Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be

Bernt's upcoming podcast with James English promises to be exciting  

He said in an email to me today that his critics "had better glue their socks on!"

Jill Havern wrote:Bernt's upcoming podcast with James English promises to be exciting  

He said in an email to me today that his critics "had better glue their socks on!"

Can't wait! But we need action!

And yes, even Amaral said in 2012 that the hill area should be more investigate.

Surely the new up coming podcast is a result of new info that has happened as a result of the release of the book, I bought Bernt’s book based on his theory and I’m more than prepared to let any updated news or relevation’s take there course when the time is right for Bernt and not before 
It’ll happen when it happen’s 

I’ve found personally when dealing with evil schemers when they are quiet is the time when they are more dangeous and up to no good

pinkgladioli wrote:Surely the new up coming podcast is a result of new info that has happened as a result of the release of the book, 

Indeed.

The wheels continue to turn.

The screws continue to tighten.

CaKeLoveR wrote:

Will there also be an interview with Sonia in October? I think she is great and better than Pat.

How did this thread turn into another Brick thread?

From Bernt:

Please write to AnneG from me on the same thread.
AnneG:
Why are you initiating in arguments of things you haven't read? Like how I came to my timeline....
You have constantly taken subtle digs without knowing anything about my work. You have diverted every single thread about my book into something completely off topic, and often to your own French book.
You are without a doubt extremely knowledgeable about the case, but what is it with my book you cannot get yourself to actually read and find out how I got to my conclusions.
It almost seems personal, and you've never even met me.
Everyone here knows you have a bias. I have nothing against critique, as long as it's rooted in the actual work, not speculations.
You have on three different occasions mentioned the high walls of the cemetery, but when I get a photo shown there of the easy climb between the gates, then you step in and say the gate is always open. Doesn't make sense, this behavior, unless you are bitter for whatever reason.
You can't blame me for you not having translated your book into  English.
It's blatantly obvious what you have constantly been doing for months.
This is the reason I'm not becoming a member on this forum, as I'm done arguing over nothing, with someone who invents or assumes things from a book they haven't even  read and refuses to read.
I'm sure your book is brilliant. I just don't care about other people's work, as I only focus on words from the police files and the persons involved in the case.
What's wrong with that.
I'm doing my puzzle, and they can do theirs.

"Everyone here knows you have a bias". Unless Bernt has asked every one here if they agree with this statement and they have informed him that they do agree with it, I am very sorry to say that I think it is wrong of him to make such a claim.

From Bernt:

this to Honesty:
You're right. I should rather have written that everyone here knows AnneG has her own book and is per definition biased. 
However, it's absurd when someone in her position debates, critiques, assumes about its content and constantly takes digs at a book she hasn't bothered to read. 
I'm tempted to copy what AnneG wrote to my publisher, but I don't want to make this something more than it is, just to show someone's true color.

Anne,

Is it true you haven't read the book?

To Bernt:
Chill! most people here are 100% behind you and all your efforts.   Some are just impatient and have been trying to get to the bottom of this for a very, very long time and some, well...

To Jill: 
have you seen the 1970 (excellent!) film by Joseph Losey, "The Go Between" 

deepeepee wrote:To Jill: 
have you seen the 1970 (excellent!) film by Joseph Losey, "The Go Between" 

No I haven't, but I feel I should have had a starring role.  

Unfortunately, Anne emailed me last night to say she was leaving the forum and I've replied asking her to reconsider.

Despite Anne and Bernt's differences they are both welcome here because of everyone's 17-year pursuit of the truth for Maddie. Anne has been a valued member of the 'Maddie community' for nearly two decades, and it was great when she registered here.

We can't all be expected to agree with each other...but Bernt does have a 'right to reply' to his critics, even by proxy. I have said before that, although I'd like to see Bernt register here, I was under no illusion that he would do so at this point in the proceedings.

I have a copy of Anne's book but my Schoolboy French is simply not up to the task.
Other than typing it out and putting it through DeepL I can't think of a way to read it
which is a shame, because I value different points of view and interpretations.


Members may begin to understand why I included this warning on my latest Chapter

"HEALTH WARNING.  Some people may find this Chapter intellectually challenging, distressing, or “triggering”.    
If you are prone to feelings of this sort, please DO NOT READ IT.  
You are of course free to criticise and deny its content without reading or understanding it, in accordance with modern Social Media norms

CaKeLoveR wrote:These cell mates are honourable, decent chaps, aren't they?

Clearly considered to be more reliable than the “incredibly unreliable” dogs - most odd huh?

Jill,

I am really pleased that you asked AnneG to reconsider leaving the forum. And I hope you do stay, Anne

I think she has a lot of valuable knowledge about this case, she has spent a long time analyzing the available data and she has written a book on the subject [that I have not read]. And she has, of course, made many interesting contributions to this forum.

She is entitled to have her own opinions and she is entitled to challenge the theory of Bernt. 

I can understand Bernt being hacked off at people looking for holes to pick in his theory - but that is the way things are, and should be: a theory has to stand up to counter examples, highlighted inaccuracies and possible ambiguities.

Furthermore, AnneG is a member of this forum, Bernt is not a member: he says he does not want to be a member. And I can understand this as it is more practical for him to reflect on comments and take time to counter the counters rather than play immediate 'yes/yes but/maybe/no' ping pong with people who have valid [and some, invalid] queries/concerns. 

Nevertheless a point to consider: although Bernt does not want to be a forum member, he has asked Jill to act as his proxy to post his comments on the forum to forum members [specifically to AnneG]. Will Anne G, if she leaves the forum, have to find her own proxy forum member to answer Bernt's comments?

I am a big fan of Bernt. I have read the brick and I think his theory adds great value to our understanding of the case. Is it THE answer to the puzzle? It might be but, if so, it will have to be robust and stand up to detailed scrutiny.

I think the McCann case is extremely interesting. There is so much 'warm' agreement amongst most members regarding what probably happened in general terms but with some 'cold' disagreement and differences of opinion regarding specific details. As things stand, there is no single, absolute truth and those members who choose not to believe in one of the alleged particular truth theories should not, in my opinion, be demonized or ostracized. And as a result thereof, maybe feel forced to leave the forum.

Goncalo Amaral, AnneG, Pat Brown, Richard D Hall, PeterMac and Bernt [in no particular order] have all done so much hard work and have produced very interesting, challenging and positive stuff in searching for the truth. All in general agreement and all with individual specific disagreements: I can excuse a bit of observer bias.

We all want to now what happened in as much detail as possible. And, I think, we want to encourage sensible debate rather than stifle it and have none. [Everything must fit with inner party dogma]

And semi off-topic - talking about people who are no longer welcome on the forum [from what I think I picked up a couple of weeks ago on the forum] what is the story about Verdi? That bypassed me completely.

Great post pablowski, thank you  

Bernt didn't specifically ask me to post on his behalf, but he was commenting to me in response to members here so I asked him if I should just post his comments so the individual member could respond.

AnneCGuedes wrote:

Bluebagthepirate wrote:Anne,

Is it true you haven't read the book?`

It's not true.
I phoned the publisher in order to know in what language I should read it to minimise the number of lost in translations.

Anne, which language did you read it in?

(sorry Jill, I know this is the Brueckner thread, just curious to know    )

OK, thanks. 

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/auch-im-fall-maddie-verdaechtig-auftakt-der-plaedoyers-im-prozess-gegen-christian-b-erwartet-dpa.urn-newsml-dpa-com-20090101-241002-930-249434

Start of the pleadings in the trial against Christian B. expected

October 2, 2024, 3:30 am

After almost 40 days of hearings, a verdict in the trial against Christian B. is getting closer. Before that, however, the public prosecutor, the co-plaintiffs and the defense attorneys have their say.

Directly from the dpa news channel: This text was automatically taken from the German Press Agency (dpa) and has not been edited by the SZ editorial team.
Braunschweig (dpa) - The trial against Christian B., who is also suspected in the Maddie case, for five serious sexual offenses is coming to an end. According to an announcement by the Braunschweig Regional Court, the taking of evidence could be closed in the hearing on Wednesday (from 9 a.m.). The public prosecutor's plea is expected to follow in this case. 
The 47-year-old German is accused of three rapes and two cases of sexual abuse of children, which he is said to have committed in Portugal between 2000 and 2017. The trial is attracting a lot of attention, especially because the sex offender, who has a previous conviction, is suspected of murder in the case of three-year-old Madeleine "Maddie" McCann, who disappeared from a Portuguese holiday resort in 2007.
However, the Maddie complex is not officially the subject of the current proceedings. The presumption of innocence applies. The defendant considers himself innocent and his defense has repeatedly emphasized that, in their view, their client must be acquitted.


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