Re: The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

by cookiemuncher 12.06.20 10:31

nglfi wrote:Re the hire car, I believe cadaver odour need not necessarily come directly from a corpse, even items of clothing that have been in contact with a corpse could provide a hit.

If I member correctly, the key fob to the car had cadaver odour on it as detected by the dog.

by Guest 12.06.20 12:45

nglfi wrote:Christian B's ex girlfriend mentions in this article that he liked driving around, either by himself or with her, and particularly enjoyed the drive to Sagres. I havent been on the forum in a while, but I have a memory of there being a trip to Sagres by the McCanns that was then covered up?

No there wasn't a trip to Sagres that was covered up. There was rumour of a McCann trip to Sagres on 30th April 2007 - it didn't happen. They did take the twins to Sagres beach one month later but there is no mystery about it..

Day 37 - 11th June 2007

Kate and I had a slightly busier day on the media front than expected. We did a short press interview for the Irish Sunday papers, mainly to thank the Irish for their fantastic level of support.

After this we headed down to Sagres which is the very most southwestern tip of Portugal. There is a very nice beach and we had lunch with the family.

Gerry McCann's blog

by Guest 12.06.20 12:52

Batman wrote:It's a disjointed thread now but I'll summarise my hypothesis:

1. accidental death in 5a (date inconclusive)
2. temp concealment (poss blue bag, church)
3. enlistment of Mr Fixit (trusted person close to T9 who shares a dark secret with them - cocaine and/or pedo).
4. ongoing concealment (villa, fridge)
5. permanent disposal (pig farmer/drug trafficker suspect from 08 and 14)

It's just a hypothesis based partly on facts, partly on quotes from newspapers, and pieced together using my noddle and life experience.

Sorry mate or matess, there is not even a hint of fact or newspaper quotes in your hypothesis. As for piecing it together using your life experience affraid

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by **Tony Bennett** 12.06.20 12:58

Batman wrote:

1. accidental death in 5a (date inconclusive)

Deliberate death at the hands of a person as yet unknown, probably on Sunday 29 April in circumstances that made it overwhelmingly necessary for the government and its security services to cover up what happened

2. temp concealment (poss blue bag, church)

Fridge/freezer in G5J

3. enlistment of Mr Fixit (trusted person close to T9 who shares a dark secret with them - cocaine and/or pedo).

First, Robert Murat. Helped by Nuno Lourenco who created the Wojchiech Krokowski patsy. Then: Government, MI5, other security services, Special Branch, ambassadors, lawyers, police, criminal profilers, numerous public relations staff, psychologists, Control Risks Group, Alex Woolfall (Head of Risk, Bell Pottinger), Resonate etc etc

4. ongoing concealment (villa, fridge)

Basement in or near Praia da Luz quickly found by Robert Murat on 1 or 2 May

5. permanent disposal (pig farmer/drug trafficker suspect from 08 and 14)

En route to Huelva

That's my theory.

Plus I don't believe that the German police are complicit in a Met Police/MI5/British establishment cover-up.

It's looking like they might well be - directed from the top (Angela Merkel)

Possible alternatives shown above in blue

by **Tony Bennett** 12.06.20 13:03

Verdi wrote:
Batman wrote:It's a disjointed thread now but I'll summarise my hypothesis:

1. accidental death in 5a (date inconclusive)
2. temp concealment (poss blue bag, church)
3. enlistment of Mr Fixit (trusted person close to T9 who shares a dark secret with them - cocaine and/or pedo).
4. ongoing concealment (villa, fridge)
5. permanent disposal (pig farmer/drug trafficker suspect from 08 and 14)

It's just a hypothesis based partly on facts, partly on quotes from newspapers, and pieced together using my noddle and life experience.

Sorry mate or mates, there is not even a hint of fact or newspaper quotes in your hypothesis. As for piecing it together using your life experience

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Maybe you have been a been a bit hasty there.

if you forget for a moment what [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has put in brackets, many on this forum would definitely agree with most of points 1 to 5.

When it comes to what Batman has put in brackets, admittedly his are only suggestions. But I think some of them may well prove to be true. Some are supported by Goncalo Amaral

by Guest 12.06.20 13:05

Batman wrote:I've been very clear that everything I've said is aligned with your beliefs and the beliefs of many others on this forum (and Sr Amaral) - that accidental death occurred in 5a and the parents concealed and disposed of tbe body.

Whoa there - be careful not to generalise.

If you think you know my 'beliefs' and other forum members, then clearly you are guilty of your own charge - not reading and understanding what is written on CMOMM.

Gonçalo Amaral's documented observations were based on the PJ investigation, under his leadership. The investigation was heavily influenced by political interference from the UK. In short, the Portuguese investigation was scuppered from the very beginning - if not before.

Read the files!

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If we all believed the same hypothesis the forum would have become redundant long ago, there would be nothing left to discuss would there.

by Guest 12.06.20 13:13

Now they are taking the myth..

SUSPECT BOMBSHELL Madeleine McCann news: Grandmother ‘never gave up hope’ as just a ‘speck’ of evidence could secure conviction

When did Madeleine McCann go missing?
How old would Madeleine McCann be now?
Who are Madeleine McCann's parents?
Who is suspect Christian B?

Alex Winter, News Reporter

12 Jun 2020, 12:29Updated: 12 Jun 2020, 12:29

MADELEINE McCann's grandmother died of a coronavirus-related illness last month - without ever finding out what happened to the missing girl.

It comes as cops continue their probe into what happened when Madeleine went missing in 2007.

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That's it, I'm done. No more mister nice guy.

by Guest 12.06.20 13:15

And some believe a scrap of blue material taken from her hotel room could be the key that unlocks the case.

Taken from the above ^^^ Sun article.

¿Qué?

by nglfi 12.06.20 13:22

Verdi wrote:
nglfi wrote:Christian B's ex girlfriend mentions in this article that he liked driving around, either by himself or with her, and particularly enjoyed the drive to Sagres. I havent been on the forum in a while, but I have a memory of there being a trip to Sagres by the McCanns that was then covered up?

No there wasn't a trip to Sagres that was covered up. There was rumour of a McCann trip to Sagres on 30th April 2007 - it didn't happen. They did take the twins to Sagres beach one month later but there is no mystery about it..

Day 37 - 11th June 2007

Kate and I had a slightly busier day on the media front than expected. We did a short press interview for the Irish Sunday papers, mainly to thank the Irish for their fantastic level of support.

After this we headed down to Sagres which is the very most southwestern tip of Portugal. There is a very nice beach and we had lunch with the family.

Gerry McCann's blog

Thank you Verdi. Sorry for any potential confusion.

by cookiemuncher 12.06.20 13:32

There's been no mention for a long time on the forum about Clement Freud's association with the McCanns. He has been mentioned in the press as being a child abuser, but I haven't looked into it for a long time.

I do remember he invited the McCanns to his villa not far away from PdL for Strawberry Daiquiris, which apparently were on the top of Kate McCanns list of yummy alcohol drinks.

He also dissed the findings of Eddie and Keela, why would he do that for two people who "lost" their child but apparently he didn't know them from Adam. KM said in her book that she felt some sort of relief when CF said to her "what are the dogs going to say in court, woof, woof".

Gosh, I have no words for someone who can dismiss the disappearance of a 3 year old child as some sort of joke and to appease her parents who he didn't know whether they were culpable of a crime or not.

by Batman 12.06.20 13:57

Tony Bennett wrote:
Batman wrote:

1. accidental death in 5a (date inconclusive)

Deliberate death at the hands of a person as yet unknown, probably on Sunday 29 April in circumstances that made it overwhelmingly necessary for the government and its security services to cover up what happened

2. temp concealment (poss blue bag, church)

Fridge/freezer in G5J

3. enlistment of Mr Fixit (trusted person close to T9 who shares a dark secret with them - cocaine and/or pedo).

First, Robert Murat. Helped by Nuno Lourenco who created the Wojchiech Krokowski patsy. Then: Government, MI5, other security services, Special Branch, ambassadors, lawyers, police, criminal profilers, numerous public relations staff, psychologists, Control Risks Group, Alex Woolfall (Head of Risk, Bell Pottinger), Resonate etc etc

4. ongoing concealment (villa, fridge)

Basement in or near Praia da Luz quickly found by Robert Murat on 1 or 2 May

5. permanent disposal (pig farmer/drug trafficker suspect from 08 and 14)

En route to Huelva

That's my theory.

Plus I don't believe that the German police are complicit in a Met Police/MI5/British establishment cover-up.

It's looking like they might well be - directed from the top (Angela Merkel)

Possible alternatives shown above in blue

Thank you so much Tony. That's an expansive and thoughtful response which suggests you actually read my posts.

Yes to all those options.

I believe that MI5 were involved to protect national interests, not necessarily to cover up the truth, unless of course it prejudiced national interests. Maybe it did but I wonder if it still does? Do we know if the D notices are still in force?

In any event, I dont believe the germans are complicit in a British cover up so maybe the Mets position is less important than where the germans are with the PJ.

Did the McCs have the opportunity to dispose of a body? Yes. My focus on Marquez came from the police interest in his involvement. Six hours of re-questioning in 2014 seems a long time to be asking questions plucked from thin air. They must have had something that raised suspicions. I connected him to CB as a drug 'trafficker' who would supply local dealers. And to CBs reported comment which may or may not be true about pigs eating human flesh. Either scenario is possible but my possibility makes sense of all the police activity across 3 countries now (if we ignore public statements about murderers, abductors and burglaries gone wrong))))).

by Guest 12.06.20 14:04

Cookiemuncher, the people who attached themselves to the McCanns are as grubby and suspect as the couple themselves. I think Freud wanted to find out what interests they shared, apart from strawberry daiquiris.

by Doug D 12.06.20 14:09

Verdi [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]:

‘And some believe a scrap of blue material taken from her hotel room could be the key that unlocks the case.’

Qué?

I posted the Sun article about the tiny bit of blue cloth and continuing advances in DNA testing @ [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Maybe that’s an avenue we should explore and actively encourage as it could open up the argument for further DNA testing à la Dr. Perlin.

by Batman 12.06.20 14:30

cookiemuncher wrote:
Batman wrote:
cookiemuncher wrote:
pauloalexandre wrote:
Batman wrote:Can I ask how you know what was said by the Met to the PJ or the Germans?
I was quoting the German prosecutor, from his press conference.

As for UK government agencies, it's been pretty much documented, in books such as "The Truth of the Lie", that they were highly involved in the case and their job, in my opinion, was to distract the PJ with false leads.
I can remember going back a long time ago that Martin Grimes, Eddie and Keela's handler, said that he was met by officers from MI5 when he arrived back at the airport in the UK. I can't remember the exact details but why would MI5 be involved unless there was something underhand going on and they wanted to get to him first to "read him the riot act a.k.a keep your mouth shut" before other people did.

It could have been mentioned in GA's book, but my memory is very foggy these days, old age!

All true. But the german prosecutor is part of the plan to catch the criminals and will say what he needs to say to get the job done.

And yes, MI5's involvement is supported by Amaral's book and the D notices. But that, in itself, only demonstrates that national interests were or are at stake. Nothing else.

So thank you for your responses, Paulo and cookiecruncher but these facts, which we all agree on, do not undermine the possibility that the true nature of the investigation may be different to the public version.

In any event, time will tell and if it turns out to be an EU-GB conspiracy, I will be just as disappointed as both of you.
I've found this on the internet regarding Mark Harrison and Martin Grimes, MI5 and others -

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It's worth a read.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thanks for the link. I did read it straight away and didn't think too much more about it.

But I just came back to it again today after reading Tony Bennett's response to my earlier post.

Am I missing something? In the foi request, Tony asked whether the Met had changed their remit when the review changed to an investigation. I don't see an answer to that question.

The carefully worded response refers back to the 'original' remit. But the original remit was to investigate the case. Surely a criminal investigation has to investigate a specified crime, not a case.

The absence of a changed wording to reflect the specific crime they're investigating is, to me, significant.

I missed it first time round but now it's made me think again. Maybe others could comment on this?

by **Jill Havern** 12.06.20 15:16

Doug D wrote:Verdi [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]:

‘And some believe a scrap of blue material taken from her hotel room could be the key that unlocks the case.’

Qué?

I posted the Sun article about the tiny bit of blue cloth and continuing advances in DNA testing @ [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Maybe that’s an avenue we should explore and actively encourage as it could open up the argument for further DNA testing à la Dr. Perlin.

Please start a new thread in the Debate Section so any discussion about it doesn't get lost amongst this thread thumbsup

by Rogue-a-Tory 12.06.20 15:28

Batman wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Batman wrote:

1. accidental death in 5a (date inconclusive)

Deliberate death at the hands of a person as yet unknown, probably on Sunday 29 April in circumstances that made it overwhelmingly necessary for the government and its security services to cover up what happened

2. temp concealment (poss blue bag, church)

Fridge/freezer in G5J

3. enlistment of Mr Fixit (trusted person close to T9 who shares a dark secret with them - cocaine and/or pedo).

First, Robert Murat. Helped by Nuno Lourenco who created the Wojchiech Krokowski patsy. Then: Government, MI5, other security services, Special Branch, ambassadors, lawyers, police, criminal profilers, numerous public relations staff, psychologists, Control Risks Group, Alex Woolfall (Head of Risk, Bell Pottinger), Resonate etc etc

4. ongoing concealment (villa, fridge)

Basement in or near Praia da Luz quickly found by Robert Murat on 1 or 2 May

5. permanent disposal (pig farmer/drug trafficker suspect from 08 and 14)

En route to Huelva

That's my theory.

Plus I don't believe that the German police are complicit in a Met Police/MI5/British establishment cover-up.

It's looking like they might well be - directed from the top (Angela Merkel)

Possible alternatives shown above in blue

Thank you so much Tony. That's an expansive and thoughtful response which suggests you actually read my posts.

Yes to all those options.

I believe that MI5 were involved to protect national interests, not necessarily to cover up the truth, unless of course it prejudiced national interests. Maybe it did but I wonder if it still does? Do we know if the D notices are still in force?

In any event, I dont believe the germans are complicit in a British cover up so maybe the Mets position is less important than where the germans are with the PJ.

Did the McCs have the opportunity to dispose of a body? Yes. My focus on Marquez came from the police interest in his involvement. Six hours of re-questioning in 2014 seems a long time to be asking questions plucked from thin air. They must have had something that raised suspicions. I connected him to CB as a drug 'trafficker' who would supply local dealers. And to CBs reported comment which may or may not be true about pigs eating human flesh. Either scenario is possible but my possibility makes sense of all the police activity across 3 countries now (if we ignore public statements about murderers, abductors and burglaries gone wrong))))).

The trip to Huelva remains a key part to the narrative. Over the border TM are close to Gibraltar and the protective blanket that UK secret services can afford them.

by **crusader** 12.06.20 15:47

My head is spinning with all the theories. If Ocean Club, MI5, Special Branch, Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka Uncle Tom Cobley and all are involved, what were the McCann's up to hiding Madeleine in a Fridge and driving around with her in the hire car.?
If special services were involved they would have done any disposal of the body and If Mark Warner were involved, they would have stored the body in a freezer until the clean up guys arrived.
It's getting ludicrous.

by cookiemuncher 12.06.20 16:00

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
Batman wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Batman wrote:

1. accidental death in 5a (date inconclusive)

Deliberate death at the hands of a person as yet unknown, probably on Sunday 29 April in circumstances that made it overwhelmingly necessary for the government and its security services to cover up what happened

2. temp concealment (poss blue bag, church)

Fridge/freezer in G5J

3. enlistment of Mr Fixit (trusted person close to T9 who shares a dark secret with them - cocaine and/or pedo).

First, Robert Murat. Helped by Nuno Lourenco who created the Wojchiech Krokowski patsy. Then: Government, MI5, other security services, Special Branch, ambassadors, lawyers, police, criminal profilers, numerous public relations staff, psychologists, Control Risks Group, Alex Woolfall (Head of Risk, Bell Pottinger), Resonate etc etc

4. ongoing concealment (villa, fridge)

Basement in or near Praia da Luz quickly found by Robert Murat on 1 or 2 May

5. permanent disposal (pig farmer/drug trafficker suspect from 08 and 14)

En route to Huelva

That's my theory.

Plus I don't believe that the German police are complicit in a Met Police/MI5/British establishment cover-up.

It's looking like they might well be - directed from the top (Angela Merkel)

Possible alternatives shown above in blue

Thank you so much Tony. That's an expansive and thoughtful response which suggests you actually read my posts.

Yes to all those options.

I believe that MI5 were involved to protect national interests, not necessarily to cover up the truth, unless of course it prejudiced national interests. Maybe it did but I wonder if it still does? Do we know if the D notices are still in force?

In any event, I dont believe the germans are complicit in a British cover up so maybe the Mets position is less important than where the germans are with the PJ.

Did the McCs have the opportunity to dispose of a body? Yes. My focus on Marquez came from the police interest in his involvement. Six hours of re-questioning in 2014 seems a long time to be asking questions plucked from thin air. They must have had something that raised suspicions. I connected him to CB as a drug 'trafficker' who would supply local dealers. And to CBs reported comment which may or may not be true about pigs eating human flesh. Either scenario is possible but my possibility makes sense of all the police activity across 3 countries now (if we ignore public statements about murderers, abductors and burglaries gone wrong))))).
The trip to Huelva remains a key part to the narrative. Over the border TM are close to Gibraltar and the protective blanket that UK secret services can afford them.

Isn't it Huelva where the natural acid lakes are, or am I getting confused with another location. It's a long time since I read all of the details, apologies if I have that wrong.

The McCanns also went to a town (Huelva perhaps?) on the premise of giving out leaflets regarding missing Madeline but it was shut as it was a religious holiday, so why did they pick Heulva or whatever town it was at that particular time? Surely they could have checked with the Mark Warner staff as to the best town to go to to give out leaflets as MW would know about religious holidays, but perhaps the McCanns knew that.

Just saying.

The McCanns never do anything without an ulterior motive, we've come to expect that over the years.

by crispbee2000 12.06.20 16:11

crusader wrote:My head is spinning with all the theories. If Ocean Club, MI5, Special Branch, Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka Uncle Tom Cobley and all are involved, what were the McCann's up to hiding Madeleine in a Fridge and driving around with her in the hire car.?
If special services were involved they would have done any disposal of the body and If Mark Warner were involved, they would have stored the body in a freezer until the clean up guys arrived.
It's getting ludicrous.

Exactly Crusader. The concealment has all the hall-marks of a professional well planned operation. It has been 100% successful in avoiding detection and in leaving no evidence whatsoever of the remains of Madeline. So, big governmental agency-backed operation. We are on the verge of a plausible scenario.
However, if I give ten out of ten for the concealment, I’d give the abduction staging a poor one out of ten! The aim of any alleged abduction staging would be to deflect attention away from the parents, the Tapas 7 and from any Ocean Club employees that may have been involved.
In practice what happened was very weak and ham-fisted. The initial story about the break-in had no credibility, the stories had to be changed to fit emerging facts. Cock-up. Then the use of the couple's hire car!
To my mind, we must be looking at two coinciding events. They don't even have to be directly connected, other than by time and broad location. Someone high up will move heaven and earth to conceal the existence and any details of the larger wider event, but was not prepared to physically assist the parents with concealment. Their [authorities] only involvement may have been to promote the abduction scenario, as it shone the light away from the epicentre. Note, TM never question Jez's behaviour or anyone working at the OC, it's always paedo gangs in the wild hills, or such like. That's why I'm not convinced that Robert Murat is a major player, other than as being a snoop for The Sun, he points his finger at the ocean club employees (an insider), not what the authorities would have wanted.
I don't know any more than anyone else, but my logic says we should consider the possibility of two overlapping incidents, where the smaller matter of an acidental death of a private individual, through negligence, threatened to uncover something that the UK believed had national security ramifications. Why else the D Notices and blank refusal on all FOIs relating to this?

by crispbee2000 12.06.20 16:14

Apologies, that should've read:

"That's why I'm not convinced that Robert Murat is NOT a major player, other than as being a snoop for The Sun"

by cookiemuncher 12.06.20 16:20

crusader wrote:My head is spinning with all the theories. If Ocean Club, MI5, Special Branch, Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka Uncle Tom Cobley and all are involved, what were the McCann's up to hiding Madeleine in a Fridge and driving around with her in the hire car.?
If special services were involved they would have done any disposal of the body and If Mark Warner were involved, they would have stored the body in a freezer until the clean up guys arrived.
It's getting ludicrous.

It depends who was in on the cause of her death. If it was paedophilia, don't forget KM's mention in her book (written for the twins to read when they get older regarding their sister) about her "genitals being torn apart". Ffs sake, what Mother would write in a book to two young children to remember their sister that "her genitals being torn apart". How can you even think about it unless it was real, it would be the last thing you would want to think about or even put in print, surely?

I can't imagine April Jones' mother writing something like that, although April had an horrendous death and her remains were found charred in a fire place.

Not forgetting that Yvonne Warren Martin, a child protection officer, went to see the McCanns as she was in the area and thought she may be able to help. She was put in her place and told to go away by one of the members of the group, who she later said "she recognised from somewhere". This is her PJ statement -

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by **crusader** 12.06.20 16:25

I remain in full agreement with PeterMac on Madeleine's demise.

by Guest 12.06.20 16:26

crusader wrote:My head is spinning with all the theories. If Ocean Club, MI5, Special Branch, Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka Uncle Tom Cobley and all are involved, what were the McCann's up to hiding Madeleine in a Fridge and driving around with her in the hire car.?
If special services were involved they would have done any disposal of the body and If Mark Warner were involved, they would have stored the body in a freezer until the clean up guys arrived.
It's getting ludicrous.

It is getting rather silly isn't it.

I think it all started with the suggestion that the jailed German, who is the latest prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - allegedly, was somehow instrumental in body concerealment and disposal.

Quite how that fits in with everything we know I've yet to be enlightened. What is now the point of attention - the German suspect joined the McCanns on their infamous trip to Heulva? With their child's body in the boot or the broken down camper van or the Jaguar said to belong to the German suspect?

And all this from a blitz of media nonsense. $i don\'t know$ . I give up trying to keep this thread on-topic - I'm fighting a losing battle.

Since May 2007, team McCann have been feeding the press with stories to publish invariably it would appear, to put people off the right track and lead them astray. It worked every time and it's working to this day.

They must be taking the myth big time.

by Guest 12.06.20 16:29

Gerry and Kate McCann are the prime suspects in the disappearance of their three year old daughter, Madeleine.

Madeleine McCann was not abducted.

Start at the beginning and work out from there, sticking to fact, evidence, informed intelligence as far as possible. Disregarding already debunked theorizing.

by Eastree27 12.06.20 16:46

The press in 2007 had to get the false (?) report of a Sagres visit on the 30th April from somewhere - surely important if it was falsely briefed out or was a truthful visit that day covered up.

by Doug D 12.06.20 16:48

Thank goodness we’ve got the ‘not-blundering’ or 'bungling' Met!!!???!!!

Blundering German police 'TOLD Madeleine McCann suspect he was going to be investigated over her disappearance in 2013, giving him ample time to destroy evidence'

·       Police blunder led to McCann suspect being informed of probe, report claims
·       Letter would have given Brueckner time to destroy any evidence, the report said
·       Christian Brueckner was seen with 'an assortment of older women' at resorts
·       Friends thought the 43-year-old made elderly holidaymakers pay him for sex

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A police blunder led to the German man suspected of murdering Madeleine McCann being informed he was being probed over the case as early as 2013, according to a Spiegel Online report Friday……..

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by **Tony Bennett** 12.06.20 18:06

crusader wrote:My head is spinning with all the theories. If Ocean Club, MI5, Special Branch, Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka Uncle Tom Cobbleigh and all are involved, what were the McCanns up to hiding Madeleine in a fridge

REPLY: It is argued by some that, if she had died, as an emergency measure Madeleine's body could have been temporarily placed in a fridge/freezer (to preserve it, and because there was nowhere to hide it in a hurry). There is an evidential basis for this theory - when the PJ brought in their own sniffer dogs right at the beginning, the dogs led them straight to G5J, which was empty at the tie. You would have to ask why the dogs went straight there

and driving around with her in the hire car?

REPLY: Admittedly this is more difficult to explain. We are however faced with a fact, namely that BOTH of Martin Grime's cadaver dogs alerted, separately and on entirely separate occasions, to cadaver scent/blood in the hired car. The explanation for this advanced by Goncalo Amaral is that her body was moved after 3 May 2007. I have to agree that it would be a major risk for the McCanns to have done this themselves. There is another possibility: that the body was moved in that same hired car BEFORE 3 May 2007. There is an extensive thread on the hired car somewhere on CMOMM. We discovered several oddities about the arrangements for the hired car which meant that we could not rule out that a body could have been transported in it before 3 May. We have the evidence (1) that after they had moved to the villa, neighbours of the McCanns saw the hired car rear door open all night and (2) that their cousin Michael Wright admitted to the PJ that there was a very bad smell in the car. That has to be explained. It suggests, at a minimum, that a corpse WAS transported in that hired car, whenever that was

If special services were involved they would have done any disposal of the body and if Mark Warner were involved, they would have stored the body in a freezer until the clean-up guys arrived. It's getting ludicrous.

REPLY: The story of the abduction is ludicrous. All that is happening on this forum is that we are doing our best to find out what REALLY happened to Madeleine. To give one outstanding example, it was on this very forum that we discovered overwhelming evidence that the so-called 'Last Photo' of Madeleine by the Ocean Club pool was taken on SUNDAY 29 April not Thursday 3 May - and that therefore SOMEBODY deliberately changed the date it was taken. That is a very probable fact on which we can develop tentative theories about what really happened

REPLIES ABOVE IN BLUE

by **Jill Havern** 12.06.20 18:54

Verdi wrote:I give up trying to keep this thread on-topic - I'm fighting a losing battle.

I wouldn't worry about it too much - this 'Latest News' sub-forum is littered with media nonsense and members trying to make any sense of it.

Providing the research threads and sub-forums are kept tidy then all's good in my world thumbsup

by DizzyPotts 12.06.20 21:48

Something I would really love answering if anyone could.....Excluding the Tapas 9, The McCann/Healy Family and the weird higher up connections.....Did the McCanns have any other friends? They both worked in hospitals, so they surely had work colleagues other than the T9? Were there ever any new stories/articles with said friends, colleagues, or even patients they'd treated....anyone who knew them prior to the Portugal trip?

by **sharonl** 12.06.20 21:54

DizzyPotts wrote:Something I would really love answering if anyone could.....Excluding the Tapas 9, The McCann/Healy Family and the weird higher up connections.....Did the McCanns have any other friends? They both worked in hospitals, so they surely had work colleagues other than the T9? Were there ever any new stories/articles with said friends, colleagues, or even patients they'd treated....anyone who knew them prior to the Portugal trip?

There was their friends from the 2005 holiday in Majorca, the Drs Gaspar.

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