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Post by Verdi 30.05.23 16:50

Eamonn Holmes ....

'... in life I've always had this belief that a lie unchallenged becomes the truth ...'


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Post by Guest 30.05.23 17:17

of course nothing wrong with a bit more of a sophistic style of writing, after the opening chorus i started to look if it was a poet even. google says no. he is a author and is special.


meet harry;
Harry de Quetteville

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/h/ha-he/harry-de-quetteville/


Harry de Quetteville is the Telegraph's Special Correspondent, Technology. Previously he edited the paper's comment and opinion pages, the obituaries page, and worked as a foreign correspondent in France, the Balkans and the Middle East. Twitter: @harrydq


harry is more from the school of tumble dryers so to read. besides a fair bit of lets make the suspicion british, he also is a year out somewhere and a case short in hcw matters.


at least he uses words like allegedly when speaking about the masters of suspense hb and ms. stil not correct, in that 2005 rape case their tales are already been respected and accepted in a german court. if it really did happen is one big question mark, but the tales have won already, so they are no longer allegedly in circulation.

the rest of his literary work is nicely fitting within the boundaries within the alleged still circulation d-notice.  what can we oppose to that, maybe that not only wikipedia is biased by politics but the complete media is.
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Post by crusader 30.05.23 17:27

Trainee reporters may embroider the subject somewhat, but the seasoned reoprters just keep repeating the same old guff, approaching it from different angles so it sounds new.
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Post by Guest 30.05.23 17:59

yeah, the oldies probably have one screen open with the expected lines in boxes, so they only have to click to let them arrive in the next write-off. the boxes probably already have the go ahead of the justice departments.

or they have found a good old tombola bucket with all their earlier made up work and they just put the first ten in the next episode of their fantasy. 

your newly introduced to the english language reopters suits far better, crusader!

about the old mobile phones of the pay as you go type. a bit experienced criminal do know where you could get those by the bucket, and yes, they are sold per bucket, the bonds to a provider already taken down kost between 5 and 10 euro's. 

pay as you go is overhere never been the same as being untraceable, as you know we the dutch are cheap, so the providers, just offered a tenner of free use, if you registered the number and registration number with you name from your passport or identity card. 

it was not the success we hoped for, because they became quickly populair to steal them, so you did spill a lot of time, because you're candidate robber ended up using the number and phone of a frail old lady. 

almost every store do sell 'pay as you g'o- cards that still will fit them. they still do work, and as long as you decide not wanted to be traces, meaning not use them for just daily chores no one would be able to trace the phone back to you. 

and it have not been the portuguese who worked the phone data, it have been the british boots, the portuguese at the time probably decided that would keep them out of the way.

i like by the way the variation in the sun, they write cops searching, so it have been the portuguese, because if they wanted to say british cops, who could not search at all, only there to observe, they would used that, and if they had meant germans cops, they would have used that. 

but really even a week later, the uk media can not getting it out, that it was a seach in portugal , within portuguese jurisdiction, so there was a portuguese overseeing of the search. there was last week no search led by a certain named german prosecution officer, that is never the task of such a job. 

lets do a prediction, if the germans are telling us in the comming days or weeks nothing of relevance was found, i bet they all will get the dogs out as unreliable. the dogs must be the reserve story to save the weekly nonsense production.  and also the sources and unnamed family friends will be getting into rehearse.
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Post by Guest 30.05.23 18:32

the harry dear re-sparked my memory, did we remember when the same bunch told us kate allegedly would have told them cuddle cat was put on a high shelf so kate immediately did know madeleine was taken. 

and then the pj files got out, with the pictures in it and there never was a shelf, or a high shelf in that room.

none would dare to tell the public they can look with their own eyes and use their own minds to all and everything, because it would spoil all the fun of all fantasies written and said by the media. 

they can't have that.

a daddy telling porkies about how he got in to 5a, or that mummy had visions of curtains that whoosh back between a bed and the wall. except did not tell these visions to the police. just two remarkable productions of some parents, because it was their holiday too!

that interview by email from our dearest reporter jon c. sounds not very fresh. or that dreaming lawyer has a very good memory, he said all that earlier in exact the same way.
i like it how they all try to hide this former lawyer now house daddy by choice, at least that is what he had in mind as his future job option, never got his information from a dream after his local spiritual commune had an outing very shortly after may 3 2007, and the supermario had a dream. 

the poor thing had to wait almost a year before kennedy sold him to the spanish gang meth. 3. 

the mostly uk related media always told us the mccanns are never been into the psychics and alikes, but for truly realistic people they had quite a lot of these around. the lady at the harbor, the danny with his dna finder. 

i would not want to reopen a topic that best stays silent, but did you know that f.i.a. thing has in the 'pay as you go' press a bit out that she always had said it was a german suspect, it gets after that a bit complicated, when she tries to use the latest searches into her visions of the living madeleine. that other fantasist. the j. is still around, but still is very much live on social media and pretending a madeleine alive. both do not stop, but only lost their public because they bore them all out by now.
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Post by crusader 30.05.23 19:04

Isn't it strange how nearly all "new" information about Madeleine comes from the Sun newspaper.

Here it reports Kate found cuddle cat on a ledge too high for Madeleine to reach and how the ledge was dusted for fingerprints but non were found.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3435619/madeleine-mccann-cuddle-cat-important-portugal-investigation/



Funny that, isn't it, there was no such ledge in Madeleine's bedroom.

The Sun was repeating what was printed in the Mirror and so the myth goes on.
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Post by Guest 30.05.23 19:14

at least the sun makes no problem of telling they are a pay as you go news outlet.
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Post by Jill Havern 31.05.23 12:06

Madeleine McCann news – latest: Investigators set to widen search after new photos reveal ‘clues’

Story by Tara Cobham • 1h ago



LIVE – Updated at 10:56
Investigators are set to widen the search for Madeleine McCann after photos belonging to prime suspect Christian Brueckner revealed ‘clues’.
Two other areas surrounding Praia da Luz, where Madeleine disappeared in 2007, could be searched by police, the Sun reported.
Investigators made the discovery after looking through more than 8,000 photographs belonging to Brueckner.
A source told the Sun: “German officers have gone through more than 8,000 pictures belonging to Christian B. That forensic work led them to Barragem - but there are other places that have come up in the pictures too.
“Detectives are seeking to work out where they are and why Christian B was taking pictures of those places.”
It comes after police searched the remote Barragem do Arade reservoir in the AlgarvePortugal last week, around 35 miles from where the then-three-year-old went missing.
The office of German prosecutor Christian Wolters said investigators were acting in response to “certain tips”.
The reservoir is known to have been frequented by the latest suspect in the case Christian Brueckner.
According to Portuguese broadcaster SIC, the suspect considered the area his “little slice of paradise”.

Key Points


  • Kate and Gerry forced to wait ‘weeks’ for reservoir search results
  • ‘The world believes I killed Maddie, I didn’t’
  • ‘Relevant clue’ found in search of reservoir
  • How the search was completed
  • Key suspect Christian Brueckner visited reservoir ‘days after disappearance’
  • Portugal police give update as search of reservoir closes to an end


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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madeleine-mccann-news-latest-investigators-set-to-widen-search-after-new-photos-reveal-clues/ar-AA1bV3Dj?ocid=winpsearchbox1&pc=DSBPC&cvid=9f47705b3a3e43be8a0b593590500a2c&ei=31

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Post by Verdi 31.05.23 13:43

Meanwhile, back in the day..

Divers search for Madeleine's body in remote reservoir after underworld tip-off


By VANESSA ALLEN

Last updated at 01:44 05 February 2008

A grim search for Madeleine McCann's body has been launched at an isolated reservoir.

Teams of frogmen began scouring the remote Barragem do Arade amid claims the girl's body was dumped there last May.

The private search - funded by a Portuguese lawyer - came as Portugal's most senior detective admitted that police had rushed into making Kate and Gerry McCann suspects in the case.

Alipio Ribeiro, the national director of the Policia Judiciaria, said his officers had acted with "a certain hastiness" and should have assessed the evidence again before naming the couple as official suspects.

But he defended his men against claims they had acted under political pressure and had failed to investigate properly.

Last night there were calls for him to resign over the comments, as lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia revealed he was forced to fund the £1,200-a-day reservoir search himself because the police had refused.

The human rights lawyer said he was convinced the massive man-made lake was "the perfect hiding place" for an abductor to conceal a body.

Mr Correia, 32, ordered the search after underworld contacts told him Madeleine was raped, murdered and her body dumped within 48 hours of her disappearance on May 3.

He said he believed the abductor killed the child, weighted down her body and then threw it from a pumping tower into the murky water beneath.

His team of six divers have already found a five-metre length of knotted nylon cord, which has been handed in to Portuguese police for analysis.

The remote reservoir is surrounded by dense woodland but a dirt track cuts through it to a bridge which links the water tower to the shore.

Mr Correia told the Mail: "I am convinced this is the place. It's not overlooked, it has easy access by car and if you threw the body from the tower the water is 55ft deep there.

"The divers have already found a cord tied in knots down there, right below the tower. I have given it to the police.

"It's logic that if you throw a body into the water then you would tie it to something to weigh it down."

The lawyer from the Portuguese island of Madeira said he would continue the search until he found proof to support his theory.

He refused to say how much he had paid to finance the trawl, but his team of six British and Portuguese divers were estimated to cost around £1,200-a-day.

They have already been searching for four days and are expected to return today, meaning the operation has already cost about £6,000.

Search coordinator Alan Wilson said the divers were only able to cover a small area in each dive because the murky water meant there was zero visibility once they descended below a few feet.

"Everything's black because there is no light," he said, adding: "The divers are searching entirely by touch, feeling in the silt for anything suspicious that shouldn't be there. It's a long, slow process."

Mr Correia said he was first told about the reservoir on May 6, three days after Madeleine vanished from Praia da Luz, some 40 miles away.

He passed the information to the police but said they ignored it, despite a May 5 witness sighting of a girl resembling Madeleine with a woman in Silves, a ten-minute drive from the lake.

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Kate and Gerry are grateful to anyone who feels they have important information in the search for Madeleine.

"If his search produces significant results he must, of course, share that information with both the police and our investigators."

Mr Mitchell also welcomed Mr Ribeiro's admission that police had rushed to make the McCanns suspects in September, and called for their names to be cleared.

In a radio interview, the policeman said: "Maybe a different evaluation should have been made. I have no doubts about that. There was a certain hastiness."

He pledged to correct any failings in the investigation but insisted police were still working on it, adding: "This whole job is a work of patience."

The couple learned of his comments on Saturday, as they prepared for a party to mark the third birthday of their twins, Sean and Amelie.

Mr McCann, 39, said the comments could be a much-needed "breakthrough" and added: "It is fantastic news.

"We still have a long way to go but people in Portugal need to understand what has been happening and what we have been going through.

"We know it will take the police a long time to accept what has been happening is wrong, but it is an important step towards that."

Mr and Mrs McCann, of Rothley, Leicestershire, were made suspects on September 7 but forensic evidence in the case has proved inconclusive. They have always denied any involvement.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512164/Divers-search-Madeleines-body-remote-reservoir-underworld-tip-off.html



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Post by Verdi 31.05.23 13:50

Was the underground 2008 tip-off the same source as the underground 2023 tip-off think I wonder?

I often read of beautiful turquoise/aquamarine blue waters - that little slice of paradise talked of by the prime suspect, Christian Brueckner whisper allegedly.

Looks a bit murky to me, maybe the 'searchers' muddied the waters a bit for desired effect - or have the images collected a touch of sepia over the years.

A mystery indeed.

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Post by Verdi 31.05.23 13:52

They have always denied any involvement.

So has Brueckner but you don't listen to him - do you.

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Post by Guest 31.05.23 15:32

but the dreamer can not be the source for the tip-off this time, they did not search around the tower. or in the water. the banks you did see some, mostly just talking or walking are not that steep when the reservoir would be topped off in most years before. 

his dream from madeira my dear, only told him it was a place with deep murky waters. 

his funded by him search was done only in the waters because he found it fitted for that dreamed deep murky waters. his dive team had 7 divers, some of the 'dive team'diving school in lagos and some pro divers from a fire brigade.

they found a 5,20 meters long knotted piece of rope, a maddie age group fit sock, and a plastic back. no animal bones in the bag are in that article. 

per old article from the archives of bild de, that was nicked it from a portuguese paper in march 2008. 

did grow the bag with animal bones only later in that story, bild is not the type of news outlet to left such a thing out. 

when you look at the fresh holes, they are not even very deep, they do not look to be done in the traditional way to look at how the profile of the site would be build up in the last 16 years. also they already had taken off the top layer of the soil, to get an even surface.
even if you want a sample for isotopes it is far more common to make it wider overall, or just a lot of much smaller punch holes. 
best guess is that the have been looking for buried usb stick or something alike, because they already know from the findings of the old box factory terrain, cb did like to put things underground. 

or they had a new thingy that works as a side scan and together with surface sonar scanning you could easily build 3 d models of the under ground. something like the same they use to check for concrete quality. these usually reach around 60 cm width as a max and are handheld. it would explain why the holes look to be made in regulair  distances as they are. they do not look from accidentally lost object and found with a metal detecting device. 

sonar would also be able to detect plastics and even rags. 

in archaeology they are used for some years. you can use them in all possible angles. the classic surface scans only tell something could have disturbed the ground, but is hardly clear enough to tell what. 
with datasets from the classic horizontal scans and a side scan, you can build a better picture. 

there is no sign of digging up something they found , and because they no longer protected that area, it is unlikely they found something at all. 

the area with the 3 holes in a triangle could very well been from a fire pit, they make actually a lot of noise without useful objects. sonar would assist very well to not getting only on a nails hunt. 

but looking for a camera and a gun, a big one is very unlikely, it is even more unlikely than ms and hb trowing these out in the reservoir, but for them to dig over half a meter deep to hide them is just to much. cb left the little finca near praia da luz in april 2006, there is some video in the sandra f. adventures with the land lady who told she pulled all what was left out, because did not got the rent and the place looked ram sacked. and cb was missing. 

but two criminals that would do away with a perfectly working video camera or a gun, and to do that start digging holes only happen in fairy tales. certainly not in the then already rock hard dried portuguese soil. 

a shame how the sites have been left behind.
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Post by garfy 31.05.23 16:18

[size=34]German cops investigating Madeleine McCann disappearance 'are set to give update on samples taken from Algarve reservoir as soon as tomorrow'[/size]

  • Investigators searched Algarve reservoir and found a 'relevant clue' there

  • It was previously believed that the analysis could take months 


By JAMES CALLERY and RACHAEL BUNYAN 
PUBLISHED: 13:39, 31 May 2023 UPDATED: 16:02, 31 May 2023


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12143819/German-cops-investigating-Madeleine-McCann-disappearance-set-update-samples-tomorrow.html
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Post by Guest 31.05.23 16:25

only on the other side of the sea, the germans already told their own it would be days.

but it sounded so much more dramatic when they could say the mccanns had to suffer for months with all the waiting for answers from germany.
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Post by Guest 01.06.23 10:10

a new day, and the sun is up, with our old favorites in the media, the jon who still had the pictures, mrs. p who has the story, and the still feeling dumped dr. hill, okay he is supposed to be world-renowed now. well lucky us it is a small world after all. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22500591/inside-madeleine-mccann-suspect-sinister-camp-reservoir/

always nice to see such world-renowed experts tell us before the arrest, trial and conviction he already solved the case with these words of opinion;


“It appears it was his habit to retain items that could invoke memories of his victims, or a situation or crime.
“He most likely retained this material to help him relive his crimes and increase his arousal.


“The fact that Christian B kept these potentially incriminating trophies is testament to the strength of his need to do so — and shows how comfortable he was with risk.”
Dr Hill detailed the escalation of his crimes, from flashing as a teen to raping a pensioner two years before Maddie vanished, and said: “It suggests he’s a predatory, undifferentiating sex offender, willing to offend across the age spectrum.”
or was he just a seller of nasty production to the dark web. and was he really the one who did the production and the deeds, no trial has taken place about most this hill based his profiling on. except there is nothing out there to take that on as the truth and nothing other than the truth. 
when we decide to look critically at the first trial, the outcome of that one would not be a 'one in the pocket for the cps'. 

maybe such a world-renowed experts fancied himself to do some profiling about the witnesses as used in that case and all other trials that maybe one day could get before a court, but that is as spoken of low odds for happening at the moment. 
* all wording not accepted by the spelling checking thingy in the citations are directly copied as given by the sun. i am of the opinion it does not matter, the common reader of the sun would not know what the heck this expert is talking about. 

what happened with the world of experts, who once restricted themselves until the court has reached their verdict. it is not a fact in the true meaning, isn't it mr. hill. 


so we by now have some candidates to choose a favorite from in who made the german, portuguese and the british tax used to gets some days out on the banks of loch do arade. 

we have the police-psychic and not so doctor psychology the fia, jon c. himself, or his source a mother of two, ralf and his lady who saw the flowers, and with that exactly the same picture as kate has on her desk.
was it one of the morons hb, ms or mt, or br, or even cp.
was it the infamous spanish detective of meth 3, was it a miljonair of  double see through objects.
or has is to go back to the dreaming it all up laywer or his assistant telma f. 
or could there be some unknown german police officer who looked at cb his pittoresk legacy collection. 


or is there still room for the mister or missus x. 

we can not say it was truly a kind of secret denn, at least it can be seen as in the hinterlands of praia da luz.

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Post by Rogue-a-Tory 01.06.23 10:21

News story at 10am says the German investigators have found some items in their search but don't know whether they relate to the 16 year old case. In other news, a man has just crossed the road........................
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[size=15]By Rachel Russell
BBC News

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Several objects were found during a search of a Portuguese reservoir in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, German officials say.
In a short statement they added it was too early to to say whether the items, which are being analysed, are connected to the missing Briton.
Portuguese police, assisted by their German counterparts, searched the Arade reservoir in Portugal last week.
Madeleine disappeared from a holiday complex in the Algarve in May 2007.
Police say their investigation into 46-year-old German national Christian Brueckner, who has been named as an "arguido" or official suspect, is expected to continue for some time.
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Post by Guest 01.06.23 10:37

translation of the official statemtent from germany to find;

https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/presseinformationen/fall-madeleine-mccann-suchaktion-in-portugal-abgeschlossen-222692.html

Madeleine McCann case: Search operation in Portugal completed
PRESS RELEASE 01.06.2023

The search operation carried out last week in the area of the Arade reservoir in Portugal ended on Thursday after three days as planned. A previously precisely defined area along the reservoir was completely searched for possible evidence.

A number of items were seized as part of the operation. These will be evaluated in the coming days and weeks. It is not yet possible to say whether some of the items are actually related to the Madeleine McCann case.

Our sincere thanks go to all the police officers involved in the search. The cooperation between the Portuguese police, the police officers from Great Britain and the Federal Criminal Police Office was excellent and very constructive.

The investigations conducted here in Braunschweig against the 46-year-old suspect are expected to continue for some time.
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Post by Verdi 01.06.23 13:25

Items found in Madeleine McCann search not confirmed as evidence – officials

Results of extensive search for clues about missing girl at a remote Portuguese reservoir ‘need to be evaluated’


Tobi Thomas

Thu 1 Jun 2023 12.18 BST

German prosecutors have said a number of items recovered in searches last week that may be linked to Madeleine McCann’s disappearance have not yet been confirmed as evidence.

The searches, which took place in Portugal after requests from German investigators, involved a large section of the Barragem do Arade reservoir being cordoned off, in an area about 30 miles from Praia da Luz, where Madeleine went missing in 2007.

Police flattened an area of woodland and dug a number of holes near the remote reservoir as part of the three-day operation.

In 2020, German police saidthey believed Madeleine to be dead and identified Christian Brückner, a convicted sex offender, as probably responsible.

Christian Wolters, the German prosecutor for the city of Braunschweig, said: “A number of items were seized as part of the investigation. These will be in the evaluated in the coming days and weeks.

“Whether individual items actually have a connection to the Madeleine McCann case cannot yet be said. The investigations conducted here in Braunschweig against the 46-year-old suspect are expected to continue for a long time.”

He added that the joint operation between German, British and Portuguese authorities went “excellently and very constructively”.



After last week’s searches concluded, Portuguese police said materials had been sent to Germany for testing. They were given the go-ahead to search the area after German prosecutors received “certain tips” about the case. Heavy machinery, sniffer dogs and pickaxes were used during the operation.

Brückner is in prison in Germany for the rape of a woman in Praia da Luz in 2005, and is suspected of further rapes and child sexual abuse committed in the area between 2000 and 2017.

Mark Hofmann, a criminal profiler in Germany, said Brückner, who is serving a seven-year sentence, had a history of keeping “trophies” from his crimes. He said: “From chat histories with like-minded people and from other crimes, it is known that Christian B tends to do exactly this: documenting his crimes.”

Brückner has reportedly denied any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.

Madeleine was three when she vanished while on holiday with her parents in Praia da Luz, after they left her and her younger twin siblings asleep in their apartment while they went out to a tapas dinner with friends.

The Home Office granted an extra £110,000 in funding this financial year for the Metropolitan police to assist with finding Madeleine, down from just over £300,000 last year. The total funding given to Operation Grange amounts to just under £13.1m since 2011.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/01/items-found-in-madeleine-mccann-search-not-confirmed-as-evidence-officials

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Post by Verdi 01.06.23 13:39

Christian Wolters - allegedly.. wrote:
“Whether individual items actually have a connection to the Madeleine McCann case cannot yet be said. The investigations conducted here in Braunschweig against the 46-year-old suspect are expected to continue for a long time.”

Never in my life have I ever come across such an extraordinary criminal persecution of one individual - officialdom seem hell bent on 'finding' anything that might incriminate Brueckner for any old unsolved crime they can lay their grubby little trotters on.

What makes it worse, these claimed cases are all very old with little or no apparent evidence to support them - and then the German authorities have the audacity to present hearsay from the criminal underground as reason to pursue their vendetta.

Go back to basics, the initial investigation conducted by the Portuguese judiciary under the leadership of a former chief of police, Gonçalo Amaral, you will find nothing to support this latest adventure conducted by German interference.

No .... the PJ are not incompetent yokels with a penchant for long lunches rather than doing a days work.

Look it up, it's all there for all to see - at least those who want to see and are not blinkered by misguided allegiance.  

I blame the press and media!

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Post by Verdi 01.06.23 13:46

Talking of which - lest they forget..

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Mark Hofmann

Mark Hofmann, a criminal profiler in Germany, said Brückner, who is serving a seven-year sentence, had a history of keeping “trophies” from his crimes. He said: “From chat histories with like-minded people and from other crimes, it is known that Christian B tends to do exactly this: documenting his crimes.”

Where is the evidence of these trophies?

“He absolutely matches the profile of a person who could potentially abduct and or kill a little girl like Madeleine McCann,” says Mark Hofmann, .

How so?

Having watched Dan Wooton's GB News studio debate about the ever so Unroyal Harry and his appearance before a court of law - 'under oath', I wonder how Wolter's witnesses from the criminal world, would survive an appearance before a court of law.

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Post by Guest 01.06.23 15:44

you are right verdi, i have not seen something that is usually is understood or called as a trophy of a crime. 

there are photographs found together with other material that also had pictures of cb himself who facebook would not accept in between them, also in his conviction about the abuse of that young child of a woman he lived with are photographs known. no investigation suggested cb produces all by himself.  

but a collection of pictures of child porn, without knowing the producer into all made them by himself it is hard to give these the titel of trophies. 

all the video productions are never been reproduced before a court , or found in any search in relation to cb, or in his possession. his career in criminal matter, where he indeed has convictions in, have nothing in it that could be named as trophies. 

the term trophies are more something of the movies and detective novels, and looks to be very much liked by the profiling world. okay there are a few cases known from serial criminals, that kept a collection of often simple things from the deed, or their victim to remember them, but it is far from common or usual habit. 

so even when the hill doctor or the mark who changed his name a bit because the former was equal to that of a serial offender both talk about trophies, maybe they could in their next lecture to the public also explain what they accept to be trophies in connection with this cb figure.

they walked the same set of stairs as the german cps does, to walk around the chair of the judge to talk people guilty, that is not how it does work in the real world. every one can say almost what he or she thinks, okay except in the uk, they have d-notices, but it is never in the job description of a profiler or cps to pass the court. 

nor the marks or the hills have seen the evidence, if there even is evidence, they can explain by examples as they like, but not in the way they do it now. that is not okay. and they have been to school to study the subject so they know it is not okay. 

i do care very little for the cb's of the world, we can very well do without these, but i think we can not go lightly on respect for the law. one day you need it yourself, and would like it also, if and when it was played by the rules of law, not by what we personally prefer. 

profiling is not exactly a science, it has very large margins of error, it can make you loose time in an investigation. or look for the wrong guy or doll. a profiler only gets access to parts of what the investigation digs out, and most investigations do very well without any profiler on the floor.

what they do not have is a gift to declare people guilty, the same for police officers independent of rank, or a cps, declaring guilty is beholden to a judge or jury in a court of law. 

so 2 things could have happened allegedly, the first, the writer of the piece left out the contraception the guys themselves have used, al the alleged, could's, if's and maybe's simple words that you get easily into everything you say or write. it is simply part of the job. 

or to many people only say they are experts, but are not really that, but just second rank figures who like to play it all nice and big to the public. they feel they are important and well above the law, except they are not.
these poor examples of their trade, do never belong under the eyes of in the ears of the public, they make a mess, or bigger mees than needed. they only built myths.

the media from the uk has still a field day with this case, they are still so lucky, they early on understand there never will be ever a court case about madeleine mccann in the uk, 90% what they have published would never had gotten out if cb or the mccanns, or any other one who found their attention could have been subject of an uk court. 

all because they still have a jury in tow, on mainland europe it is mostly one or more judges, or sometimes juries that only have judges in it. 
if what is written could have an effect on a jury of commoners they would have to rest their pens, or at least restrict themselves in ink and pixels. 

yeah we know they have found a lot of room around it, but still, they would be bound to that principle of a fair trial. 

still a judge or multiple judges in a court are not machines, they are human too, if the media together with a cps and some experts have declared a suspect, it would hard to still keeping on looking only for what will is presented in the court.
the result could be a lesser punishment, because the public appearance is already damaged, and that could serve complement to the verdict in court. 

and again, why are they calling others trolls. most of the common people are very mild in wording, look what happened if you read mccanns where cb is named or meant. both parties are by now suspect on the same level, if you cannot say it about the one, you can not say it about the other.
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Post by Rogue-a-Tory 01.06.23 16:07


I blame the press and media!

Much of which was led by the nose by Team Mc and their associates
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Post by Verdi 01.06.23 17:09

Quite so!

The same duo are unsurprisingly quiet about this latest revelation - but then of course they would be, they are on board with Operation Grange who continue to consider the case that of a 'missing child'.

Which is a matter of fact - Madeleine McCann is a missing child so in that respect they are untouchable - only their version of the truth is not quite the same as the documented evidence would suggest.

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Post by Verdi 01.06.23 17:22

I'm reasonably sure it was one of the witnesses connected with the name Christian Brueckner who claimed Brueckner kept trophies, or mementos of his past crimes - Manfred Seyferth I suggest.

There is little or no doubt in my mind who are masterminding the German intervention into the case of Madeleine McCann .... Manfred Seyferth and Helge Busching!

From the very beginning this so called latest development hit the headlines, back in June 2020 the two names have cropped-up everywhere but there is still no evidence to prove or even support their claims.

So much hinges on the rumoured video tape which has never been seen by any but Seyferth and Busching - allegedly. There has been talk of the tape being here there and everywhere but fact remains, it has never been seen.

The most worrying aspects of all this .... why are the German authorities involving themselves in such an apparent elaborate hoax? They are supposed to be experienced well respected professionals but they continue to try and build a case around the words of known felons who couldn't be trusted to know the time of day.

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Madeleine McCann: Police search for suspect's camera in reservoir.


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Post by Verdi 01.06.23 17:31

Madeleine McCann suspect was nicknamed 'The Climber' for his skill at breaking into homes and 'is capable of taking a child', partner-in-crime says

Manfred Seyferth, 64, a German drifter who knew Madeleine prime suspect Christian Brueckner, has spoken out about the 'terrifying' man
Brueckner was known as 'The Climber' for his ability to break into homes, he says
Seyferth called him an 'evil' man who would be 'capable of taking a small child'
Said Brueckner was burgling apartments in Praia da Luz when the girl vanished


By Chris Pleasance for MailOnline

Published: 08:27, 18 September 2020 | Updated: 09:58, 18 September 2020

A German drifter and partner-in-crime of Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner has branded him an 'evil psychopath' who is 'capable of taking a child'.

Manfred Seyferth, 64, said 43-year-old Brueckner was known as 'The Climber' for his ability to break into homes, and was robbing apartments in Praia da Luz the year the young girl vanished.

Seyferth, who acted as a key witness against Brueckner when he was jailed for the rape of an American woman in 2018, believes the peadophile is guilty of taking thee-year-old Madeleine from her parents' holiday apartment in 2007.

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Speaking to The Sun, he added: 'Christian is a bad, bad man. He is evil.

'I never liked him and he is a psychopath. He is obsessed with small children and I didn’t like it.

'He always had a young girlfriend with him and I think he is easily capable of taking a small child.'

Investigators from Britain and Germany have not charged Brueckner in the Madeleine McCann case, but earlier this year revealed he is their prime suspect.

While the case remains a 'missing persons' inquiry in the UK, prosecutors in Germany have gone a step further and claimed to have strong evidence that she is dead.

However, that evidence has not been revealed to the public, and despite assurances to the contrary, Madeleine's family and legal team say they have not seen it either.

German police also revealed that they dug up an allotment that belonged to Brueckner last year in connection with the Madeleine case, believing that there may have been child abuse images buried there.

It comes after detectives acting in a different case discovered USB sticks containing some 8,000 child abuse images buried near a different site that Brueckner used four years earlier.

Detectives claim phone signals place Brueckner in the area of Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine vanished from her parent's holiday apartment - May 3.

They say that Brueckner, who left Germany for Portugal in 1995 after serving jail time for a child sex offence, then left Portugal and returned to Germany shortly after Maddie went missing.

That tallies with an account given by Seyferth, who claims to have lived inside a camper van parked next to a farmhouse that Brueckner rented in the Algarve.

He says Brueckner upped and left after the schoolgirl's disappearance, and that he didn't see him again until a year later, at a hippie festival in Spain.

'He turned up in a big American camper van and was with a young girl, she looked about 15 and he would have been double her age,' he said.

'I didn’t like it one bit so I had nothing to do with him.

'That’s why I think he may have something to do with Maddie. He broke in and saw her and because he likes young girls — he’s got lots of convictions — he took her.'

Seyferth also spoke about finding videos inside Brueckner's apartment that showed him torturing and raping the American woman, which led to a lengthy jail sentence which he is currently serving in Germany.

Brueckner is appealing that sentence, with a verdict expected next week.

Seyferth said that, along with the video of the American woman, he and another man - Helge Busching - also found a gun, and a video of Brueckner apparently torturing a second woman, who appeared to be around 15 years old.

Describing the footage as 'evil', Seyferth added that he and Busching took the gun and tossed it into a lake.

It is unclear who the other woman in the footage is, though Seyferth said she appeared around the age of Brueckner's girlfriends.

Busching is believed to be the man who gave Brueckner's name to Scotland Yard, though it is unclear why he waited so long to do so.

Friedrich Fulscher, the lawyer representing Brueckner, says German investigators have yet to send him any evidence in the case.

He points out that his client has not yet been charged, and in the meantime, it is up to detectives to prove his guilt.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746635/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-capable-taking-child-partner-crime-says.html


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Post by Guest 01.06.23 17:46

really, so much wrong do not make a right.

so in the uk of today, if you say you raided a place, you are in relity a witness of doing it yourself. well it sounds not even that bad, if you are sending out about 60 people, at least 20 from germany, but at least one must have been the curry wurst meister to look for a camera that was dumped in 2006 in a reservoir, because there could be pictures on it from madeleine, are you back in the dark ages, come on it can not only be the result of brexit a idiot in westminster or such. 

if this is the uk news today, you are fu.ked!

or is this misunderstood and just the famous british humor???? otherwise this needs a law to tell this is criminal, a crime against humanity. 

view it on you tube, they offer you the option to make a complaint about fakenews.
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Post by PeterMac 03.06.23 10:11

And NOW, when we have been watching the nonsense of the Lake for weeks, following the nonsense Famous Five arrows, and circles, and firepits and shrines . . . 
Come to the rescure

JON CLARKE, and the PROVES LIES  ( sorry the OLIVE PRESS).  typo you understand
This time he trumps the lot
EXCLUSIVE: GROUND ZERO – THE ‘DRUIDIC’ CIRCLE HIDEAWAY OF MADELEINE MCCANN SUSPECT CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER

By Jon Clarke (Publisher & Editor) -  2 Jun, 2023 @ 19:15


There follows the same tripe we have had forced own our throats for the last fortnight.
Brückner is wrongly spelled as Brueckner throughout, (though we have identified Clarke's lack of understanding of the 'umlaut' and his inability work a modern keyboard before)  
But it then culminates in a priceless montage of two photos where BOTH NAMES are mis-spelled.

Gaze on this, and wonder at the sort of person who can allow this go to print and be released into the public domain.

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Christian Brueckner and Madeliene McCann

Such is the attention to detail !!!!
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