Re: What really Happened? Part 3 - Gerry

by crusader 25.08.24 10:11

But Martin Smith didn't say it was Gerry in his first statement.
In a later statement he did, by that time he must have seen photo's of Gerry and put two and two together and only thought it could be him.
He never made a positive identification.
I'm really only interested in the first statements.

by Ladyinred 25.08.24 11:46

Wasn't it Gerry carrying Sean down the plane steps the moment Mr. Smith realised who he saw on that eventful evening?

by crusader 25.08.24 11:57

Yes as I said above, but more by the way he was carrying Sean.
I don't recall reading anywhere that the Smith family had been asked or shown photo's of Gerry by G Amaral if it was him he saw that night at the time they made their first statements.
It was Martin Smith who contacted his local Irish police and said he thought it could be Gerry after seeing him alighting the aircraft.

by Paddingtom 25.08.24 14:49

Bluebagthepirate wrote:
And I've still not seen any evidence at all of a car involved with the Smithman sighting ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]).

Thats how cunning they are. spin

CM earned his keep.

The police didnt find anything because they were looking for a corpse which had never been near the car. Had they tested it for dna of Russell, Gerry and Ella, I suspect , they would have found it. But they would have had a hard time proving it was anything other than friends going out in the car for a drive. Cunning.

by Bluebagthepirate 25.08.24 20:03

Paddingtom wrote:
Bluebagthepirate wrote:
And I've still not seen any evidence at all of a car involved with the Smithman sighting ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]).

Thats how cunning they are. CM earned his keep.

The police didnt find anything because they were looking for a corpse which had never been near the car. Had they tested it for dna of Russell, Gerry and Ella, I suspect , they would have found it. But they would have had a hard time proving it was anything other than friends going out in the car for a drive. Cunning.

So... no evidence then. None. Nada. Zip.

Not a sausage.

by Paddingtom 26.08.24 7:27

Congratulations to you Nina on your 63th Wedding anniversary.

I hope you have a day filled with happiness. bounce

by **PeterMac** 26.08.24 8:06

crusader wrote:Yes as I said above, but more by the way he was carrying Sean.
I don't recall reading anywhere that the Smith family had been asked or shown photo's of Gerry by G Amaral if it was him he saw that night at the time they made their first statements.
It was Martin Smith who contacted his local Irish police and said he thought it could be Gerry after seeing him alighting the aircraft.

This is interesting as a Case History:
Someone sees something but only much later realises it might be significant and reports it.

There may well be people who did not report what they saw
because the whole focus was on the evening of Thursday 3/5/7

But now the evening of Wednesday 2/5/7 has come into play they realise that things they saw THAT evening
and into the early morning of 3/5/7 might well be significant.

by Bluebagthepirate 26.08.24 8:14

crusader wrote:Yes as I said above, but more by the way he was carrying Sean.

Like this?

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by crusader 26.08.24 8:52

I think the Smith family saw a man carrying a child in the same way as Gerry carried Sean from the aircraft.
And that's it, there is nothing else.
Not one person from the Smith family can positively identify that man as Gerry, so it's a dead end.
In my opinion anyway.

by Nina 26.08.24 11:18

Paddingtom wrote:Congratulations to you Nina on your 63th Wedding anniversary.

I hope you have a day filled with happiness.

Thank you xx

by Paddingtom 27.08.24 7:36

Bluebagthepirate wrote:

And I've still not seen any evidence at all of a car involved with the Smithman sighting

So... no evidence then. None. Nada. Zip.

Not a sausage.

If there was evidence it would be called....er, oh yes, FACT

So, Like Bernt who has got None. Nada. Zip.Not a sausage. of evidence for his 2nd May suggestions, We call them Theories.

by Bluebagthepirate 27.08.24 9:25

Paddingtom wrote:
Bluebagthepirate wrote:

And I've still not seen any evidence at all of a car involved with the Smithman sighting

So... no evidence then. None. Nada. Zip.

Not a sausage.

If there was evidence it would be called....er, oh yes, FACT

So, Like Bernt who has got None. Nada. Zip.Not a sausage. of evidence for his 2nd May suggestions, We call them Theories.

You've obviously not read the book and I get the feeling you are subtlety undermining it.

by crusader 27.08.24 9:30

I had a theory about what happened to Madeleine, but not a shred of evidence, I was convinced I was right.
So again a dead end.

by Cake Lover 27.08.24 10:49

A lot of theories turn out to be wrong, but that doesn't mean we should stop, does it? The McCanns have treated the world to some laughable rubbish and everybody on the right team (us) must surely keep poking into everything about the case, regardless of whose idea it is. Just imo.

by Justice for Maddie 27.08.24 16:13

What have UK/Ireland, Portugal, Spain/Mallorca in common?: The McCanns live there or were in holiday there. But the interesting fact is that in all these locations there is a big Masonic brotherhood. What do you guys think about the rumor/theory that Gerry is a Freemason? It's a very interesting topic and this brotherhood is very powerful.

by **Jill Havern** 27.08.24 16:17

Justice for Maddie wrote:What have UK/Irland, Portugal, Spain/Mallorca in common?: The McCanns live there or were in holiday there. But the interesting fact is that in all these locations there is a big Masonic brotherhood. What do you guys think about the rumor/theory that Gerry is a Freemason? It's a very interesting topic and this brotherhood is very powerful.

Bernt sent his emails to Gerry using Masonic 'codes' and he responded and went to the Hill where he was caught on camera.

Just saying.

nails

by pinkgladioli 27.08.24 17:16

Little segments below from Patricia Camerons statement 15 April 2008

I remember asking him for contacts of people in Portugal so we could call them

We went Manchester and stayed at a friends house before catching the first flight of the morning on Sat 5 May 2007

We arrived in Portugal on Saturday morning, where a friend lent us a car to use, and we went to PDL

… it does make you wonder who the contacts and friends actually were and what the chances are of them purchasing tickets on the 33 Bus!

by Cake Lover 27.08.24 17:21

It's very handy having friends in the appropriate places, isn't it.

by Clishmaclaver 27.08.24 17:49

The Masonic code mentioned in Bernt's book is, indeed, interesting. Had G still been living in Glasgow, I would tend to think that he wouldn't be a Freemason (think local culture and all that ... !). He would perhaps have been more interested in joining the Catenians (is Uncle B.K. not one?) or the Knights of St. Columba, i.e. if he hadn't been too busy with studying/working/going down south to see K or too young to even consider that sort of scene.

However, G is in England and G is very ambitious!

Freemasonry doesn't prohibit Catholics from joining the fraternity, but the R.C.Church considers membership to be incompatible with the R.C. faith. Freemasons accept the existence of a Supreme Being, and religion is not a criterion for admittance.

Think about the bloodcurdling roars and G prostrating himself on the ground on the night of 3rd May!!!

by Nina 27.08.24 18:01

Clishmaclaver wrote:The Masonic code mentioned in Bernt's book is, indeed, interesting. Had G still been living in Glasgow, I would tend to think that he wouldn't be a Freemason (think local culture and all that ... !). He would perhaps have been more interested in joining the Catenians (is Uncle B.K. not one?) or the Knights of St. Columba, i.e. if he hadn't been too busy with studying/working/going down south to see K or too young to even consider that sort of scene.

However, G is in England and G is very ambitious!

Freemasonry doesn't prohibit Catholics from joining the fraternity, but the R.C.Church considers membership to be incompatible with the R.C. faith. Freemasons accept the existence of a Supreme Being, and religion is not a criterion for admittance.

Think about the bloodcurdling roars and G prostrating himself on the ground on the night of 3rd May

I wondered why he should prostate himself before the Portuguese police but maybe this could be a clue, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry_in_Portugal

by Liz Eagles 27.08.24 21:05

Nina wrote:
Clishmaclaver wrote:The Masonic code mentioned in Bernt's book is, indeed, interesting. Had G still been living in Glasgow, I would tend to think that he wouldn't be a Freemason (think local culture and all that ... !). He would perhaps have been more interested in joining the Catenians (is Uncle B.K. not one?) or the Knights of St. Columba, i.e. if he hadn't been too busy with studying/working/going down south to see K or too young to even consider that sort of scene.

However, G is in England and G is very ambitious!

Freemasonry doesn't prohibit Catholics from joining the fraternity, but the R.C.Church considers membership to be incompatible with the R.C. faith. Freemasons accept the existence of a Supreme Being, and religion is not a criterion for admittance.

Think about the bloodcurdling roars and G prostrating himself on the ground on the night of 3rd May
I wondered why he should prostate himself before the Portuguese police but maybe this could be a clue, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry_in_Portugal

My mother's family were Glaswegian. The men were masons.

by Justice for Maddie 27.08.24 21:16

Justice for Maddie wrote:What do UK/Ireland, Portugal and Spain/Mallorca have in common?: The McCanns live there or were on holiday there. But the interesting fact is that in all these locations there is a Masonic brotherhood. What do you guys think about the rumor/theory that Gerry is a Freemason? It's a very interesting topic and this brotherhood is very powerful.

History of Freemasonry

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by Justice for Maddie 27.08.24 21:47

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by Bluebagthepirate 28.08.24 7:45

^^^^^

Seriously, what do they look like! Ridiculous.

by pinkgladioli 28.08.24 8:49

Have a look at their Facebook page
There’s a post from the 27th July that is interesting

by Justice for Maddie 28.08.24 9:48

WOW

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This nugget, gives a variety of explanations for the origin and pronunciation of the word ‘hele’, ending with a relatively definitive one.

United Grand Lodge of England

by pinkgladioli 28.08.24 10:51

I initially thought WOW as well, especially the date it was posted as it was just before Bernt’s interview,
It made me wonder if it was some sort of message being conveyed to like minded others

Thinking about it the post is more than likely just coincidence although on the grand scale of things I deffo will not rule out that there hasn’t been some sort of possible involvement by some sort of secret society