Re: Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case

by **PeterMac** 24.05.24 5:17

Jill Havern wrote:It's definitely a page-turner of a book. I haven't got to the juicy bits yet, but I think I'm almost at the point where he's going to start his field camera work as he's now pinpointed the location.

BUT the book is sooooo heavy that it actually hurts me to read it - physically I mean. I just can't get in to a comfortable position.
I've read 100 or so pages so far, but I'm having a rest and some painkillers

I DO recommend physically cutting it into three parts,

Sharp knife, insert between pages 274/5, and 602/3
Draw the knife down and make multiple passes to cut through the thick glue binding and then through the
thick card cover.
You then have THREE volumes, each still quite big

by **Jill Havern** 24.05.24 6:05

Brutal.
But after needing painkillers from trying to read a paperback ( big grin

) that's what I've had to do - but only cut through the last bit, because flicking through the first 2/3rd's of the book it's mainly what we already know from following this case over the years either on this forum or various other sites.

I may revisit it after I've read the last 'volume'.

I'm really interested in the investigation, field cam work...and I've just got to the part where Gerry and the first 'Nugget' make their first appearance on the hidden camera at the location of what Mr Stellander believes is Maddie's burial site...the 'cave' and the 3 memorial clues.

The next chapter is where he starts his solo operation...let the fun begin!

I have to say it's a very suspenseful book, extremely well written for someone whose first language is not English (you'd never know).

Very impressed so far...let's see how the rest of it pans out.

by **PeterMac** 24.05.24 17:28

As we all begin to warm up, it is important for people to understand that Stellander did not Contact the Mccanns, or confront them, and tell them where he had found the site.
He didn't know at that stage.
So he 'teased them', by sending anonymous emails, using a subterfuge to avoid being traced, and posing as a 'helper' and supporter, in a special way to be understood only by Gerry, saying that someone else was poking around, and that there was interest . . . (I paraphrase)
Nothing more than that.
Then waited, and they turned up, but the first time walked past where he was, so he moved up the hill further, and gradually pinned it down to a specific area - still quite large - but manageable.
Then he set up the cameras.
The another email, and so on.
This took YEARS. Not weeks.

FOR RESEARCH AND UNDERSTANDING PURPOSES ONLY
I reproduce the first such email.

Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case - Page 4 Email_10

And that is it. A helper, with a coded 'signature', trying to help.
And sometime between 8th and 4th December they BOTH marched into the Fieldcam view.

HINT: It gets better.

This was a carefully thought through operation.
Outwitting intelligent people is always tricky but if they are vulnerable, not difficult.
If they are not vulnerable, as DCI Amaral wasn't, it can very difficult, which is why he saw through the whole thing by the end of the first day,
but not a single Investigative journalist was bright enough to see past or behind the 'official story', or indeed any of them

by Cake Lover 24.05.24 17:44

But we were. No wonder they went for Tony, Pat Brown and Jill. They weren't brave enough to go after you Petermac. That must really annoy them.

by **crusader** 24.05.24 18:01

I must be a bit slow, I don't understand any of it.
I get the email, but why didn't they ignore it, I would.
Why would Gerry trust someone he didn't know who say's they want to help him.
What am I missing? confused

by **PeterMac** 24.05.24 18:11

THEY have tried, hard, through Jon Clarke who has been libeling and lying about me since the 10th anniversary 2017, in the Olive press, several times, and then at length in his book.
He sent me e-mails accusing me of ludicrous things, and threatening legal action - which I was able to refute, with copies to his alleged solicitors. None of them even acknowledged receipt, let alone answered.
Probably because there was no answer, and his legal friends may themselves no be embarrassed by his mendacious antics.
see the Chapter https://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/chapter-50-february-2022-quiet-month.html

by **PeterMac** 24.05.24 18:12

crusader wrote:I must be a bit slow, I don't understand any of it.
What am I missing?

GUILT AND FEAR

In Gerry’s own words :
“faced with such a situation we believe any human soul ultimately suffers torment and feelings of guilt and fear”

In their (alleged / purported/ supposed) position, knowing that discovery of the body with any trace of their involvement in its interment
would lead to a realisation that the “Fund” had been a massive and 17 year long Fraud Committed by British people in England,
and therefore subject to English Law, which not only has no Statute of Limitations for Crime, but since it is a continuing offence
and they continue to ask for donations, even that only served to exacerbate the egregious nature of the (alleged) crime -
would we not expect them at least to check to see how close they were to exposure ?
Or to send friends to have a look - as it seems they did ! - allegedly !🤪)
So they could plan their next move.
by having a secret meeting in a secret location instead of going to the Church - for example ?

by **Jill Havern** 24.05.24 18:26

crusader wrote:I must be a bit slow, I don't understand any of it.
I get the email, but why didn't they ignore it, I would.
Why would Gerry trust someone he didn't know who say's they want to help him.
What am I missing?

As Peter said above...the FD used a special coded signature that would mean something to Gerry as him being 'sent' as a 'helper'.

Very clever actually.

eta: I asked Peter that very same question before I got the book...why didn't they just ignore him?

by Cake Lover 24.05.24 18:31

How would he know what would mean something to Gerry? Who would have sent him?
You're not the only one Crusader!

by **crusader** 24.05.24 18:34

Has he withheld the special coded signature that he used to snare Gerry?
Have I got it now, Gerry already knew the coded signature before and was told if anyone contacted him, they would use it to identify themselves as a helper?

by **Jill Havern** 24.05.24 18:46

The FD has very clearly thoroughly researched this case over many years.

Also, don't forget the FD is former Military Police/Intelligence.

His whole five-years-long (I think) operation is based on his experience in the Norweigan army.

I don't think many people would have had the stamina to undertake this investigation, including the PJ and Grange...or they would have done by now.

by **Jill Havern** 24.05.24 18:48

crusader wrote:Has he withheld the special coded signature that he used to snare Gerry?
Have I got it now, Gerry already knew the coded signature before and was told if anyone contacted him, they would use it to identify themselves as a helper?

No, the coded signature is in the book. I'm just not sure I should say what it is, otherwise Peter would have included it in his screenshot.

But, yes, Gerry already knew the coded signature.

by **crusader** 24.05.24 18:49

I think he's absolutely remarkable, he's got them hasn't he.
I wonder how long it will be before it all kicks off.

by **crusader** 24.05.24 18:50

Thanks Jill, I understand.
The plot thickens.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 24.05.24 18:51

So how did he get hold of a coded signature?

This is fascinating but some holes need filing in... Just so we know we are not the idiots being fooled.

by **PeterMac** 24.05.24 18:51

Think funny handshakes. And strange numbers. And trouser legs, and silver trowels

by **PeterMac** 24.05.24 18:52

This thread is becoming as exciting as the book 🤪

by **Bluebagthepirate** 24.05.24 18:53

PeterMac wrote:Think funny handshakes. And strange numbers. And trouser legs, and silver trowels

Ah...

by **Ladyinred** 24.05.24 18:55

Could this be the beginning of the end?

I don't want to get too excited, just in case.

Nothing in the UK msm, surely they must be aware of the book.

by Cake Lover 24.05.24 19:04

I'm beginning to understand now. The number 33 - lodges - I can see it now. Would the McCann clan be able to claim that they were being harassed or stalked or entrapped or anything similar? I - well, we - would hate them to have a get out of jail card.

by **Jill Havern** 24.05.24 19:07

I don't think for one minute the UK media want this outed!

But now the book's being read and the websites will soon be 'live' then the genie won't go back in the bottle!

I can't wait to get to the end of the book but my neighbours noisy, squealing young grandchildren are visiting and usually I pump up the volume on my music - I can't concentrate on music or noisy kids when I'm reading.

cry3

by **Ladyinred** 24.05.24 19:10

Hope for you that they are not visiting for the week! Half-term now.

by **crusader** 24.05.24 19:11

Oh no, I'd get some noise cancelling earplugs, either that or give the kids some very chewy caramels.
What a lovely kind neighbour they will think you are. titter

by Cake Lover 24.05.24 19:14

Are gob stoppers still available?

by **Jill Havern** 24.05.24 19:25

PeterMac wrote:This thread is becoming as exciting as the book 🤪

It certainly is exciting.

I want to get to the end, but I don't want to finish it either.

by **Jill Havern** 24.05.24 19:37

The digital version will be available soon.

That will make things much easier to copy and paste parts of the book to the forum.

Get it on Amazon Mr Stellander thumbsup

by **PeterMac** 24.05.24 19:41

It is a work in progress, This is not the end. Someone is going to blink snd move first
Whether that is Kate who has seen her guilt and fear destroy her career - and allegedly their marriage - or one of the Tapas 7
Who wants to become a prosecution witness rather than a co-conspirator in an - alleged - series of crimes known to English law
or with luck the PJ with a full team and proper equipment . . . Is not yet clear.
But someone will break ranks. They always do.

by Cake Lover 24.05.24 19:50

I see many 'mental health' excuses on the horizon.

by **PeterMac** 24.05.24 20:39

Kate may be able to use ‘extreme physical marital coercion as a defence. We saw the bruises, read her book where she describes how Gerry held her shoulder and squeezed it while she was making her statement and answering questions,
we have read the part of the book where she spoke about “ending it all,” and “shouting the truth from the rooftops,” and how even the book is not the full truth

by **Ladyinred** 24.05.24 20:58

Those involved will know about this book and consulted lawyers. Is that why there is no media coverage ?

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