Re: The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

by MRNOODLES 16.06.20 21:15

Hi all popped in just to throw something out.

Is it possible CB caught the McCanns in whatever exactly happened. Through shear fluke, perhaps prowling on the rob or delivering a bit of 'charlie' to the regulars and visitors.

Then after the panic and chat. CB says he'll help them out for 'X' amount. Gerry agrees and to cover for any investigation into where a large amount of money went. He claims he lost his wallet with his cards in. eg £5k drawn off a credit card could be blamed on a pick pocket.

My opinion. Ignore if it's sliding the thread.

by gilly 16.06.20 21:36

Maybe they're just lining CB up to 'confess' then 'suicide' then that supposedly clears the G & K end of the money for them but also no more questions and pointing at them. Would tie it up for them

by MTSTAR 16.06.20 21:44

MRNOODLES wrote:Hi all popped in just to throw something out.

Is it possible CB caught the McCanns in whatever exactly happened. Through shear fluke, perhaps prowling on the rob or delivering a bit of 'charlie' to the regulars and visitors.

Then after the panic and chat. CB says he'll help them out for 'X' amount. Gerry agrees and to cover for any investigation into where a large amount of money went. He claims he lost his wallet with his cards in. eg £5k drawn off a credit card could be blamed on a pick pocket.

My opinion. Ignore if it's sliding the thread.

Would he settle for £5K do you think? I suppose if he was desperate he would. Any idea if there were any large payments out of the McCanns bank account over the years? CB doesn’t seem to be above a bit of ongoing blackmail.

by cookiemuncher 16.06.20 21:45

MRNOODLES wrote:Hi all popped in just to throw something out.

Is it possible CB caught the McCanns in whatever exactly happened. Through shear fluke, perhaps prowling on the rob or delivering a bit of 'charlie' to the regulars and visitors.

Then after the panic and chat. CB says he'll help them out for 'X' amount. Gerry agrees and to cover for any investigation into where a large amount of money went. He claims he lost his wallet with his cards in. eg £5k drawn off a credit card could be blamed on a pick pocket.

My opinion. Ignore if it's sliding the thread.

"He claims he lost his wallet".

Maybe it was a similar excuse as P e t e Tow n s en d, I won't say any more.

by cookiemuncher 16.06.20 22:03

gilly wrote:Maybe they're just lining CB up to 'confess' then 'suicide' then that supposedly clears the G & K end of the money for them but also no more questions and pointing at them. Would tie it up for them

Not quite end of the money as if the McCanns are shown as "innocent" then it would leave them wide open to take Goncalo Amaral through the courts and crucify him knowing that he was "right" all along regarding Madeleine's disappearance but they'd have been let off the hook by the corrupt UK, Portuguese establishment (I won't say their police) and the Germans. They already tried it and many of us raised £50,000 to cover his court costs, but he's probably already broke so I doubt they'll get much out of him now but I suspect they'll raise £millions from the world wide press for their interviews as how they've been so badly treated and hard done by, forgetting all about Madeleine and how hard done by she was by them.

Which leads me on to what happened the all of Goncalo Amaral's books the McCanns had withdrawn and their lawyer put into a vault or somewhere, I suspect they've been burned as they didn't conform to their take on Madeleine's "disappearance".

by gilly 16.06.20 22:12

cookiemuncher wrote:
gilly wrote:Maybe they're just lining CB up to 'confess' then 'suicide' then that supposedly clears the G & K end of the money for them but also no more questions and pointing at them. Would tie it up for them
Not quite end of the money as if the McCanns are shown as "innocent" then it would leave them wide open to take Goncalo Amaral through the courts and crucify him knowing that he was "right" all along regarding Madeleine's disappearance but they'd have been let off the hook by the corrupt UK, Portuguese establishment (I won't say their police) and the Germans. They already tried it and many of us raised £50,000 to cover his court costs, but he's probably already broke so I doubt they'll get much out of him now but I suspect they'll raise £millions from the world wide press for their interviews as how they've been so badly treated and hard done by, forgetting all about Madeleine and how hard done by she was by them.

Which leads me on to what happened the all of Goncalo Amaral's books the McCanns had withdrawn and their lawyer put into a vault or somewhere, I suspect they've been burned as they didn't conform to their take on Madeleine's "disappearance".

Yes, you're absolutely right with taking money from another source. It's always been about poor them too, not about poor Madeleine

by gilly 16.06.20 22:14

Yes, you're absolutely right with taking money from another source. It's always been about poor them too, not about poor Madeleine

Sorry - that reply didn't go in the right place :unamused:

by cookiemuncher 16.06.20 22:20

gilly wrote:Yes, you're absolutely right with taking money from another source. It's always been about poor them too, not about poor Madeleine

Sorry - that reply didn't go in the right place :unamused:

You have to put your comment in the white area below the yellow box. I made that mistake also with my first post. We live and learn. big grin

by Trotters 16.06.20 22:52

cookiemuncher wrote:
sharonl wrote:According to Clarence, the McCanns were not wearing their watches and did not have their mobiles with them, so they would have been in the apartment. Also in the apartment would have been the cameras and maybe the syringes that were later found.

So within 3-4 minutes, this drug dealing burglar, breaks into the apartment, ignores all the valuables and rushes back out again having nicked nothing else but a corpse.
There were also 5 passports in the cabinet next to the McCanns' bed. They would have been worth a fortune on the black market (oops, am I allowed to say b l a ck ? )

There was the Cannon(?) camera sitting on the dining room table that any normal burglar would have scooped up as he/she walked passed it and put in their pocket and I'm sure they had many pockets in their clothes if they were professional burglars.

All reasonable. But if I'd been doing a bit of breaking & entering and stumbled upon a dead kid, I'm not so sure my next thought would be about what I could take. But I suppose anyone used to being on the rob wouldn't have adrenalin leaking out of their ears like I would have and are maybe thinking with a calmer head.

So if he DID walk into 5A that evening, remind me of where MM would have been if she'd been clattered by a fall off the couch and if it's likely Christian could have seen her without having to do any kind of furniture removal.

by cookiemuncher 16.06.20 23:12

Trotters wrote:
cookiemuncher wrote:
sharonl wrote:According to Clarence, the McCanns were not wearing their watches and did not have their mobiles with them, so they would have been in the apartment. Also in the apartment would have been the cameras and maybe the syringes that were later found.

So within 3-4 minutes, this drug dealing burglar, breaks into the apartment, ignores all the valuables and rushes back out again having nicked nothing else but a corpse.
There were also 5 passports in the cabinet next to the McCanns' bed. They would have been worth a fortune on the black market (oops, am I allowed to say b l a ck ? )

There was the Cannon(?) camera sitting on the dining room table that any normal burglar would have scooped up as he/she walked passed it and put in their pocket and I'm sure they had many pockets in their clothes if they were professional burglars.

All reasonable. But if I'd been doing a bit of breaking & entering and stumbled upon a dead kid, I'm not so sure my next thought would be about what I could take. But I suppose anyone used to being on the rob wouldn't have adrenalin leaking out of their ears like I would have and are maybe thinking with a calmer head.

So if he DID walk into 5A that evening, remind me of where MM would have been if she'd been clattered by a fall off the couch and if it's likely Christian could have seen her without having to do any kind of furniture removal.

If he'd walked through the sliding patio doors from the balcony (up the top of the steps from the garden and main road area) he would have had to pass the dining table to walk to the children's bedroom. I can't find a decent diagram on the websites probably because they've all be deleted but I suspect Sharoni or Verdi have copies in their extensive files.

I found this article from the Mirror showing what a shambles the apartment was and not the 5 star luxury one the BBC was trying to portray in their Crimewatch programme -

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It also shows the bed that Madeleine was sleeping in against the wall and the door opens to the other side, so when it opens it doesn't obliterate the view of her bed when anyone who walked into the room said.

Nobody said that Christian had to do any furniture removal, it was you who mentioned he'd found her behind the sofa. I said that perhaps he'd found her dying elsewhere and it was Gerry McCann who put her behind the sofa to rescusitate her (please don't make me keep repeating that word as I can't spell it!! big grin

without looking it up.
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by cookiemuncher 16.06.20 23:16

Trotters wrote:
cookiemuncher wrote:
sharonl wrote:According to Clarence, the McCanns were not wearing their watches and did not have their mobiles with them, so they would have been in the apartment. Also in the apartment would have been the cameras and maybe the syringes that were later found.

So within 3-4 minutes, this drug dealing burglar, breaks into the apartment, ignores all the valuables and rushes back out again having nicked nothing else but a corpse.
There were also 5 passports in the cabinet next to the McCanns' bed. They would have been worth a fortune on the black market (oops, am I allowed to say b l a ck ? )

There was the Cannon(?) camera sitting on the dining room table that any normal burglar would have scooped up as he/she walked passed it and put in their pocket and I'm sure they had many pockets in their clothes if they were professional burglars.

All reasonable. But if I'd been doing a bit of breaking & entering and stumbled upon a dead kid, I'm not so sure my next thought would be about what I could take. But I suppose anyone used to being on the rob wouldn't have adrenalin leaking out of their ears like I would have and are maybe thinking with a calmer head.

So if he DID walk into 5A that evening, remind me of where MM would have been if she'd been clattered by a fall off the couch and if it's likely Christian could have seen her without having to do any kind of furniture removal.

If he'd walked through the sliding patio doors from the balcony (up the top of the steps from the garden and main road area) he would have had to pass the dining table to walk to the children's bedroom. I can't find a decent diagram on the websites probably because they've all be deleted but I suspect Sharoni or Verdi have copies in their extensive files.

I found this article from the Mirror showing what a shambles the apartment was and not the 5 star luxury one the BBC was trying to portray in their Crimewatch programme -

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It also shows the bed that Madeleine was sleeping in against the wall and the door opens to the other side, so when it opens it doesn't obliterate the view of her bed when anyone who walked into the room said.

Nobody said that Christian had to do any furniture removal, it was you who mentioned he'd found her behind the sofa. I said that perhaps he'd found her dying elsewhere and it was Gerry McCann who put her behind the sofa to rescusitate her (please don't make me keep repeating that word as I can't spell it!! big grin

without looking it up.
)

by **sharonl** 16.06.20 23:34

Isn't it highly unlikely that Bruckner was ever in the apartment at all? No sign of a break in, no trace of an intruder, no one seen or heard him, Gerry, Jane & Jez were out on the street. And, he only had 3-4 minutes.

by Guest 16.06.20 23:47

Yes, it does imho, and I wish it were a ruse to uncover somebody or something, but that's probably a forlorn hope.

by cookiemuncher 16.06.20 23:49

sharonl wrote:Isn't it highly unlikely that Bruckner was ever in the apartment at all? No sign of a break in, no trace of an intruder, no one seen or heard him, Gerry, Jane & Jez were out on the street. And, he only had 3-4 minutes.

That's very true Sharoni, but why are the German authorities now getting involved. Are they trying to find a way of getting the McCanns off the hook, it's all quite mind boggling. It doesn't matter what evidence you give to people as you say Gerry, Jane & Jez were on the street, they still want to deny it. One of them or all of them are lying.

We, well many of us, know who is to blame for Madeleine's demise, but it's like trying to walk through treacle, or to get those people who still deny that Brexit never happened to see reality.

by Silverspeed 17.06.20 0:38

Madeleine McCann suspect 'denies involvement' in disappearance

By Izzy Lyons
June 17, 2020 —
Braunschweig: The Madeleine McCann suspect has denied involvement in her disappearance in his first public comment on the case.
The statement came as it emerged he could walk free from prison in a month if the European Court of Justice (ECJ) overturns his conviction for raping an American pensioner.

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British girl Madeleine McCann before she went missing from a Portuguese holiday complex in 2007.

Christian Brueckner emerged as a prime suspect two weeks ago after German prosecutors said they had launched a murder investigation and could place him in Praia de Luz, Portugal, on the day Madeleine disappeared.
Lawyers defending Brueckner on Tuesday said their client "denies any involvement" in the case.

Brueckner's first comment came as Madeleine's parents denied they had received a letter from German prosecutors stating their daughter was dead.
Brueckner, who is in prison for a separate drugs offence and is eligible for parole, was convicted last year of raping a 72-year-old woman in Praia de Luz in 2005 and jailed for seven years.

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This undated handout image supplied by the Carabinieri Milano shows a police mug shot of Christian Brueckner, a suspect in the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine McCann.Credit:Getty Images Europe

But his conviction is the subject of an ECJ appeal due to an administrative error by German police after they extradited him on the wrong charge. The court's decision is expected on July 16.
It could result in the ECJ ordering a retrial or quashing the conviction, meaning Brueckner would be eligible for immediate release. The authorities fear it would enable him to flee abroad to a country that does not have an extradition agreement with Germany.

On Tuesday, further details emerged in the German media about his past. According to an investigation by Der Spiegel, police recovered "countless children's items, most of them small swimsuits" when they searched Brueckner's camper van in May 2016.
The search was in connection with the disappearance of five-year-old Inga Gehricke, known in the German media as "the German Maddie". The police last week confirmed the 43-year-old had been ruled out as a suspect.

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Missing 5 year-old girl Inga Gehricke.Credit:AP

Officers viewed more than 8000 photos and videos on six USB sticks and two memory cards showing the abuse of young children and around 100 of the files were pictures of Brueckner partly naked or in black stockings performing a sex act, the newspaper reported.
The details came as police in Frankfurt confirmed they had reopened the murder case of another German child.

Tristan Brubach was killed in 1998 and witnesses produced an e-fit of the suspect, which bears a striking similarity to Brueckner. However, Noah Kruger, the chief prosecutor, said there was so far no evidence linking him to the case.

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On Tuesday, a row erupted after a German prosecutor said he had written to the McCanns to apologise for not being more transparent about the investigation. He added: "We have really considered the fact that it is going to be very hard for the family when we tell them that we assume Madeleine is dead. But we can't say why she is dead."
Kate and Gerry McCann issued a statement, saying: "The widely reported news that we have received a letter... that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE."
The Daily Telegraph understands a letter was sent apologising for not sharing information, but it did not explicitly say their daughter was dead.

Telegraph, London

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by **sharonl** 17.06.20 0:40

cookiemuncher wrote:
sharonl wrote:Isn't it highly unlikely that Bruckner was ever in the apartment at all? No sign of a break in, no trace of an intruder, no one seen or heard him, Gerry, Jane & Jez were out on the street. And, he only had 3-4 minutes.

That's very true Sharoni, but why are the German authorities now getting involved. Are they trying to find a way of getting the McCanns off the hook, it's all quite mind boggling. It doesn't matter what evidence you give to people as you say Gerry, Jane & Jez were on the street, they still want to deny it. One of them or all of them are lying.

We, well many of us, know who is to blame for Madeleine's demise, but it's like trying to walk through treacle, or to get those people who still deny that Brexit never happened to see reality.

It may sound daft, but those who are trying to stop Brexit are the same bunch who are covering up this case. Blair, Brown, Branson, May, from the politicians to the media to the celebs, they all seem to be the same.

This is what makes me wonder whether McCann case is a UK Government coverup or a EU coverup. If its the latter, Brexit may just be a problem for the McCanns. The German police have no evidence to even suspect Bruckner, not as an abductor anyway. But what if he was an accessory? They say that they have evidence of Madeleines' death, but that can only be the dogs evidence. Unless a body is found, what other evidence could they possibly have?

Add the Leveson inquiry witnesses to that, again they were all the same bunch.

I'm probably wrong but I cannot see any reason why the German police would want to assist in this coverup.

by Silverspeed 17.06.20 0:48

sharonl wrote:
cookiemuncher wrote:
sharonl wrote:Isn't it highly unlikely that Bruckner was ever in the apartment at all? No sign of a break in, no trace of an intruder, no one seen or heard him, Gerry, Jane & Jez were out on the street. And, he only had 3-4 minutes.

That's very true Sharoni, but why are the German authorities now getting involved. Are they trying to find a way of getting the McCanns off the hook, it's all quite mind boggling. It doesn't matter what evidence you give to people as you say Gerry, Jane & Jez were on the street, they still want to deny it. One of them or all of them are lying.

We, well many of us, know who is to blame for Madeleine's demise, but it's like trying to walk through treacle, or to get those people who still deny that Brexit never happened to see reality.

It may sound daft, but those who are trying to stop Brexit are the same bunch who are covering up this case. Blair, Brown, Branson, May, from the politicians to the media to the celebs, they all seem to be the same.

This is what makes me wonder whether McCann case is a UK Government coverup or a EU coverup. If its the latter, Brexit may just be a problem for the McCanns. The German police have no evidence to even suspect Bruckner, not as an abductor anyway. But what if he was an accessory? They say that they have evidence of Madeleines' death, but that can only be the dogs evidence. Unless a body is found, what other evidence could they possibly have?

Add the Leveson inquiry witnesses to that, again they were all the same bunch.

I'm probably wrong but I cannot see any reason why the German police would want to assist in this coverup.

Perhaps they have found something on his laptop sharonl.

by Trotters 17.06.20 1:09

The evidence, tied to this German fella could be:
(a) he did it
(b) he was an accessory to someone else doing it
(c) he has anecdotal evidence of it (overheard confession, friend of a friend, etc)
(d) he saw it
(e) he saw the evidence of it (ie, her body)
(f) he's somehow linked to the Mccann party in an unadvertised and unsavoury way.
(g) politcal issues
(h) an as-yet considered way.

(a) doesn't work for me based on the Mccann's endless bullshit and cover-up
(b) he's unlikely to admit to that unless he was a very distant accessory where he could maybe have used the info as a get out of jail fee card. So t hat doesn't work for me.
(c) again, a potential get out of jail card he could have used long ago.
(d) Refer to (c)
(e) possible
(f) possible but again a potential get out of jail free card but also a possible Stay In Jail longer card so why use it now?
(g) who knows?
(h) the most likely??

by Trotters 17.06.20 1:26

sharonl wrote:Isn't it highly unlikely that Bruckner was ever in the apartment at all? No sign of a break in, no trace of an intruder, no one seen or heard him, Gerry, Jane & Jez were out on the street. And, he only had 3-4 minutes.

Maybe there was no need to break in as a door was left unlocked? I dunno. If the McCann's are saying the doors were locked, that doesn't make it fact. But if he walked in to steal a few things and saw a dead kid, maybe he simply thought better of the scene and ran in a few seconds.

I'm 99% sure I'm trying to polish a turd of a theory but what part of this story isn't a complete turd?

by Trotters 17.06.20 1:33

cookiemuncher wrote:
Trotters wrote:
cookiemuncher wrote:
sharonl wrote:According to Clarence, the McCanns were not wearing their watches and did not have their mobiles with them, so they would have been in the apartment. Also in the apartment would have been the cameras and maybe the syringes that were later found.

So within 3-4 minutes, this drug dealing burglar, breaks into the apartment, ignores all the valuables and rushes back out again having nicked nothing else but a corpse.
There were also 5 passports in the cabinet next to the McCanns' bed. They would have been worth a fortune on the black market (oops, am I allowed to say b l a ck ? )

There was the Cannon(?) camera sitting on the dining room table that any normal burglar would have scooped up as he/she walked passed it and put in their pocket and I'm sure they had many pockets in their clothes if they were professional burglars.

All reasonable. But if I'd been doing a bit of breaking & entering and stumbled upon a dead kid, I'm not so sure my next thought would be about what I could take. But I suppose anyone used to being on the rob wouldn't have adrenalin leaking out of their ears like I would have and are maybe thinking with a calmer head.

So if he DID walk into 5A that evening, remind me of where MM would have been if she'd been clattered by a fall off the couch and if it's likely Christian could have seen her without having to do any kind of furniture removal.
If he'd walked through the sliding patio doors from the balcony (up the top of the steps from the garden and main road area) he would have had to pass the dining table to walk to the children's bedroom. I can't find a decent diagram on the websites probably because they've all be deleted but I suspect Sharoni or Verdi have copies in their extensive files.

I found this article from the Mirror showing what a shambles the apartment was and not the 5 star luxury one the BBC was trying to portray in their Crimewatch programme -

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It also shows the bed that Madeleine was sleeping in against the wall and the door opens to the other side, so when it opens it doesn't obliterate the view of her bed when anyone who walked into the room said.

Nobody said that Christian had to do any furniture removal, it was you who mentioned he'd found her behind the sofa. I said that perhaps he'd found her dying elsewhere and it was Gerry McCann who put her behind the sofa to rescusitate her (please don't make me keep repeating that word as I can't spell it!! without looking it up.
)

Excellent. Thank you for the link.

As for the sofa, I just seemed to recall from years ago a theory that someone woke her, she went to the sofa to look out the window, fell off the back of it and died. I'm just going off my (very sketchy) memory here so yes, maybe Gerry found her elsewhere and dragged her to another location to rescus...resuc...recsus...breath life into her. :)

by nglfi 17.06.20 7:41

sharonl wrote:Isn't it highly unlikely that Bruckner was ever in the apartment at all? No sign of a break in, no trace of an intruder, no one seen or heard him, Gerry, Jane & Jez were out on the street. And, he only had 3-4 minutes.

When we also remember that in the McCanns initial statements, weren't the doors locked? And then the story changed to being unlocked, when they realised that wouldn't make sense, as there was no evidence of a break in. Perhaps the doors were always well locked. CB never entered the apartment, his role, if anything, was never bigger than disposal man.

by Trotters 17.06.20 8:42

Disturbing to think that they could know how to reach a "disposal man".

by Doug D 17.06.20 9:41

Silverspeed:

‘Perhaps they have found something on his laptop sharonl.’

He was found guilty of sexual abuse and child porn in 2016, so they would have had it back then.

From the Sun relating to last nights German documentary:

‘Bjorn told the documentary how Christian B had been contacted in 2013 by police investigating Madeleine’s disappearance.

He said: “One day I came into the kiosk and he was a little bit distraught and said, ‘Hey, look what I’ve got here’ — and he showed me a subpoena for the Madeleine McCann case.

“You could see it churned him up a bit but he wasn’t panicking and he wasn’t saying ‘they are on my heels’.

“I think he said he had been there but that he had nothing to do with it and that was that.”’

Subpoena’d in 2013? Must have been at the request of OG at that time, if anyone, in which case he must have been cleared then for the second time, PJ & OG.

And you’ve just got to love this one:

‘He said: “Alcohol sometimes loosened his tongue. He said that he was in Portugal and he got in everywhere and stole cameras.

“In order not to be recognised where there were cameras, he took off his clothes and put on diving goggles so he wouldn’t be recognised.”

I don’t think we’ve come across ‘naked goggle man’ before!

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by Doug D 17.06.20 10:31

I’m not a legal eagle, but he was extradited from Milan (according to the earlier reports) in September 2018 to face drugs charges, tried and duly sentenced.

He is not challenging this extradition, so in 2018 is now back in Germany, in jail.

They then try him for the rape crime in Dec 2019, he is already in Germany, so no extradition is needed.

How can he challenge an extradition that never was?

The Mirror states that there are three possible outcomes, but miss out the scenario that the appeal could just be completely rejected as rubbish.

I know the law is often an ass, but still.

It comes as it emerged Brueckner could be released from prison on July 17 if the European Court of Justice overturns his conviction for raping a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz, the resort where Madeleine vanished in May 2007, at the age of three.

He is challenging the conviction because German police extradited him from Portugal (I think it was Milan) for a separate drugs conviction, but then put him on trial for rape.
His lawyers are arguing that this was illegal.
The ruling is set to be made on July 16 in a hearing that has been fast-tracked because of the unusual circumstances of the case.

There are three potential outcomes of any ECJ ruling.

The first is that the Portuguese could give retrospective permission for the extradition on the rape charge, so that the conviction stands and Brueckner stays inside for his seven years sentence.

The second is that the ECJ could order a retrial of the rape.

The third possibility is that the judge could rule there should not have been a trial, the conviction is overturned, Brueckner is released and he cannot be rearrested.

He could then potentially leave and go to a country that does not have an extradition agreement with Germany.

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The earlier reports said this:

After his release in August 2018, he later told a court, he was homeless, spending nights sleeping on park benches. He travelled to Milan – but within a month he was arrested and extradited to Germany yet again, this time to face trial for drugs offences.

In October 2018, he was convicted of dealing drugs and sent to prison in Kiel in Schleswig-Holstein, where he remains to this day. Prosecutors also had enough evidence to charge him with the horrific sex attack he had filmed 13 years earlier.

His rape trial took place last December.

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by **sandancer** 17.06.20 10:38

" In order not to be recognised where there were cameras , he took off his clothes and put on diving goggles so he wouldn't be recognised "

Seriously , who comes up with these ridiculous " quotes " ? spit coffee

Someone is taking the p !

It's becoming more like Monty Python every day , or a badly written Agatha Christie

" The mystery of the disappearing letter " .

What's still missing ? EVIDENCE !

by cookiemuncher 17.06.20 10:46

Trotters wrote:
cookiemuncher wrote:
Trotters wrote:
cookiemuncher wrote:
sharonl wrote:According to Clarence, the McCanns were not wearing their watches and did not have their mobiles with them, so they would have been in the apartment. Also in the apartment would have been the cameras and maybe the syringes that were later found.

So within 3-4 minutes, this drug dealing burglar, breaks into the apartment, ignores all the valuables and rushes back out again having nicked nothing else but a corpse.
There were also 5 passports in the cabinet next to the McCanns' bed. They would have been worth a fortune on the black market (oops, am I allowed to say b l a ck ? )

There was the Cannon(?) camera sitting on the dining room table that any normal burglar would have scooped up as he/she walked passed it and put in their pocket and I'm sure they had many pockets in their clothes if they were professional burglars.

All reasonable. But if I'd been doing a bit of breaking & entering and stumbled upon a dead kid, I'm not so sure my next thought would be about what I could take. But I suppose anyone used to being on the rob wouldn't have adrenalin leaking out of their ears like I would have and are maybe thinking with a calmer head.

So if he DID walk into 5A that evening, remind me of where MM would have been if she'd been clattered by a fall off the couch and if it's likely Christian could have seen her without having to do any kind of furniture removal.
If he'd walked through the sliding patio doors from the balcony (up the top of the steps from the garden and main road area) he would have had to pass the dining table to walk to the children's bedroom. I can't find a decent diagram on the websites probably because they've all be deleted but I suspect Sharoni or Verdi have copies in their extensive files.

I found this article from the Mirror showing what a shambles the apartment was and not the 5 star luxury one the BBC was trying to portray in their Crimewatch programme -

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It also shows the bed that Madeleine was sleeping in against the wall and the door opens to the other side, so when it opens it doesn't obliterate the view of her bed when anyone who walked into the room said.

Nobody said that Christian had to do any furniture removal, it was you who mentioned he'd found her behind the sofa. I said that perhaps he'd found her dying elsewhere and it was Gerry McCann who put her behind the sofa to rescusitate her (please don't make me keep repeating that word as I can't spell it!! without looking it up.
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Excellent. Thank you for the link.

As for the sofa, I just seemed to recall from years ago a theory that someone woke her, she went to the sofa to look out the window, fell off the back of it and died. I'm just going off my (very sketchy) memory here so yes, maybe Gerry found her elsewhere and dragged her to another location to rescus...resuc...recsus...breath life into her. :)

I've found some more photos of the apartment. They are very detailed diagrams and show the steps etc going up to the patio doors. Thanks to Pamalam for saving them on her website.

On the first one at the top on the left of the first page you will see that anyone who comes through the patio doors would have to walk through the lounge/dining area to get to the children's bedroom. If you click on the small photos of the apartment they enlarge.

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by Doug D 17.06.20 11:06

Bruntie keeps the crap flowing.

Not an ‘incomplete’ or ‘complex LCN DNA’ result.

NO match.

Is that so difficult to understand.

Keine Übereinstimmung.

Sem correspondência (Apologies, it's down to google)

Madeleine McCann: German police want to retest mystery saliva sample

Portuguese police are unlikely to send the sample due to legal restrictions and recent criticism by the German prosecutor.

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German investigators want to retest a mystery saliva sample found in the holiday apartment from where Madeleine McCann went missing.

Portuguese forensic tests on the sample apparently found no DNA match to the new suspect, German drifter Christian B.

But the German authorities believe their scientists should carry out their own tests because the sample - thought to have been found on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]'s bed - is potentially vital evidence and they hope they can match it to their suspect.

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by Guest 17.06.20 11:10

sandancer wrote:" In order not to be recognised where there were cameras , he took off his clothes and put on diving goggles so he wouldn't be recognised "

Reminds me of that glorious Adam West Batman scene where he walks into a disco club and the attendant asks...

Waiter: "Mr Batman, would you like your usual table by the dance floor?"

Batman: "No thank you, I'll stand over by the bar so as not to draw attention to myself.".

by Silverspeed 17.06.20 11:12

sandancer wrote:" In order not to be recognised where there were cameras , he took off his clothes and put on diving goggles so he wouldn't be recognised "

Seriously , who comes up with these ridiculous " quotes " ?

Someone is taking the p !

It's becoming more like Monty Python every day , or a badly written Agatha Christie

" The mystery of the disappearing letter " .

What's still missing ? EVIDENCE !

It's getting more ridiculous by the minute. What on earth are they going to come up with next.

The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.