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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Silentscope 20.09.23 8:49
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Instead, the Regional Court of Braunschweig has local jurisdiction for the charges and must decide on the opening of the proceedings.
The decision on the opening date in Germany is only now being forced?
After 3 Years?
Instead, the Regional Court of Braunschweig has local jurisdiction for the charges and must decide on the opening of the proceedings.
The decision on the opening date in Germany is only now being forced?
After 3 Years?
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Guest 20.09.23 12:51
not 3 years, the five cases only had been send to the court of first instance in december 2022. investigation times does not count in your country, the clock starts only when charged are brought.
and no, the ruling of a higher court in a district about jurisdiction rules over that of the opinion and verdicts of the lower courts.
and this is the highest court in this state, there are more seatings of supreme courts in niedersachsen, and after this it can not go higher in that state = bundesland that is a part of the republic of germany, but within they can take there own stands in law, but still the criminal law itself are grounded at the level of the republic. the so called german law.
and the national criminal german law leaves room for different decisions on aspects, that will be filled by the view of each state in its own right. officially each state even has its very own set of laws, and often parts are just left on purpose so each state can keep their own views about the matter.
and because it was a question about one of the fundamental principles of law, jurisdiction, it can easily step up through the ranks of courts, so the first instance court was regional of braunschweig, this was just the second, but also highest court that can deliver a verdict over braunschweigs regional court.
but that highest aka supreme is only about niedersachsen, but is is because of the nature of the question, very likely to ask an opinion of a national court, and even the european.
the consept and meaning of jurisdiction by law in germany is not the most clear and easy stuff.
and it is a common rule everywhere, you check always, even at the start of any investigation if you have that jurisdiction, you do want that simply set in stone, because without it, you can not use the privileges that make investigations possible.
and it never was easy stuff, but because people change habits, and forget easily they have a duty to register an address, or do not want to do that, it becomes even more complicated.
and it are also not short pieces of texts in that part of german law, but it looks like it that the defense used a small passage in the last resort text, that you also have to have the will, to belong somewhere. and that this will can overrules a registration in the past, that was not officially ended.
and this is extra complicated, because cb his last place before leaving germany is mostly just his story. and from that story not the only place he stayed, he also had access to a plot at the gardens in the region of braunschweig. but also stayed near friends and on the roads.
so the defense pleaded, because cb also kept belongings associated with living somewhere, like clothing and personal stuff on the site at the old box factory, that was the site he showed intent and that will to be resident.
that will and showing your intent for residence is only something you get into when people do not choose to live on a common registered address like a home, that has also an official documented address. so people who stay in short stay rentals, hotels, travelers, wanderers and homeless people then it gets into complicating things. so even when the laws tells you have to be registered on a address, the eu even says an address in the eu, where you stay the most days in a given year, does not mean people are following that as a rule and do that.
and for most it is almost impossible to register in that way, because they have no plans about when they are where and for how long, also registration points are usually only open in marginal day time office hours.
there are also other countries, or in a country of independent states as germany, to have rules about how long you can legally stay, that are in conflict with what people do will and show intent in.
and do not forget you can legally stay in every part of the eu. but with abiding local law and rules. most only choose the first part.
and what happened here, cb tried to escapes rules around his last getting out of jail bond, caught the bus line to the netherlands, and took there a connection to italy, most likely he just used one of the eastern cities near the german border, at that time, there have been transfer stations around arnhem and zutphen too, no need to travel to amsterdam or utrecht. only if he wanted to use a train, travelling further was needed, because the international trains from the eastern cities all travel through germany. only the western half goes over belgium and france south.
so he stayed some time in italy, said he was robbed of, or lost his papers, so got into stranger detention to make identification possible, because he could not give a solid address in italy itself. and italy found the extradition marking from germany.
so he was extradited from italy to germany by plane and landed at frankfurt airport.
at the moment he is in jail, and that does not count in germany as a legal address for jurisdiction, what is a different question mark when you let go your mind over it.
so even if you do make use of willing and with intent, frankfurt can never be that, he was not very likely willing in that arrival. or by intent on that plane at all.
wolters just took the last registered address in germany, but he lived their no longer, and probably even had no longer access to that address, or a way to show the will and intent to be there. if he had played by the rules, he would have de-registered that as his address, but he choose not to do that.
registration usually ask also for a legal existing address with residency options to it, and the old box factory lost that long ago or never had that, and the garden plot would not be feasible to register residency.
it is not of much weight if there are indeed living conditions like water and a sewer connection, that is only when you want a plot to get an registered address as an object for residency. by law it are different elements.
if you are too strict with registering an address it would make it impossible to get a homeless person under any jurisdiction at all.
and officially cb was to been understood as homeless, or equal to that.
but will and will with intent are not things you can easily made into factual stuff.
so hcw said last known registered address was in our jurisdiction, and our law is where he resides under. the defense team said no, it must be in another state in sachsen anhalt at the old box factory, or where he set foot on the ground first after his extradition, what would be frankfurt.
so it became the sword of justice to put both to the test, the first instance said we go with the defense, that is now overruled by the higher court, the high or supreme court of niedersachsen, the state braunsweig resides under, and that court also has a seat in braunschweig itself, but it has a much larger area to rule over.
when the law does not give a solid answer, the judges can take in mind things like, there is already been done a lot of investigation, and things like, if cb was still connected to braunschweig in other ways than only having the will to be a resident there. even the set back in work load in the district of sachsen anholt could have put weight in.
but the verdict is for now only standing as given by this court and it means the lower court has to simply take the cases on, and directly the arrest that already was made official will be reinstated too. so there is nothing that stands in the way to start the procedures of the court case at the regional courts of braunschweig.
but do not count out the defense, there is always appeal possible because , there are still also national courts, and mostly because this about meaning and fundamental questions about the laws of jurisdiction, that could more easily become accepted at such a national court.
also a very different option could be laying down a complaint in sachsen anhalt, that their resident is unlawfully taken in as resident of the state of niedersachsen.
and you usually have the obligation to seek all possible legal ways in your country, before you can ask a ruling of the european courts, that will be just the next possible level.
we have it a lot easier, when jurisdiction becomes in dispute, there is a court that will handle all these cases. so it is only 1 step inland and the european court. most times you know of the dispute very early on, and jurisdiction is something you keep a check on, you just ask that court for a decision.
and because jurisdiction is such a important part in the law. it usually can be a nasty hold up in a case. but getting the case further on, you risk all, because it would become unlawful and you do not want that, because the defense knows what your witnesses expert and commoners had to tell. and nothing can be truly reused to the full extend in the next legally sound trial. so it has all to start from zero again.
and it is not something you easily can forget, it is one of the first subjects you get in every legal study or training, and it comes back in everything. jurisdiction it the difference between being just the joe average, or a officer of the law, in true single state countries the easy solution is give the full country to have jurisdiction jurisdiction in as an officer of the law. and it is almost always possible to get a court order about legal principles before you put the work in.
* i choose to use the defense team, cb has at the moment at least 4, but maybe even 5 different lawyers working his cases and other disputes, so it is not only the ff one in tow.
and no, the ruling of a higher court in a district about jurisdiction rules over that of the opinion and verdicts of the lower courts.
and this is the highest court in this state, there are more seatings of supreme courts in niedersachsen, and after this it can not go higher in that state = bundesland that is a part of the republic of germany, but within they can take there own stands in law, but still the criminal law itself are grounded at the level of the republic. the so called german law.
and the national criminal german law leaves room for different decisions on aspects, that will be filled by the view of each state in its own right. officially each state even has its very own set of laws, and often parts are just left on purpose so each state can keep their own views about the matter.
and because it was a question about one of the fundamental principles of law, jurisdiction, it can easily step up through the ranks of courts, so the first instance court was regional of braunschweig, this was just the second, but also highest court that can deliver a verdict over braunschweigs regional court.
but that highest aka supreme is only about niedersachsen, but is is because of the nature of the question, very likely to ask an opinion of a national court, and even the european.
the consept and meaning of jurisdiction by law in germany is not the most clear and easy stuff.
and it is a common rule everywhere, you check always, even at the start of any investigation if you have that jurisdiction, you do want that simply set in stone, because without it, you can not use the privileges that make investigations possible.
and it never was easy stuff, but because people change habits, and forget easily they have a duty to register an address, or do not want to do that, it becomes even more complicated.
and it are also not short pieces of texts in that part of german law, but it looks like it that the defense used a small passage in the last resort text, that you also have to have the will, to belong somewhere. and that this will can overrules a registration in the past, that was not officially ended.
and this is extra complicated, because cb his last place before leaving germany is mostly just his story. and from that story not the only place he stayed, he also had access to a plot at the gardens in the region of braunschweig. but also stayed near friends and on the roads.
so the defense pleaded, because cb also kept belongings associated with living somewhere, like clothing and personal stuff on the site at the old box factory, that was the site he showed intent and that will to be resident.
that will and showing your intent for residence is only something you get into when people do not choose to live on a common registered address like a home, that has also an official documented address. so people who stay in short stay rentals, hotels, travelers, wanderers and homeless people then it gets into complicating things. so even when the laws tells you have to be registered on a address, the eu even says an address in the eu, where you stay the most days in a given year, does not mean people are following that as a rule and do that.
and for most it is almost impossible to register in that way, because they have no plans about when they are where and for how long, also registration points are usually only open in marginal day time office hours.
there are also other countries, or in a country of independent states as germany, to have rules about how long you can legally stay, that are in conflict with what people do will and show intent in.
and do not forget you can legally stay in every part of the eu. but with abiding local law and rules. most only choose the first part.
and what happened here, cb tried to escapes rules around his last getting out of jail bond, caught the bus line to the netherlands, and took there a connection to italy, most likely he just used one of the eastern cities near the german border, at that time, there have been transfer stations around arnhem and zutphen too, no need to travel to amsterdam or utrecht. only if he wanted to use a train, travelling further was needed, because the international trains from the eastern cities all travel through germany. only the western half goes over belgium and france south.
so he stayed some time in italy, said he was robbed of, or lost his papers, so got into stranger detention to make identification possible, because he could not give a solid address in italy itself. and italy found the extradition marking from germany.
so he was extradited from italy to germany by plane and landed at frankfurt airport.
at the moment he is in jail, and that does not count in germany as a legal address for jurisdiction, what is a different question mark when you let go your mind over it.
so even if you do make use of willing and with intent, frankfurt can never be that, he was not very likely willing in that arrival. or by intent on that plane at all.
wolters just took the last registered address in germany, but he lived their no longer, and probably even had no longer access to that address, or a way to show the will and intent to be there. if he had played by the rules, he would have de-registered that as his address, but he choose not to do that.
registration usually ask also for a legal existing address with residency options to it, and the old box factory lost that long ago or never had that, and the garden plot would not be feasible to register residency.
it is not of much weight if there are indeed living conditions like water and a sewer connection, that is only when you want a plot to get an registered address as an object for residency. by law it are different elements.
if you are too strict with registering an address it would make it impossible to get a homeless person under any jurisdiction at all.
and officially cb was to been understood as homeless, or equal to that.
but will and will with intent are not things you can easily made into factual stuff.
so hcw said last known registered address was in our jurisdiction, and our law is where he resides under. the defense team said no, it must be in another state in sachsen anhalt at the old box factory, or where he set foot on the ground first after his extradition, what would be frankfurt.
so it became the sword of justice to put both to the test, the first instance said we go with the defense, that is now overruled by the higher court, the high or supreme court of niedersachsen, the state braunsweig resides under, and that court also has a seat in braunschweig itself, but it has a much larger area to rule over.
when the law does not give a solid answer, the judges can take in mind things like, there is already been done a lot of investigation, and things like, if cb was still connected to braunschweig in other ways than only having the will to be a resident there. even the set back in work load in the district of sachsen anholt could have put weight in.
but the verdict is for now only standing as given by this court and it means the lower court has to simply take the cases on, and directly the arrest that already was made official will be reinstated too. so there is nothing that stands in the way to start the procedures of the court case at the regional courts of braunschweig.
but do not count out the defense, there is always appeal possible because , there are still also national courts, and mostly because this about meaning and fundamental questions about the laws of jurisdiction, that could more easily become accepted at such a national court.
also a very different option could be laying down a complaint in sachsen anhalt, that their resident is unlawfully taken in as resident of the state of niedersachsen.
and you usually have the obligation to seek all possible legal ways in your country, before you can ask a ruling of the european courts, that will be just the next possible level.
we have it a lot easier, when jurisdiction becomes in dispute, there is a court that will handle all these cases. so it is only 1 step inland and the european court. most times you know of the dispute very early on, and jurisdiction is something you keep a check on, you just ask that court for a decision.
and because jurisdiction is such a important part in the law. it usually can be a nasty hold up in a case. but getting the case further on, you risk all, because it would become unlawful and you do not want that, because the defense knows what your witnesses expert and commoners had to tell. and nothing can be truly reused to the full extend in the next legally sound trial. so it has all to start from zero again.
and it is not something you easily can forget, it is one of the first subjects you get in every legal study or training, and it comes back in everything. jurisdiction it the difference between being just the joe average, or a officer of the law, in true single state countries the easy solution is give the full country to have jurisdiction jurisdiction in as an officer of the law. and it is almost always possible to get a court order about legal principles before you put the work in.
* i choose to use the defense team, cb has at the moment at least 4, but maybe even 5 different lawyers working his cases and other disputes, so it is not only the ff one in tow.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Silentscope 20.09.23 13:18
I still get the impression that although there is no time limit for the Investigation phase, someone has lost patience and has told them to get on with the actual Prosecution of these Cases.
apThis would be at least the Preliminary Hearing, if not the Full Court appearance.
IMO
apThis would be at least the Preliminary Hearing, if not the Full Court appearance.
IMO
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 20.09.23 13:19
But chances of a trial in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann I rate at absolute zero.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Silentscope 20.09.23 13:25
Agreed, but I am beginning to wonder if the 'wider Agenda' was to use all this as some sort of 'Distraction technique' during the Covid lockdown ?
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Guest 20.09.23 14:32
each criminal court cases starts with the first seating in pro forma, it is just a check up if all guidelines and law is followed, if there is a prosecution officer to work the case, and if there is a defense team, or not, that is the moment the judge will ask the suspect in court or defendant, understands that without legal representations he or she could harm the outcome of the trial.
it is more a formal legal meeting to see if all in the case is ready to take of.
but it still means the case is officially started. it is the legal starting point of every case.
also the suspect in court will hear again what is brought against him, and often a repeat of what articles of law will lay the ground under that.
so it is not an opinion, but just as criminal court cases do work. and the hearing can start much later, but is just another part or chapter of the courtcase, not a different one, the same as the verdict is a separate part or chapter, and the punishment can also be done in a separate part or chapter.
all parts are just together the court case.
and the other questions, did you loose your reading glasses, or have you a broken mouse, because your navigation is a bit off.
it is more a formal legal meeting to see if all in the case is ready to take of.
but it still means the case is officially started. it is the legal starting point of every case.
also the suspect in court will hear again what is brought against him, and often a repeat of what articles of law will lay the ground under that.
so it is not an opinion, but just as criminal court cases do work. and the hearing can start much later, but is just another part or chapter of the courtcase, not a different one, the same as the verdict is a separate part or chapter, and the punishment can also be done in a separate part or chapter.
all parts are just together the court case.
and the other questions, did you loose your reading glasses, or have you a broken mouse, because your navigation is a bit off.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by PeterMac 21.09.23 6:57
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and JON CLARKE ???
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by CaKeLoveR 21.09.23 8:54
Yes, why leave him out? He's just as wrong as the people mentioned.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 21.09.23 13:13
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Brueckner was named as the key suspect in the disappearance and murder of Madeleine last year, who vanished from her family's holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007 - just a few days before her fourth birthday. But he has still not been charged regarding her abduction and he denies his involvement.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
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Jon Clarke wrote: As well as the abduction and murder of the British toddle in May 2007, he is also due to be charged with five other serious sex crimes.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 23.09.23 16:04
Bilge, Germany's answer to The Sun, about as promising as Metodo3's home by Christmas prophecy..
BILD explains the investigation against Christian BrücknerJudicial chaos surrounding the trial of Maddie suspects
By: Kai Feldhaus
September 23, 2023 - 4:26 p.m
Braunschweig – Another turning point in the investigations against Christian Brückner (46).
The Higher Regional Court has ordered: A possible trial against the man who is said to have kidnapped and murdered little Maddie McCann (then 3) in Portugal in 2007 must take place in Braunschweig. The Braunschweig regional court is responsible for the case.
Accusation, complaint, decision, complaint, decision – there has been a legal tug-of-war over a possible trial against Brückner for months. BILD explains the confusion – and shows how things could continue.
The case of Hazel B.
It has been known since June 2020 that the BKA and the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office are investigating the Maddie case against the convicted pedophile Christian Brückner (46). The suspect is currently in custody for raping an American woman (†72). The investigation revealed numerous indications of other crimes that Brückner may have committed.
In October 2022, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office finally brought charges: Brückner is accused of five further sexual crimes, including the rape of the Irish woman Hazel B. (then 20) in Portugal in 2005. Maddie's case plays no role in this prosecution.
The indictment was the starting signal for a legal exchange between the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office and Brückner's lawyer Dr. Friedrich Fülscher (39).
The defense attorney doubted whether the Braunschweig regional court had jurisdiction over a trial against his client: Before Brückner left Germany and went to Portugal, his last residence was in Saxony-Anhalt, not in Braunschweig.
The regional court in Magdeburg is therefore responsible for a trial.
The Braunschweig Regional Court upheld the defense attorney's complaint and declared itself not responsible. The public prosecutor's office again lodged an appeal against this decision. Now the Higher Regional Court decided: Command back, the Braunschweig Regional Court is responsible for a possible trial against Brückner.
This is how it continues
There are two scenarios for the further course of the procedure. Both are likely to end up before the Federal Court of Justice (BGH).
It can be assumed that the regional court will open the rape trial in 2024. (The Maddie case still plays no role there.) Brückner's defense attorney has already announced that he will then challenge the jurisdiction again.
Scenario 1: The regional court upholds the defense attorney's complaint and again declares itself incompetent.
Consequence: The proceedings are discontinued. The public prosecutor's office lodges a complaint and the case ends up before the Federal Court of Justice.
Scenario 2: The district court rejects the defense attorney's complaint. The trial will take place, Brückner may be convicted.
Consequence: The defense appeals because of the question of jurisdiction, and the case ends up before the Federal Court of Justice.
No matter which scenario occurs, it will still be months before a final verdict is issued in the case of the five sex crimes for which Brückner is accused. The Maddie case doesn't play a role in any of this.
The Maddie McCann case
“The decision of the Higher Regional Court does not change anything for the investigation in the Maddie case,” said public prosecutor Christian Wolters to BILD. “We continued the investigation unchanged anyway because we were of the opinion that responsibility for all investigations against Christian B. lies in Braunschweig.”
These investigations are still not completed: “They are still ongoing. The results of the search operation from Portugal are not yet available.” A reservoir was searched there in May, where Christian Brückner is said to have often camped.
There are still no charges in sight in the Maddie case.
According to Wolters, it is theoretically possible that the investigation into Maddie would be completed and charges brought against Brückner before the proceedings in the Hazel B. case were completed: “Both proceedings run independently of each other and have hardly anything in common apart from the accused.
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BILD explains the investigation against Christian BrücknerJudicial chaos surrounding the trial of Maddie suspects
By: Kai Feldhaus
September 23, 2023 - 4:26 p.m
Braunschweig – Another turning point in the investigations against Christian Brückner (46).
The Higher Regional Court has ordered: A possible trial against the man who is said to have kidnapped and murdered little Maddie McCann (then 3) in Portugal in 2007 must take place in Braunschweig. The Braunschweig regional court is responsible for the case.
Accusation, complaint, decision, complaint, decision – there has been a legal tug-of-war over a possible trial against Brückner for months. BILD explains the confusion – and shows how things could continue.
The case of Hazel B.
It has been known since June 2020 that the BKA and the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office are investigating the Maddie case against the convicted pedophile Christian Brückner (46). The suspect is currently in custody for raping an American woman (†72). The investigation revealed numerous indications of other crimes that Brückner may have committed.
In October 2022, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office finally brought charges: Brückner is accused of five further sexual crimes, including the rape of the Irish woman Hazel B. (then 20) in Portugal in 2005. Maddie's case plays no role in this prosecution.
The indictment was the starting signal for a legal exchange between the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office and Brückner's lawyer Dr. Friedrich Fülscher (39).
The defense attorney doubted whether the Braunschweig regional court had jurisdiction over a trial against his client: Before Brückner left Germany and went to Portugal, his last residence was in Saxony-Anhalt, not in Braunschweig.
The regional court in Magdeburg is therefore responsible for a trial.
The Braunschweig Regional Court upheld the defense attorney's complaint and declared itself not responsible. The public prosecutor's office again lodged an appeal against this decision. Now the Higher Regional Court decided: Command back, the Braunschweig Regional Court is responsible for a possible trial against Brückner.
This is how it continues
There are two scenarios for the further course of the procedure. Both are likely to end up before the Federal Court of Justice (BGH).
It can be assumed that the regional court will open the rape trial in 2024. (The Maddie case still plays no role there.) Brückner's defense attorney has already announced that he will then challenge the jurisdiction again.
Scenario 1: The regional court upholds the defense attorney's complaint and again declares itself incompetent.
Consequence: The proceedings are discontinued. The public prosecutor's office lodges a complaint and the case ends up before the Federal Court of Justice.
Scenario 2: The district court rejects the defense attorney's complaint. The trial will take place, Brückner may be convicted.
Consequence: The defense appeals because of the question of jurisdiction, and the case ends up before the Federal Court of Justice.
No matter which scenario occurs, it will still be months before a final verdict is issued in the case of the five sex crimes for which Brückner is accused. The Maddie case doesn't play a role in any of this.
The Maddie McCann case
“The decision of the Higher Regional Court does not change anything for the investigation in the Maddie case,” said public prosecutor Christian Wolters to BILD. “We continued the investigation unchanged anyway because we were of the opinion that responsibility for all investigations against Christian B. lies in Braunschweig.”
These investigations are still not completed: “They are still ongoing. The results of the search operation from Portugal are not yet available.” A reservoir was searched there in May, where Christian Brückner is said to have often camped.
There are still no charges in sight in the Maddie case.
According to Wolters, it is theoretically possible that the investigation into Maddie would be completed and charges brought against Brückner before the proceedings in the Hazel B. case were completed: “Both proceedings run independently of each other and have hardly anything in common apart from the accused.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 23.09.23 16:18
Case Maddie exclusive
The most important witness
Helge B. speaks for the first time in BILD.
By: KAI FELDHAUS and CHRISTIAN SPREITZ (photos)
June 30, 2023 - 10:38 a.m
Praia da Luz (Portugal) – He is the man who started it all.
︎ That there is suddenly a suspect more than 12 years after Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
︎ That this suspect ended up in court and was sentenced to seven years in prison for raping an American woman (72).
︎ That the public prosecutor's office and the BKA are sure that they have caught Christian Brückner (46), the kidnapper of little Maddie. All of this comes from one man's statement.
The statement from Helge B. (52).
The BKA has been shielding Brückner's ex-comrade for years, hiding him in various places in Europe. Helge B. has never commented publicly. Until now.
BILD met him in a world-exclusive first interview at a secret location in southern Europe. Helge B. has a lot to tell:
- How Brückner accidentally confessed the crime to him.
- When he first alerted the police.
- And why, from today's perspective, he would rather not have done it.
“I didn’t expect the dimensions this would all take on,” says Helge B. after almost two hours of conversation. “It ruined my life.”
Maddie McCann disappeared on May 3, 2007
The first meeting with Brückner
Helge B.: “That was in the parking lot in front of a pub in Portugal. My friends Micha and Manni introduced me to Christian. He helped them with a breakdown, which I thought was good.
The first impression: a nice guy, likeable, easy to get along with.
I had heard that he gets into hotels, is a good climber, and goes in via the balconies. We then saw each other more often. I never had the feeling that there was anything wrong with it. When I found out what he really did, I was speechless.”
Theft
Helge B.: “I had heard that Micha and Christian were in custody. It was in the newspaper: Two Germans arrested. Manni said: I know where Brückner lives, he still has 1000 liters of diesel there. Let's take these with us. We went there and picked up a few canisters. The front door was open, so we just went in there. We searched the apartment, took a video camera, a bunch of films and a pistol.
We then went to my house, I had a big TV there and I saw the first videos there. Tourist shit, I thought. Until I came across the video of the older lady.
At first I thought: This is a feature film! You could see someone whipping the woman. She was tied up, lying on the bed, and was probably 70 or 80 years old. She had painted diving goggles on and couldn't see anything. She spoke English and shouted: You fucking bastard! At the end of the video he sat on the bed and pulled down the mask. Then I saw that it was the bridger.
I couldn't believe it at all. I told Manni: Come here, take a look at what's going on.
He looked for two minutes and said: I don't want to know anything about it. I said: Manni, that's the Brückner! I saw it, he took off his mask! On another cassette was the video with the old lady from a different position, and another film with a younger girl, 13, 14 years old. She was tied naked to a beam. Brückner sat behind them on the sofa and made fun of her. She said: This borders on rape! And he just: Shut up. Then I knew what kind of guy Brückner was.
I spoke to a police officer I know in Germany. He said: Helge, keep your hands off it. A lawyer told me the same thing. I was just unsure what could happen to me - I would have put myself in harm's way!
Manni threw the gun into a reservoir and I sold the camera. When I later left Portugal, I left the videos in my caravan. It’s unclear where they went.”
The confession"
Helge B.: “Christian didn’t know that we had joined him. His apartment had since been liquidated. The next time we saw each other was in 2008 at the Dragon Festival in Orgiva.
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I was sitting in my Mercedes and saw him in the rearview mirror. He joined us and we chatted. That was difficult for me - I knew what he had done, that the guy was extremely dangerous.
He asked me: Are you no longer going to Portugal and doing business there? No, I said, since the girl disappeared there, there have been too many police checks for me and I don't need that. We came across Maddie and I said: I don't understand how the little one could disappear so without a trace.
Christian had drunk two or three beers and then said: She didn't scream.
I immediately checked what he said. I thought: He knows that. He has something to do with it. I knew his background from the videos, and then he made one of these. Then I felt very miserable. The others didn't really understand it.
But he also checked that I understood that and then ran away at night. At 3 or 4 a.m. he left a crowded festival in his motorhome. I looked for him the next morning, his neighbors said: He’s gone.”
The statement
Helge B.: “I called Scotland Yard back in 2008. On the Maddie hotline. I said that I knew someone who probably had something to do with it and gave them the name. They took my personal details and my phone number. But nothing happened there. Nothing! I was never called back. I thought: Well, they'll take care of it.
In 2017, I had just completed a prison sentence in Greece. When I heard about the 10th anniversary of the disappearance, I remembered: The call apparently didn't do any good. Then I contacted Scotland Yard again.
Then they listened to me.
There was a first meeting with two officials in a hotel in Athens. I then flew to London and recorded my statement there. I never got any money for it. Not a penny. I didn't shorten my prison term by testifying. I only contacted Scotland Yard afterwards.
In 2018, the BKA reported: I was needed as a witness because Christian was to be brought to trial for raping the elderly woman in the videos. We then saw each other in court in 2019. This whole situation really took a toll on me. When I saw him, I thought: He's a pig. He’s sitting here for a reason.”
His destroyed life
Helge B.: “I didn’t expect the dimensions it would all take on. I don't think I would have done it again if I had known that. It ruined my life.
I lived in Corsica, was happy, had a job and no worries. Then all of a sudden it was all gone. There were reporters standing in front of my door at work, questioning my neighbors. They then asked me: Why do you know a guy like that? Then my past caught up with me. The gauntlet began. The BKA has reported: You have to get out of there until the matter has been dealt with. I've been on the run ever since. That's not fun. I long for my old life, but that’s no longer possible.”
His theory about Maddie's disappearance
Helge B.: “Of course Christian is considered innocent until proven otherwise. My theory is that he was planning a break-in. That it went wrong and he found the children in the apartment. And that he then took Maddie with him. That probably wasn't planned at all.
Based on everything I know about him, I definitely don't think he could do something like that. I think he kidnapped her. I don’t know if he killed her in the end.”
Why he's unpacking now
Helge B.: “It all has to come to an end. There are so many lies being spread about me and I can't do anything about it. I'm helpless. I tried to do something! I contacted Scotland Yard back in 2008! Why would I invent something like that? You can't make that up! Then I would be an even better liar than Munchausen! I also said from the beginning: I don't want the reward. They should donate the money. You can do better things with it. I don't need the money.
In retrospect, taking these videos with me was the biggest mistake of my life. I would have preferred not to know anything about it. I'm also not proud that I triggered this investigation. I'm not feeling well. I've gained weight, I have phases where I go crazy and don't sleep at night.
I'm always on the run, I don't have a home, I'm always careful about who I say something to. I don't have any friends anymore. My last boyfriend died in Corsica in October - and I wasn't even allowed to go to the funeral. My life looks so sad.
I would like there to finally be peace. It's clear to me that Maddie is no longer alive. As sad as it may be, it would be better if her body was found. I’m worried that Brückner will get away with it.”
His appeal to Brückner
Helge B.: “Christian, I hope you don’t get away with this story. With what you've done. You deny that these videos exist. These videos existed. Unfortunately they are missing. But I saw her.”
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The most important witness
Helge B. speaks for the first time in BILD.
By: KAI FELDHAUS and CHRISTIAN SPREITZ (photos)
June 30, 2023 - 10:38 a.m
Praia da Luz (Portugal) – He is the man who started it all.
︎ That there is suddenly a suspect more than 12 years after Madeleine McCann's disappearance.︎ That this suspect ended up in court and was sentenced to seven years in prison for raping an American woman (72).︎ That the public prosecutor's office and the BKA are sure that they have caught Christian Brückner (46), the kidnapper of little Maddie. All of this comes from one man's statement.The statement from Helge B. (52).
The BKA has been shielding Brückner's ex-comrade for years, hiding him in various places in Europe. Helge B. has never commented publicly. Until now.
BILD met him in a world-exclusive first interview at a secret location in southern Europe. Helge B. has a lot to tell:
- How Brückner accidentally confessed the crime to him.
- When he first alerted the police.
- And why, from today's perspective, he would rather not have done it.
“I didn’t expect the dimensions this would all take on,” says Helge B. after almost two hours of conversation. “It ruined my life.”
Maddie McCann disappeared on May 3, 2007
The first meeting with Brückner
Helge B.: “That was in the parking lot in front of a pub in Portugal. My friends Micha and Manni introduced me to Christian. He helped them with a breakdown, which I thought was good.
The first impression: a nice guy, likeable, easy to get along with.
I had heard that he gets into hotels, is a good climber, and goes in via the balconies. We then saw each other more often. I never had the feeling that there was anything wrong with it. When I found out what he really did, I was speechless.”
Theft
Helge B.: “I had heard that Micha and Christian were in custody. It was in the newspaper: Two Germans arrested. Manni said: I know where Brückner lives, he still has 1000 liters of diesel there. Let's take these with us. We went there and picked up a few canisters. The front door was open, so we just went in there. We searched the apartment, took a video camera, a bunch of films and a pistol.
We then went to my house, I had a big TV there and I saw the first videos there. Tourist shit, I thought. Until I came across the video of the older lady.
At first I thought: This is a feature film! You could see someone whipping the woman. She was tied up, lying on the bed, and was probably 70 or 80 years old. She had painted diving goggles on and couldn't see anything. She spoke English and shouted: You fucking bastard! At the end of the video he sat on the bed and pulled down the mask. Then I saw that it was the bridger.
I couldn't believe it at all. I told Manni: Come here, take a look at what's going on.
He looked for two minutes and said: I don't want to know anything about it. I said: Manni, that's the Brückner! I saw it, he took off his mask! On another cassette was the video with the old lady from a different position, and another film with a younger girl, 13, 14 years old. She was tied naked to a beam. Brückner sat behind them on the sofa and made fun of her. She said: This borders on rape! And he just: Shut up. Then I knew what kind of guy Brückner was.
I spoke to a police officer I know in Germany. He said: Helge, keep your hands off it. A lawyer told me the same thing. I was just unsure what could happen to me - I would have put myself in harm's way!
Manni threw the gun into a reservoir and I sold the camera. When I later left Portugal, I left the videos in my caravan. It’s unclear where they went.”
The confession"
Helge B.: “Christian didn’t know that we had joined him. His apartment had since been liquidated. The next time we saw each other was in 2008 at the Dragon Festival in Orgiva.
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I was sitting in my Mercedes and saw him in the rearview mirror. He joined us and we chatted. That was difficult for me - I knew what he had done, that the guy was extremely dangerous.
He asked me: Are you no longer going to Portugal and doing business there? No, I said, since the girl disappeared there, there have been too many police checks for me and I don't need that. We came across Maddie and I said: I don't understand how the little one could disappear so without a trace.
Christian had drunk two or three beers and then said: She didn't scream.
I immediately checked what he said. I thought: He knows that. He has something to do with it. I knew his background from the videos, and then he made one of these. Then I felt very miserable. The others didn't really understand it.
But he also checked that I understood that and then ran away at night. At 3 or 4 a.m. he left a crowded festival in his motorhome. I looked for him the next morning, his neighbors said: He’s gone.”
The statement
Helge B.: “I called Scotland Yard back in 2008. On the Maddie hotline. I said that I knew someone who probably had something to do with it and gave them the name. They took my personal details and my phone number. But nothing happened there. Nothing! I was never called back. I thought: Well, they'll take care of it.
In 2017, I had just completed a prison sentence in Greece. When I heard about the 10th anniversary of the disappearance, I remembered: The call apparently didn't do any good. Then I contacted Scotland Yard again.
Then they listened to me.
There was a first meeting with two officials in a hotel in Athens. I then flew to London and recorded my statement there. I never got any money for it. Not a penny. I didn't shorten my prison term by testifying. I only contacted Scotland Yard afterwards.
In 2018, the BKA reported: I was needed as a witness because Christian was to be brought to trial for raping the elderly woman in the videos. We then saw each other in court in 2019. This whole situation really took a toll on me. When I saw him, I thought: He's a pig. He’s sitting here for a reason.”
His destroyed life
Helge B.: “I didn’t expect the dimensions it would all take on. I don't think I would have done it again if I had known that. It ruined my life.
I lived in Corsica, was happy, had a job and no worries. Then all of a sudden it was all gone. There were reporters standing in front of my door at work, questioning my neighbors. They then asked me: Why do you know a guy like that? Then my past caught up with me. The gauntlet began. The BKA has reported: You have to get out of there until the matter has been dealt with. I've been on the run ever since. That's not fun. I long for my old life, but that’s no longer possible.”
His theory about Maddie's disappearance
Helge B.: “Of course Christian is considered innocent until proven otherwise. My theory is that he was planning a break-in. That it went wrong and he found the children in the apartment. And that he then took Maddie with him. That probably wasn't planned at all.
Based on everything I know about him, I definitely don't think he could do something like that. I think he kidnapped her. I don’t know if he killed her in the end.”
Why he's unpacking now
Helge B.: “It all has to come to an end. There are so many lies being spread about me and I can't do anything about it. I'm helpless. I tried to do something! I contacted Scotland Yard back in 2008! Why would I invent something like that? You can't make that up! Then I would be an even better liar than Munchausen! I also said from the beginning: I don't want the reward. They should donate the money. You can do better things with it. I don't need the money.
In retrospect, taking these videos with me was the biggest mistake of my life. I would have preferred not to know anything about it. I'm also not proud that I triggered this investigation. I'm not feeling well. I've gained weight, I have phases where I go crazy and don't sleep at night.
I'm always on the run, I don't have a home, I'm always careful about who I say something to. I don't have any friends anymore. My last boyfriend died in Corsica in October - and I wasn't even allowed to go to the funeral. My life looks so sad.
I would like there to finally be peace. It's clear to me that Maddie is no longer alive. As sad as it may be, it would be better if her body was found. I’m worried that Brückner will get away with it.”
His appeal to Brückner
Helge B.: “Christian, I hope you don’t get away with this story. With what you've done. You deny that these videos exist. These videos existed. Unfortunately they are missing. But I saw her.”
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 23.09.23 16:33
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Explosive statement from the witness in the Maddie case
Did Scotland Yard sleep for nine years?
By: KAI FELDHAUS and MONIKA KENNEDY
June 30, 2023 - 10:33 a.m
Praia da Luz (Portugal) – If this statement is true, then this is nothing less than a police scandal.
“I called Scotland Yard back in 2008. On the Maddie hotline. I said that I knew someone who probably had something to do with it and gave them the name.” This is what Helge B. (52), the most important witness in the Maddie McCann case, claims in an exclusive BILD interview .
At a music festival in Spain, Christian Brückner (46) accidentally confessed to him that he had kidnapped little Maddie (then 3) from her parents' apartment on May 3, 2007, the witness claims. Brückner spilled the beans.
Christian Brückner is said to have kidnapped Maddie
“He asked me: Are you no longer going to Portugal and doing business there? No, I said, since the girl disappeared there, there have been too many police checks for me and I don't need that at all," says Helge B., describing the conversation.
“We came across Maddie and I said: I don't understand how the little girl could disappear so without a trace. Christian had drunk two or three beers and then said: She didn't scream. I immediately checked what he said. I thought: He knows that. He has something to do with it.”
According to witness Helge B., he gave Scotland Yard this information by telephone in 2008. “They took my personal details, my phone number. But nothing happened there. Nothing! I was never called back. I thought: Well, they’ll take care of it.”
The explosive BILD interview is also making waves internationally: because Helge B.'s statements not only incriminate Scotland Yard's investigators, they are, above all, finally a real chance to solve what is probably the most famous missing person case in the world.
Only when he called the English police again in 2017 did Scotland Yard react: “Then they listened to me.” He made a statement, investigations against Brückner followed, ultimately a trial for rape and seven years in prison.
After Helge B.'s explosive statement, the question arises: Did Scotland Yard sleep for nine years? Could she have targeted the suspect as early as 2008 – and thereby prevented a series of crimes?
A look at Brückner's criminal file: In 2010 he was convicted in Hanover for forging documents, in 2011 in Niebüll for drug trafficking, in 2013 for theft, again in Hanover.
In 2014, the most serious crime occurred: the Maddie suspect abused his girlfriend's daughter. The police found child pornography on him, and he later received 15 months in prison for it.
If Scotland Yard had already investigated, the child would probably have been spared a lot.
The list of crimes doesn't end there. The following: weapons possession, attempted theft, drunk driving, assault (all 2015). The following year, Brückner went to Portugal.
Why was the 2008 notice left unaddressed? Why hasn't anyone contacted the witness? Scotland Yard left a BILD query about this unanswered.
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Explosive statement from the witness in the Maddie case
Did Scotland Yard sleep for nine years?
By: KAI FELDHAUS and MONIKA KENNEDY
June 30, 2023 - 10:33 a.m
Praia da Luz (Portugal) – If this statement is true, then this is nothing less than a police scandal.
“I called Scotland Yard back in 2008. On the Maddie hotline. I said that I knew someone who probably had something to do with it and gave them the name.” This is what Helge B. (52), the most important witness in the Maddie McCann case, claims in an exclusive BILD interview .
At a music festival in Spain, Christian Brückner (46) accidentally confessed to him that he had kidnapped little Maddie (then 3) from her parents' apartment on May 3, 2007, the witness claims. Brückner spilled the beans.
Christian Brückner is said to have kidnapped Maddie
“He asked me: Are you no longer going to Portugal and doing business there? No, I said, since the girl disappeared there, there have been too many police checks for me and I don't need that at all," says Helge B., describing the conversation.
“We came across Maddie and I said: I don't understand how the little girl could disappear so without a trace. Christian had drunk two or three beers and then said: She didn't scream. I immediately checked what he said. I thought: He knows that. He has something to do with it.”
According to witness Helge B., he gave Scotland Yard this information by telephone in 2008. “They took my personal details, my phone number. But nothing happened there. Nothing! I was never called back. I thought: Well, they’ll take care of it.”
The explosive BILD interview is also making waves internationally: because Helge B.'s statements not only incriminate Scotland Yard's investigators, they are, above all, finally a real chance to solve what is probably the most famous missing person case in the world.
Only when he called the English police again in 2017 did Scotland Yard react: “Then they listened to me.” He made a statement, investigations against Brückner followed, ultimately a trial for rape and seven years in prison.
After Helge B.'s explosive statement, the question arises: Did Scotland Yard sleep for nine years? Could she have targeted the suspect as early as 2008 – and thereby prevented a series of crimes?
A look at Brückner's criminal file: In 2010 he was convicted in Hanover for forging documents, in 2011 in Niebüll for drug trafficking, in 2013 for theft, again in Hanover.
In 2014, the most serious crime occurred: the Maddie suspect abused his girlfriend's daughter. The police found child pornography on him, and he later received 15 months in prison for it.
If Scotland Yard had already investigated, the child would probably have been spared a lot.
The list of crimes doesn't end there. The following: weapons possession, attempted theft, drunk driving, assault (all 2015). The following year, Brückner went to Portugal.
Why was the 2008 notice left unaddressed? Why hasn't anyone contacted the witness? Scotland Yard left a BILD query about this unanswered.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 23.09.23 16:35
I wonder why this star witness contacted The Metropolitan Police Maddie hotline (?) rather than the official investigative force - the Portuguese judiciary.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Silentscope 24.09.23 11:25
Let me guess - the Portuguese were not offering a Reward?
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by crusader 24.09.23 11:41
I think he didn't contact the PJ because they knew him and he didn't want them poking around investigating him.
By his own admission, he said he didn't go to Prai da Luz because there were too many police about.
By his own admission, he said he didn't go to Prai da Luz because there were too many police about.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 24.09.23 14:16
I think he's a big fat purveyor of porky pies.
As always, all this information for us to digest comes to our breakfast table via the press and media - not to relied upon. What they don't know they invent.
As always, all this information for us to digest comes to our breakfast table via the press and media - not to relied upon. What they don't know they invent.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 25.09.23 1:41
A day late and a dollar short..
TRIAL ‘DODGE’ FAIL Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian B fails to have investigators thrown off his case and delay trial
Rob Pattinson
Published: 21:00, 24 Sep 2023
MADELEINE McCann prime suspect Christian B has failed to have investigators thrown off his case.
His lawyers hoped to delay any trial and buy time for paedo B, by getting the German probe switched to another region.
But the bid to have the file snatched away from prosecutors in Braunschweig has been thrown out by a court.
It means investigators can push on with their bid to take the 46-year-old convicted paedophile and rapist to trial.
A decision to move the probe under a different jurisdiction could have set the case back years.
Investigator Hans-Christian Wolters told The Sun: “This is a relief for us.
“It is always nice when you get an affirmation of the way you had seen things.
"The Regional Court here had said Christian B’s last residence has been in Saxony-Anhalt, and therefore we were not the correct investigative jurisdiction for this case.
"We appealed to the Higher Regional Court.”
Its ruling — after six months of legal wrangling — is a boost to investigators following fears that key witness Helge Busching was about to withdraw his evidence.
B’s lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, said of the ruling yesterday: “The decision must be accepted at this point.”
Mr Wolters added: “What now needs to happen is the Regional Court must decide whether the degree of suspicion we have against Christian B is sufficient to hold a trial.
“If yes, they need to set the date for a hearing.”
Madeleine was on holiday with her family from Rothley, Leics, when she vanished from their apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia Da Luz, in 2007.
Prosecutors in Braunschweig believe that B took and murdered the three-year-old.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 25.09.23 1:46
Still there is no evidence to suggest Christian Brueckner was involved in any way with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Drop it - it's irrelevant.
Show some respect - leave the name Madeleine McCann out of your money grabbing sensationalism.
No one cares about Christian Brueckner, at least no one with Madeleine McCann at heart.
Come back when you've got something constructive to report, meanwhile see you in hell.
Drop it - it's irrelevant.
Show some respect - leave the name Madeleine McCann out of your money grabbing sensationalism.
No one cares about Christian Brueckner, at least no one with Madeleine McCann at heart.
Come back when you've got something constructive to report, meanwhile see you in hell.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 25.09.23 12:43
Madeleine McCann suspect loses legal bid to have trial delayed
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Prime suspect in Madeleine McCann case loses legal bid to have trial delayed
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By Oliver Trapnell - Published: 25/09/2023 - 10:14
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The prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann disappearance case has failed to have a legal bid to delay his trial approved.
Christian Brueckner attempted to push back his date in court by switching the German probe to another region.
The move, which would have moved the probe under a different jurisdiction, could have pushed the case back several months if not years.
However, the bid has been thrown out of court with investigators set to take the convicted 46-year-old paedophile and rapist to trial.
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“This is a relief for us,” Investigator Hans-Christian Wolters told The Sun.
“It is always nice when you get an affirmation of the way you had seen things.
“The Regional Court here had said Christian B’s last residence has been in Saxony-Anhalt, and therefore we were not the correct investigative jurisdiction for this case.
“We appealed to the Higher Regional Court.”
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Prime suspect in Madeleine McCann case loses legal bid to have trial delayed
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The prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann disappearance case has failed to have a legal bid to delay his trial approved.
Christian Brueckner attempted to push back his date in court by switching the German probe to another region.
The move, which would have moved the probe under a different jurisdiction, could have pushed the case back several months if not years.
However, the bid has been thrown out of court with investigators set to take the convicted 46-year-old paedophile and rapist to trial.
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“This is a relief for us,” Investigator Hans-Christian Wolters told The Sun.
“It is always nice when you get an affirmation of the way you had seen things.
“The Regional Court here had said Christian B’s last residence has been in Saxony-Anhalt, and therefore we were not the correct investigative jurisdiction for this case.
“We appealed to the Higher Regional Court.”
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by crusader 25.09.23 13:25
Good luck with CB getting a fair trial, they can't even decide where he will be tried or where he last lived.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 27.09.23 18:00
And talking of trial by media..
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The press have such a delightful way with words but pray tell me - why do you refer to Christian Brueckner as 'brazen'?
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The press have such a delightful way with words but pray tell me - why do you refer to Christian Brueckner as 'brazen'?
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by crusader 27.09.23 18:43
Damned if he does, damned if he don't
If he keeps quiet he's Brazen, if he say's anything, he's lying.
If he keeps quiet he's Brazen, if he say's anything, he's lying.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 30.09.23 0:56
Exclusive: Madeleine McCann cops vow to get justice as prime suspect on sex assault charge
Christian Brueckner is accused of exposing himself to a terrified 11-year-old in an Algarve playground in 2017, and his case is currently progressing through legal system
ByMartin FrickerSenior Reporter
18:10, 29 Sep 2023
Police told the family of a girl allegedly attacked by Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner : “We will get justice for you.”
Brueckner, 46, is accused of indecently exposing himself to the terrified 11-year-old in an Algarve playground in 2017. Last October, he was charged with that and a string of other sex offences alleged to have taken place in Portugal. But the girl’s family were left heartbroken when the charges were dropped following a court ruling over jurisdiction.
Last week, a higher court in Germany overturned that decision, however, meaning the prosecution can continue. Just weeks before the ruling, detectives had vowed to the schoolgirl’s relatives that they would get justice for her. A friend of the family, who live in Sao Bartolomeu de Messines, Portugal, told the Mirror: “They just want to see him in court.
"They were very sad when it seemed he would not stand trial because of the legal arguments in Germany. German detectives came to see them in the spring with Portuguese police and said not to worry. The police said justice will be done, they were confident another court would rule in their favour. Now everyone is waiting to see him go to court.”
The girl was sitting on a swing when Brueckner allegedly performed a sex act in front of her. It is one of five offences he is accused of carrying out in Portugal between 2000 and 2017. They include the alleged rapes of an Irish tour rep, a teenage girl and an elderly woman. He is also charged with exposing himself to a girl in April 2007.
Three-year-old Madeleine disappeared from the resort of Praia da Luz just a month later. Brueckner denies any involvement in the crime.
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Christian Brueckner is accused of exposing himself to a terrified 11-year-old in an Algarve playground in 2017, and his case is currently progressing through legal system
ByMartin FrickerSenior Reporter
18:10, 29 Sep 2023
Police told the family of a girl allegedly attacked by Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner : “We will get justice for you.”
Brueckner, 46, is accused of indecently exposing himself to the terrified 11-year-old in an Algarve playground in 2017. Last October, he was charged with that and a string of other sex offences alleged to have taken place in Portugal. But the girl’s family were left heartbroken when the charges were dropped following a court ruling over jurisdiction.
Last week, a higher court in Germany overturned that decision, however, meaning the prosecution can continue. Just weeks before the ruling, detectives had vowed to the schoolgirl’s relatives that they would get justice for her. A friend of the family, who live in Sao Bartolomeu de Messines, Portugal, told the Mirror: “They just want to see him in court.
"They were very sad when it seemed he would not stand trial because of the legal arguments in Germany. German detectives came to see them in the spring with Portuguese police and said not to worry. The police said justice will be done, they were confident another court would rule in their favour. Now everyone is waiting to see him go to court.”
The girl was sitting on a swing when Brueckner allegedly performed a sex act in front of her. It is one of five offences he is accused of carrying out in Portugal between 2000 and 2017. They include the alleged rapes of an Irish tour rep, a teenage girl and an elderly woman. He is also charged with exposing himself to a girl in April 2007.
Three-year-old Madeleine disappeared from the resort of Praia da Luz just a month later. Brueckner denies any involvement in the crime.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 30.09.23 1:03
Oh bog off you fricking Fricker, flashing is nothing new nor can it be proven unless captured on camera - even then intent is tenuous.
Flashers do it for kicks, they don't do it to demonstrate evil intention - that takes a whole new pervert to enter the scene. Flashers are not suspect paedophiles, they are sick individuals who get some sort of pleasure by shocking the onlooker.
If you're looking for a conviction you need evidence, that evidence is sorely lacking in every aspect of Brueckner speculation.
Let us know when something positive occurs - eh?
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Flashers do it for kicks, they don't do it to demonstrate evil intention - that takes a whole new pervert to enter the scene. Flashers are not suspect paedophiles, they are sick individuals who get some sort of pleasure by shocking the onlooker.
If you're looking for a conviction you need evidence, that evidence is sorely lacking in every aspect of Brueckner speculation.
Let us know when something positive occurs - eh?
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by sharonl 30.09.23 17:26
On the find Madeleine website, we have an age progression image of Madeleine aged 9, commissioned by the Met police.
We also have these quotes:
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.
Madeleine is still missing and someone needs to be looking for her.
They can't have it both ways.
We also have these quotes:
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.
Madeleine is still missing and someone needs to be looking for her.
They can't have it both ways.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Silentscope 30.09.23 18:03
There is nothing to suggest that Eddie and Keela lied either.
Unlike ‘Team McCann’ and their Entourage.
Unlike ‘Team McCann’ and their Entourage.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Ladyinred 30.09.23 21:59
I have always found this sentence to be extremely bizarre.sharonl wrote:
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by sharonl 30.09.23 22:01
Ladyinred wrote:I have always found this sentence to be extremely bizarre.sharonl wrote:
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.
Is there anything about this case that isn't bizarre?
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by sandancer 01.10.23 10:06
"There is nothing to suggest Madeleine has been harmed "
So being " taken from her bed " and from her family isn't going to harm her ?
So being " taken from her bed " and from her family isn't going to harm her ?
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