Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be

by Cake Lover 09.06.24 16:24

Oh dear. He must be feeling a bit of a dummkopf now.

by AnneCGuedes 09.06.24 16:37

"No one in the whole world will find more", lol ! Sure, there's no abductor to find ! Had the preposterous HCW read the PJFiles, he would have known.

by Silentscope 09.06.24 17:35

I beg to differ with Herr Wolters, that no - one in the whole World will find out more.

The only problem is that not only will the Press not want to Report it, but no-one will take any action upon it even when the Truth is staring them in the face!

by crusader 09.06.24 17:38

Herr Wolters has got tunnel vision where Brueckner is concerned.

by Cake Lover 09.06.24 17:45

But we knew his 'concrete evidence' was rubbish, celebrate

go us! Go us!

by sandancer 09.06.24 20:46

His " concrete evidence " has vanished in a pile of dust !

Anyone got a dustpan and brush ?

by Cake Lover 09.06.24 20:47

I wonder if he'll share his opinion of Bern's book with the world? big grin

by MaxHeadroom 10.06.24 8:30

crusader wrote:Herr Wolters has got tunnel vision where Brueckner is concerned.

If there are signs of the case getting closed, Fuelscher should already prepare a defamation suit against Wolters and Braunschweig public prosecutors' office. For four years, they have been trying so heavily to tie Brückner to the Madeleine case despite clear lack of evidence that his name will forever be associated with the case anyway.

by Silentscope 10.06.24 9:14

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by crusader 10.06.24 9:27

Herr Wolters could say with the evidence he had at the time, he was convinced Brueckner was guilty of the Murder of Madeleine. Aided and abetted by Scotland Yard.
Busching was a friend of Brueckner, so it's only his opinion he was guilty, he has no evidence of any kind.

by Silentscope 10.06.24 9:36

Busching according to his Scotland Yard Statement was never Friends with Brückner.

Brückner was a Friend of Michael Tatschl, an accomplice of Busching's.

by crusader 10.06.24 9:43

Well he would say that wouldn't he.
Thick as thieves, the lot of them.

by MaxHeadroom 10.06.24 11:00

crusader wrote:Herr Wolters could say with the evidence he had at the time, he was convinced Brueckner was guilty of the Murder of Madeleine. Aided and abetted by Scotland Yard.

He can be convinced by that, he would have known that it can't be true though had he read the PJ files, Amaral's books and so many other sources that already quite clearly concluded what happened many years before the name Christian B was first publicly associated with the Madeleine case.

by crusader 10.06.24 11:13

He wasn't interested in anything but getting Brueckner,
evidence to the contrary? I'm sure as far as he was concerned, it was all lies by McCann haters and a bumbling sardine munching police force.

by AnneCGuedes 10.06.24 17:27

MaxHeadroom wrote:If there are signs of the case getting closed, Fuelscher should already prepare a defamation suit against Wolters and Braunschweig public prosecutors' office. For four years, they have been trying so heavily to tie Brückner to the Madeleine case despite clear lack of evidence that his name will forever be associated with the case anywayrn Portuguese gynaecologist (he was not CB's lawyer at the time). He was appointed under the legal aid scheme. What about the other three lawyers? Who is paying them?

How far does Fülscher's power extend? Fülscher tried, apparently unsuccessfully, to revisit the DM case, which was judged against common sense, without taking into account the evidence of a sworn Portuguese gynaecologist (he was not CB's lawyer at the time). FF was appointed under the legal aid scheme. What about the other three lawyers? Who is paying them?

by Silentscope 10.06.24 21:27

The Kachelmann process commanded Fees of around €5,000 per Court day.

Johan Schwenn and partners Website explains the steps in English.

Remuneration for legal work can either be based on the statutory fee provisions of the Lawyers' Remuneration Act or on the basis of a remuneration agreement. The lawyer and client are always free to conclude such a remuneration agreement, but it is subject to certain legal requirements ( Section 49b of the Federal Lawyers' Code, Sections 3a to 4b of the Lawyers' Remuneration Act ). The agreement must be concluded in text form and must not be included in the lawyer's power of attorney. With a few exceptions, agreeing on a success fee is not permitted.

The decisive disadvantage of the statutory remuneration regulation is that it is economically advantageous for the lawyer, especially if a particularly large number of main hearing days have to be carried out. We would like to avoid such (almost always public) main hearings - where the defendant is required to be present - if possible. We therefore regularly do everything we can to avoid a court hearing by providing a written defense in advance. This saves our clients time and money.

For this reason, we usually conclude remuneration agreements with our clients. This is the fairest billing method for our clients and for us. Only the working hours required by the mandate are paid.

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by AnneCGuedes 10.06.24 22:37

FF is paid for by the State because CB has no resources. Would the other three lawyers work for free because this is a textbook case: a man accused by dodgy witnesses of having assaulted five imaginary or unidentified victims without any evidence; by proxy, because he could not be accused of the murder of Madeleine MC, despite 4 years of statements by an obsessional prosecutor which convicted him in a media court where there is no need to prove a crime in order to obtain a conviction ?

by Silentscope 11.06.24 9:25

Herr Fülscher, and his Team are supplied by the Solicitors Office.

It is the Anwalts Kanzelei (Solicitors Office) that gets the Legal Aid.

Lawyers in Germany are not allowed to Work for free. This is regulated in the Law.

(§ 49b Abs. 1 S. 2 BRAO)
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Even 'No Win - No Fee' is not allowed as far as I am aware, although some Firms take a percentage of any Winnings when the chance of success is definite.

by AnneCGuedes 11.06.24 17:19

"It is the Anwalts Kanzelei (Solicitors Office) that gets the Legal Aid". I can't find that sentence in the link describing any detail of the Bundesrechtsanwaltsordnung.
CB's 4 lawyers don't belong to the same Anwaltskanzlei.
FF wasn't hired by CB, he was imposed to him.
Philipp Marquort has a virtual law firm : [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Atilla Aykac belongs to Atilla & Yilmaz Rechtsanwälte (in Kiel)
Dennis Bock is a law professor

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I found an interview where FF, who qualifies himself as "public defender, paid by the State", says he's "not authorised to provide information on agreements made beyond this".

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by Silentscope 11.06.24 21:07

Friedrich Fülscher leads the Team of Defence Lawyers.

His Boss is Johann Schwenn, owner of the Lawyers Office. (Kanzlei)

His Contractual obligations to his Client do not allow him to speak about Confidential information unless his Client agrees to it.

by AnneCGuedes 11.06.24 23:51

JS and FF don't belong to the same law office : Schwenn's one is in Hamburg, Fülscher's one in Kiel. Do you have any link about Schwenn still being part of the defense team ?

by Silentscope 12.06.24 10:04

The defense lawyers of the suspect in the Madeleine McCann case have resigned. Lawyers Jan-Christian Hochmann and David Volke announced that they had informed the relevant investigating authority of this. They did not wish to give a reason for resigning their mandate.

The 43-year-old Christian B. is now being represented by the Kiel lawyer Friedrich Fülscher and the Hamburg lawyer Johann Schwenn. Fülscher told RTL/n-tv that his client does not wish to make any statements on the matter “at the moment”. “We ask for your understanding that we as defense lawyers also do not provide any information.”

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

Source:https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-maddie-anwaelte-von-tatverdaechtigem-legen-mandat-nieder-a-26d36bda-a318-4532-a5a4-00797d540b88

There seems to be no definitive current Information on whether Hr. Schwenn has laid down his Mandate recently.

For direct Questions: https://rechtsanwalt-strafrecht.com/kontakt/

by AnneCGuedes 12.06.24 14:44

Ok, but no media source mentions Schwenn as leading nor being part of CB's defense team after 2020. I asked Schwenn's law office over 6 months back but got no reply.

by Silentscope 12.06.24 16:33

Hr. Schwenn probably reduced his Profile due to some Windows being smashed and some Graffiti being sprayed on his Offices in Hamburg.

Fülscher has also recieved all sorts of Threats, some of which he has brought Charges against.

by AnneCGuedes 12.06.24 20:38

Do you have a link for that, Silentscope ?

by **Jill Havern** 13.06.24 10:36

EXCLUSIVE: HOW EMAIL ACCOUNTS USED BY MADELEINE MCCANN SUSPECT CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER ‘TIE HIM TO THE DISAPPEARANCE OF THE BRITISH TODDLER’

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THE Olive Press can reveal the emails Christian Brueckner used at the time Madeleine McCann was abducted in Portugal.
The German paedophile was using at least four accounts in May 2007, when the British toddler was snatched from her holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, on the Algarve.
The expat sex offender used one in his own name and another email [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to send and receive child pornography, which he bought and sold.
However, it has emerged that he deleted all emails from the inbox of at least one of the accounts from the beginning of 2007.
Detectives, who secured data from Microsoft and Meta from Ireland in 2019, believe they were deleted soon after an investigation into him over Maddie was launched in 2013.

The information on his direct links to the disappearance of toddler Maddie, then three, finally came out in a German court yesterday.
And today, the Olive Press can reveal the emails of two other accounts, as well as his online nickname on Facebook and Skype at the time.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Christian Brueckner during his ongoing trial in Germany (COPYRIGHT OLIVE PRESS SPAIN)
We can also reveal how he was working closely with a shady undertaker based in southern Germany, called Frank S, who was helping him buy and sell his child porn.
In one alarming conversation from 2013 Brueckner – who used the nickname ‘Holger Wahnsinn’ meaning ‘Madness of Holger’ – told the man he planned to snatch a child and abuse her for days.
He added he would make ‘lots of short films’ and ‘document exactly how she is tormented’.

As well as frequent chats on Skype, he also used three other accounts, the Olive Press can reveal.
One of these was in his own name shortened to ‘[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]’, another ‘[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]’ and a third was ‘[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]’, detectives in Germany have discovered.
One of these accounts – which Brueckner’s defence have been trying to get copies of – was described in court by a senior German detective as the ‘murder’ account.
While Titus Stampa insisted he was unable to discuss the emails in more detail – or confirm if they included any photos or videos – he confirmed to Braunschweig Court of their existence.

Speaking on Day 22 of Brueckner’s trial over five separate sex offences, including three rapes and two child abuse cases, Stampa referred to it as the ‘murder’ email account, which directly linked Brueckner to the abduction.

But, as with his boss Rainer Grimm, who took the stand last month, he said he could not divulge further details as it was ‘related to the killing’ of Maddie.
The experienced officer did however add that they had also got another external hard drive ‘also belonging to the killing case’.
The bearded detective, based at the BKA’s headquarters in Wiesbaden, told the court that Brueckner had allegedly deleted all emails from another account in early 2007, when Madeleine vanished from Praia da Luz.
“I can remember that things were ‘massively’ deleted in the inbox. There was nothing in there from January 2007,” he explained to judge Uta Engermann.
However, he added that they were able to secure a series of ‘disgusting’ emails in the sent folder.
He added they contained some of the ‘hardest child pornography’ ever made and he had sent it ‘back and forth’ with numerous online friends.
Stampa explained that Brueckner had even given his real name and phone number to one of these online friends, the undertaker, Frank S, who the Olive Press can reveal has been helping police in their investigation.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Madeleine McCann disappeared on May 3, 2007
According to Stampa, Brueckner had used one of his Hotmail accounts to log into Skype to chat to other paedophiles in chat rooms.
It was here that he catalogued various sets of photos and videos and laid out a number of his sick fantasies.
Going under the pen name ‘Holger Wahnsin’ he started to create a rape fantasy involving a mother and a daughter who he captured and kept imprisoned.
Later, expanding it into a 24-page document, the ‘mother-daughter story’ involved him kidnapping a child and abusing her in front of her mother.
“It was remarkably brutal,” Stampa continued, adding it had been sent as ‘samples’ to various online contacts.
He added that Brueckner had told them ‘this is just the beginning’.
Stampa was one of two detectives, based at the BKA’s headquarters in Wiesbaden, who investigated and convicted him of an earlier crime of the rape of an American grandmother.
The Olive Press can reveal he went over to America to interview victim Diana Menkes before her trial in 2019.
She had been 72 when Brueckner had brutally attacked her in a long midnight ordeal in Praia da Luz, in 2006.
Brueckner is currently serving seven years for the attack.
He denies all five sex offences as well as his involvement in the Maddie disappearance.

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by **PeterMac** 13.06.24 11:05

And a day later, after Clarke had sold this Exclusive piece to the gutter press across the world, and been paid handsomely for it, the Braunschweiger Zweitung said the whole thing was nonsense.

They let Clarke off lightly be saying he may have "over-edited" a subordinate clause.

But since Clarke speaks and understands no German, as he has admitted and demonstrated in his book where is digs and then falls head-first into a deep trench of his own making over the spelling of Brückner's name, it is more likely that he simply interpreted what he was told in a way most favourable to his own and his paymasters' agenda.

It is also highly probably that Clarke does not understand the different make-up of the German language, and the importance of the Subordinate clause structure which alters the main verb placing in the whole sentence.
Or as that would appear in German, "..the importance of the Subordinateclausestructure, which the placing of the main verb in the sentence, alters."

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"Evaluated". A bit different from Clarke's conclusion