Re: Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case

by Cake Lover 05.07.24 18:37

There could have been some cctv footage, though? Goncalo Amaral said he was too late too view any, as it had been wiped, or taped over.

by sandancer 06.07.24 9:52

Thank you Anne , I mentioned that earlier knew I'd read it about cctv being banned except in certain areas .

by Liz Eagles 06.07.24 14:50

Shash T wrote:Hooray! My book has arrived! Can't wait to start reading it.

Mine is on its way.

by Nina 06.07.24 15:52

Liz Eagles wrote:
Shash T wrote:Hooray! My book has arrived! Can't wait to start reading it.
Mine is on its way.

No skipping pages, you might miss a vital clue. I am very envious I cant get past the courier page.

by AnneCGuedes 06.07.24 22:05

Cake Lover wrote:There could have been some cctv footage, though? Goncalo Amaral said he was too late too view any, as it had been wiped, or taped over.

Not sure why GA said what he said. A building can be equipped for security with cameras to scan the accesses, certainly not the street.

by Nina 06.07.24 22:52

AnneCGuedes wrote:
Cake Lover wrote:There could have been some cctv footage, though? Goncalo Amaral said he was too late too view any, as it had been wiped, or taped over.

Not sure why GA said what he said. A building can be equipped for security with cameras to scan the accesses, certainly not the street.

Is that now or also in 2007?

by AnneCGuedes 06.07.24 23:03

Still like that.
1 - Video surveillance systems may only be used for the purposes set out in the Internal Security Law, approved by Law no. 53/2008, of 29 August, and specifically for:
a) Protecting public buildings and infrastructures and their access;
b) Protecting critical infrastructures, sensitive points or facilities of interest to defence and security and their access;
c) Supporting the operational activity of security forces and services in complex police operations, namely large-scale events or other high-risk or high-threat operations;
d) Protecting the safety of people, animals and property in public places or places to which the public has access, and preventing the commission of offences in places where there is a reasonable risk of them occurring;
e) Prevention of terrorist acts;
f) Operational response to ongoing security incidents;
g) Traffic control and safety of people, animals and goods on the roads;
h) Prevention and repression of road traffic offences;
i) Control of the movement of people at external borders;
j) Forest protection and rural fire detection;
k) Support for external search and rescue operations.
2 - Under the terms of this law, the installation of video-surveillance systems in police premises serving the public is also permitted.

by Shash T 07.07.24 14:17

Hi Nina. The courier page was confusing. In the end I chose the option and pressed continue and it worked. The payment page stumped me too as I don't have a credit card or the other payment options. I continued anyway and paid by debit card, which was accepted.

by Nina 07.07.24 16:02

Shash T wrote:Hi Nina. The courier page was confusing. In the end I chose the option and pressed continue and it worked. The payment page stumped me too as I don't have a credit card or the other payment options. I continued anyway and paid by debit card, which was accepted.

Many thanks for your kind and informative reply I will try to do what you did. I only have a debit card too friends

by **Jill Havern** 07.07.24 17:23

I remember having the same problems when I ordered GA's book and it took me ages to get to the checkout, by which time I realised there were 3 books in the trolley and I didn't want to risk going back and starting again...so now I'm the proud owner of 3 books written in Portuguese that I can't understand.

think

But it was for GA, so every little helps.
I hope.

by Bluebagthepirate 08.07.24 17:57

I got to the creche records in the book.

I'm trying to work out how they did this on 3rd May.

I noticed Ella was booked in last, very late at 9.50

Is it possible that Gerry took Ella in at 9.10 as Madeleine and the last booking for Ella was done when there would be no more additions to the list?

by Silentscope 08.07.24 18:29

While Ella O'Brien is on Topic.

Does anyone know Evie O'Brien's Date of Birth in 2005?

Madeleine Beth McCann (born 12 May 2003) is a British missing person who, at the age of 3, disappeared from her bed in a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, ...

At the beginning of their pregnancies they had been given a similar due date, although Madeleine was born about a month before (page 2) Ella.

Questioned, states that this was the second time that the four couples came together (the first was at David and Fiona's marriage, in Italy), although he has already vacationed with two or three couples, but not with the group presently in Portugal. He remembers that, in September of 2005, three couples, excluding the deponent and his wife, went on holiday to Mallorca and that they did not accompany them as Jane tanner was in the final stages of pregnancy. (Evie?)

Source: https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

by crusader 08.07.24 19:15

Snipped from Bluebag post 701.
Is it possible that Gerry took Ella in at 9.10 as Madeleine and the last booking for Ella was done when there would be no more additions to the list?

This could be possible, but how did they work the afternoon session when the only girls there were Madeleine and Ella?
After 4:30 when Russ picked up Ella, there would only be 1 girl, Madeleine and 2 boy's, Alexander Mann and William Totman.

by AnneCGuedes 08.07.24 20:14

sandancer wrote:Regarding cctv, If I remember rightly it was not allowed to face onto public streets only on private grounds .

I'm sure the camera the PJ tried to access footage from was at a hotel .

If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me , my memory is not what it was !

No file mentions the PJ trying to access footage from the private residential complex GA speaks of (you're right, cameras can't focus on the street).

by Bluebagthepirate 08.07.24 23:01

crusader wrote:Snipped from Bluebag post 701.
Is it possible that Gerry took Ella in at 9.10 as Madeleine and the last booking for Ella was done when there would be no more additions to the list?

This could be possible, but how did they work the afternoon session when the only girls there were Madeleine and Ella?
After 4:30 when Russ picked up Ella, there would only be 1 girl, Madeleine and 2 boy's, Alexander Mann and William Totman.

Madeleine was a late signing in that afternoon.

Ella and Alexander were 2.30 and Madeleine is "14.56".

Could have been done when no one was paying attention.

William Totman was 3.30 (why bother?)

Ella was strangely signed out by "Cat Nanny" who is the object of much suspicion in the book.

by crusader 09.07.24 7:15

The creche sheet on the 3rd have mostly been written by the same person.
In fact most day's the same person made them out in my opinion, Naylor didn't know the name of their own child from one day to the next.

by Paddingtom 09.07.24 7:22

https://metro.co.uk/2013/10/19/madeleine-mccann-cctv-footage-of-suspect-was-deleted-says-goncalo-amaral-4152295/

by Bluebagthepirate 09.07.24 7:33

Paddingtom wrote:https://metro.co.uk/2013/10/19/madeleine-mccann-cctv-footage-of-suspect-was-deleted-says-goncalo-amaral-4152295/

I strongly suspect Amaral is quoted out of context here.

This is a 2013 pro-abduction British media article in the war of Mccann v Amaral.

by deepeepee 09.07.24 9:06

Ir appears that the foreign detective website is not available any more. I hope it is not a sign of something ominous.

https://foreigndetective.com

here is what is shown...

Bad Request
Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand.

I have tried with other browsers and from different locations with the same result.

by crusader 09.07.24 9:28

Same here, I don't think it's up and running yet.

by GreenTara 09.07.24 10:09

It was fine just a day or two ago, it was just waiting for content. I wonder what that’s about…

by Cake Lover 09.07.24 10:16

I tried to look at the web site, and 'bad request' appeared.

by Bluebagthepirate 09.07.24 11:25

It's back.

by deepeepee 09.07.24 11:40

Bluebagthepirate wrote:It's back.

yep, all OK, it seems smilie

by Nina 09.07.24 12:59

deepeepee wrote:Ir appears that the foreign detective website is not available any more. I hope it is not a sign of something ominous.

https://foreigndetective.com

here is what is shown...

Bad Request
Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand.

I have tried with other browsers and from different locations with the same result.

Try this link, https://foreigndetective.com/home

by deepeepee 09.07.24 13:27

Its OK now, Nina. The site was offline this morning but now all is OK as said previously.

by Paddingtom 09.07.24 14:39

Bluebagthepirate wrote:
Paddingtom wrote:https://metro.co.uk/2013/10/19/madeleine-mccann-cctv-footage-of-suspect-was-deleted-says-goncalo-amaral-4152295/
I strongly suspect Amaral is quoted out of context here.

This is a 2013 pro-abduction British media article in the war of Mccann v Amaral.

https://youtu.be/58HZBFhzp3E?si=ejpmwqhdhAz5NIor

by crusader 09.07.24 17:01

It's obvious G Amaral sent officers out to check security cameras, so there must have been security cameras around Praia da Luz to check on.
The fact they missed this crucial camera is why he was furious.

by Bluebagthepirate 09.07.24 17:02

Paddingtom wrote:
Bluebagthepirate wrote:
Paddingtom wrote:https://metro.co.uk/2013/10/19/madeleine-mccann-cctv-footage-of-suspect-was-deleted-says-goncalo-amaral-4152295/
I strongly suspect Amaral is quoted out of context here.

This is a 2013 pro-abduction British media article in the war of Mccann v Amaral.

https://youtu.be/58HZBFhzp3E?si=ejpmwqhdhAz5NIor

That does not contain the quote(s).

The same quotes can be found in all the pro-abduction British media.

Mr Amaral said: “I believe that the person carrying a child in his arms was captured on film from that very camera.
“I asked my officers to gather all the CCTV footage in Luz but, by the time they got to this hotel, the film from this camera had been wiped over.
"It was a mistake and I will always regret it. I do feel Madeleine was let down.”

Quotes.

Not joined together within one quote... so proper context?

Paul Luckman in the Sky News video appears to be "Our Man in Priara da Luz" and is very pro-abduction.

So... what does Amaral actually believe about the Smith sighting?

Same as most of us here I suspect along with Bernt Stellander.

by Bluebagthepirate 09.07.24 17:05

Amazingly those quotes are carried verbatim by all the British papers.

I wonder who wrote the original (pink) article.

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