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Madeleine McCann: Prime suspect has rape allegation against him dropped
Court in Germany drops trial, saying it did not have jurisdiction over case of Christian Brueckner, who is accused of rape in Portugal
Matt Mathers
29 minutes
A rape charge against the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann investigation has been dropped after a German court said it did not have jurisdiction over the case, it has been reported.
Christian Brueckner was due to go on trial for an alleged rape in Portugal but a court in the city of Braunschweig threw out the case, his lawyer said, according to the Bild newspaper. The rape allegation is not linked to Madeleine’s case.
German prosecutors last year said they had charged Brueckner with several sexual offences they believe he committed in Portugal between 28 December 2000, and 11 June 2017. The court did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Brueckner first came up in the Madeleine investigation in 2020 and he was officially named as a suspect last year.
His yellow and white VW T3 Westfalia campervan was reportedly identified as having been near to the Praia da Luz resort in Portugal where the young girl went missing on 3 May , 2007.
Three-year-old Madeleine disappeared from the bed of her holiday apartment while her parents and family friends dined 180 feet away.
Her two-year-old twin siblings were also in the apartment she went missing from. Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, have been searching for answers ever since.
The Metropolitan Police took over the investigation, Operation Grange, in 2011 but they hit dead ends. Brueckner’s emergence in the case was the first major breakthrough since 2007.
Brueckner is a prolific burglar previously convicted for sex crimes against young girls. He was born in Germany in 1976 and moved to Portugal in his late teens, where he worked in the food industry from 1995 to 2007.
He is described as being about 6ft tall, slim and white with short blond hair.
Brueckner was declared a prime suspect in the case of the disappearance of Madeleine by Portuguese police in April 2022.
Already in prison in Germany for the rape and murder of a 72-year-old woman, he wascharged with multiple sex offences which were alleged to have taken place between 2000 and 2007.
Police in Germany claimed to have “concrete evidence” that Madeleine was dead but this has not been confirmed.
A spokesperson from the Braunschweig prosecutor’s office previously said: “The accused is the same person against whom charges were brought in connection with the disappearance of the then three-year-old British girl Madeleine Beth McCann.
“Specifically, the accused is charged with three offences of aggravated rape and two offences of sexual abuse of children.
“The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann continues.”
The charges mentioned do not relate to the McCann case. But in May German police claimed to have found new evidence linked to Madeleine inside a van belonging to Brueckner.
Brueckner had reportedly been using a yellow and white VW T3 Westfalia campervan in and around Praia da Luz – the Algarve resort where the McCanns were holidaying at the time Madeleine vanished.
German prosecutors said telecomms data showed Brueckner received a phone call on 3 May 2007 near the Praia da Luz holiday apartment from which the three-year-old went missing. He claimed to have been miles from the scene with a young German woman.
Brueckner, who has always denied any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance, insists he drove the woman, who was on holiday with her parents, to the airport in Faro for her return flight home the following day. They were stopped and photographed at a police roadblock, according to Sky News.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-rape-allegations-dropped-b2323453.html
Court in Germany drops trial, saying it did not have jurisdiction over case of Christian Brueckner, who is accused of rape in Portugal
Matt Mathers
29 minutes
A rape charge against the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann investigation has been dropped after a German court said it did not have jurisdiction over the case, it has been reported.
Christian Brueckner was due to go on trial for an alleged rape in Portugal but a court in the city of Braunschweig threw out the case, his lawyer said, according to the Bild newspaper. The rape allegation is not linked to Madeleine’s case.
German prosecutors last year said they had charged Brueckner with several sexual offences they believe he committed in Portugal between 28 December 2000, and 11 June 2017. The court did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Brueckner first came up in the Madeleine investigation in 2020 and he was officially named as a suspect last year.
His yellow and white VW T3 Westfalia campervan was reportedly identified as having been near to the Praia da Luz resort in Portugal where the young girl went missing on 3 May , 2007.
Three-year-old Madeleine disappeared from the bed of her holiday apartment while her parents and family friends dined 180 feet away.
Her two-year-old twin siblings were also in the apartment she went missing from. Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, have been searching for answers ever since.
The Metropolitan Police took over the investigation, Operation Grange, in 2011 but they hit dead ends. Brueckner’s emergence in the case was the first major breakthrough since 2007.
Brueckner is a prolific burglar previously convicted for sex crimes against young girls. He was born in Germany in 1976 and moved to Portugal in his late teens, where he worked in the food industry from 1995 to 2007.
He is described as being about 6ft tall, slim and white with short blond hair.
Brueckner was declared a prime suspect in the case of the disappearance of Madeleine by Portuguese police in April 2022.
Already in prison in Germany for the rape and murder of a 72-year-old woman, he wascharged with multiple sex offences which were alleged to have taken place between 2000 and 2007.
Police in Germany claimed to have “concrete evidence” that Madeleine was dead but this has not been confirmed.
A spokesperson from the Braunschweig prosecutor’s office previously said: “The accused is the same person against whom charges were brought in connection with the disappearance of the then three-year-old British girl Madeleine Beth McCann.
“Specifically, the accused is charged with three offences of aggravated rape and two offences of sexual abuse of children.
“The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann continues.”
The charges mentioned do not relate to the McCann case. But in May German police claimed to have found new evidence linked to Madeleine inside a van belonging to Brueckner.
Brueckner had reportedly been using a yellow and white VW T3 Westfalia campervan in and around Praia da Luz – the Algarve resort where the McCanns were holidaying at the time Madeleine vanished.
German prosecutors said telecomms data showed Brueckner received a phone call on 3 May 2007 near the Praia da Luz holiday apartment from which the three-year-old went missing. He claimed to have been miles from the scene with a young German woman.
Brueckner, who has always denied any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance, insists he drove the woman, who was on holiday with her parents, to the airport in Faro for her return flight home the following day. They were stopped and photographed at a police roadblock, according to Sky News.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-rape-allegations-dropped-b2323453.html
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Revealed: Luxury villa where new Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner raped a 72-year-old US tourist is just a ten minute walk from apartment where the toddler vanished 18 months later
By Paul Thompson for MailOnline
Published: 21:35 BST, 5 June 2020 | Updated: 03:42 BST, 6 June 2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html
By Paul Thompson for MailOnline
Published: 21:35 BST, 5 June 2020 | Updated: 03:42 BST, 6 June 2020
The paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann carried out a brutal rape at a beach front villa less than a mile from where the three-year-old disappeared in 2007.
Christian Brueckner broke into the secluded home two years before Maddie went missing from her family's apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz.
A 72-year-old American woman was tortured and raped by Brueckner who filmed the savage attack. He was jailed last year for seven years by a German court after DNA evidence linked him to the assault.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html
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2 minute readApril 20, 202312:15 PM GMTLast Updated 3 min ago
German court throws out sex charges against suspect in Madeleine McCann case
Reuters
BERLIN, April 20 (Reuters) - A court in the German city of Braunschweig has thrown out rape and sexual offence charges against Christian Brueckner, who has been formally identified as an official suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, his lawyer said on Thursday.
The court's decision means that legal authorities in Braunschweig have no jurisdiction over the case of "Maddie", a British girl who disappeared in Portugal in 2007 at the age of 3, lawyer Friedrich Fuelscher said in an email to Reuters.
German prosecutors last year said they had charged Brueckner with three offences of aggravated rape and two offences of sexual abuse of children in Portugal between Dec. 28, 2000, and June 11, 2017.
Confirming a report in Bild daily, Fuelscher said the court in Braunschweig had decided that it had no jurisdiction in the case and had revoked the arrest warrant against Brueckner.
The charges were not directly linked to the McCann case, but having thrown them out and revoked the warrant, the court could no longer be expected to consider the latter case either.
Brueckner, a convicted child abuser and drug trader who is behind bars in Germany for raping a 72-year-old woman in the same area of the Algarve region of Portugal from where Madeleine went missing, was formally identified as an official suspect in the McCann case last year.
Fuelscher did not say when Brueckner was due to be released or whether the court decision would affect that.
German police said in June 2020 that Madeleine was assumed dead and that Brueckner was likely responsible for it. Brueckner has denied being involved in the disappearance and has not been charged with any crime related to it.
Neither state prosecutors nor the court in Braunschweig were immediately available to comment.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-court-drops-trial-suspect-madeleine-mccann-case-bild-2023-04-20/
German court throws out sex charges against suspect in Madeleine McCann case
Reuters
BERLIN, April 20 (Reuters) - A court in the German city of Braunschweig has thrown out rape and sexual offence charges against Christian Brueckner, who has been formally identified as an official suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, his lawyer said on Thursday.
The court's decision means that legal authorities in Braunschweig have no jurisdiction over the case of "Maddie", a British girl who disappeared in Portugal in 2007 at the age of 3, lawyer Friedrich Fuelscher said in an email to Reuters.
German prosecutors last year said they had charged Brueckner with three offences of aggravated rape and two offences of sexual abuse of children in Portugal between Dec. 28, 2000, and June 11, 2017.
Confirming a report in Bild daily, Fuelscher said the court in Braunschweig had decided that it had no jurisdiction in the case and had revoked the arrest warrant against Brueckner.
The charges were not directly linked to the McCann case, but having thrown them out and revoked the warrant, the court could no longer be expected to consider the latter case either.
Brueckner, a convicted child abuser and drug trader who is behind bars in Germany for raping a 72-year-old woman in the same area of the Algarve region of Portugal from where Madeleine went missing, was formally identified as an official suspect in the McCann case last year.
Fuelscher did not say when Brueckner was due to be released or whether the court decision would affect that.
German police said in June 2020 that Madeleine was assumed dead and that Brueckner was likely responsible for it. Brueckner has denied being involved in the disappearance and has not been charged with any crime related to it.
Neither state prosecutors nor the court in Braunschweig were immediately available to comment.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-court-drops-trial-suspect-madeleine-mccann-case-bild-2023-04-20/
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Braunschweig – A possible rape trial against the Maddie suspect Christian Brückner in Braunschweig has burst!
The district court in Braunschweig declared itself "incompetent with regard to the charges against Christian B. and lifted the arrest warrant against him," explained Brückner's lawyer Friedrich Fülscher (38).
“The accused originally lived in the local district and was also reported. In the Chamber's opinion, however, this is not important because the accused - as he himself said - established a new and thus last place of residence in Saxony-Anhalt. This was also supported by the fact that he was entered in the land register as the owner of a property. In addition to various vehicles, there were also personal belongings of the accused on this property. Two months later he fled abroad. He kept the property,” the district court said in a statement
"After a comprehensive assessment of all the arguments put forward, the chamber assumed that the accused was last resident outside of the local district and has therefore declared itself incompetent"
"The defense already pointed out during the investigation that the Braunschweig judiciary should not have local jurisdiction," Fülscher continued.
Background: The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig had brought charges against the man who is said to have kidnapped and killed little Maddie McCann (then 3) in 2007. This year he was to be tried for rape and sexual abuse of children at the Braunschweig Regional Court. The charges are based on evidence uncovered during the Maddie investigation.
The Kiel star lawyer Friedrich Fülscher (38) defends the suspect
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But the defense had doubted that Braunschweig was responsible at all: the public prosecutor's office derived responsibility from the fact that the suspect's last registered place of residence in Germany was in Braunschweig in 2016. That, according to Füscher, is not enough.
“The Federal Court of Justice has long since decided that where a suspect is registered does not matter when establishing a place of residence. Before he was arrested, the accused lived abroad on his property in Neuwegersleben,” the defense attorney told BILD. In the small town in Saxony-Anhalt, Brückner owned a dilapidated warehouse. Thus, the public prosecutor's office and the court in Magdeburg would be responsible. Or the colleagues in Frankfurt (Main), where Brückner was handed over to the German authorities after his arrest in Italy.
"For reasons that are incomprehensible here, the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig clung to their jurisdiction and thus risked being overturned by the Federal Court of Justice in the event of an opening," continued the defense attorney. "This is very questionable, especially given the fact that a large number of witnesses might have had to appear in court again on very incriminating issues in the event of an annulment."
The fact that the arrest warrant is lifted does not mean that Brückner will be released: the suspect is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for rape in Oldenburg prison.
Hans Christian Wolters on BILD, spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office, was surprised by the decision. “Actually, the district court should serve the defense attorney and us the decision at the same time. But it didn't do that, so I can't comment on the content yet." After reviewing the decision, you have to "evaluate it and consider whether we can appeal against it."
It is unclear whether the public prosecutor's offices in Magdeburg or Frankfurt weigh the evidence as much as their colleagues in Braunschweig and Brückner accuse.
The Maddie case remains unsolved.
https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/landgericht-unzustaendig-prozess-gegen-maddie-verdaechtigen-geplatzt-83626354.bild.html
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Hopefully this will be the last we hear of Germanman .... or is that too much to ask?
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Hopefully this will be the last we hear of Germanman .... or is that too much to ask?
Don't hold your breath, Herr Wolters still has concrete proof CB killed Madeleine.
Hopefully this will be the last we hear of Germanman .... or is that too much to ask?
Don't hold your breath, Herr Wolters still has concrete proof CB killed Madeleine.
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And don't we know it .... how long is it now since he made his debut on the international circuit - three years?
No steps forward, tens steps back.
Maybe Germanman can take Polishwoman down the dungeons with him, thus killing two jail birds with one rolling stone.
No steps forward, tens steps back.
Maybe Germanman can take Polishwoman down the dungeons with him, thus killing two jail birds with one rolling stone.
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Relentless Natasha Donn. always to be relied upon as a direct source from our friends in Portugal,,
Even former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral has trashed the thesis that Christian Brückner is guilty, insisting the German is being used as a scapegoat
Madeleine McCann suspect: defence lawyer pulls ‘rabbit out of hat’
By
Natasha Donn -
20th April 2023
Prosecutors who claimed ‘concrete evidence’ have no jurisdiction to pursue case
After years in which German prosecutors have doggedly maintained they have “concrete evidence” that Madeleine McCann is dead, and convicted rapist Christian Brückner “did the deed”, defence lawyer Friedrich Fülscher appears to have pulled a rabbit out of the hat.
He has successfully argued the case that Braunschweig (Brunswick) prosecutors led by Hans Christian Wolters have no jurisdiction in the matter.
Mr Fülscher has always maintained that the charges levelled against his client were trumped up, “built from the worst witness you can get”, and essentially not worth the paper they were written on.
Attempts by Braunschweig judiciary to accuse Brückner of further sex crimes have also, this far, appeared to lead nowhere.
According to reports coming out of the UK today’s news will be a “hammer blow to Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry who had hoped there was light at the end of the tunnel following their daughter’s mystery disappearance from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz” almost 16 years ago.
But to be fair Fülscher has prepared the ground, in as much as he warned of the frailties of the case since 2020.
Christian Brückner too has insisted on his innocence multiple times.
Even Madeleine’s parents have admitted to being ‘baffled’ over the German case.
Why did Braunschweig prosecutors ever believe they had jurisdiction? This has to do with Brückner’s “last known address” in Germany before he went abroad, explains the Mail today.
Prosecutors believed this was within their jurisdiction, but Brückner has been able to produce evidence of a later residence in the neighbouring state of Saxony-Anhalt.
As a result, the Regional Court of Braunschweig has lifted the arrest warrant taken out against him.
Is this finally an end of the ‘final roll of the dice’ (no further suspects can be cited over the disappearance of little Madeleine, as the Statute of Limitations has kicked in)?
According to the Mail, no it isn’t. Braunschweig prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters (unaware when he spoke to the paper of the court’s ruling) has said: “We are still trying to find out exactly what has happened and if it has gone against us we will appeal or have the case moved to another city of jurisdiction in Germany.’
The Resident will attempt to get a response from Friedrich Fülscher who has travelled to Portugal on a number of occasions in his capacity as Christian Brückner’s defence counsel.
By coincidence, the 16 year anniversary of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz falls in two weeks’ time.
https://www.portugalresident.com/madeleine-mccann-suspect-defence-lawyer-pulls-rabbit-out-of-hat/
Even former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral has trashed the thesis that Christian Brückner is guilty, insisting the German is being used as a scapegoat
Madeleine McCann suspect: defence lawyer pulls ‘rabbit out of hat’
By
Natasha Donn -
20th April 2023
Prosecutors who claimed ‘concrete evidence’ have no jurisdiction to pursue case
After years in which German prosecutors have doggedly maintained they have “concrete evidence” that Madeleine McCann is dead, and convicted rapist Christian Brückner “did the deed”, defence lawyer Friedrich Fülscher appears to have pulled a rabbit out of the hat.
He has successfully argued the case that Braunschweig (Brunswick) prosecutors led by Hans Christian Wolters have no jurisdiction in the matter.
Mr Fülscher has always maintained that the charges levelled against his client were trumped up, “built from the worst witness you can get”, and essentially not worth the paper they were written on.
Attempts by Braunschweig judiciary to accuse Brückner of further sex crimes have also, this far, appeared to lead nowhere.
According to reports coming out of the UK today’s news will be a “hammer blow to Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry who had hoped there was light at the end of the tunnel following their daughter’s mystery disappearance from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz” almost 16 years ago.
But to be fair Fülscher has prepared the ground, in as much as he warned of the frailties of the case since 2020.
Christian Brückner too has insisted on his innocence multiple times.
Even Madeleine’s parents have admitted to being ‘baffled’ over the German case.
Why did Braunschweig prosecutors ever believe they had jurisdiction? This has to do with Brückner’s “last known address” in Germany before he went abroad, explains the Mail today.
Prosecutors believed this was within their jurisdiction, but Brückner has been able to produce evidence of a later residence in the neighbouring state of Saxony-Anhalt.
As a result, the Regional Court of Braunschweig has lifted the arrest warrant taken out against him.
Is this finally an end of the ‘final roll of the dice’ (no further suspects can be cited over the disappearance of little Madeleine, as the Statute of Limitations has kicked in)?
According to the Mail, no it isn’t. Braunschweig prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters (unaware when he spoke to the paper of the court’s ruling) has said: “We are still trying to find out exactly what has happened and if it has gone against us we will appeal or have the case moved to another city of jurisdiction in Germany.’
The Resident will attempt to get a response from Friedrich Fülscher who has travelled to Portugal on a number of occasions in his capacity as Christian Brückner’s defence counsel.
By coincidence, the 16 year anniversary of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz falls in two weeks’ time.
https://www.portugalresident.com/madeleine-mccann-suspect-defence-lawyer-pulls-rabbit-out-of-hat/
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The big guns are now running the story, even the BBC .... strange considering it has absolutely no connection with the Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann. Still I guess it fits in nicely with the forthcoming anniversary of paedophile abduction Madeleine's alleged disappearance.
Unrelated charges against suspect in Madeleine McCann disappearance dropped
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Madeleine McCann disappearance
The prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will not face German charges for alleged rape and sexual abuse in a separate case.
Last year, a court in the city of Braunschweig charged Christian Brueckner with five sexual offences.
But it now says it does not have jurisdiction because Brueckner last lived in a different part of Germany.
Brueckner has never been charged over Madeleine's disappearance and has denied any involvement.
In October 2022, evidence for additional allegations emerged during the McCann investigation.
Braunschweig's chief prosecutor charged Brueckner with five offences alleged to have been carried out between 2000 and 2017 in Portugal, including the rape and the sexual abuse of two children.
The five charges in full:
At some point between 2000 and 2006: The rape of an unidentified woman aged between 70 and 80 in a holiday home in Portugal
At some point between 2000 and 2006: The rape of a German-speaking girl believed to have been at least 14 years old in his home in Praia da Luz
2004: The rape of a 20-year-old Irish woman after entering her apartment in Praia da Rocha
2007: The sexual abuse of a 10-year-old German girl on a beach in Salema, Faro
2017: The sexual abuse of an 11-year-old Portuguese girl in a playground in Bartolomeu de Messines
Although the court in Braunschweig has dropped the case, it is understood Brueckner could still be charged with the same offences in a different court in Germany.
Originally the case was taken up in Braunschweig because that was the region where he was last officially registered.
But in reality, before moving to Portugal, he had been living in a caravan in the state of Saxony Anhalt.
The Madeleine McCann case: A timeline
It is expected that prosecutors in other parts of Germany will now decide whether to pursue the charges and stake a claim to jurisdiction.
Three-year-old Madeleine, from Rothley, Leicestershire, was on holiday with her family at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, in Portugal's Algarve when she disappeared on 3 May 2007. Her whereabouts remain unknown.
Brueckner has never been charged over her disappearance.
The convicted sex offender is currently serving a seven-year sentence for rape which he committed in 2005 in Portugal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65337797
Unrelated charges against suspect in Madeleine McCann disappearance dropped
Published
1 hour ago
Related Topics
Madeleine McCann disappearance
The prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will not face German charges for alleged rape and sexual abuse in a separate case.
Last year, a court in the city of Braunschweig charged Christian Brueckner with five sexual offences.
But it now says it does not have jurisdiction because Brueckner last lived in a different part of Germany.
Brueckner has never been charged over Madeleine's disappearance and has denied any involvement.
In October 2022, evidence for additional allegations emerged during the McCann investigation.
Braunschweig's chief prosecutor charged Brueckner with five offences alleged to have been carried out between 2000 and 2017 in Portugal, including the rape and the sexual abuse of two children.
The five charges in full:
At some point between 2000 and 2006: The rape of an unidentified woman aged between 70 and 80 in a holiday home in Portugal
At some point between 2000 and 2006: The rape of a German-speaking girl believed to have been at least 14 years old in his home in Praia da Luz
2004: The rape of a 20-year-old Irish woman after entering her apartment in Praia da Rocha
2007: The sexual abuse of a 10-year-old German girl on a beach in Salema, Faro
2017: The sexual abuse of an 11-year-old Portuguese girl in a playground in Bartolomeu de Messines
Although the court in Braunschweig has dropped the case, it is understood Brueckner could still be charged with the same offences in a different court in Germany.
Originally the case was taken up in Braunschweig because that was the region where he was last officially registered.
But in reality, before moving to Portugal, he had been living in a caravan in the state of Saxony Anhalt.
The Madeleine McCann case: A timeline
It is expected that prosecutors in other parts of Germany will now decide whether to pursue the charges and stake a claim to jurisdiction.
Three-year-old Madeleine, from Rothley, Leicestershire, was on holiday with her family at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, in Portugal's Algarve when she disappeared on 3 May 2007. Her whereabouts remain unknown.
Brueckner has never been charged over her disappearance.
The convicted sex offender is currently serving a seven-year sentence for rape which he committed in 2005 in Portugal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65337797
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working a case from 2017 on,and never try to establish what they had in competence. that is whole pot of money spilled. and quite embarrassing.
so there are no cases ongoing because of a technical failure, in reality it was a well sold story by a german prosecutor.
and there have been may times many questions about the competence of working this case, because all happened in portugal. so you expect this must have been on the table long time ago. the association of cb as owner of the old box factory was also well known.
it is not even that unusual that the last address and official latest registration are unclear or soggy and something to establish.
and you would expect when you invest so extremely into a case,all over the world telling someone is a murderer, you have at least your basic ducks in a row.
germany is not just one single country, but a united republic of states, that have quite a lot of sovereignty, a lot of independent laws even, and because of that it needs serious investment in doing your research.
so now they can indeed try to appeal it, but otherwise it depends how invested another state wants to be in this case itself. it is usually not just hand over a lot of files, but things as manpower, budget and compatibility of systems, and underlying laws.
all of this does not mean everything is of the table, only the cases could not be proceeded as they would have gone on. until there is a final verdict from a judge , when braunschweig indeed will seek an appeal.
but the party of cb can also fight them, even into the european courts if they want that. and that same right is with braunschweig. see you back over some years.
it is on hold for the time being and the result could be cb left as a freeman before it all is arranged and his current sentence in done. hcw needed those lesser cases as a foundation to keep cb behind bars, he never had enough strong evidence for the madeleine mccann case at all. you simple do not wait if you have. it would be frivolous to do that, you are doing your job to serve justice, and if you have what your mouth is spouting, you bring the perp before a court of law. it is not a choice of frills, it is a obligation to do that.
and it is not even over with the case cb is at the moment doing a bit of jail time. if the courts have to declare no competence in the cases only on the roll, the older verdict can possibly be to reopened or even the full case had to be done over before a competent court, but the outcome could become very different.
so because the braunschweig prosecution did had been not doing their job correctly, it can end in letting a nasty basterd loose on the street. it is not that it is something that just is happening, but because you let it happening.
it happened in many, many cases, all around the world, the law dictates a correct working of these laws, and at the start it was to protect the innocent, but the result is always the bad apples profit the most.
cb was such a bad apple from his early years on, he never showed he a want to better himself.
those so called points of law is first year law education, always be sure they are correct, you make it to easy for yourself, the other party will find it.
but it means 6 years of investigation, that is a large amount of the budget and man hours taken away from other cases. so it would be understandable hcw can soon be written on jill's list of people who met their lowest point because of doing something in this case.
i never felt good about the way braunschweig their justice department followed up in this case in the media, it was a new low and degradation of the justice system itself. a verdict is reserved for judges, not for the people who work the cases.
and the last result could be we not only get a nasty basterd loose only, he could win a nice sum because as the case was handled in public. all payed by the public, and not only in germany, but in all countries that have worked with the braunschweig investigation.
so it is only on pause for now, waiting for an appeal verdict, or even a row of these, or up to a declaration of competence of the courts from sachsen anholt or a court that can handle the case if the arrival on airport frankfurt becomes the official address of cb.
i do know from experience how difficult it can be to follow up all those, often very old small part of law, but there are still there, and you have to comply to them, it is not a pick and choose. they are the foundation your case has to rest on. it is the first thing the party against you will look in to. it could not have been a surprise, they already had seen that, there already was a try out with the extradition papers.
and it is not the only choice they had to bring cb before the courts, they already have a precedent with martin n., who they lent to france for a period around 8 or 9 months, so he could be tried over there, france had to return him after that, but that same could have worked with portugal. there is also a treaty that countries could take over an convict for doing its time in a jail in its country of origine.
it is and always will be a case happened on the grounds of portugal. all the other interference did not delivered anything at all.
i like to see bad apples of the streets, the person cb has had enough chances, he blew them time after time.
but it is not a thing of the law as it is, but more a political responsibility that can change these laws. also it is always a good thing if you have taken away your freedom for the things you actually did, for me the cb figure is never been the first choice of candidates in this case for that role.
so there are no cases ongoing because of a technical failure, in reality it was a well sold story by a german prosecutor.
and there have been may times many questions about the competence of working this case, because all happened in portugal. so you expect this must have been on the table long time ago. the association of cb as owner of the old box factory was also well known.
it is not even that unusual that the last address and official latest registration are unclear or soggy and something to establish.
and you would expect when you invest so extremely into a case,all over the world telling someone is a murderer, you have at least your basic ducks in a row.
germany is not just one single country, but a united republic of states, that have quite a lot of sovereignty, a lot of independent laws even, and because of that it needs serious investment in doing your research.
so now they can indeed try to appeal it, but otherwise it depends how invested another state wants to be in this case itself. it is usually not just hand over a lot of files, but things as manpower, budget and compatibility of systems, and underlying laws.
all of this does not mean everything is of the table, only the cases could not be proceeded as they would have gone on. until there is a final verdict from a judge , when braunschweig indeed will seek an appeal.
but the party of cb can also fight them, even into the european courts if they want that. and that same right is with braunschweig. see you back over some years.
it is on hold for the time being and the result could be cb left as a freeman before it all is arranged and his current sentence in done. hcw needed those lesser cases as a foundation to keep cb behind bars, he never had enough strong evidence for the madeleine mccann case at all. you simple do not wait if you have. it would be frivolous to do that, you are doing your job to serve justice, and if you have what your mouth is spouting, you bring the perp before a court of law. it is not a choice of frills, it is a obligation to do that.
and it is not even over with the case cb is at the moment doing a bit of jail time. if the courts have to declare no competence in the cases only on the roll, the older verdict can possibly be to reopened or even the full case had to be done over before a competent court, but the outcome could become very different.
so because the braunschweig prosecution did had been not doing their job correctly, it can end in letting a nasty basterd loose on the street. it is not that it is something that just is happening, but because you let it happening.
it happened in many, many cases, all around the world, the law dictates a correct working of these laws, and at the start it was to protect the innocent, but the result is always the bad apples profit the most.
cb was such a bad apple from his early years on, he never showed he a want to better himself.
those so called points of law is first year law education, always be sure they are correct, you make it to easy for yourself, the other party will find it.
but it means 6 years of investigation, that is a large amount of the budget and man hours taken away from other cases. so it would be understandable hcw can soon be written on jill's list of people who met their lowest point because of doing something in this case.
i never felt good about the way braunschweig their justice department followed up in this case in the media, it was a new low and degradation of the justice system itself. a verdict is reserved for judges, not for the people who work the cases.
and the last result could be we not only get a nasty basterd loose only, he could win a nice sum because as the case was handled in public. all payed by the public, and not only in germany, but in all countries that have worked with the braunschweig investigation.
so it is only on pause for now, waiting for an appeal verdict, or even a row of these, or up to a declaration of competence of the courts from sachsen anholt or a court that can handle the case if the arrival on airport frankfurt becomes the official address of cb.
i do know from experience how difficult it can be to follow up all those, often very old small part of law, but there are still there, and you have to comply to them, it is not a pick and choose. they are the foundation your case has to rest on. it is the first thing the party against you will look in to. it could not have been a surprise, they already had seen that, there already was a try out with the extradition papers.
and it is not the only choice they had to bring cb before the courts, they already have a precedent with martin n., who they lent to france for a period around 8 or 9 months, so he could be tried over there, france had to return him after that, but that same could have worked with portugal. there is also a treaty that countries could take over an convict for doing its time in a jail in its country of origine.
it is and always will be a case happened on the grounds of portugal. all the other interference did not delivered anything at all.
i like to see bad apples of the streets, the person cb has had enough chances, he blew them time after time.
but it is not a thing of the law as it is, but more a political responsibility that can change these laws. also it is always a good thing if you have taken away your freedom for the things you actually did, for me the cb figure is never been the first choice of candidates in this case for that role.
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UK tabloids have now reported that Portuguese police have been shocked by the low-level of the German investigation.
Says the Daily Mail, a leaked copy of a memo shown to the Sun newspaper showing that Portuguese detectives believe the Germans have no evidence at all ‘just speculation’.
Said one officer: ‘When reading the German case I was shocked. I never thought that the BKA would investigate so badly…”
The story simply confirms speculation both in Portugal and abroad that prosecutor Wolter’s bizarre press interviews were just another kink in a wild and inexplicable meandering road.
Source:
https://www.portugalresident.com/maddie-revelations-portuguese-police-shocked-by-german-cops-failure-to-conduct-serious-investigation/
Maybe the BND can do an Investigation as a 'Matter of National Security' and find out how Helge B, SY and the BKA colluded to Implicate Brückner?
And why?
Says the Daily Mail, a leaked copy of a memo shown to the Sun newspaper showing that Portuguese detectives believe the Germans have no evidence at all ‘just speculation’.
Said one officer: ‘When reading the German case I was shocked. I never thought that the BKA would investigate so badly…”
The story simply confirms speculation both in Portugal and abroad that prosecutor Wolter’s bizarre press interviews were just another kink in a wild and inexplicable meandering road.
Source:
https://www.portugalresident.com/maddie-revelations-portuguese-police-shocked-by-german-cops-failure-to-conduct-serious-investigation/
Maybe the BND can do an Investigation as a 'Matter of National Security' and find out how Helge B, SY and the BKA colluded to Implicate Brückner?
And why?
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at silentscope, do you have links to articles,?
the piece from portugal news is from november 2020.
the piece from portugal news is from november 2020.
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The articles are all from back in 2020.
The advisory external source is a wind-up merchant, the internal source the facilitator.
Or maybe it's all intermingled with the network of sloppy journalism that are hell bent on keeping the German in focus, who could still be nothing but a decoy.
This is not about Madeleine McCann, it's about the name Christian Brueckner - full stop. As with the Polish fantasist the name and image of Madeleine McCann is slipped in for convenience.
The latest headlines imply the German judiciary decision annuls charges against Brueckner in connection with the abduction/disappearance (depending on the source) of Madeleine McCann. This is not correct, the German man has never been charged with anything in connection with Madeleine McCann.
Enough of this tomfoolery. This has been going on longer than the pandemic and that well surpassed tedious.
The advisory external source is a wind-up merchant, the internal source the facilitator.
Or maybe it's all intermingled with the network of sloppy journalism that are hell bent on keeping the German in focus, who could still be nothing but a decoy.
This is not about Madeleine McCann, it's about the name Christian Brueckner - full stop. As with the Polish fantasist the name and image of Madeleine McCann is slipped in for convenience.
The latest headlines imply the German judiciary decision annuls charges against Brueckner in connection with the abduction/disappearance (depending on the source) of Madeleine McCann. This is not correct, the German man has never been charged with anything in connection with Madeleine McCann.
Enough of this tomfoolery. This has been going on longer than the pandemic and that well surpassed tedious.
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Well well well WHAT a coincidence!
Former Madeleine McCann investigator slams German prosecutors for their handling of suspect Christian Brueckner, saying 'they don't have any solid evidence against him'
Julian Peribanez said the real 'truth' was that the prosecutors had no evidence
Read more: Madeleine McCann investigation: German court has NO jurisdiction
By Madeleine Ross and Nick Pisa
Published: 16:08, 21 April 2023 | Updated: 16:08, 21 April 2023
A former Madeleine McCann investigator has slammed German prosecutors for dismissing claims against the lead suspect in the disappearance of the British girl, saying it has undermined Scotland Yard's investigation.
Christian Brueckner may not face charges in Germany over the British toddler's disappearance after a court there ruled prosecutors had no jurisdiction to pursue a case against him.
The convicted rapist, 45, was named as the man responsible for Madeleine's kidnap and murder after investigators in Germany claimed they had 'concrete evidence' that she was dead.
Last year Brueckner was charged with a number of sex offences – said to have taken place on the Algarve where the three-year-old vanished in 2007 – between 2000 and 2017.
An investigator hired by the missing toddler's family in 2007 said the court's decision shows that the prosecutors have 'no solid evidence' against Brueckner.
Julian Peribanez told The Sun: 'The German prosecutors spent almost three years declaring Christian B as a prime suspect, but have not filed any criminal charges against him. That means they don't have any solid evidence against him.
'You can't say he was the abductor and murderer of Madeleine McCann and declare him prime suspect without pressing charges against him, because this goes against the current investigation held by Scotland Yard as it could halt potential leads people may have,' the investigator continued.
He added that he doesn't understand the rationale behind the court deciding it does not have any jurisdiction, especially because Brueckner is in prison for raping an elderly woman in Portugal in 2005.
'Let's hope this is not a strategy to dismiss themselves also from the Madeleine McCann case saying they don't have jurisdiction - hiding the real truth, which is they don't have any solid evidence.'
The investigator, who no longer has links to the family, said he continues to work on the case in a personal capacity.
Germany prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said yesterday that nothing has changed in the toddler's case and that the decision by the Braunschweig court will need to be reviewed.
In a statement to MailOnline, Mr Wolters continued to remain upbeat insisting nothing would change for the immediate future.
He said: 'We will continue to investigate the Maddie case and the accused will remain in custody.
'With regard to the decision of the Regional Court of Braunschweig on jurisdiction in the pending proceedings, we will first carefully examine the reasons and then probably have the decision reviewed by the Higher Regional Court of Braunschweig.
'We continue to assume that we are responsible for a decision by the Higher Regional Court, so that the investigations into the Maddie case will continue as planned.
'In our view, there is currently no reason for speculation about the possible responsibility of the Magdeburg public prosecutor's office for the investigations into the Maddie case and a possible related abandonment of the proceedings.'
Brueckner has protested his innocence in her case in a series of letters to MailOnline insisting that prosecutors are 'out to get him' and they have 'no evidence' to bring charges.
In a statement to MailOnline his lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said: 'In its decision of April 19, 2023, the Regional Court of Braunschweig declared that it had no jurisdiction over the charge against Christian B. and revoked the arrest warrant against him.
'The defense already pointed out during the preliminary proceedings that the Braunschweig judiciary should not have local jurisdiction.
'For reasons that are not understandable here, the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig clung to its jurisdiction and thus risked being overturned by the Federal Court of Justice if it were opened. This is very questionable, in particular given the fact that a large number of witnesses would have had to appear in court again (on very incriminating issues) in the event of an annulment.
'The court's decision also means that the Braunschweig judiciary is not responsible for the 'Maddie' case.'
The decision means that arrest warrants for Brueckner on the case are dismissed but he will not be released from jail where he is serving a seven-year sentence for rape and is not due for release until 2026 after a parole request was rejected.
In the German legal system, a court must decide after it receives an indictment from prosecutors whether to take a case to trial.
The Braunschweig state court said its supposed responsibility for the case being in the area had been based on his last residence before going abroad and then to prison.
But it said that isn't valid, because the suspect produced evidence of a later residence in the neighboring state of Saxony-Anhalt, where he was registered as the owner of a property that he kept after going abroad.
The court said that, as a result of its decision, it has lifted a new arrest warrant it issued for the suspect in November.
It said in a statement that this has no influence on the suspect's serving of his current sentence.
It said that its decision can be appealed to a higher court in Braunschweig.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11999755/Madeleine-McCann-investigator-slams-German-prosecutors-handling-Christian-Brueckner.html
Former Madeleine McCann investigator slams German prosecutors for their handling of suspect Christian Brueckner, saying 'they don't have any solid evidence against him'
Julian Peribanez said the real 'truth' was that the prosecutors had no evidence
Read more: Madeleine McCann investigation: German court has NO jurisdiction
By Madeleine Ross and Nick Pisa
Published: 16:08, 21 April 2023 | Updated: 16:08, 21 April 2023
A former Madeleine McCann investigator has slammed German prosecutors for dismissing claims against the lead suspect in the disappearance of the British girl, saying it has undermined Scotland Yard's investigation.
Christian Brueckner may not face charges in Germany over the British toddler's disappearance after a court there ruled prosecutors had no jurisdiction to pursue a case against him.
The convicted rapist, 45, was named as the man responsible for Madeleine's kidnap and murder after investigators in Germany claimed they had 'concrete evidence' that she was dead.
Last year Brueckner was charged with a number of sex offences – said to have taken place on the Algarve where the three-year-old vanished in 2007 – between 2000 and 2017.
An investigator hired by the missing toddler's family in 2007 said the court's decision shows that the prosecutors have 'no solid evidence' against Brueckner.
Julian Peribanez told The Sun: 'The German prosecutors spent almost three years declaring Christian B as a prime suspect, but have not filed any criminal charges against him. That means they don't have any solid evidence against him.
'You can't say he was the abductor and murderer of Madeleine McCann and declare him prime suspect without pressing charges against him, because this goes against the current investigation held by Scotland Yard as it could halt potential leads people may have,' the investigator continued.
He added that he doesn't understand the rationale behind the court deciding it does not have any jurisdiction, especially because Brueckner is in prison for raping an elderly woman in Portugal in 2005.
'Let's hope this is not a strategy to dismiss themselves also from the Madeleine McCann case saying they don't have jurisdiction - hiding the real truth, which is they don't have any solid evidence.'
The investigator, who no longer has links to the family, said he continues to work on the case in a personal capacity.
Germany prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said yesterday that nothing has changed in the toddler's case and that the decision by the Braunschweig court will need to be reviewed.
In a statement to MailOnline, Mr Wolters continued to remain upbeat insisting nothing would change for the immediate future.
He said: 'We will continue to investigate the Maddie case and the accused will remain in custody.
'With regard to the decision of the Regional Court of Braunschweig on jurisdiction in the pending proceedings, we will first carefully examine the reasons and then probably have the decision reviewed by the Higher Regional Court of Braunschweig.
'We continue to assume that we are responsible for a decision by the Higher Regional Court, so that the investigations into the Maddie case will continue as planned.
'In our view, there is currently no reason for speculation about the possible responsibility of the Magdeburg public prosecutor's office for the investigations into the Maddie case and a possible related abandonment of the proceedings.'
Brueckner has protested his innocence in her case in a series of letters to MailOnline insisting that prosecutors are 'out to get him' and they have 'no evidence' to bring charges.
In a statement to MailOnline his lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said: 'In its decision of April 19, 2023, the Regional Court of Braunschweig declared that it had no jurisdiction over the charge against Christian B. and revoked the arrest warrant against him.
'The defense already pointed out during the preliminary proceedings that the Braunschweig judiciary should not have local jurisdiction.
'For reasons that are not understandable here, the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig clung to its jurisdiction and thus risked being overturned by the Federal Court of Justice if it were opened. This is very questionable, in particular given the fact that a large number of witnesses would have had to appear in court again (on very incriminating issues) in the event of an annulment.
'The court's decision also means that the Braunschweig judiciary is not responsible for the 'Maddie' case.'
The decision means that arrest warrants for Brueckner on the case are dismissed but he will not be released from jail where he is serving a seven-year sentence for rape and is not due for release until 2026 after a parole request was rejected.
In the German legal system, a court must decide after it receives an indictment from prosecutors whether to take a case to trial.
The Braunschweig state court said its supposed responsibility for the case being in the area had been based on his last residence before going abroad and then to prison.
But it said that isn't valid, because the suspect produced evidence of a later residence in the neighboring state of Saxony-Anhalt, where he was registered as the owner of a property that he kept after going abroad.
The court said that, as a result of its decision, it has lifted a new arrest warrant it issued for the suspect in November.
It said in a statement that this has no influence on the suspect's serving of his current sentence.
It said that its decision can be appealed to a higher court in Braunschweig.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11999755/Madeleine-McCann-investigator-slams-German-prosecutors-handling-Christian-Brueckner.html
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A former Madeleine McCann investigator has slammed German prosecutors for dismissing claims against the lead suspect in the disappearance of the British girl, saying it has undermined Scotland Yard's investigation.
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Julian Peribanez told The Sun: 'The German prosecutors spent almost three years declaring Christian B as a prime suspect, but have not filed any criminal charges against him. That means they don't have any solid evidence against him.
'You can't say he was the abductor and murderer of Madeleine McCann and declare him prime suspect without pressing charges against him, because this goes against the current investigation held by Scotland Yard as it could halt potential leads people may have,' the investigator continued.
Christian Brueckner is not, has never been, will never be the 'prime suspect' in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
Now please stop trying to re-write history - who do you think you are .... extinction rebellion?
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and the julian did not told these citations even this week, they are just recycled from februari this year at least, and the early ruminating media concepts cites it all back to an piece in radaronline. from 24 februari 2023.
you know the you phone it in, and we will get it online, if the sun was even before that i can not find that as quickly. but i remember the piece from the other vehicle in this case, that wanted a heaping of the silage.
so who knows who is milking who and what, it is all in all just spoiled milk by now. the why is a lot easier, they just want a piece of pie. none of these figures has fixed in their mind something so obscure as justice for a girl named madeleine mccann.
in dutch we call people like the julian media hoer, or translated media hooker, we are only polite to not call the names who actually put their names above or under the crab pimps, but we are allowed in thinking it of course.
you know the you phone it in, and we will get it online, if the sun was even before that i can not find that as quickly. but i remember the piece from the other vehicle in this case, that wanted a heaping of the silage.
so who knows who is milking who and what, it is all in all just spoiled milk by now. the why is a lot easier, they just want a piece of pie. none of these figures has fixed in their mind something so obscure as justice for a girl named madeleine mccann.
in dutch we call people like the julian media hoer, or translated media hooker, we are only polite to not call the names who actually put their names above or under the crab pimps, but we are allowed in thinking it of course.
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It is indeed a technicality - that has never been denied, indeed the present situation has been declared so since first mentioned - back in September/October 2022 if memory serves me well.
10/10 for stating the blooming obvious!
Personally I'm not remotely interested in Brueckner, wording press reports in a particular way to suggest something in the mind of the reader that is not factual is an act of deception - that is what is happening here.
Christian Brueckner will never be formally charged in connection with Madeleine McCann's disappearance for the simple reason the German authorities have no evidence - let alone proof.
Trying to avoid (read ignore) the evidence and intelligence harvested by the original Portuguese investigation will not make it go away, it is but an irritating distraction and doesn't fool anyone but the gullible and/or the blinkered. You can't wipe out history, facts and evidence are still there for all to see if they only take the time to look.
Hence we ain't going nowhere!
I don't think anyone will ever stand trial for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in a court of law, even more reason for CMOMM to continue the crusade.
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VERY STRANGE. Comments are still OPEN. (first two here are mine)
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MAMacP
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For those who have not yet studied the case . . . There is no evidence that Madeleine was alive and well after Monday 30 April. The famous pool photo was clearly taken on the Sunday, for example, despite the claims that it was taken on Thursday. And from that day all the statements which say people saw her are either vague or contradictory
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One of the big problems is that German Courts, Portuguese Courts and British Courts need EVIDENCE, and there is no evidence of an abduction, only of a "child reported missing" which is not the same thing EDITED
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PRprofessormgd
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Will this ever go away not as long as the media feels it can get readers money out of it
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Maybe it's a money making business
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Personally I would slam the police for not charging Madelines parents with child abandonment.
They were lucky only one of their kids were taken.
I have been to the resort in Portugal, the apartment is quite away from the restaurant.
I have never left my child's so yes can say that.
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For those who have not yet studied the case . . . There is no evidence that Madeleine was alive and well after Monday 30 April. The famous pool photo was clearly taken on the Sunday, for example, despite the claims that it was taken on Thursday. And from that day all the statements which say people saw her are either vague or contradictory
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One of the big problems is that German Courts, Portuguese Courts and British Courts need EVIDENCE, and there is no evidence of an abduction, only of a "child reported missing" which is not the same thing EDITED
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Will this ever go away not as long as the media feels it can get readers money out of it
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Personally I would slam the police for not charging Madelines parents with child abandonment.
They were lucky only one of their kids were taken.
I have been to the resort in Portugal, the apartment is quite away from the restaurant.
I have never left my child's so yes can say that.
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Firstly, the charge of abandonment isn't being 55 yards away and returning every 20 minutes. Secondly, the exact distance from the tapas bar to the McCanns apartment is 50.82 metres, so 55.25 yards, so not far. Thirdly, from the 1950s to the end of the holiday camp era in the 2000's, it was a common practice for parents to drop their kids back to their chalets, and then return to the camps clubs and bars.
Just go to google images and enter: ' Child crying in chalet, Butlins' Holiday camps routinely had staff walking around the chalet blocks of an evening, and big display boards in club areas, with the words 'CRYING CHILD IN CHALET NUMBER : xxx. So, save the sanctimonious BS, because leaving your kids and trusting a stranger to walkie-talkie in any crying kids or issues, was part and parcel of UK holiday camp life for 50 years. EDITEDREPLY0SHAREFLA
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I believe them when some of the tapas 7 group said they have stayed where nanny patrol's checked on chalets listening for crying children and I believe they went to Praia da Luz intending to do the same checking system themselves.
Two of the families took baby monitors to do just that but I don't believe their accounts of the timeline they produced, it's impossible to be so specific as to times.
The only reason Christian Brueckner has been named as a suspect is because of circumstantial evidence that fits in with the timeline, if there was no timeline, there would be no Christian Brueckner.
Two of the families took baby monitors to do just that but I don't believe their accounts of the timeline they produced, it's impossible to be so specific as to times.
The only reason Christian Brueckner has been named as a suspect is because of circumstantial evidence that fits in with the timeline, if there was no timeline, there would be no Christian Brueckner.
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sure, but what timeline do you use, when there are 4, or even 5 of these around.
not one of the produced timelines ever fits all that is told, said and found. they deserve the term fictional over factual. so they can not be used to set a stage of what really did happen when, or on that evening of may 3 2007 itself.
there are hardly sturdy and sound marking points to use when you want to check another party with a possible role against it. and going there to use hearsay of other criminals would not make that all more clear.
it is impossible to deduce from any timeline, they are made without the real intention of finding madeleine mccann. there is none who put her in the center.
even their own version of reconstructing a timeline failed. it is on video even.
it is impossible to reconstruct it, i tried it the usual way, just in my head, than used a lot of paper, even a good quality map, and in the end got so far to get the playmobil puppets and a large box of lego, and even with a lot of giving room for being honest mistaken, it never fitted. you can check over and over, i always think i muist have made a mistake somewhere, but it is impossible to use any of the given timelines as soon as you want to fit in the information from the statements.
it becomes much easier if you allow yourself some jokers in the play, like not in 2007 existing phone masts, but in the end you still get to the conclusion the timelines are fake, made up because there must have been more important things in some people their lives, than a little girl called madeleine.
i still do not see a cb fitting in any timeline. the amateurs have been so busy to fill the timelines, they forget to leave room for a third party.
i do not think der hans will let this case that easily go, so i do think we get some more, and that means there still will be that connection to the name madeleine mccann. i now it sound like a big win for her lawyer, but it is only his first, he lost earlier on getting a miss trial and the supposed faulty use of the extradition papers.
so it is only 2-1 at the moment.
not one of the produced timelines ever fits all that is told, said and found. they deserve the term fictional over factual. so they can not be used to set a stage of what really did happen when, or on that evening of may 3 2007 itself.
there are hardly sturdy and sound marking points to use when you want to check another party with a possible role against it. and going there to use hearsay of other criminals would not make that all more clear.
it is impossible to deduce from any timeline, they are made without the real intention of finding madeleine mccann. there is none who put her in the center.
even their own version of reconstructing a timeline failed. it is on video even.
it is impossible to reconstruct it, i tried it the usual way, just in my head, than used a lot of paper, even a good quality map, and in the end got so far to get the playmobil puppets and a large box of lego, and even with a lot of giving room for being honest mistaken, it never fitted. you can check over and over, i always think i muist have made a mistake somewhere, but it is impossible to use any of the given timelines as soon as you want to fit in the information from the statements.
it becomes much easier if you allow yourself some jokers in the play, like not in 2007 existing phone masts, but in the end you still get to the conclusion the timelines are fake, made up because there must have been more important things in some people their lives, than a little girl called madeleine.
i still do not see a cb fitting in any timeline. the amateurs have been so busy to fill the timelines, they forget to leave room for a third party.
i do not think der hans will let this case that easily go, so i do think we get some more, and that means there still will be that connection to the name madeleine mccann. i now it sound like a big win for her lawyer, but it is only his first, he lost earlier on getting a miss trial and the supposed faulty use of the extradition papers.
so it is only 2-1 at the moment.
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They still have until 2029 to Milk the Cash Cow which is the Brückner Saga.
HCW must know this is his one and only chance.
With the world’s press now maintaining that Christian Brückner has an alibi for the night Madeleine went missing, the main issue is that as of May 3 the Statute of Limitations on prosecutions of this kind has come crashing down.
This means that Christian Brückner is positively the last suspect authorities can put up.
They now have until November 3, 2029 to ‘gather proof against him’, explains legal commentator Rui Pereira.
“Any proof gathered from now on can only be directed at Brückner”, he told Correio da Manhã. This is because crimes punishable with jail terms of more than 10 years have a 15-year prosecution limit.
“In this case, the crime is one of aggravated murder, carrying a prison terms of up to 25 years (…) In my opinion (the time limit) is very short and should be extended”, he added. But the law is the law and Christian Brückner is covered by it.
Now that he has been made an official suspect, police have half the period of the legal time limit (seven and a half years) to come up with their proof that he is the man responsible for snatching Madeleine.
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https://www.portugalresident.com/bruckner-is-final-suspect/
HCW must know this is his one and only chance.
With the world’s press now maintaining that Christian Brückner has an alibi for the night Madeleine went missing, the main issue is that as of May 3 the Statute of Limitations on prosecutions of this kind has come crashing down.
This means that Christian Brückner is positively the last suspect authorities can put up.
They now have until November 3, 2029 to ‘gather proof against him’, explains legal commentator Rui Pereira.
“Any proof gathered from now on can only be directed at Brückner”, he told Correio da Manhã. This is because crimes punishable with jail terms of more than 10 years have a 15-year prosecution limit.
“In this case, the crime is one of aggravated murder, carrying a prison terms of up to 25 years (…) In my opinion (the time limit) is very short and should be extended”, he added. But the law is the law and Christian Brückner is covered by it.
Now that he has been made an official suspect, police have half the period of the legal time limit (seven and a half years) to come up with their proof that he is the man responsible for snatching Madeleine.
Source:
https://www.portugalresident.com/bruckner-is-final-suspect/
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I think the timeline is nothing more than to try to make the tapas lot look like they were checking the children at regular intervals.
It was a piece of fiction constructed to decieve the police into thinking Madeleine was taken whilst the checks were being made.
It was a piece of fiction constructed to decieve the police into thinking Madeleine was taken whilst the checks were being made.
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CB had spent many years in Portugal and as far as we know, he hasn't kidnapped or murdered any child, there have been hundreds of children visiting Praia da Luz on holiday during that time.
We know he has exposed himself to children in Portugal but nothing else child related.
The McCann's have from the start, wanted the story to be the children were left alone in an unlocked apartment and that is the sole reason for Madeleine's disappearance.
We know he has exposed himself to children in Portugal but nothing else child related.
The McCann's have from the start, wanted the story to be the children were left alone in an unlocked apartment and that is the sole reason for Madeleine's disappearance.
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@ onehand - playmobile figures and Lego , now that's dedication to the search
Considering the Tapas 7 refused to return for a reconstruction so good old Kate and Gerry didn't have to ! Just Gerry directing his own " version of the truth " !
How many " versions " have we had so far I wonder ?
Yet Kate knows more than we do , because she was there !
" I know what happened wasn't due to us leaving them sleeping , I know it happened under other circumstances "
Oh how I wish she'd tell us what those " other circumstances " are !!
Considering the Tapas 7 refused to return for a reconstruction so good old Kate and Gerry didn't have to ! Just Gerry directing his own " version of the truth " !
How many " versions " have we had so far I wonder ?
Yet Kate knows more than we do , because she was there !
" I know what happened wasn't due to us leaving them sleeping , I know it happened under other circumstances "
Oh how I wish she'd tell us what those " other circumstances " are !!
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well it was well before the 3d video got more common. we used it quite a lot before that. i was already to old when lego became the norm, i grew up with bambino and wooden blocks, and those little stick with glue together things. it was quite useful if you could not get to much near a place you planned a bit of short and fast action.
it was always hard to get just those views you wanted to see. most pictures were just the usual paper illustration. hardly anything to see the lines you could use to get access within very little time. when all those people who tell they have been out and about, it is extremely unlikely there could be room to fit in a third party.
it was never only the tapas9, but also a lot of others passing by.
i liked the video version with the music of laurel and hardy most, but they left all the others out.
to be true, the tapas9 had very little talent in criminal affairs.
cb also is not that criminal mastermind at all. we know of his long list of crimes, because he was caught time after time. and convicted also. his escaping the system acts have been the easy part. they had the helge b. testimony from 2017 under investigation, they did ask for portuguese cases from the years he was in the area. they had a lucky time with a not that experienced lawyer to get him in on the 2005 case.
this case has just to much shouters, and in silence the case is already solved in 2007.
it was always hard to get just those views you wanted to see. most pictures were just the usual paper illustration. hardly anything to see the lines you could use to get access within very little time. when all those people who tell they have been out and about, it is extremely unlikely there could be room to fit in a third party.
it was never only the tapas9, but also a lot of others passing by.
i liked the video version with the music of laurel and hardy most, but they left all the others out.
to be true, the tapas9 had very little talent in criminal affairs.
cb also is not that criminal mastermind at all. we know of his long list of crimes, because he was caught time after time. and convicted also. his escaping the system acts have been the easy part. they had the helge b. testimony from 2017 under investigation, they did ask for portuguese cases from the years he was in the area. they had a lucky time with a not that experienced lawyer to get him in on the 2005 case.
this case has just to much shouters, and in silence the case is already solved in 2007.
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Kate also was tempted to shout the truth from the rooftops.
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If the children had been left unattended, it would have been easy for an 'abductor' to get into the apartment. With the alleged checking, a regular flow of people coming and going reduced that possibility enormously. It was a stupid plan.
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