Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be

Some comments from the above Times article..

There is no movement on this since June really, and very distressing for all concerned. If indeed there is no forensic evidence linking this piece of trash to Madeleine, meaning no DNA, trace evidence, or fingerprints, from the disclosures so far it looks like tI might be photographic evidence and/or texts or emails?
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Each time I see an article on this tragic case, I think of my own daughter.... what the parents must go through every hour every day I cannot imagine. Truly heart breaking.

What possesses anyone to leave a negative or dumb comment is beyond me. Cruel and shameful.
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I don’t suppose we’ll ever really know what happened on that evening but I hope if they’ve got some proof she’s dead that they can bring him to justice swiftly for the sake of her family.
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I do hope the McCanns have been kept up-to-date and know to expect such blatant headlines. I found it shocking and I'm just a reader.
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Christian Brückner sends me off towards capital punishment
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The McCann’s continue to live a nightmare. I truly hope they get closure. It would be wonderful to find Mandeline but .... there are so many things caught up on that but. My heart goes out to them all.
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Yet another non story. The German prosecutors are fantasists and egomaniacs. They keep making grandiose claims yet fail to add any meat to the bones. There are many interested parties who are happy to go along or buy into the Madeleine is dead at the hands of this German guy as it fits the abduction theory.
Mark my words, nothing will come of this.
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Since their child when missing, the McCanns have been subject to a deluge of criticism.

However, if it was my daughter then I would act exactly as they have done.
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Abduction isn't a theory. It is a fact, attested to by the Portuguese prosecutors who oversaw the shelved enquiry, confirmed by PJ Inspector Joao Carlos who confirms in his final report that Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant at the time of Kate's alert and taken as the basis of the Operation Grange remit, which states that Madeleine was taken from her bed in a criminal act by a stranger.
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Obviously Brückner will deny it he is only facing 7 years in prison otherwise. I thought from the very outset that someone working at the restaurant the McCanns went to each evening, must have been involved. The link never seems to have been fully investigated. The McCanns have shown real dignity throughout. All respect to them.
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I sincerely hope that closure for the McCann family will be coming soon.
Their suffering throughout this ordeal must have been unimaginable.
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I do not understand why comments are open on this article
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If you read between the lines, it gives an indication of what many may think as evidence.

There are no words of comfort for any parent who has been told this kind of news. It is an extremely sad outcome to a case that has captured many of us.
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The German prosecutor has, on his own admission, had proof since June that Madeleine had been murdered. A public appeal in June asked for evidence against Brückner was then issued despite the prime suspect being Brückner. Yet 3 months later no prosecution has been forthcoming. What sort of policing is this? Why make such comments then do nothing? Everything from start to the current situation regarding Madeleine has been appalling. I doubt the truth will never be revealed.
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Absence of any plausible alternative explanation of Madeleine's disappearance is, in its own right, potent evidence of abduction.

Would this have anything to do with the Fact that any Charges against a Suspect MUST be brought within three Months?

I do not know if this would Apply to Capital crimes.


(1) 1 An act that can only be prosecuted upon application will not be prosecuted if the person entitled to file the application fails to submit the application within a period of three months. 2 If the end of the period falls on a Sunday, a public holiday or a Saturday, the period ends at the end of the next working day.
(2) 1 The period begins at the end of the day on which the person entitled becomes aware of the act and the person of the perpetrator. 2 For the application of the legal representative and the legal guardian, it depends on their knowledge.
(3) If several are entitled to apply or if several are involved in the act, the deadline runs separately for and against each.
(4) If the right to apply has passed to relatives due to the death of the injured person, the period ends at the earliest three months and at the latest six months after the death of the injured person.
(5) The time limit is suspended if the settlement authority receives an application to carry out an attempt at atonement in accordance with Section 380 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, until the certificate in accordance with Section 380 (1) sentence 3 of the Code of Criminal Procedure is issued.

The press continues to use the word "abduction" and the public who can't think for themselves will repeat it like parrots.

You've gotta ask yourself - why do the McCanns insist on categorizing Madeleine's disappearance as an "abduction"?

If Kate McCann's version of events is correct, she doesn't know what happened to her daughter. She merely noticed Madeleine missing and the window and shutters open. Why jump to the definitive conclusion that Madeleine had been abducted by a stranger/pedophile? And why reinforce that idea and not consider any other possibilities?

It makes no sense for a mother who has no idea what happened to her missing child to ram down the authorities' throats that her child was the victim of an abduction, and that it could not have been anything other than an abduction.

Silentscope wrote:

I look forward to reading next Week how Christian B...
1. Cleaned the Floor.
2. The Wall and the Sofa.
3. Washed the Curtains.
4. Drove the Hire car.
5. Failed to delete his Phone records and Photos.

Among other things.

Post #136 refers. I have put a Cushion on the floor next to my Chair. Just in case...

Verdi wrote:Material evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead, say German prosecutors

David Crossland, Berlin
Tuesday September 22 2020, 12.00pm BST, The Times

German prosecutors have said that there is material evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead.

Well, of course there is - the evidence has been provided by Eddie and Keela 13 years ago. The rest of this gossip ist not even worth mentioning anymore as it just apes the same old "facts" (which aren't any as they've been proven wrong eons ago) for the 1000th time.

Meanwhile back in tabloid land - Nick's taking the pisa again..

MADDIE HUNT Madeleine McCann witness so crucial cops sealed off entire hotel and swept the building for bugs while interviewing him

Nick Pisa

22 Sep 2020, 17:19Updated: 22 Sep 2020, 17:19

A KEY witness in the hunt for missing Madeleine McCann was considered so important Scotland Yard sealed off an entire hotel for his statement and swept the building for bugs.

German drifter Helge Busching, 50, who The Sun revealed earlier this month, was the catalyst to the recent dramatic developments in the case when he tipped off cops three years ago with vital information.

He told them convicted paedophile Christian B, who has been identified by German cops as the man responsible for Madeleine's abduction, confessed to him he had taken her in 2008.

But Busching, who we found in Corsica, did not tell police until 2017 when he was under arrest in Greece for people smuggling.

Cops in Athens initially questioned him and they thought the information so credible they tipped off the Met's Operation Grange team who have been leading the hunt for Madeleine.
'SWEPT THE PLACE FOR BUGS'

Officers flew to Athens where Busching was quizzed in a hotel in the city centre but only after sophisticated bugging equipment had been brought in to check for listening devices.

Manfred Seyferth, an ex partner in crime with Christian B and Busching, described how he had been left stunned when he heard about it.

Seyferth, who was sharing a flat in Athens with Busching, said: ''I knew he had told British police Christian B was involved and they flew to Athens when Busching and I were together in Greece.

''He told me he had something very important to tell Scotland Yard and they flew out to Athens and took over the floor of a hotel in the centre.

''Busching later told me they had swept the place for bugs and microphones because what he had to say about Madeleine and Christian B was very important.

''But he never actually told me what it was that he told Scotland Yard about Christian B and Madeleine, it must have been important because he came back a few days later with lots of money and he was hoppa (drunk) hoppa (drunk).''

According to statements seen by The Sun, Busching was asked by a Scotland Yard detective named as Mark, to look closely at Google satellite images of the Algarve.

Madeleine, three, was taken from the Portuguese coastal region in 2007 while on a family holiday with parents Kate and Gerry and her twin siblings.

Busching is said to have told cops that Christian B confessed to him at a hippy festival in Orgiva, Spain, that he had been involved in her abduction.

Earlier this month The Sun found him in Corsica where he said of Christian B:''Just one word. Guilty.''

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12739051/madeleine-mccann-witness-crucial-cops-sealed-off-entire-hotel-swept-building-bugs/

A KEY witness in the hunt for missing Madeleine McCann was considered so important Scotland Yard sealed off an entire hotel for his statement and swept the building for bugs.

Might I suggest it would be easier to take him down the local cop shop or spray the hotel with insecticide?

Cops in Athens initially questioned him and they thought the information so credible they tipped off the Met's Operation Grange team who have been leading the hunt for Madeleine.

No they haven't.

''He told me he had something very important to tell Scotland Yard and they flew out to Athens and took over the floor of a hotel in the centre.

'Busching later told me they had swept the place for bugs and microphones because what he had to say about Madeleine and Christian B was very important.

'But he never actually told me what it was that he told Scotland Yard about Christian B and Madeleine, it must have been important because he came back a few days later with lots of money and he was hoppa (drunk) hoppa (drunk).''

According to statements seen by The Sun, Busching was asked by a Scotland Yard detective named as Mark, to look closely at Google satellite images of the Algarve.

Hope that's not Mark Williams-Thomas posing as a police officer again.

Verdi wrote:

According to statements seen by The Sun, Busching was asked by a Scotland Yard detective named as Mark, to look closely at Google satellite images of the Algarve.

Hope that's not Mark Williams-Thomas posing as a police officer again.

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How many crucial key witnesses have we had by now? And what did they really have to say? They all just said CB might have done it, they even may be sure about it, no one seems to know anything though. Reminds me of an old scientists' saying: Who knows nothing must believe everything. Which pretty much sums up all those "revelations" about CB and Madeleine in the past three months.

Maybe there is a new kid on the block to add to the never ending list of witnesses, or persons of interest - markman.

To say nothing of all the other crucial witnesses that have come to light (read bought by third party) over the past 13+ years, Germanman and his reported connections notwithstanding.

For the most part, people just go along with what they read - it's so much easier than taking the time to think for yourself.  Plus, I seriously believe many people are only interested in a bit of salacious gossip they can play with.

Then comes the McCann supporter, in it's many guises, that troll cyberspace 24 hours a day seven days a week, looking for the latest commentary to favour or demolish - depending on the slant, or more to the point, where the slant.  

Fora, blogs, news reports - it matters not. The muses must be there to defend the indefensible whatever the cost.

At times, it can be quite difficult to keep things on track here on CMOMM.  If only people would understand and recognize the importance of the case, it would make life so much simpler but no, it's just a joke or a big lark for some.

Still here we are, we weather the storms as they come and go with the one aim always at the fore .... justice in the name of Madeleine McCann.

Onwards and upwards!

Verdi wrote:For the most part, people just go along with what they read - it's so much easier than taking the time to think for yourself.  Plus, I seriously believe many people are only interested in a bit of salacious gossip they can play with.

Yeah, many people prefer to be glued to their screens and listen to soundbites, instead of observing and thinking. Ain't nothing I can do about it.

Anyway, you can put out stories and gossip all you want but you cannot argue against the evidence.

The evidence is there for anyone disciplined enough to see.

PeterMac wrote:TIMES
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/material-evidence-that-madeleine-mccann-is-dead-say-german-prosecutors-3sndk8330

Overnight they seem to have stopped purging comments, and some more sceptics have commented. I have replied, but expect to be purged again very soon.

Well done in getting a critical comment questioning the abduction myth into the Murdoch owned UK Times.  They usually get censored (freedom of speech in the UK anyone?).

Cammerigal wrote:

Well done in getting a critical comment questioning the abduction myth into the Murdoch owned UK Times.  They usually get censored (freedom of speech in the UK anyone?).

Not just in the UK - on the German Allmystery forum there is a huge, +600-page thread about Madeleine where any post gets deleted that suspects the parents, they even state that above your comment when you want to add a new comment there. When the news about CB was first revealed I registered there and wasn't aware of this and posted my first comment where I just asked some critical questions about the new "suspect", including the question of how this really exonerates the parents. Guess what happened? Within minutes my post was deleted with the reason given that the parents are not to be suspected. So you may not suspect the two actual suspects. Who says the truth needs a fast horse.

@PeterMac

If there is a “D Notice” or Superinjunction actually in place, why does the Times seem to be Immune from it?

Would this not Apply to all News outlets?

It is only Libel if it is NOT true.

Hold fast.

Then in the Case you describe, the Defendant (Accusor) is Guilty/ wrong until he proves himself Innocent / correct? 

I see your point. It differs only slightly in Germany because bearing False Witness and Setting someone up for doing a Crime they did not do - has to be done on purpose. With an intent. (As far as I know)
It can not be Fulfilled by Acting in the true belief it was the Suspect at the time, who is later cleared.

If Herr Fülscher wants to prove his Client has been Falsely Accused - then I hope the MSM and certain Witnesses can prove without reasonable doubt that Christian B “DID IT”.

Or he will surely try his best to make them pay.

That is his Job.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner using British lawyers for defence case

EXCLUSIVE: It remains unclear who is paying the fees to retain 43-year-old Christian Brueckner's team of British lawyers as he has no source of income

ByAndy Lines

   21:58, 23 SEP 2020

The prime suspect in the ­Madeleine McCann case has employed a team of British ­lawyers to help his case, it has been revealed.

Christian Brueckner, 43, has instructed a UK legal firm to assist him as he tries to prove his innocence.

His German lawyer ­Friedrich Fuelscher said: “I can confirm we are using UK lawyers.”

But it remains unclear who is paying the lawyers’ fees.

Penniless Brueckner is currently doing time in a German jail and has no source of income.

When asked who was funding Brueckner’s representation, Mr Fuelscher replied: “I’m afraid I cannot answer that question.”

However, he said one of the lawyers’ roles was “looking at the media coverage surrounding him”.

It is possible the fees will be funded under the German legal aid system, which would mean the German taxpayers would be footing the bill.

Fuelscher has gone on record complaining about the “lack of ­objectivity” in some of the press reporting in Germany and the UK.

It is understood the legal firm combs all British news websites and reads every national newspaper each day to check coverage.

Brueckner was named earlier this year as the chief suspect in ­Madeleine’s disappearance.

Police said the drifter’s mobile phone records placed him in the Portuguese seaside resort of Praia da Luz on the night she went missing in 2007. She was nearly four years old at the time.

Brueckner has previously- been convicted of a string of charges including possession of child sex images and the rape of a pensioner

He is currently serving a 21-month sentence in Kiel, northern Germany, on drug dealing charges.

But he claims he had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-22732762

 

It has never ceased to be a Wonder to me how the Press are allowed to behave in England. No one should defame the chosen few - but they are Free to defame everyone else?

No Wonder Harry and Meghan left.

I am still waiting to Fall out of my Stool!

How long has this non-story been running now?

If the McCanns wanted to put Charges in for the Murder of their Daughter at the hands of Christian B, they have not done it within the Three month “Antragsfrist” or Deadline.

The Story broke 4 June 20

Still waiting to fall off of my Stool....

Mainline's links above relate to Brueckner's failed appeal judgement issued this morning.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner loses bid for prison release


·       BY DAVE BURKE
·       08:54, 24 SEP 2020UPDATED 09:33, 24 SEP 2020

Lawyers for prime suspect Christian Brueckner had argued that protocols in the use of the European Arrest Warrant had been reached, but today judges threw his appeal out
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has today lost his bid to be freed from prison in Germany.
Lawyers for the 43-year-old had argued that European Arrest Warrant protocols had been breached, meaning he qualified for release.
But this morning that claim was rejected by European Court of Justice judges, who ordered that he remains behind bars.
He was arrested in 2018 in Italy, and is currently serving a 21 month sentence for drug dealing. 
In December he was convicted of raping a 72-year-old woman in Portugal and sentenced to seven years in prison - a conviction is appealing against.
Brueckner, who denies having anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance, has served two thirds of his sentence.
Brueckner was named earlier this year as the chief suspect in ­Madeleine’s disappearance.

According to court documents, in which Brueckner is referred to as XC, he was extradited from Portugal for sexually abusing a minor in June 2017, then travelled to the Netherlands and Italy whilst still on probation after his release.
He was extradited to Germany from Italy in October 2018 on a warrant for drug trafficking before being tried and convicted of rape and extortion in December last year.
The ECJ case centred on whether the German authorities needed Portugal's consent to bring rape proceedings because of the 2017 extradition.
Police said the drifter’s mobile phone records placed him in the Portuguese seaside resort of Praia da Luz on the night she went missing in 2007. She was nearly four years old at the time.
German chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has said there is “material evidence” she is dead.
Brueckner has previously- been convicted of a string of charges including possession of child sex images and the rape of a pensioner.


New Madeleine McCann prime suspect
Madeleine's parents are refusing to believe their daughter is dead, despite prosecutors saying she "cannot be alive".
Kate and Gerry will not give up hope until a body is found, a family friend said.
Investigators in Germany believe Madeleine was murdered, with convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner identified as the key suspect.


And last week chief investigator Hans Christian Wolters said "everything points to her being dead."
It has left the McCanns in a "state of limbo", but they remain hopeful that their daughter, who was three when she vanished in May 2007, will turn out to be alive. 
A pal told The Sun: "Until a body is found and it is proved to be Madeleine’s, Kate and Gerry are not giving up hope.
"These latest ‘she’s dead but there's no body’ theories have been repeated over the past three-and-a-half months but in all this time there appears to be no significant new development. 

"It leaves Kate and Gerry on tenterhooks and in a state of limbo not knowing if there will be a breakthrough or if German officers sadly may have got wrong. It’s been another desperately difficult time for them."
The Met Police are still treating Madeleine's disappearance as a missing person inquiry.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-22733952.amp

BlueBag wrote:How long has this non-story been running now?

It's running close to four months now I believe, day in day out!

Oh no strike that last bit - we're not allowed out are we.