Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be

by **Silentscope** 26.06.23 9:24

I detect some ‘Duping delight’ or Smirking in HCW Statements…?
Watch the Video.
Subtitles in English.

https://news.sky.com/video/latest-madeleine-mccann-search-will-take-time-says-german-prosecutor-12887608

by **crusader** 26.06.23 10:06

The latest search for Madeleine Mccann cannot be conducted in "just a couple of hours."

laugh

by **CaKeLoveR** 26.06.23 10:26

HCW does seem to have a bit of a smirk.

by Verdi 26.06.23 14:48

Every video clip I've ever seen of Wolters talking on the subject of Brueckner carries the exact same wry grin.

The source always intrigues.

Whatever the whys whens and wherefores, Christian Brueckner was/is in no way connected to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Who would ever believe this to be the very serious case of a missing three year old child.

Madeleine who?

by Verdi 26.06.23 14:48

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Any more than the Big Dig of May (that month again) 2014, conducted by Operation Grange yielded anything of substance.

Madeleine McCann: UK police travel to Portugal resort to oversee excavations

Report says forensics team plan to use radar equipment to look underground for clues to child's disappearance seven years ago

Much to DCI Andy Redwood's relief..

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by bevcoffee 26.06.23 21:16

"Hans Christian Wolter, Braunschweig state prosecutor, says the latest search for Madeleine McCann cannot be conducted in 'just a couple of hours".

That's funny, our friends Eddie and Keela seemed to have it summed up in a few hours. RIP Eddie and Kella, we'll see this throught to the bitter end, so your valuable services will not go unrecognised and will never be forgotten.

by Verdi 27.06.23 2:17

bevcoffee wrote:"Hans Christian Wolter, Braunschweig state prosecutor, says the latest search for Madeleine McCann cannot be conducted in 'just a couple of hours".

That's funny, our friends Eddie and Keela seemed to have it summed up in a few hours. RIP Eddie and Kella, we'll see this throught to the bitter end, so your valuable services will not go unrecognised and will never be forgotten.

Wise words thumbup

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Oh but wait a minute, where on earth does truth and evidence fit in with this conundrum? Memory is such a very sad loss when old age creeps in - more tragic still when memory loss is a deliberate act of deception.

bignono

Madeleine who?

by MaxHeadroom 27.06.23 9:26

bevcoffee wrote:"Hans Christian Wolter, Braunschweig state prosecutor, says the latest search for Madeleine McCann cannot be conducted in 'just a couple of hours".

That's funny, our friends Eddie and Keela seemed to have it summed up in a few hours. RIP Eddie and Kella, we'll see this throught to the bitter end, so your valuable services will not go unrecognised and will never be forgotten.

Just like it took Portuguese police only a couple of hours to conclude that there was no abduction.

by **crusader** 27.06.23 9:56

If Herr Wolters read the PJ files he would stop wasting his time with CB, It looks like he's waging a personal vendetta against him.
Let's be clear, the McCann's have NOT been cleared of any involvement in their daughters disappearance, they have not even been interogated by Scotland Yard no matter what Mark Rowley say's.
They can dig as many holes as they like in Portugal, they won't find anything to incriminate CB.
Herr Wolters is wasting huge amounts of money trying to implicate CB in the disappearance of Madeleine, he's never going to get him in court.
The German legal system need to put a stop to the circus.

by **CaKeLoveR** 27.06.23 11:09

I'm surprised that this happening in Germany, which is such a no-nonsense country.

by Guest 27.06.23 11:49

with almost 84 million heads, you can expect the odd one out of that line.

by **CaKeLoveR** 27.06.23 12:11

Yes, you're correct, but he seems to be out of control with this Christian B. obsession.

by **Silentscope** 27.06.23 12:27

Maddie references often on TV, but defense does not get access to files - "an indictment"

The criticism of the public prosecutor's media policy is even clearer. Lawyers complain that new information keeps appearing in public without the defense being informed beforehand. They never got access to the files.
There is a certain imbalance between the withholding of knowledge of the files on the one hand and the public prosecutor's offensive press policy on the other,” says Schwenn. Anything that the defense was withheld from could be seen on private television.

From his point of view "an indictment" for the public prosecutor. "Who gives the impression here that the indictment is imminent, but is reluctant to allow the investigation to take place. That's thin," says Schwenn and shoots: "One does get the impression that the Maddie case could grow into the prosecutor's Hitler diaries."

Craving for recognition? Hard allegation against prosecutors in the Maddie case

Defense attorney Fülscher believes investigators want some of the popularity of the Maddie case. He says: "It's actually very unusual behavior for the public prosecutor's office to keep going public and claiming: You've got the right person on your hook and you're also convinced that the accused is the murderer of Madeleine McCann."

"But the public prosecutor's office hasn't made the results of the investigation public for almost three years, or has given them to the accused and his defense first," says Fülscher. The moderator of the podcast notes that the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office had already shown this thirst for sensation during the investigation of the then Federal President Christian Wulff.

Maddie investigator responds to criticism: "Would like to investigate in peace"

For prosecutor Christian Wolters, this criticism is absurd. When asked by IPPEN.MEDIA , he countered: "The mere fact that the podcast mentions that the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office also conducted the investigations against the then Federal President Wulff speaks for itself. Even with a simple Google query, one would have come across the actually active public prosecutor's office in Hanover."

Nevertheless, he does not want to get involved in a public exchange of blows with the defenders, "because I am not interested in another public discussion". Wolters explains: “Contrary to what the podcast suggests, we would like to investigate calmly without being constantly public. In the case of Madeleine McCann, however, this cannot be avoided entirely.”

Prosecutor's office does not give up case Maddie voluntarily - appeal to the district court

His agency also said from the outset that indictment in the case was neither certain nor imminent. Christian B. was due to go to court in Lower Saxony for other crimes, but the regional court felt it was " not responsible " and wanted to pass the case to Saxony-Anhalt. The public prosecutor's office lodged a complaint against this . But not for sensationalism, Wolters noted. He said to IPPEN.MEDIA : "You can believe me that the investigations tie up quite a lot of investigative capacity, which we can also contribute to other investigations. But there are jurisdictional rules in the Code of Criminal Procedure that you have to adhere to.”

Suspicious objects were found during the recent search at the Arade reservoir , but the situation remains unclear. "The investigations conducted here in Braunschweig against the 46-year-old suspect are expected to continue for a long time," said the public prosecutor.

Source:
https://www-merkur-de.translate.goog/welt/christian-ermittler-vermisste-maddie-mccann-kritik-armutszeugnis-verteidiger-92319541.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

by Verdi 27.06.23 14:28

crusader wrote:Let's be clear, the McCann's have NOT been cleared of any involvement in their daughters disappearance, they have not even been interogated by Scotland Yard no matter what Mark Rowley say's.

"Firstly the parents involvement - that was dealt with at the time and ... I know ... that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation - the Portuguese and with all the material, we're happy that's all been completely dealt with.

There's no reason whatsoever to reopen that or bring that back into the line of investigation. the McCanns are the parents of a missing girl and we're trying to get to the bottom of what happened.

Mark Rowley

A very very interesting video.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t17263p225-video-of-the-day#470058

by Verdi 27.06.23 14:39

According to the other Met Police bloke, DCI Andy Redwood, they (Operation Grange) are going back to the very beginning, investigating every scrap of information - leaving no stone unturned.

With the exception of ....

by **Silentscope** 27.06.23 19:14

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The BKA and Wolters have never interviewed the Smiths.
The McCanns never interested themselves in the Smith sighting.

by **crusader** 27.06.23 19:31

It's not working Silentscope.

by **Silentscope** 27.06.23 19:58

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Let us see if this stays up?

by Verdi 28.06.23 2:33

A tabloid press release doesn't signify.

Why would the German authorities try to approach Martin Smith to assist their investigation into a suspected German felon? Germany has no jurisdiction over the case of missing Madeleine McCann, therefore have no authority to interview Martin Smith.

If you check the documented evidence, the McCanns did indeed interest themselves in Martin Smith and family's testimonies.

Sensationalism is for the gutter press, not CMOMM!

With good intentions no doubt, Mark Saunokonoko of the Australian press splashed this across his twitter account back in June 2020.

by **crusader** 28.06.23 7:58

It's a shame we can't read the full story, I'm guessing he wasn't contacted by the German authorities but by the reporter Patrick O'Connall to ask if he recognised Brueckner as the man he saw carrying a child.

He sad: "I cannot add to the statement I gave police six years ago. This all happened 13 years ago.
"I have seen the pictures and coverage this week [of Christian B] but everything I could say I said in my statement to police. I don’t recognise this man."
^^ from the daily mirror.

by **Silentscope** 28.06.23 8:41

As Wolters always maintains, CB kidnapped and later killed Madeleine.

If he is truly impartial, he should have ruled in or ruled out Mr Smith’s sighting. Surely?

Patrick O'Connell

Mon 8 Jun 2020 at 15:17

A KEY Irish witness who believes he may have seen Madeleine McCann being carried away on the night of her disappearance has said he ‘does not recognise’ new suspect Christian Brueckner as the man he saw carrying her.

by **PeterMac** 28.06.23 8:54

Verdi wrote:"Firstly the parents involvement - that was dealt with at the time and ... I know ... that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation - the Portuguese and with all the material, we're happy that's all been completely dealt with.

There's no reason whatsoever to reopen that or bring that back into the line of investigation. the McCanns are the parents of a missing girl and we're trying to get to the bottom of what happened.
Mark Rowley

Rowley is of course Correct.

The parents' involvement WAS dealt with at the time

The first and then the second and subsequent investigations concluded that the parents were lying, that Madeleine had died in the apartment,
the parents were refusing to produce the body, and all the Tapas 7 were lying, hence they made G and KM Arguido,
They repeated this in their final 'Shelving' report,
It was repeated in the Appeal Court, in the Portuguese Supreme Court, and at the ECHR
It has never seriously been challenged or disproved.

So it WAS dealt with at the time, but never full brought to a conclusion.

by Verdi 28.06.23 18:40

If Wolters has evidence or reason to suspect Christain Brueckner's involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, that evidence or reason to suspect should be conveyed to the Portuguese judiciary who maintain the lead in this particular investigation.

Germany has no jurisdiction to take charge or possession of a Portuguese investigation, any more than the British police. If anything they can assist the Portuguese investigation but that's where it begins and ends.

The entire charade is nonsense.

by **PeterMac** 29.06.23 10:24

I believe I am correct is thinking that Germany reserves the right to prosecute its own nationals for acts committed anywhere else in the world. Part of the quid pro quo for not extradicting their own.
They've got him so they want to prosecute him.
Silentscope will know

by **Silentscope** 29.06.23 10:51

PeterMac is correct.

The German Constitution protects CB from Extradition.
Germany can decide if they wish to Extradite but no Country can enforce a request.

Germany does not generally allow the extradition of its citizens, which is reflected in Article 7 of the agreement. Paragraph 1 reads: “Neither of the Contracting Parties shall be bound to extradite its nationals.” This results from the constitution, which must always be observed by Article 16 of the German Constitution. According to this paragraph, the extradition of German nationals is only exceptionally permitted to other EU countries, and certain international courts provided that “the rule of law is observed”. This allowance for extradition to EU member states is a recent development, but it does not extend to non-EU countries (“third countries”), including the USA.

by Verdi 29.06.23 15:37

Be that as it may, Portugal's judiciary is the presiding authority over the case of missing Madeleine McCann, thus I maintain the position that any evidence and/or reason to suspect an individual of involvement in the case, should be referred to Portugal. International cooperation could only be determined on the evidence provided, Germany can't proceed in this case without the cooperation of international policing

I prefer not to dabble in subjects I know little or nothing about especially a subject such as law, unless a working relationship is the basis of commentary thus allowing an element of expertise, the law has too many diversities for the layman to grasp the full meaning of legalise.

This might help clear-up a misguided point or two for anyone with a base knowledge of international law..

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https://www.auslieferungsverfahren.de/assets/files/extradition-lawyer-germany_englisch.pdf

by **Silentscope** 29.06.23 16:07

The entire Case, and Brückner are not going anywhere fast.

That much is certain!

by **Ladyinred** 29.06.23 16:58

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12247177/Madeleine-McCann-key-witness-speaks-time.html

Breaking news in today's Mail big grin

by **crusader** 29.06.23 18:02

Nothing we haven't heard before, it's a disgrace rehashing the same thing over and over again.
"The KEY witness speaks for the first time" don't make me laugh, how come we have heard the same thing before from his own lying mouth then.