Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be

by **Bluebagthepirate** 11.10.24 21:06

BerntS wrote:The British Empire which obviously has tentacles into little Portugal's political and thereby the justice system.....
Amaral can attest to this, and deduction tells us that Amaral and him going after the guilty was not acceptable after a prime minister met a certain president....

There was definitely a political deal going on.

What the hell made it go to this level?

by Justice for Maddie 11.10.24 21:19

Yes, this case is a high-level cover-up. This is not new. But why? Were the McCanns in contact with a pedo/human traffic ring, but the plan was changed because of Maddie's accident? Their (pedo)-friend Freud was a friend of PM G. Brown. thinking

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by Jojo1 11.10.24 21:41

I am well and truly confused by all the political interference. It's a minefield. I don't suppose we will ever know why the McCanns had so much protection and still do.

by **sharonl** 11.10.24 21:49

Justice for Maddie wrote:Yes, this case is a high-level cover-up. This is not new. But why? Were the McCanns in contact with a pedo/human traffic ring, but the plan was changed because of Maddie's accident? Their (pedo)-friend Freud was a friend of PM G. Brown.

And Clement Freud's son was on Epstein's guest list.

by **Nina** 11.10.24 23:30

Justice for Maddie wrote:Yes, this case is a high-level cover-up. This is not new. But why? Were the McCanns in contact with a pedo/human traffic ring, but the plan was changed because of Maddie's accident? Their (pedo)-friend Freud was a friend of PM G. Brown.

Gordon Brown went to Freud's funeral,

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2009/apr/24/sir-clement-freud-funeral

by **CaKeLoveR** 11.10.24 23:48

The McCann's themselves didn't have the wealth or status to mix with the likes of such people. It seems to me that their connection to them is peripheral, and came about because of Madeleine's disappearance. I can't think of how, though.

by **BerntS** 12.10.24 1:17

Gordon Brown to the rescue.
Keep it simple.
As long as a government cover up is initiated, it can never be exposed.
Anyone here knows details about the process of how The Gold Steering group was set up so soon, and who were the members....?
TGSG set OpG in motion under SY umbrella, and those in charge there, call the shots.

by **Silentscope** 12.10.24 3:18

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/information_about_the_madeleine

Tony's FOI request was refused along with many others.

by pinkgladioli 12.10.24 9:10

5th May 2007 John Reid with no prior warning resigns as Home Secretary
8th May 2007 Gold Steering Group set up
10th May 2007 Tony Blair announces he’s stepping down as Prime Minister

According to an article I’ve only seen written in the Guardian that when Jill Renwick contacted the McCann’s wider circle of friends on the 4th May 2007 Des Browne (Defense Secretary) was said to have been contacted

I reckon there would be a huge possibility of GM paths crossing with the likes of JR and DB at Celtic Football Club as seemingly both were season ticket holders,
According to KM’s book Cherie Blair had telephone communications with her

The Blair’s have frequented a villa owned by a well known singer in Portugal there has been past rumours surrounding this singer

by Justice for Maddie 12.10.24 9:34

pinkgladioli wrote:5th May 2007 John Reid with no prior warning resigns as Home Secretary
8th May 2007 Gold Steering Group set up
10th May 2007 Tony Blair announces he’s stepping down as Prime Minister

According to an article I’ve only seen written in the Guardian that when Jill Renwick contacted the McCann’s wider circle of friends on the 4th May 2007 Des Browne (Defense Secretary) was said to have been contacted

I reckon there would be a huge possibility of GM paths crossing with the likes of JR and DB at Celtic Football Club as seemingly both were season ticket holders,
According to KM’s book Cherie Blair had telephone communications with her

The Blair’s have frequented a villa owned by a well known singer in Portugal there has been past rumours surrounding this singer

Cliff Richard's villa? And isn't he also an (alleged*) pedo?

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/international-home/cliff-richard-britain-sex-abuse-scandal.html
https://news.sky.com/story/sir-cliff-richard-singer-feared-dying-of-heart-attack-after-facing-child-sex-assault-claims-12630350

Portugal seems to be a pedo paradise...

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by **Bluebagthepirate** 12.10.24 10:22

Cliff was cleared.

by Honesty 12.10.24 11:40

So were OJ Simpson and Jeremy Thorpe.

by **Silentscope** 12.10.24 13:02

So was Christian Brückner.

ontopic

by **CaKeLoveR** 12.10.24 13:14

If the cover up is to protect very wealthy, powerful, influential, famous and occasionally titled people, where do the McCann pair fit in, being none of the above mentioned? How did they enter the 'elite' orbit? They have one dodgy acquaintance in the form of Fillomena's ex husband, but he's also small fry, compared to Brown and Blair. That's what I don't understand.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 12.10.24 13:14

Honesty wrote:So were OJ Simpson and Jeremy Thorpe.

So where the Birmingham 6 and the Guilford 4.

Calling cliff a pedo and not saying "alleged" is asking for trouble for the forum.

by Honesty 12.10.24 13:25

Silentscope wrote:So was Christian Brückner.

Do you mean you think CB was guilty?

by Honesty 12.10.24 13:28

Bluebagthepirate wrote:
Honesty wrote:So were OJ Simpson and Jeremy Thorpe.
So where the Birmingham 6 and the Guilford 4.

Calling cliff a pedo and not saying "alleged" is asking for trouble for the forum.

I agree re "alleged" but I was responding to your post "Cliff was cleared".

by Justice for Maddie 12.10.24 13:36

Bluebagthepirate wrote:
Honesty wrote:So were OJ Simpson and Jeremy Thorpe.
So where the Birmingham 6 and the Guilford 4.

Calling cliff a pedo and not saying "alleged" is asking for trouble for the forum.

Sorry for my wrong choice of words. What I should have said is that I know there was an investigation against him.

by Jojo1 12.10.24 14:38

Whilst it is clear that there has been a high level cover up via the British establishment, imo we are reading too much into the interconnection of various people. The McCanns weren't that well connected surely, and imo ended up in the periphery of whatever political shenanigans was going on behind the scenes. We are just making the whole McCann charade more complicated by going round in circles about who knew whom and in what capacity. The was a load of political interference yes, but I really cannot see why. That, we may never know and will always be veiled in a shroud of secrecy like much of politics behind the scenes.
The media circus that the McCanns instigated was imo the cause of the vast political interference from various territories.
Sorry if I am not making much sense.

by **AnneCGuedes** 12.10.24 15:07

BerntS wrote:The British Empire which obviously has tentacles into little Portugal's political and thereby the justice system.....
Amaral can attest to this, and deduction tells us that Amaral and him going after the guilty was not acceptable after a prime minister met a certain president....

The Treaty of Windsor (1396), a diplomatic alliance still in force, did not prevent Robert Devereux's raid on Faro and set on fire.

Though the books of the Faro library were stolen and given to the Crown (including the first book printed in Portugal by the Jew Samuel Gacon, the Pentateuch, still in the British Library..), the British Empire doesn't exist anymore...

by **Bluebagthepirate** 12.10.24 15:17

Jojo1 wrote:The was a load of political interference yes, but I really cannot see why. That, we may never know and will always be veiled in a shroud of secrecy like much of politics behind the scenes.

No harm in lifting the corners of carpets.

The media circus that the McCanns instigated was imo the cause of the vast political interference from various territories.
Sorry if I am not making much sense.

The media circus was orchestrated by the government's number one "media monitor" who gave up a cushy job for a parents of a missing child who could be found within days.

There is political interference and there is this.

by **Nina** 12.10.24 16:27

Could it be linked to COMARE?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1007412303088591

by pinkgladioli 12.10.24 17:32

Was Clarence Mitchell on the scene when Philomena was in Scotland with Politicians then when she went to Westminster?

by Jojo1 12.10.24 17:42

Bluebagthepirate wrote:
Jojo1 wrote:The was a load of political interference yes, but I really cannot see why. That, we may never know and will always be veiled in a shroud of secrecy like much of politics behind the scenes.
No harm in lifting the corners of carpets.

The media circus that the McCanns instigated was imo the cause of the vast political interference from various territories.
Sorry if I am not making much sense.
The media circus was orchestrated by the government's number one "media monitor" who gave up a cushy job for a parents of a missing child who could be found within days.

There is political interference and there is this.

Makes more sense when you put it like that Bluebag. But why was there such political interference so quickly? For what purpose?

by deepeepee 12.10.24 20:05

Jojo1 wrote:...Makes more sense when you put it like that Bluebag. But why was there such political interference so quickly? For what purpose?

I think it is true that we will never know what the cover up is about. It could be all sorts of secret stuff that certain people decided needed to be kept hidden. It could be something minor or it could be something massive or it could be a mixture of all manner of different things or agendas which mean very different things to many different people.
Any cover up this big is always submerged in lies, disinfo, confusion etc on purpose...

My point is there is nothing much to be gained by trying to think of possible reasons without any evidence of substance to go on. It is all simply speculation.

It may be useful to point out and report on the size of the cover up and all the inconsistencies etc as that may persuade more people to get interested and if it got really big may influence certain things.

The powerful in this world have many ways to keep their secrets safe i.e. massive press/media control, plausible deniablity, dodgy legal system, threats and intimidation and even violence if necessary. Ordinary folk don't really have a chance to combat this.

I have no love for Donald Trump in the slightest but this interview is a good example. And this 'threat' is to the sitting US President from the Senate majority leader:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYyXv2l4-I
You can tell he knows what he is talking about bounce

Politics is very, very dirty and corrupt.

Sorry if that is a bit depressing but it is how it is, I think. We need to stick to things that we can show good evidence for.

by **CaKeLoveR** 12.10.24 20:25

I can't ignore the fact that an ordinary British couple have somehow become part of everything you describe, deepeepee.

by **Ladyinred** 12.10.24 20:27

It's quite mind-boggling.

by **BerntS** 12.10.24 20:41

Look for the simplest explanation and you'll be closest.
My take on that is that the home office did a background check on the group and found something of interest.
Combined with the fact that around 85% of small children injured, killed or missing, close relatives or friends of the family are involved.
When they soon learn that the children were locked in for the adults to wine and dine in the closest restaurant, they knew a huge embarrassment could be imminent.

Blair is informed and he sends Clarrie down to control what comes out in the media.

Next in line was Gordon Brown on the way up and in (pun intended). Gerry was friend of his brother and someone close to the tapas friends contacted GB for help.

Gold Steering group was set up for damage control at first. After the Gaspars showed up at Leicestershire Police 18th of May, they knew what they feared could be true, so a patsy was needed, so they initiated OpG under the SY umbrella to seem legit.....to find one.

by deepeepee 12.10.24 20:54

Yes and no...
Keep it simple but I just don't buy that such a massive operation would swing in to place virtually immediately and in such a coordinated way just to avoid some embarassment.
It just seems way too much of a response. I feel there is something else going on but I also think we will probably never know what that is.
These are the same people that are reponsible for official secrets for 30 (and sometimes a 100!) years. The Dunblane shooting for example.

by Clishmaclaver 13.10.24 0:09

pinkgladioli wrote:Was Clarence Mitchell on the scene when Philomena was in Scotland with Politicians then when she went to Westminster?

11th May - Philomena at Prayer Vigil, St. Andrew's Cathedral, Glasgow.
12th May - " " Celtic Park for 'merching' and meeting the late Alex Salmond.
16th May - " " Westminster to lobby M.P.s

Mitchell's statement in the McCann: P.J. Files

He met G at Leicestershire Police station during the time that G had returned to the U.K. after his daughter's disappearance. At the time, he was working as part of the Consular Assistance Group. He went to Portugal with G on 22nd May and stayed until the middle of June.

However, PeterMac's post of 3.9.24 under 'Brick Reviews' stated that Philomena arrived on 23rd May, the same day as G returned from the U.K. with Mitchell
and
'She probably brought the memory stick with the doctored pool photo on it, which allowed Mitchell to send it off to APF on 23rd and for it to be published on 24th'.

Anyway, there's not much of a difference there.

However, we don't exactly know if Auntie Phil and Clarrie met up at some point, or if they at least communicated, do we? There could even have been somebody acting as a go-between.

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