Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be

by **crusader** 15.04.24 11:01

That should be interesting, although I don't think it will include anything to do with Madeleine.
If and when Brueckner is in court for the abduction and murder of Madeleine, it will be interesting if detectives from Operation Grange are called to give evidence, unless of course, everything has already been said.

by **Silentscope** 15.04.24 11:11

It is all to do with Herr Fülscher's attempts to DESTROY the Credibility of Helge B as a Witness.

Which he is doing very well so far...

IMHO

by **crusader** 15.04.24 11:22

So far a lot of what Helge B has to say has been recorded one way or another.
It will be interesting to see if he has kept anything back for the court case, if not he has no proof of anything he say's, it's all supposition.

by **Silentscope** 15.04.24 11:41

Or like Carl Beech in the U.K., a well Researched and highly likely Lie.
Based on the testimony from Christian Post?

by **crusader** 15.04.24 11:55

There is one thing for sure, Helge B needs Brueckner to stay in prison, he's testified against him before to get him locked up.

by Cake Lover 15.04.24 12:19

This in-fighting between a vile group of people, using Madeleine's disappearance, is sickening in the extreme.

by **Silentscope** 16.04.24 16:23

More sickening is that several People in the UK are complicit in allowing this Farce to continue, when we already know that they have Lied so much about so many things.

I can understand Criminals wanting to sell their 'Stories' to make Money.

I cannot understand why anyone would allow their own Daughter to be used by them in this manner?

Unless this is what is wanted?

by Cake Lover 16.04.24 16:32

The McCann's are probably hoping this will go on forever, it keeps their names out of the matter. You are right, anybody else would be horrified, and publicly say so.

by **sharonl** 16.04.24 19:13

Cake Lover wrote:The McCann's are probably hoping this will go on forever, it keeps their names out of the matter. You are right, anybody else would be horrified, and publicly say so.

What was it that Gerry said about wanting to keep this high profile in the long term?

by Cake Lover 16.04.24 19:18

Yes, he did. As long as it's not his profile.

by **Silentscope** 17.04.24 11:33

The British Press are limiting their access to information on CB to Britain only, as this Report is not allowed to be read in Germany.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-sent-mum-32605518

Maybe someone else will Post it for me?
3 minutes old.

by **crusader** 17.04.24 11:41

Is this it.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-sent-mum-32605518
No that's the same as you posted.

by **Jill Havern** 17.04.24 11:53

Madeleine McCann suspect 'sent mum sickening messages about child, 4, on dating site'
A woman has told a German court that the suspect over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, Christian Brueckner, befriended her on a dating site and allegedly messaged her about her "cute" daughter

Brueckner, the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, later met the woman

ByMartin FrickerSenior Reporter
11:26, 17 Apr 2024

Christian Brueckner befriended a mum in an online ‘paedophile’ chat room and swapped messages about her “cute” daughter, a court heard.

Brueckner, the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, later met the woman and spent time alone with her child, it is claimed. The convicted paedophile allegedly asked for photos of the four-year-old and told her mum she should be a “model”.

He also drunkenly bragged to her about breaking into Algarve holiday apartments while naked and using a pair of tights as a mask, she said. She gave evidence in court in Braunschweig, where Brueckner is on trial accused of carrying out sex attacks on women and children.

The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said she met the German pervert online in 2013. “He wrote to me on a regular dating chat site, but I have since found out it’s where many paedophiles and sick people operate,” she said. “At the beginning I thought it was about me. But when I spoke to him, I mentioned my daughter. She was almost four.”

“He wasn’t threatening, otherwise I wouldn’t have allowed it,” the mum told the court. “I never had any cause to not let her go.” She said Brueckner was often drunk and would boast about raids he had carried out while living in Portugal. “He said he went into houses where people were sleeping,” she said. “He had tights over his head and had goggles on top. All this was not really for me, the idea of going past people who were sleeping, wearing goggles. I thought, ‘who does this?’.”

The woman said Brueckner, 47, claimed he had stolen a large amount of cash during one raid carried out with a female accomplice. “It must have been a lot,” she recalled. “I’m not sure if it was €100,000 but it was a lot.” Brueckner is accused of carrying out sex attacks on women and children in Portugal between 2000 and 2017.

One of the alleged crimes happened weeks before Madeleine vanished from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007. The trial at Braunschweig regional court is due to last until October. Brueckner was jailed for the rape of a pensioner in Praia da Luz in 2019 and is serving a seven-year prison term. German authorities named him as the prime suspect for Madeleine’s disappearance in 2020. He denies any involvement in the crime.

by **Silentscope** 17.04.24 12:31

Thanks Jill.

No wonder Fricker does not want this to be seen in Germany.

Sounds like complete rubbish to me.

by **crusader** 17.04.24 13:26

So this unknown woman met Brueckner on line, she met him in person and he told her he was a naked goggle wearing robber, she also said he was often drunk and he showed an interest in her Daughter who was 3.
She then let her toddler Daughter go out alone with him. think

by Cake Lover 17.04.24 13:34

Exactly, she's a slob and a moron (if she exists) and now she has had her 15 minutes.

by **Silentscope** 17.04.24 16:17

Strange is that I was under the impression that all the Court dates so far were planned for Fridays.

No one else has mentioned this revelation so far.

In fact since it was mentioned this entry has disappeared from the Google.de search list!

by MaxHeadroom 17.04.24 22:08

Silentscope wrote:
Sounds like complete rubbish to me.

Sounds like the typical "Claims Christian B. has done XY"-witness of the week to me. This circus has been ongoing for almost four years now and so many more or less (but mostly more) dubious witnesses have come forward, and still absolutely nothing has happened in tying him to the Madeleine case. How long will this continue? It really just gets boring and annoying.

by **Silentscope** 18.04.24 7:45

They are destroying their own Case against him with such pathetic and Ill-conceived Stories.

It just makes the Defending teams job easier if you ask me.

Propaganda pur

by Cake Lover 18.04.24 8:02

MaxHeadroom wrote:
Silentscope wrote:
Sounds like complete rubbish to me.
Sounds like the typical "Claims Christian B. has done XY"-witness of the week to me. This circus has been ongoing for almost four years now and so many more or less (but mostly more) dubious witnesses have come forward, and still absolutely nothing has happened in tying him to the Madeleine case. How long will this continue? It really just gets boring and annoying.

I was pretty dim to think it couldn't get any bigger. It's boring indeed, but I just have to keep up with it in case something which might be true and provable crops up.

by **Silentscope** 18.04.24 8:32

So far only the Salema playground incident seems to be the only Charge against CB that could be True or Proved.

Everything else is very difficult due to lack of Evidence and Time passed.

Renee H - probably washed out to Sea by a freak wave.
Johanna E - ?
Hazel B - ?
Unknown teen - ?
Unknown Pensioners - ?

by **PeterMac** 18.04.24 11:12

Is it not strange that the Judge in her wisdom is allowed all sorts of totally irrelevant "stuff' into the proceedings, and 'witnesses' are being allowed to give opinions based on no evidence all - One of them actually SAID that ! - on a matter which is not only not before the court, but on which Brückner has not been arrested, let alone interviewed or charged.

I am tempted to think that Fülscher is playing this well, allowing the 'witnesses' to speak freely and teasing all sort of nonsense out of them as they try to make their story sound more plausible, but end up contradicting themselves and all the others.

His Closing speech will be worth travelling to Braunschweig to hear. Jon Clarke will no doubt be there so he can write it up as "Exclusive" (and probably "Copyright"

)

Are Court transcripts in the public domain i wonder. Someone may know how we can get hold of a copy.

by **Silentscope** 18.04.24 16:34

Appeal in a criminal case at the District Court of Berlin. Shortly afterwards, the heavy doors close. From now on, sound recordings are no longer possible. Not for journalists, not for lawyers. And also not for the judges and prosecutors. Because in Germany, with very, very few exceptions, there is no record of criminal proceedings. Not in sound, not in picture, not even in writing. Since 1964, the law has provided for a ban on sound and film recordings for the purpose of public screening or publication. In very, very few cases, courts make use of the existing possibilities to record processes for non-public purposes. Unlike in many other countries.

Source: https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dokumentation-von-strafprozessen-100.html

The Law is however up for review soon. Various Political Party’s have Submitted their Proposals.

by Cake Lover 18.04.24 16:48

^^ that is an interesting article, especially the Auschwitz trial piece.

by **Silentscope** 18.04.24 17:07

Anyone who Publicises the procedures in a Closed Courtroom where the Public have been excluded would be Guilty under GVG State Security Law.

Then you really have ‘der Arsch Karte’ the heaviest Punishment.
Almost beyond Treason.

by **Silentscope** 19.04.24 19:08

Latest from Braunschweig

04/19/2024 - 3:08 pm Kai Feldhaus from BILD

Braunschweig (Lower Saxony) - At first, the ex-girlfriend only knew good things about Christian Brückner (47). He was a loveable man, "a very friendly, neat appearance". That the man who is said to have kidnapped and murdered little Maddie McCann (then 3) in 2007, also turned crooked things - this memory came back to her only slowly ...
Day 10 in the trial of the Maddie suspect, who is before the Braunschweig District Court for three rapes and two cases of sexual abuse of children.
In the witness stand: Marina F. (64), who had a loose relationship with Brückner in Portugal from autumn 2005. I was often in Portugal, my parents lived there. He approached me in a bar." She visited him several times in his house in Luz, even spent New Year's Eve with him.
The finca was "relatively tidy", stolen goods and burglary tools were not lying around there then. I have never seen expensive jewellery or passports. But I've never opened a cupboard either." Marina told the Court.
Later, he confessed to her that he financed himself by small fractions. I knew he was a Hallodri.(Gypsy) When we were together, he was grounded. Because I lead a completely normal life. Maybe he liked it. He's not a stupid person."
In the spring of 2006, her boyfriend was suddenly no longer available by phone: He was in prison for theft of Diesel.
Witness Christian P. had previously testified that Brückner had asked Marina F. and him to clean the house of suspicious objects.
Marina F. did not remember this at first in court: "I was not approached to clear up anything."
Judge and prosecutor were surprised by this. Prosecutor Ute Lindemann quoted from a letter sent by the defendant on the 1st. May 2006 from the detention had written to Marina F.: He asked Christian P. "several times to remove all traces from my house as soon as possible. (...) I'm afraid that the police will become aware of the house. The more you find, the more you can accuse me of, the longer I sit here. So far I can still laugh at the stupid police. If the stuff doesn't disappear soon, they'll laugh at me."
A to-do list of the witness was also discussed. Finely noted on it: Orders that had to be done in the house when Brückner was in prison. "2-3 large boxes and a few garbage bags" were to be disposed of, wardrobe, bedside table and chest of drawers were to be searched, cameras and films should be taken with you.
"That was 17 years ago. I didn't have it in mind anymore," the witness explained. I was aware that it is not legitimate. Where the evidence was obtained remained unclear.
In March 2007, her relationship with Brückner broke down, according to the witness. He had met someone, he also introduced her to me. They fit together quite well. I knew he was carrying out criminal acts. Also with his new girlfriend."

Source: https://www.bild.de/regional/niedersachsen/in-brief-maddie-verdaechtiger-lachte-ueber-dumme-polizei-661e330a68508715c78111e0

by **Jill Havern** 21.04.24 14:27

‘MADELEINE MCCANN SUSPECT CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER ABUSED MY FOUR-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER DURING DOG WALKS IN THE PARK – WHILE TAKING SICK PICTURES OF HER’
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JON CLARKE (PUBLISHER & EDITOR)

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A FORMER friend of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has revealed how he abused her child while out walking his dogs.
Anja K told a court in Germany that the sex offender took pornographic photos of his daughter in a park.
The German mother – who had become friends with the German paedophile via an online dating forum called Chat2000 – said he had abused the girl, aged just four, on various occasions.
On day nine of the sex crimes trial of Brueckner in Braunschweig, the single parent from Hanover said she had left her child alone with him, while she tended his kiosk in the city.
READ MORE: EXCLUSIVE: Child victim of sex assault in Portugal recognises Brueckner in the courtroom

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Christian Brueckner during his ongoing trial in Germany (COPYRIGHT OLIVE PRESS SPAIN)
Then 32, she had met him in the Spring of 2013 a year after he returned from Portugal and two short spells in prison.
She told the court how the 47-year-old – who is facing three rape charges and two assault charges against children, all in Portugal from 2000 to 2017 – had clearly only intended to groom her daughter.
“I wanted to get to know someone new,” she explained. “Christian was also single at the time. I wanted to get out of my environment, experience something different.
“At the beginning I thought he was Interested in me, but clearly I had written that I had a child.
“Initially, I never thought he was interested in my daughter.”

After a short while chatting online she spent the next six months travelling from her home in nearby Laatzen to visit Brueckner in Braunschweig.
She visited about once a month sometimes for several hours, sometimes for a whole day.
From time to time she also took her daughter – who loved his two dogs – even though Brueckner was permanently ‘drunk’ and he and his friends took drugs in the adjacent apartment of the kiosk, where he lived.
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One of the warehouses at Brueckner’s German box factory (COPYRIGHT OLIVE PRESS SPAIN)
“He continually drank beer and in the morning he still smelled of it from the evening before,” she continued.
“The place always stank of smoke, it was messy, not clean, and there was firewood stacked in the bedroom.”

She got to know him well and he started to trust her and open up about his life back in Portugal, where he lived from the mid 1990s until 2011, on and off.
In particular, she said he bragged about his burglaries in his Portugal years and how he broke into homes wearing a stocking mask and sometimes with swimming goggles.
He also told her how he frequently burgled homes naked and often even stepped around people sleeping to take his swag.
“I thought it was a joke,” the petite brunette mum told the court, admitting she didn’t really believe it, largely as he normally told the stories when he was drunk.
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Olive Press publisher Jon Clarke outside the kiosk where Brueckner used to work in Braunschweig (COPYRIGHT OLIVE PRESS SPAIN)
But one story really did stick in her memory, one that certainly bears credence and ties in with other evidence police and investigators have compiled.
This was a boast he made of one extremely lucrative burglary when he stole around ‘€100,000’, some of which (understood to be €38,000) he later used to buy a derelict box factory in Neuwegersleben, in Saxony.
Anja explained how Brueckner told her he had undertaken the robbery in a villa with the help of a woman he had got to know well on the Algarve.
Prison psychologist Dr. Christian Riedemann, who has been attending the trial as an expert witness, asked what Brueckner thought of her daughter.
“Christian thought she was cute and said she could become a model. I dismissed it. I dismissed everything he said,” she explained.
This was why she trusted him to take her out for walks to the park with his dogs, on the understanding she was ‘relieving’ him from the long hours he worked at the kiosk.
It was then that he was able to abuse her trust and take pornographic pictures of the girl, which police later seized.
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In a series of photos, over which he was prosecuted in 2017, he made her spread her legs while on a slide and on the grass of a local park.
According to the ruling of the District Court of Braunschweig, he pushed her panties aside and touched her private parts.
And in another photo, you can clearly see his erect penis with her behind.
These recordings, as well as hundreds of other child abuse photos and videos, were discovered in the summer of 2014 during a raid on his kiosk.
They were found on the memory card of his digital camera, kept behind the counter on a shelf by bars of chocolate.
By this point the net was tightening on Brueckner, who a year earlier had been handed his first summons at the kiosk over his connection to the Maddie case.
Police had suspected his involvement in her disappearance in May, 2007, when he was living near Praia da Luz and his name had come forward.
Unbelievably German police had given him three days to prepare himself for the interview, an error they have since admitted to.
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A warehouse where Brueckner kept many of his vehicles (COPYRIGHT OLIVE PRESS SPAIN)
But when the Hanover Public Prosecutor’s Office opened a case against him for the possession of child pornography – and the assault against Anja’s daughter – in the Spring 2016, he knew he had to flee Germany fast.
He had already been sentenced to 21 months in prison for drug dealing at Niebull Court in October 2011, for which he had received a suspended sentence on the basis he didn’t reoffend. This would now need to be served.
It was at this point he quickly canceled his contracts with both the kiosk and a nearby allotment and handed his white Mercedes Sprinter van he was buying on hire purchase to the local dealership.
A friend told the Olive Press he ‘knew he had to move fast as the net was tightening’.
He first drove a vanload of things to his box factory and then loaded up his blue Renault Twingo and off he went.
A European arrest warrant was issued for him, when police failed to find him in Germany to face the charges at Braunschweig court.
Just a year after returning to Portugal he was picked up again when in June 2017, he is said to have masturbated in front of children at an annual Snail festival, in Sao bartolomeu de Messines.
The arrest warrant was served and he was extradited back to Germany to face court in the Autumn that year.
Despite a judicial error when he was mistakenly allowed out for two weeks he was finally handed a 15 month sentence for the abuse of Anja K’s daughter and the possession of other child pornography.
As usual Christian Brueckner sat emotionless throughout the hour of testimony.
He would however have been happy with the testimony of two other witnesses called, who claimed to know nothing about the case.
Both Mario S (aka tattoo artist, Cheyanne) and his girlfriend Ukrike S insisted they had never met either Brueckner or other witnesses Helge Busching or Manfred Seyferth.
In incredibly short testimony, the pair who ran a hotel for bikers called Rebel Farm inland from the Algarve at Santa Clara, refused to open up.
Busching had claimed they knew about two rape videos Christian Brueckner is said to have made and they had ‘ended up’ at Rebel Farm after they stole them from his home near Praia da Luz.
But neither of the Germans – who moved to Bremen two years ago – would confirm any of it.

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/04/19/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-abused-my-four-year-old-daughter-during-dog-walks-in-the-park-while-taking-sick-pictures-of-her/

by **crusader** 21.04.24 14:49

I wonder what Anja K has to do with the present court case.
What happened to her daughter has been dealt with.

by **Silentscope** 21.04.24 15:42

This Olive Press Report seems to be a Copy or Translation of an RTL Story from 4 days ago.

Source: https://www.rtl.de/cms/prozess-gegen-christian-b-zeugin-er-stand-immer-unter-alkohol-5084120.html

This information was also available back as far as 2020 courtesy of der Spiegel.

Source: https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-madeleine-mccann-verdaechtiger-die-akte-christian-b-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000173444515

09.10.2020 — Anja K. besucht gemeinsam mit ihrer Tochter einen Mann, den sie über das Internetportal Chat2000 kennengelernt hat. Christian B. lebt mit ...

The Picture of Jon outside the Kiosk - he is wearing the same Clothing and Covid Mask he had on when he met with HCW.

Not new News...

by **crusader** 21.04.24 15:49

I remember reading about the child he molested a few years ago.

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