sadly there isn’t a magic number that will bring Madeleine home.

We held our own children tightly and watched in disbelief as Madeleine’s parents were made arguidos and we wept as we watched Kate’s lonely walks along the beach, clutching her daughter’s precious Cuddle Cat.

Finally, as they arrived back in England and stepped off the plane without their beloved eldest daughter, our throats burned with sadness as we listened to Gerry’s heart-rending pleas to the world to help them find their lovely little girl.

It has been an emotional rollercoaster for all of us following the case but for none more so than Kate and Gerry McCann. Their misjudged decision to leave their children in the hotel room that night has changed their world forever, and in turn it has changed all our worlds. Who now would even consider leaving a child unattended, even for five minutes? I am now more suspicious of strangers and far more vigilant with my children than I ever was before Madeleine went missing. My children will never have the freedom to play out of my view, even in the garden or in the street, the way I did when I was their age. I wouldn’t dream of letting them go for bike rides to the park without me or their father, or letting them run errands to the shop or to the letterbox without me. All freedoms and adventures that my younger brother and I experienced and relished in our childhoods and all so very much part of growing up and learning to be independent.

A generation of mothers will now hold their children closer far longer than we probably should and we make no excuse or apology for this. It is quite simply because anything could happen, anyone could be out there and I would far rather my children tell me I am mean and unfair to them, than the unthinkable happen and they not be around to tell me at all.

How Kate and Gerry have coped is beyond me. I am certain I would have died from the pain and grief they undoubtedly feel. But it is in the complete and utter belief that if they work hard enough to find her, if they do enough to make up for that mistake and keep on searching for her, then one day Madeleine will be home again. Madeleine’s parents have to believe this. Not to believe it, to give up hoping and trying would be to give up on their daughter and no parent could ever contemplate doing that.

However, Kate and Gerry are very well aware that it is almost impossible that they will be the ones to spot their missing daughter in a crowd, or find the vital clue that brings their daughter home. With no police force in the world out there actively looking for Madeleine her parents have to both rely on and have complete faith in the kindness of strangers. This is why they must keep Madeleine’s beautiful little face and her heartbreaking story in the forefront of our minds. All hope really will be lost if we forget about Madeleine.

Recently, while attending to my four year old daughter in a toyshop, my two year old daughter took the opportunity of pushing the doll’s pram she was playing with the full length of the shop, out of the shop door and down a busy road. Now I accept that she was completely and utterly my responsibility but not one person stopped her on her little adventure. In this age of false accusations, not one person stopped my little girl as she pushed the pram through the shoppers and along the pavement. Yet as I ran after her I saw people look at her, turn and nudge each other but not one bent down to ask where her mummy was. Would they have stopped her if she had tried to cross the road? I really don’t know. Sadly, this is exactly what the McCanns are up against. People just don’t want to risk getting involved or making a scene. Why else would there have been so many ‘sightings’ of Madeleine where action was not taken immediately?

Mr and Mrs McCann now have to pray that a stranger, who sees a little girl a lot like Madeleine, doesn’t just stare, wonder, walk away and recount their story to friends and family several days later, but that they do the right thing. That they call the police and hotline number immediately, whilst they have the child in their sights.

They have to pray that a stranger, suspicious of a neighbour or odd behaviour, reports this immediately, rather than years later when it could be too late.

Better a well meaning mistake than a lost opportunity to reunite a family and rebuild a little girl’s life.

Somebody out there knows exactly what has happened to Madeleine McCann and the likelihood is that more than one person knows where she is now. It is going to take a very brave, decent individual to break a trust and pass on the details of a secret, but that person could end this nightmare for Madeleine and her family in one short telephone call.

Recently, I met Kate McCann for the very first time. She looks very different to the tanned, healthy young woman we saw in those first reports from Portugal. She is extremely thin, tired and understandably carries an enormous sadness in her eyes. She held herself with gracefulness and poise but she is without doubt a woman who is incomplete.

As we said goodbye I wished her well in the search for her daughter and I am ashamed to say that in my sadness for her situation and the knowledge that it could so easily be me, I filled up with tears. This thoroughly decent and kind woman, who has lost so much, put her arms around me and comforted me. How could I possibly understand what she has gone through, is still going through and will continue to go through until her daughter is back home? Losing my daughter for a few moments in a busy town centre is just a nasty taste of what she has endured every single day for almost four years. Yet she was kind enough to comfort me.

How can we not wish the McCanns well in their search? How can we not feel that it is all of our responsibilities as fellow human beings to do what we can to help them find their daughter? We have all made mistakes with our children, we wouldn’t be human if we hadn’t, but few of us with such life changing and terrible results.

If I walked in Kate McCann’s heavy shoes, I would beg every family member, friend, neighbour and stranger to help me in any small way they could and in my utter desperation I wouldn’t stop asking and asking until my daughter was home. We shouldn’t turn away because the McCanns keep asking for help and reminding us of our own fears. A million people on the lookout are so much better than two. They need our help and they need our basic human kindness to understand and empathise with their nightmare ordeal.

I defy anyone to say that they would behave any differently. In their shoes, each and every one of us would rely on the kindness of strangers.

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Post by Judge Mental 18.02.11 2:16

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Not a badly structured piece at all. From a quick skim read, which should only havebeen a cursory glance, one has noted that the main bones of contention are quite well placed, with just enough time to finish chewing on one bone before another one is thrown at you. It almost has a tempo. Howvever, one was not lulled towards one's wallet at all. big grin

This part was rather irritating to read: ''If I walked in Kate McCann’s heavy shoes, I would beg every family member, friend, neighbour and stranger to help me in any small way they could and in my utter desperation I wouldn’t stop asking and asking until my daughter was home''..

If this woman believes that it's because Kate McCann's shoes are so heavy that they make her want to beg every family member, friend, neighbour and stranger to help her with just about everything, then perhaps it should be suggested to Kate McCann that she take these bloody heavy shoes off! Lighter footwear, may be just the ticket for Kate McCann to start doing all those small things that she needs so much help with. Perhaps she could start with the serious matter of those outstanding questions for the PJ?

This could create a grand re-opening of the investigation very quickly.

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Post by emilyb3 19.02.11 10:46

Autumn wrote:https://www.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign?ref=sgm

My
focus, though, is a very different anomaly. In his infamous interim
report, written on 10th September 2007, PJ inspector Tavares Almeida
alluded to this brief encounter, giving both David’s version and Kate’s.
The question is how he knew about David’s version.
He knew about Kate’s
from her arguida interview, but neither she nor David referred to it in
their initial interviews on May 4th, the day after Madeleine’s
abduction.


The author is mistaken. That report gave Gerry's version, not D Payne's, hence no anomaly
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There’s
something else, too. Kate’s arguida interview lasted over 10 hours,
from early afternoon until the early hours of the following morning.
From her files, the record of her interview, loaded into an office word
document, spans just 7 pages. On the other hand, David Payne’s rogatory
interview by Leicestershire Police lasted just 7 hours and spans 64
pages on a word document. Clearly, only a minute fraction of what Kate
actually said during her interview is recorded
, leaving us to guess what
has been omitted. Also of note is that the PJ, unlike the British
police, summarise the content of interviews in reported form. Ally that
to the fact that her statements were translated from Portuguese to
English, then back to Portuguese, and there is much scope for loss of
precise meaning inherent in original, spoken, words.


Assumption - Kates interview will have taken longer taking into account translators for one. Payne's interview spans so much because of all the waffle IMO

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Post by Autumn 19.02.11 13:29

From The Kindness of Strangers - Writing of The Wrongs
It has been an emotional rollercoaster for all of us following the case but for none more so than Kate and Gerry McCann. Their misjudged decision to leave their children in the HOTEL ROOM that night has changed their world forever, and in turn it has changed all our worlds

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Has anyone noticed how recently TM have begun referring to the apartment room as 'Hotel Room'? Had a look at messages on 'Maddie in America' article and I was struck by how many mentioned that Maddie had been left in a 'hotel room'. Are the McCanns making a deliberate attempt to play down leaving their children by spinning a lie that they were in a hotel rather than an apartment? Whilst leaving your children alone in a hotel room is not acceptable, somehow it doesn't sound quite as bad as leaving them in an apartment.



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Post by YNG 19.02.11 16:27

Autumn wrote:From The Kindness of Strangers - Writing of The Wrongs
It has been an emotional rollercoaster for all of us following the case but for none more so than Kate and Gerry McCann. Their misjudged decision to leave their children in the HOTEL ROOM that night has changed their world forever, and in turn it has changed all our worlds

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2068p10-the-writing-of-the-wrongs-updates-from-the-mccanns-official-facebook-site

Has anyone noticed how recently TM have begun referring to the apartment room as 'Hotel Room'? Had a look at messages on 'Maddie in America' article and I was struck by how many mentioned that Maddie had been left in a 'hotel room'. Are the McCanns making a deliberate attempt to play down leaving their children by spinning a lie that they were in a hotel rather than an apartment? Whilst leaving your children alone in a hotel room is not acceptable, somehow it doesn't sound quite as bad as leaving them in an apartment.





“ misjudged decision “ …. that’s a new one too .


Quote KM ; Aug. 2007 – “ You don't expect a predator to break in and take your daughter out the bed. It could have happened under other circumstances and there would still be the regret. It wasn't like a decision we made. It was a matter of 'let's get the kids to sleep, then we'll have dinner.' It wasn't a 'shall I, shan't I?' thing

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Post by Judge Mental 19.02.11 18:25

Did Kate McCann not say at some point, something along the lines of, ''You do not expect somebody to come along and take a child from ''your'' bed.''? As in, Kate McCann's or Gerald McCann's own bed, not Madeleine's own bed?
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Post by YNG 19.02.11 18:29

Judge Mental wrote:Did Kate McCann not say at some point, something along the lines of, ''You do not expect somebody to come along and take a child from ''your'' bed.''? As in, Kate McCann's or Gerald McCann's own bed, not Madeleine's own bed?

It's quite possible JM , those two have contradicted themselves so many times I've lost track of who said what and when lol4

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Evidence now shows that the Portuguese police spent precious little time searching for a missing little girl and considerably more time searching for evidence to implicate her parents in her murder.


The behaviour of the Mccanns and their friends gave the PJ every reason to suspect that the truth was not being told therefore if the PJ spent little time in searching for Madeleine then the Mccanns and their friends would have to look to their own behaviour. Also once again it appears to have been forgotten that it appears to have been on advice of the British Police they were made arguidos imo.
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Post by littlepixie 19.02.11 18:59

Aren't they hard-faced and damn cheeky saying the PJ spent precious little time looking. I would like to know exactly what evidence they have of this. I have seen video after video, photo after photo of hundreds of people out til all hours searching for their little girl. The Writing of the Wrongs  Articles - promoted on The McCanns' Official Facebook 362910
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Post by Guest 19.02.11 19:02

It would appear that Kate admitted she did not search, so what gives them the right to criticise anyone - the PJ DID search and that is a FACT.

I remember reading the story of Sara Payne, how she was beside herself when Sarah went missing, she ran everywhere looking in the fields, knocking on doors in the village etc., until she was totally exhausted - as any parent would do when a child has gone missing.
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Post by Judge Mental 19.02.11 19:07

Cherry wrote:Evidence now shows that the Portuguese police spent precious little time searching for a missing little girl and considerably more time searching for evidence to implicate her parents in her murder.


The behaviour of the Mccanns and their friends gave the PJ every reason to suspect that the truth was not being told therefore if the PJ spent little time in searching for Madeleine then the Mccanns and their friends would have to look to their own behaviour. Also once again it appears to have been forgotten that it appears to have been on advice of the British Police they were made arguidos imo.

The police spent time in pursuing the parents because this is where the evidence was pointed towards. A ten year old child flicking quickly through the police files would deduce the same thing in less than ten minutes.
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Post by Tigers Eye 21.02.11 7:50

This appallingly badly written piece makes me feel slightly ill.

Full of factual errors, its soppy, over-emotional style apes that sort of thing that a teenager may write, perhaps for an "A" level essay, but maybe I'm doing "A" level students a disservice!

How the McCanns could highlight this dreadful writing without cringeing is beyond me.
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Post by PeterMac 21.02.11 8:41

Cherry wrote:It would appear that Kate admitted she did not search, so what gives them the right to criticise anyone - the PJ DID search and that is a FACT.
I remember reading the story of Sara Payne, how she was beside herself when Sarah went missing, she ran everywhere looking in the fields, knocking on doors in the village etc., until she was totally exhausted - as any parent would do when a child has gone missing.

The only rational explanation for the parents' behaviour that night is...
Madeleine was not missing. They knew precisely where she was and what state she was in after IT happened.
Hence no searching, no rushing around like mad things, no frantic knocking on all the doors within a half mile radius, pleading for help from everyone they met. Nothing.
Just going to bed, and thinking up excuses such as "it was too dark". Playing on the computer, and organising tennis lessons

Incidentally have people seen this one yet,
http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/madeleine-mccann-u-s-a-profile-of-the-possibility
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Post by Judge Mental 21.02.11 17:31

''were vacationing in the Algarve region, which has now, reputedly, been named the hunting ground for children like Madeleine by an alleged Portuguese pedophile ring.''

''One telling point in the recent development by this bouncer/investigator bears repeating. He said, "I am prepared to go to any length to reveal the truth about these sick people -- they need to be exposed."

Those are passionate words from a man who has no relation and/or receives no financial compensation for a child that lived a world away and has been missing for almost four years.

It almost sounds like he has an obsessive desire to either draw attention to the plight of another missing child -- and the men who took it -- by using the more high profile Madeleine McCann case to motivate a crackdown of particular people, or that he just wants international attention.''


Or indeed, that he may very well have been coerced into going along to the police and media with his ludicrous tales.






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EDDIE THE INFALLIBLE? - THE REAL SCANDAL OF CUDDLE CAT

Martin Grime, dog handler of British sniffer dogs, Keela and Eddie, never did say that Eddie, the cadaver dog, was always right. He said that, in operation, Eddie had never once alerted falsely to the cadaver scent of a dead, wild, animal or food stuffs. That became corrupted on-line, to never been wrong or (even in a PJ report, written mid-way through the case) to, 100% accurate. If Eddie, in fact, ever had an unblemished record (impossible to prove or disprove) he certainly lost it in Praia da Luz.

When the British press revealed that Kate had washed cuddle-cat, there was on-line outrage. Kate was accused of having washed away forensic evidence crucial to the investigation. Beyond dispute, when Madeleine vanished, her toy was left, lying on the bed. But then Kate is a medical doctor, not a police woman or forensic scientist.

Portugal has a perfectly good forensic laboratory, used in the Madeleine investigation, but its forensic report says nothing about the toy. That was the first missed opportunity by the PJ to take the toy for forensic examination. The second was following the British forensic sweep with the sniffer dogs. In the villa the McCanns rented after vacating the holiday apartment, clothes and the toy were canine-inspected. Both dogs tested the area to check for scents before the inspections and there was none. On Eddie’s first encounter with Cuddle-cat, he sniffed it, picked it up and played with it. But he didn’t bark (his official signal of a scent). Then the toy was hidden in a cupboard and Eddie barked. That was an error, but whether of omission (not barking when he should have) or commission (barking when he shouldn’t have) we can only guess.

From Martin Grime’s rogatory interview, we perhaps get a glimpse of the view of Amaral’s successor, Paulo Rebelo, of the dogs’ performance in Praia da Luz.

“Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog”

From Grime’s predictably indignant response, we learn something else startling:

The dogs were not taught any ‘tricks’. The cadaver dog, Eddie, reacted to the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy.

Grime recommended that the toy be tested.

John Lowe, from the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, wrote a long and detailed report of all tests carried out on items or artefacts forwarded to the forensic laboratory, including the ignition card of the McCanns’ Renault hire car and cuttings from the flower bed. But with John Lowe’s report, as with the report from the Portuguese forensic laboratory, there is no mention of cuddle-cat. It was never forwarded to Birmingham. Grime’s instruction was ignored.

Why? In the meanwhile, if the PJ saw no reason to suppose that the toy might hold vital forensic clues, why should Kate have thought any different? And how (and why!) did the PJ come to the conclusions they did?

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Autumn wrote:The McCanns post up the latest update link to 'our friends' at The Writing of The Wrongs Blog

EDDIE THE INFALLIBLE? - THE REAL SCANDAL OF CUDDLE CAT


http://madeleine-writingthewrongs.com/2011/02/21/eddie-the-infallible-%E2%80%93-the-real-scandal-of-cuddle-cat/


" On Eddie’s first encounter with Cuddle-cat, he sniffed it, picked it up and played with it. But he didn’t bark (his official signal of a scent). Then the toy was hidden in a cupboard and Eddie barked. That was an error, but whether of omission (not barking when he should have) or commission (barking when he shouldn’t have) we can only guess"


Yes they can 'only guess ' .... lol .... no explanation then as to why they 'guess ' this was an error on the cannine teams part big grin

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Autumn wrote:The McCanns post up the latest update link to 'our friends' at The Writing of The Wrongs Blog

EDDIE THE INFALLIBLE? - THE REAL SCANDAL OF CUDDLE CAT

Martin Grime, dog handler of British sniffer dogs, Keela and Eddie, never did say that Eddie, the cadaver dog, was always right. He said that, in operation, Eddie had never once alerted falsely to the cadaver scent of a dead, wild, animal or food stuffs. That became corrupted on-line, to never been wrong or (even in a PJ report, written mid-way through the case) to, 100% accurate. If Eddie, in fact, ever had an unblemished record (impossible to prove or disprove) he certainly lost it in Praia da Luz.

When the British press revealed that Kate had washed cuddle-cat, there was on-line outrage. Kate was accused of having washed away forensic evidence crucial to the investigation. Beyond dispute, when Madeleine vanished, her toy was left, lying on the bed. But then Kate is a medical doctor, not a police woman or forensic scientist.

Portugal has a perfectly good forensic laboratory, used in the Madeleine investigation, but its forensic report says nothing about the toy. That was the first missed opportunity by the PJ to take the toy for forensic examination. The second was following the British forensic sweep with the sniffer dogs. In the villa the McCanns rented after vacating the holiday apartment, clothes and the toy were canine-inspected. Both dogs tested the area to check for scents before the inspections and there was none. On Eddie’s first encounter with Cuddle-cat, he sniffed it, picked it up and played with it. But he didn’t bark (his official signal of a scent). Then the toy was hidden in a cupboard and Eddie barked. That was an error, but whether of omission (not barking when he should have) or commission (barking when he shouldn’t have) we can only guess.

From Martin Grime’s rogatory interview, we perhaps get a glimpse of the view of Amaral’s successor, Paulo Rebelo, of the dogs’ performance in Praia da Luz.

“Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog”

From Grime’s predictably indignant response, we learn something else startling:

The dogs were not taught any ‘tricks’. The cadaver dog, Eddie, reacted to the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy.

Grime recommended that the toy be tested.

John Lowe, from the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, wrote a long and detailed report of all tests carried out on items or artefacts forwarded to the forensic laboratory, including the ignition card of the McCanns’ Renault hire car and cuttings from the flower bed. But with John Lowe’s report, as with the report from the Portuguese forensic laboratory, there is no mention of cuddle-cat. It was never forwarded to Birmingham. Grime’s instruction was ignored.

Why? In the meanwhile, if the PJ saw no reason to suppose that the toy might hold vital forensic clues, why should Kate have thought any different? And how (and why!) did the PJ come to the conclusions they did?

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"there is no mention of cuddle-cat. It was never forwarded to Birmingham. Grime’s instruction was ignored."


How do they know CC was never forwarded to Birmingham? How do they know that the instruction Mr Grime gave was ignored? How do we know if the CC that KM carried around after the sniffer dogs alerted is the same CC? Two sisters could each have had a CC. The CC in the cupboard could have been sent for testing. The results may not have been released (just like all of the dogs video was not released) and the PJ could perhaps still have that CC. The McCanns do not have all of the polices files! So how would they know?
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zodiac wrote:How do they know CuddleCat was never forwarded to Birmingham? How do they know that the instruction Mr Grime gave was ignored? How do we know if the CC that KM carried around after the sniffer dogs alerted is the same CC? Two sisters could each have had a CC. The CC in the cupboard could have been sent for testing. The results may not have been released (just like all of the dogs video was not released) and the PJ could perhaps still have that CC. The McCanns do not have all of the polices files! So how would they know?
A 'friend' within the FSS at Birmingham told them?
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Post by emilyb3 26.02.11 18:58

@zodiac
How do they know CC was never forwarded to Birmingham? How do they know that the instruction Mr Grime gave was ignored?

if it was wouldn't the results have been in the fss report?
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