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Post by Silentscope on 22.10.20 21:22

Three hundred children go missing and are not found again in the UK every year and on average the police expenditure on each child that isn't found is £2,500.


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Post by Silverspeed on 22.10.20 23:38

Madeleine McCann's parents told 'not to get hopes up' with 'no evidence against suspect'
Christian Brueckner was identified as the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance back in June, but a Europe-wide appeal for information has not produced a breakthrough

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Kate and Gerry McCann 'had hoped there was going to be a breakthrough'.
Madeleine McCann’s parents have been told it is “highly unlikely” prime suspect Christian Brueckner will be charged over her disappearance.

Scotland Yard detectives say there is “no evidence” linking the German drifter to the crime 13 years ago.

A Europe-wide appeal for information earlier this year about the convicted paedophile’s links to Madeleine has not led to a breakthrough in the case.

And police have warned parents Kate and Gerry not to get their hopes up that Brueckner, 43, will ever be brought to justice.

A family pal said: “Kate and Gerry had hoped there was going to be a breakthrough, finally, after 13 years.

Scotland Yard detectives say there is 'no evidence' linking Christian Brueckner to the crime.

“But officers have recently advised them not to get their hopes up as there was no significant development in the investigation. It’s a huge disappointment for them.

“They’ve had their hopes raised then dashed so many times, with possible sightings of Madeleine and suspects being interviewed.”

Three-year-old Madeleine went missing from an apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007.

Brueckner is currently in jail for raping an elderly US woman in the resort in 2005.
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Post by PeterMac on 23.10.20 15:31

A Europe-wide appeal for information earlier this year about the convicted paedophile’s links to Madeleine has not led to a breakthrough in the case.
CEOPS chief Jim Gamble's appeal for photos taken in PdL to identify the "Abductor" did not lead to a breakthrough in the case.
Crimewatch programme in 2011 identifying Dr Totman did not lead to a breakthrough in the case
Crimewatch reconstruction in 2013 did not lead to a breakthrough in the case 

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Whereas
The alerts by the BRITISH Cadaver and blood detection dogs DID lead to a breakthrough in the case
Detailed analysis of the Pool Photo DID lead to a breakthrough in the case
Identifying an in-law as a photo manipulator AND keen astronomer DID lead to a breakthrough in the case
Analysis and comparison of many witness statements DID Lead to a breakthrough in the case
Analysis of interviews with the principle suspects DID led to a breakthrough in the case 
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it is just that no one wants to notice.
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Post by sharonl on 23.10.20 19:52

Hang on a mo?  Didn't Gamble ask for all holidaymakers from that week to send their snaps to him rather than the PJ?

He must have got some photographs from that week.

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Post by Jill Havern on 23.10.20 20:58



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A German prosecutor goes public with earth-shattering news that Madeleine has been murdered by a new prime suspect. But what is the 'concrete evidence' that points to her death, and does it stand up under close scrutiny?

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Post by PeterMac on 24.10.20 7:16

Very interesting interview.
Wolters backing down on many of the points
He doesn't know the radius of reception of a Mobile phone mast
He wrongly states that the mast was owned by the OC
He states he is UNABLE TO SAY what day Madeleine died

And then as Mark Saunokonoko presses him further he starts to retreat into the legal form "I am not allowed to discuss.."
and uses this form when he is asked about the dogs' alerts.  
Then in an astonishing piece of sophistry suggests that Grange have the evidence that Madeleine is dead, and suggests that he, Wolters, might have got it from them
Grange then deny this.  Obviously

Worth the half hour of your life.  Listen with pencil and paper to hand
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Post by BlueBag on 24.10.20 7:22

So... it's all about nothing.

As we thought.
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Post by PeterMac on 24.10.20 7:52

Its looking that way.
BUT it may be that Fülscher might want to expose it, rather than just to let it drop.

Work to be done behind the scenes, as always
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Post by Silentscope on 24.10.20 9:23

If Attack is the best form of Defence - go for it!

He must have enough Ammunition by now?
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Post by PeterMac on 24.10.20 9:32

Softlee, softlee catchee mendacious monkee

Keep your eye on the squirrel
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Post by MaxHeadroom on 24.10.20 9:38

@PeterMac wrote:Very interesting interview.
Wolters backing down on many of the points
He doesn't know the radius of reception of a Mobile phone mast
He wrongly states that the mast was owned by the OC
He states he is UNABLE TO SAY what day Madeleine died

And then as Mark Saunokonoko presses him further he starts to retreat into the legal form "I am not allowed to discuss.."
and uses this form when he is asked about the dogs' alerts.  
Then in an astonishing piece of sophistry suggests that Grange have the evidence that Madeleine is dead, and suggests that he, Wolters, might have got it from them
Grange then deny this.  Obviously

Worth the half hour of your life.  Listen with pencil and paper to hand
Just as I expected - Wolters just can't stop embarrassing himself with the same nonsense again and again. He first has a big mouth ("100% sure he did it", "concrete evidence", blablabla), but then backs down when asked what that is that makes him so sure and confident - revealing that in fact they have nothing to incriminate him aside from some thin circumstantial "evidence" we've heard a million times before. Just as untrustworthy as Kate and Gerry M..
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Post by Verdi on 24.10.20 16:23

'GAME IS UP' Fears probe into Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B could be closed in New Year as prosecutors hit ‘brick wall’

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   24 Oct 2020, 15:54Updated: 24 Oct 2020, 15:59

THE investigation into Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B could be closed down in the New Year.

We can reveal a “catastrophic” lack of progress in the probe has raised fears it will be shelved in just a few weeks time.

German investigators have been working around the clock to try and generate fresh clues against the jailed sex-offender.

But police sources in Portugal told The Sun Online the German team has hit a “brick wall”.

We can also reveal how cops on Praia Da Luz where Maddie vanished 13 years ago are privately seething the investigation into Bruckener has carried on so long.

They insist he was ruled out as a suspect soon after the four-year-old  went missing.

And the Portugese believe vital time has been wasted by focusing on the jailed German sex offender.

“The game is almost up for the officers investigating Christian B,” a source close to the investigation said yesterday.

They’ve been struggling now for many weeks to find new clues[/u]. Leads have dried up catastrophically and there are now hardly any new lines of enquiry at all.

“[u]None of this has come as a surprise to the Portuguese team who worked on the original investigation. They have believed for a long time that the investigation into B is effectively a wild goose chase
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“They think a lot of time, energy and resources have been wasted and that the focus should now be on finding the person who actually took Madeleine.”

Our story comes days after reports indicated Maddie’s parents, Kate and Gerry, were being warned to brace themselves for news that the investigation was going nowhere fast.

The admission comes two weeks after the lawyer representing Christian B called on prosecutors to ''show their cards'' to be ''fair'' to them and his client.

Friedrich Fulscher has demanded that German investigators share the "concrete evidence" they have that proves Madeleine is dead - something he claims they have refused to reveal.

Mr Fulscher said: ''It is no secret that the Portuguese have a different theory of what happened to the German BKA (federal police).

"The German prosecution could put an end to this theory when they finally put their cards on the table.

''This would be fair to the suspect and for the parents - both sides could judge for themselves how robust they consider the evidence to be.'

Sun Online revealed last month how Christian B had been sneering at the “dirty tricks” he believes German cops have been using to try and get him to confess to taking Madeleine.

He was named in June as the prime suspect in Madeleine's abduction.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13013261/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-investigation-close/

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Post by PeterMac on 24.10.20 16:48

The penny is finally beginning to drop.
Anyone who concentrates on 2200 Hrs, 3/5/7 is doomed to fail
Because whatever happened did not happen on that day, that date, around that time.
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Post by Verdi on 24.10.20 16:55

The Sun wrote:He was named in June as the prime suspect in Madeleine's abduction.

Madeleine McCann was not abducted.

They needn't have gone any further than that - if it's truth they're looking for.

And here's another hint..

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Post by pauloalexandre on 24.10.20 17:07

"Madeleine's abduction"

They need to have their readers make that assumption, so that they don't look at the evidence.

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Post by Verdi on 24.10.20 21:50

Yeah, for thirteen and a half years - it past it's sell by date in May 2007, when the Portuguese police knew that Madeleine MCann had not been abducted.

It's a blatant mockery of the average intelligence. Even those who believed when they read and heard the initial reports must at some stage have started to doubt the official narrative.

See or hear the word 'abduction' in relation to this case and you immediately .... reject!

Even the comments allowed through at the foot of any report do not truly represent public opinion. They are carefully moderated to ensure a 'balanced' view, a view they want you to hear, not what the public want you to hear.

How do I know? Been there done it. I used to post comments but I was blacklisted, even so far as to email me to say my comments were not appreciated by readers.

Who - me angel ?

You can comment but you must confine criticism to small talk about neglect and UK police expenditure - even then you have to be very careful what you say.

The media is the biggest propaganda machine on the planet!

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Post by Verdi on 25.10.20 1:57

So now the intelligent tabloid #makesyerfinkdunnit runs it's version of the truth..

Madeleine McCann suspect may never be quizzed as police 'a witness away from justice'

EXCLUSIVE: Prosecutor leading inquiry into paedophile Christian Brueckner alleged links to the disappearance of Madeleine says they may be just one witness from justice

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21:34, 24 OCT 2020

The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann may never face court over the crime.

The warning comes as investigators say they could be just one witness away from getting justice for Madeleine.

The prosecutor leading the inquiry into Christian Brueckner’s alleged links to the tot’s disappearance in Portugal in 2007, Hans Christian Wolters, said there was no “forensic evidence” and other clues they had were “not enough to get an arrest warrant”.

Paedophile Brueckner was named as a suspect in June amid claims of “strong evidence”.

But Mr Wolters, who is leading the probe in Germany, now says that without new clues, he will never be quizzed over missing Maddie.

Mr Wolters said he was “hopeful” evidence would be found for police to charge and quiz Brueckner, 43, but added: “At the moment our evidence is not so strong we are sure he will be sentenced by the court.”

It’s an about-turn from the prosecutor who has previously claimed police have “concrete” evidence Madeleine is dead.

Now he’s told podcast They’ve Taken Her: “Maybe we need more witnesses or photos or video.”

He added: "Maybe we need one witness who can tell us the things we don’t know.”

A friend of the McCann family said: “It feels like he is trying to lower expectations after coming out all guns blazing.

"It’s heartbreaking for Kate and Gerry.”

Brueckner, a drifter with child pornography and rape convictions, is serving a drugs jail term in Germany.

He lived near the Praia da Luz resort where the three-year-old was snatched in 2007.

Brueckner’s lawyer Friedrich Fuelscher says his client is innocent.

Detectives are reportedly seeking two Russian men they believe spoke to Brueckner before Maddie, then three, vanished in Portugal in 2007.

Brueckner, who ­denies any involvement, is in a German jail for the drug offences.

He is also ­accused of raping a 72-year-old woman in Portugal in 2005.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-never-quizzed-22900129

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Yes, it must be really heartbreaking to learn your precious daughter wasn't murdered by a convicted paedophile after all.

Wolters v. Fuelscher. The former has undisclosed concrete evidence that Germanman is guilty of abduction and murder and the later who has undisclosed concrete evidence that Germanman is not guilty of abduction and murder.

Neither have any evidence to back their claims, even though they promised to reveal all. Four/five months of wasted energy - who is behind it I ask myself.

The Portuguese are still the leading investigative force, they have never been taken-in by this alleged German investigation - even Sloperation Grange have isolated themselves from it.

So what is this really all about - just another timely distraction to divert from the truth?

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Post by Verdi on 25.10.20 12:56

What would Sunday be if not for a tabloid EXCLUSIVE?

Madeleine McCann prime suspect may never face court over abduction claims


The prosecutor leading the inquiry into German paedo Christian Brueckner said there is no “forensic evidence” that would support an arrest warrant.
ByPatrick Hill

04:30, 25 OCT 2020

The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann may never face court over the crime.

The warning comes from the ­prosecutor leading the inquiry into Christian Brueckner’s alleged links to the three-year-old’s disappearance in Portugal in 2007.

Hans Christian Wolters said there was no “forensic evidence” and what other clues they had were “not enough to get an arrest warrant”.

Wolters said he was “hopeful” ­missing evidence would be found for police to charge and interrogate Brueckner, 43, but added: “At the moment our evidence is strong, but not so strong we are sure he will be sentenced by the court.”

It’s an about-turn from the ­prosecutor, who has previously claimed police had “concrete” ­evidence that Madeleine is dead.

It is understood her parents Kate and Gerry have not been told what the evidence is and the Metropolitan Police in London is still treating the case, which has now cost £12million, as a missing persons inquiry.

Wolters told the They’ve Taken Her podcast: “Maybe we need more ­witnesses or we need some photos or video.”

A friend of the McCann family said yesterday: “It feels like he is trying to lower expectations after coming out all guns blazing. It’s heartbreaking.”

Wolters also said that if ­Brueckner is ever charged in relation to ­Madeleine’s disappearance, it could now be hard for him to have a fair trial following worldwide publicity.

Bruecker, a drifter ­convicted of child pornography offences and rape, is serving a drugs jail term in Kiel, Germany.

Police are reportedly ­searching for two Russian men – thought to be brothers – who they believe spoke to Brueckner in the spring of 2007, before Madeleine disappeared from a holiday villa in Praia da Luz.

At the time, he lived near the Algarve resort where the three-year-old was snatched while her parents were eating dinner at a nearby ­restaurant.

Brueckner’s lawyer insists his ­client is innocent.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/german-paedophile-suspected-abducting-madeleine-22900797
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Wolters also said that if ­Brueckner is ever charged in relation to ­Madeleine’s disappearance, it could now be hard for him to have a fair trial following worldwide publicity.
Well there's a coincidence!

A friend of the McCann family said yesterday: “It feels like he is trying to lower expectations after coming out all guns blazing. It’s heartbreaking.”

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Post by miffy8 on 25.10.20 13:14

Perhaps nobody told Me Wolters that, concrete has a tendancy to slip through ones fingers without a component part called CEMENT.

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Post by Silentscope on 25.10.20 14:09

I think Herr Wolters will be Cementing a new relationship soon.

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Post by Verdi on 25.10.20 20:35

Today's Waily Snail has this to say, a slight variation - the personal touch..

He has previously been convicted of possessing child abuse and of rape.

ooops Awkward !

A family friend of the McCann's said comments from Mr Wolters were heartbreaking.

They told The Mirror: 'It feels like he is trying to lower expectations after coming out all guns blazing.'

So I say again. Comments from Wolters heartbreaking and he's lowering expectations - so, you would prefer confirmation that your three year old child had been abducted and murdered by a paedophile?

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Post by sharonl on 25.10.20 22:32

For what its worth, this is what appears on the BKA website


Disappearance of Madeleine McCANN in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on 03/05/2007 – call for witnesses

BKA and Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office are conducting investigative proceedings for suspected murder against a German suspect
On 03/05/2007, then 3-year-old Madeleine (Maddie) Beth McCANN disappeared without a trace from a hotel complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
In this connection, on behalf of Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office, the Bundeskriminalamt is conducting investigative proceedings for suspected murder against a 43-year-old German na- tional currently in detention in a different matter.
The suspect lived more or less permanently in the Algarve between 1995 and 2007. For several years, he lived in a house between Lagos and Praia da Luz, among other places. He had several oc- casional jobs, among other things in the gastronomy business, in the Lagos area in this time period. In addition, there is information suggesting that he also earned his living by committing criminal offences, such as burglaries of hotel complexes and holiday flats as well as trafficking in narcotic drugs.
Furthermore, the suspect was sentenced on numerous occasions to prison terms for sexual abuse of children in the past. This fact is probably not known to most of the contact persons.
The investigating authorities know of several vehicles used by him, his points of contact and a Por- tuguese mobile phone number.
The Bundeskriminalamt and Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office ask for your assistance in further clarifying the circumstances of the offence.
For information that leads to the investigation of the deed, a reward of € 10,000 is awarded. *
Bundeskriminalamt | Öffentlichkeitsfahndung | Juni 2020 1
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 Nationality: German  Sex: male
 Age: 43 years
 Time of offence: 03/05/2007
 Place of offence: Praia da Luz, Portugal
In order to clarify the circumstances of the offence, it is of particular importance to establish the actual whereabouts of the suspect at the presumed time of offence (between 21:10 hrs and 22:00 hrs on the day of the offence).
At the time in question, the suspect used a dark coloured Jaguar XJR 6. We do not hold any infor- mation on the specific registration of the vehicle before the offence was committed. The last known registration after the day of the offence was a city of Augsburg registration. He also used a white and yellow VW T3 Westfalia with a Portuguese registration. There is information suggesting that he may have used one of these vehicles to commit the offence.
In addition, he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile phone number + 351 912 730 680 in the time period in question. On 03/05/2007, there was a phone call with a so far unidentified per- son in the area of Praia da Luz at the material time. The conversation partner used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness, but was not staying in the area at the time of the call.
 Can you provide information on the vehicles used by the suspect and/or have you seen the vehicles in the beginning of May 2007? Do you know where these vehicles were parked in the aforementioned time period?
 Can you provide information on the above-mentioned telephone numbers and/or the persons using these numbers in May 2007?
 Can you provide information on the houses and rooms in the photographs or on other points of contact?
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 Did you also stay in the Algarve in the beginning of May 2007 and do you still have image material, such as holiday photographs and videos, from that time?
 Did you have contact with persons who have links to the vehicles, buildings and tele- phone numbers shown? Can you provide information on their whereabouts in the be- ginning of May 2007?
 Have you yourself possibly been the victim of an offence committed by this person?
 Furthermore, there is reason to assume that there are other persons, apart from the sus- pect, who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime and maybe also of the place where the body was left. We explicitly ask these persons to contact us and provide information.
Upon request, it is also possible to check whether this information can be treated as confidential!
Photographs and videos can be uploaded to the BKA-Hinweisportal (reporting platform) at bka.hinweisportal.de.
Detailed information on the vehicles:
  Verhicle 1:
Colour:
Registration number
Whereabouts
Colour:
Registration number
Whereabouts
Please note:
Jaguar XJR 6
Dark red / yellow
The last know registration after the day of the offence was a city of Augsburg registration The whereabouts of the vehicle are known
White / yellow
In May 2007, the vehicle carried Portuguese number plates
The whereabouts of the vehicle are known
The suspect was not the vehicle keeper. The vehicle keeper can be ruled out as a suspect.
               Verhicle 2 VW T3 Westfalia
             We kindly ask you to contact the Bundeskriminalamt at phone number + 49 (0) 611 / 55 -18444 or any other police office should you have any information.
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* The award and distribution of the reward will be decided with the exclusion of legal recourse. The reward is intended only for private individuals not involved in the crime and not for public officials whose professional duties include the prosecution of criminal offences.
Please contact us by e-mail. Send E-Mail Office in charge of the matter:
Bundeskriminalamt Wiesbaden
Telephone number: +49 611 55 - 18444
You can also contact any other police office to provide information.
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Post by PeterMac on 26.10.20 13:14

Not much hope is there

"On 03/05/2007, then 3-year-old Madeleine (Maddie) Beth McCANN disappeared without a trace from a hotel complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

No she didn't, and no it wasn't
NEXT !


But then a little further down they say this
" there is reason to assume that there are other persons, . . .  who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime 
and maybe also of the place where the body was left. "


Ah, ha! Getting closer.  
There are probably at least 8 people who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime, some more than others,
and possibly 2 who know of the place where the body was left.   That may only be 1 of course.
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Post by Silentscope on 26.10.20 19:23

Now, in a desperate bid to generate fresh leads on the jailed sex offender, German officers working on the case want to travel back to the Algarve.
A source in Portugal who is close to the investigation said: “German officers believe there are areas of the investigation into [Christian B] and his time in Portugal which would benefit from having boots on the ground. 
“Most specifically there are unanswered questions about [Christian B's] movements in the days and weeks after [Madeleine] vanished. 
“German officers also think witnesses still living in Portugal could hold vital clues. 

"They’d be devastated to close the case on this investigation without going over to the Algarve and turning over every stone they can.”
Sources close to the case also believe the desire from German cops to visit Praia Da Luz, where Madeleine disappeared from in 2007, is linked to a “catastrophic” breakdown in relations between German and Portuguese officers.
As the Sun Online has previously reported, Algarve-based detectives have always believed the probe into Christian B was a waste of time. 
They claim to have ruled him out within weeks of Madeleine's disappearance. 

Our source added: “It is no secret the German and Portuguese teams have a different view on this case and on whether [Christian B] is involved. 
"This is part of the reason why German detectives would love to return.”
Despite the high profile nature of the probe into Christian B the case has hit a brick wall in recent weeks. 
And German police have only been in the Algarve a couple of times since the probe into Christian B was announced back over the Summer. 
It is likely the detectives will need to present strong evidence of leads to follow up in order to be given permission to fly in and investigate the case.


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Post by sharonl on 26.10.20 20:14

thinking So they want to turn over every stone they can - where have we heard that before? big grin

Why do I get a feeling that we will soon be informed that this case will end because the Portuguese would not co-operate and allow the Germans to follow up vital leads?

The Germans may do well to remember that this is a Portuguese investigation of a crime that took place on Portuguese soil. They need to stop interfering.

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