The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

I think all this will blow over again like it does every year. 

Would be interesting to know if the German does know anything. Maybe his an associate of Murat or something

PinkPanther wrote:I think all this will blow over again like it does every year. 

Would be interesting to know if the German does know anything. Maybe his an associate of Murat or something

SOMEBODY knows what happened to Madeleine. People don't disappear off the face of the earth. Even if they can't be found, someone knows where that person is. As is the case of Madeleine McCann's disappearance, there are far too many people involved, and the truth will come out, eventually.

I really hope so. I have always suspected the parents from Day I but have recently watched the Rich Hall documentaries and been reading the threads here. I think it’s deeper than I first thought, specially all the weird links. Just waiting to see which person of the group/ring/whatever it is cracks first!

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4 even if any of the above, why then 'steal a corpse' rather than just running away.   He was having a night on the rob not body snatching. There is no ready market for dead children.


Sorry.  All ideas welcome but this one doesn't quite do it for me.

Unless CB had been given the job of collecting Maddie's body and disposing of it, and he'd been told she was behind the sofa? Maybe he was a friend of Murat, who'd been summoned early to PdL. Maddie couldn't have been in the blue bag though because the PJ photographed it in the wardrobe...but you wouldn't just pick up a dead child and walk out with her. Maybe he brought his own swag bag.

Then along comes Kate: "They've taken her!" - Murat and CB?

Maybe CB's old campervan was parked close by and they whisked her off to CB's villa.

Why does Robert Murat keep being dragged into every new story.

He was the first named suspect in the PJ investigation, only in my view because people, the central characters and on the periphery, were throwing out hints left right and centre - including some rather cruel suggestions that Murat fits the bill of the model paedophile! He was thoroughly investigated by the PJ and on their radar for over a year. They found no evidence to connect him in in any way with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

More interesting for me is his voluntary services as interpreter during the initial witness interviews, official and I don't doubt unofficial/informal.

It's a bit far fetched to think he might be connected in some way with this latest codswallop.

What happens in Germany stays in Germany - and Portugal! What larks for the UK media, this will keep them fired for weeks to come, all the time portraying the true prime suspects, Gerald and Kate McCann. as the poor hard done-by victims.

Looking for a master meddler? Try Clarence Mitchell Esq ....

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Trotters wrote:Could it be that Christian Whatshisname was simply having a night on the rob, saw someone leave that particular appt, figured he'd have at least a few minutes to get in and out, then stumbled upon Maddie lying face down dead having fallen off the back of the couch?

Not something he could report but certainly something he'd remember and possibly talk about with scumbag associates.

On the one hand, he'd have some bargaining chip to deal against his sentence but, again, that puts him at the scene and highlights him as a prime suspect. 

Just thinking out loud. Sorry if that's been discussed already.

That's a very good notion, in all the years I've been reading this forum I don't think I've read that suggestion before.

However, he could not be a prime suspect as it takes about an hour for cadaverine odour to form, but he probably didn't know that if he did get into the apartment and did a runner in panic

Yes it is, but would a burglar/rapist who'd just popped in to see what valuables/children might be laying around think to look behind a sofa first? After all Gerry said "no valuables had been taken", so the discovery of Maddie would have happened pretty quickly.

Maybe people do tend to leave their valuables/children out of sight behind a sofa when on holiday and going out for the evening.

Or maybe he'd heard the phrase about how 'we all lose money/children down the back of the sofa'.

I did reply to your comment earlier but it didn't seem to go through especially when it clashes with another one coming in at the same time.

What I did say was perhaps Madeleine's body wasn't behind the sofa when this guy got into the apartment but was lying dying on the floor, Trotters probably didn't think it through and assumed she was behind the sofa.  Then Gerry comes in and does his check and finds Madeleine dying, puts her behind the sofa and does resuscitation on her or a tracheostomy which causes blood spurts up the walls, the curtains and behind the sofa.  Gerry was missing for a while, apparently being blamed for watching football on the TV.  There is a gap of about 30 minutes before the alarm was raised, 9.30 p.m. onwards, some say the police were called at 10.40.  So what was happening in between.

Is Clarence Mitchell still meddling? Their statement says they don’t have a family spokesman

Roidininki wrote:Published today on the Official Madeleine Page  

Kate & Gerry McCann Statement: June 16th 2020
Since the recent police appeals regarding Madeleine’s disappearance there have been many inaccurate stories reported in the media. The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE. Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.
As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested. Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers. Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website. If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels.
Kate and Gerry

" Furthermore , we do not have a family spokesperson " ! 

So Clarence ( lies with as many teeth as he has in his mouth ) Mitchell isn't the " source close to the family " then ? 

Is he still there to " control what comes out in the media " ? 
Pull the other one !

A forum friendly member kindly sent me this report from Germany dated 10th June 2020..

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Victim lawyer to Christian B
"He was always close to the crime scene - also in other cases

Investigators accuse Christian B. of kidnapping and killing Madeleine McCann, who disappeared in 2007. However, the 43-year-old does not comment on this, as his lawyer explains. Instead, he announces that he will examine legal steps himself.

Christian B., the suspect in the case of Madeleine "Maddie" McCann, who disappeared in Portugal in 2007, does not comment on the allegations that he kidnapped and killed the then three-year-old British girl. As his lawyer Friedrich Fülscher explained at RTL / ntv, the 43-year-old "is currently not providing any information". B. is currently in prison in Kiel for a drug offense. Since his client did not comment on the allegations, the defense attorney asked for understanding that he did not want to speak about it for the time being. Fülscher defends B. together with the Hamburg lawyer Johann Schwenn. The lawyers Jan-Christian Hochmann and David Volke resigned their mandate.

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I confess, the language is a complete mystery to me - I've used google translate for this which is far from accurate/reliable but it does give an indication of reportage from Germany. Is this an example of the source of UK media information? If so, I can quite understand how they have become so confused, especially if they do as I, use google translate as a quick tool.

That aside, my particular concern at present is the image taken from the report ^^^.

A vague similarity I agree but not quite the same as..

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Someone been doing a bit of image manipulation, in addition to media manipulation?

Just heard a news report on the radio stating that the McCann's are saying they haven't received a letter from the German Police saying that she is dead.

Either they have or they haven't. Both stories can't be true.
Someone is obviously lying.

Verdi wrote:A forum friendly member kindly sent me this report from Germany dated 10th June 2020..

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Victim lawyer to Christian B
"He was always close to the crime scene - also in other cases

Investigators accuse Christian B. of kidnapping and killing Madeleine McCann, who disappeared in 2007. However, the 43-year-old does not comment on this, as his lawyer explains. Instead, he announces that he will examine legal steps himself.

Christian B., the suspect in the case of Madeleine "Maddie" McCann, who disappeared in Portugal in 2007, does not comment on the allegations that he kidnapped and killed the then three-year-old British girl. As his lawyer Friedrich Fülscher explained at RTL / ntv, the 43-year-old "is currently not providing any information". B. is currently in prison in Kiel for a drug offense. Since his client did not comment on the allegations, the defense attorney asked for understanding that he did not want to speak about it for the time being. Fülscher defends B. together with the Hamburg lawyer Johann Schwenn. The lawyers Jan-Christian Hochmann and David Volke resigned their mandate.

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I confess, the language is a complete mystery to me - I've used google translate for this which is far from accurate/reliable but it does give an indication of reportage from Germany.  Is this an example of the source of UK media information?  If so, I can quite understand how they have become so confused, especially if they do as I, use google translate as a quick tool.

That aside, my particular concern at present is the image taken from the report ^^^.

A vague similarity I agree but not quite the same as..

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Someone been doing a bit of image manipulation, in addition to media manipulation?

This is also a paragraph from the same link that Verdi has provided, in this post:

At 8:15 p.m. on Wednesday, RTL is broadcasting a special entitled "The Truth in the Maddie Case - Unpacking". The documentary "The Maddie Case - Do You Finally Have The Right One?" on TVNOW.

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[size=48]Madeleine McCann parents: Reports we received letter from German authorities about her death 'false'[/size]

More Google translation from Verdi's link:

After a visit to the Kiel correctional facility, Fülscher explained about possible false suspicions or public statements about the 43-year-old that "all these statements will be examined carefully and weighed up in individual cases, whether it makes sense to take legal or civil action against them." As Schleswig-Holstein's Minister of Justice Claus Christian Claussen announced, B. had been transferred to a single cell for security reasons. It is about the security of the inmate and the protection against possible attacks by fellow prisoners.

In addition, the Flensburg prosecutor said that she was never involved in the Maddie case. This was emphasized by Chief Prosecutor Ulrike Stahlmann-Liebelt and Minister Claussen. "We have nothing to do with the Maddie investigation," said Stahlmann-Liebelt. The man with multiple previous sentences was released from prison for a few weeks in Braunschweig for sexual abuse of a child and possession of child pornography in 2018 after a full 14-month sentence - according to Stahlmann-Liebelt, this could not be avoided legally. In Kiel, imprisonment due to drug offenses ends in spring 2021. B. has already served two thirds of this sentence and has applied for exemption from imprisonment. It has not yet been decided on.

The Federal Criminal Police Office is currently investigating several hundred new reports, although this could take weeks, if not months. The investigators are trying to keep track of the German's various places of residence in Portugal. These are then to be checked and specifically searched for the remains of the girl, who was three years old when he disappeared. This was one of the reasons why they had recently made the suspect's name public, which led to numerous new approaches. In contrast to its German counterparts, the British investigative agency Scotland Yard continues to assume that a missing person has been found because, according to a spokesman, there is "no definitive evidence" that the missing person is no longer alive.

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[size=48]Madeleine McCann parents: Reports we received letter from German authorities about her death 'false'[/size]

Why are the McCanns always on the defensive about such news?  "Ask the dogs, Sandra" comes to mind.

There's also the strange conversations between the McCanns and Mrs Fenn who was in the next door apartment.  Mrs Fenn asked what all the commotion was about and GM said a child had gone missing, not "our 3 year old daughter is missing", a child to Mrs Fenn might have thought a 11 or 12 year old had gone out to explore and didn't think much of it.  She asked him if he needed to use her phone but he said he'd contacted the authorities.

Then in Kate McCann's book she blames Mrs Fenn as liking missing Madeleine to a can of beans falling off a shelf????  Really ??  How can you describe your missing child as a can of beans falling off a shelf?  Is that what happened Kate?  You left Madeleine alone in the apartment, she did some climbing when you were out, fell off the kitchen units and smashed her head on the marble floor?  Perhaps she was hungry and was trying to find some baked beans to heat up, is that why it stuck in your mind.  Was the can of baked beans on the floor when you found her?

Yet Mrs Fenn is to blame, not you.  Oh yes, I get it, blame everyone else but yourself.

I didn't think it through thoroughly having not reviewed the details for a long time. Was just an idea that came to mind that Christian Whatshisname just stumbled upon something he never expected to stumble upon. Either it's a hypothesis that can be plausible or one that's easily kicked to the curb. 

I've no clue either way, TBH.

PeterMac wrote:Could it be that Christian Whatshisname was simply having a night on the rob, saw someone leave that particular appt, figured he'd have at least a few minutes to get in and out, then stumbled upon Maddie lying face down dead having fallen off the back of the couch?


1 Night on the rob.  Very possible


2 Saw someone leaving that particular appt.  This can only be GM, who then stood outside for 10-15 minutes talking, whilst JT flip-flopped past, going North and then returning due South very soon after Gerry had left the scene , 
OR. MO who came from the north, went into and then left 5A, and continued South to the Tapas bar. 
JT and MO both go round the top of the apartment block so get to look along the top road, in both directions.


3. stumbled across M lying face down dead having fallen odd the back of the couch.  She is down the back of the couch.   Not visible to anyone, and certainly not to a burglar who enters through the patio door where the opening is on the extreme left, when the couch is on the extreme right . . . in the dark . . .   with only minutes to go before someone comes back . . .


4.  He also has to avoid being seen by JT, ROB, MO, MO again as he enters the appt, MO a third time - as he leaves the appt, JT again, and ROB again
Which leaves him with  windows of opportunity of under 3 minutes each time, if that.


4 even if any of the above, why then 'steal a corpse' rather than just running away.   He was having a night on the rob not body snatching. There is no ready market for dead children.


Sorry.  All ideas welcome but this one doesn't quite do it for me.

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All of that you say Peter, plus no forensics to point that anyone other than the children and team McCann had been in 5A. 

Don't believe that CB had been in 5A otherwise the German police would have evidence to have him banged to rights.

Trotters wrote:I didn't think it through thoroughly having not reviewed the details for a long time. Was just an idea that came to mind that Christian Whatshisname just stumbled upon something he never expected to stumble upon. Either it's a hypothesis that can be plausible or one that's easily kicked to the curb. 

I've no clue either way, TBH.

I shouldn't worry about it, we all throw out ideas, some good some ridiculous, but we all like to make a point.  I thought your idea was good, with the McCanns anything is plausible.

Your post will be forgotten within a few hours, so don't fret over it.  We all have to start somewhere.  

I do believe though that the PTB, the media and others read these posts to get some idea of what thinking is going on within the public, so who knows who may hit on your comment.

sallypelt wrote:Madeleine McCann: Police say other people will have 'concrete knowledge' of her disappearance. The BKA appeal said: "There is reason to assume that there are other persons, apart from the suspect, who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime and maybe also of the place where the body was left."

I would certainly agree with that.

cookiemuncher wrote:

Trotters wrote:I didn't think it through thoroughly having not reviewed the details for a long time. Was just an idea that came to mind that Christian Whatshisname just stumbled upon something he never expected to stumble upon. Either it's a hypothesis that can be plausible or one that's easily kicked to the curb. 

I've no clue either way, TBH.

I shouldn't worry about it, we all throw out ideas, some good some ridiculous, but we all like to make a point.  I thought your idea was good, with the McCanns anything is plausible.

Your post will be forgotten within a few hours, so don't fret over it.  We all have to start somewhere.  

I do believe though that the PTB, the media and others read these posts to get some idea of what thinking is going on within the public, so who knows who may hit on your comment.

As I've pointed out before, this 'Latest News' section is littered with media nonsense and I don't think it hurts to think out loud in here.

We also need to keep in mind Asst Police Commissioner Mark Rowley's comment "burglary gone wrong" and DCI Colin Sutton's comment "stolen to order..." - both of which seem bonkers and totally ignores the dogs.

Even DCI Andy Redwood said Maddie may be alive or sadly dead (you don't say?)

But what's the harm in trying to make their theories fit this latest patsy suspect?

sallypelt wrote:Madeleine McCann: Police say other people will have 'concrete knowledge' of her disappearance. The BKA appeal said: "There is reason to assume that there are other persons, apart from the suspect, who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime and maybe also of the place where the body was left."

Enter Stephen Birch and Murat's driveway again? 

Just dig it up and be done with it for gawd's sake.

Trotters suggestion that CB was 'out on the rob' when he stumbled upon MM didn't have to be on the Thursday night.

Earlier in the week the settee could have been further away from the window, maybe to stop the kids climbing on it to try and look out and not therefore pushed back as in the PJ photos, giving a clear line of sight as soon as you tried to come in the lounge patio doors.

What if it had been say, Sunday night', it obviously spooked him, he wouldn't have even to have actually entered the apartment, hence no DNA, but then not hearing anything on the news for a few days, he decided to try his luck somewhere else around the OC complex again on the Thursday, which would account for him being in the right vicinity.

Just thinking out loud really.

I attempted contacting the BKA last week through the contact link on their appeal page.

There was a 1000 character limit on the message form!

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Mirror Breaking News - BREAKING Madeleine McCann could be alive admits German prosecutor who said she was dead

Does anyone on this forum think the German involvement in this case is anything but yet another charade, this time orchestrated right from the top of the German government, and its security arm, to continue the abduction narrative?

Just like the work of Leicestershire Police, Matt Baggott's Gold Group, MI5, Control Risks Group and of course Operation Grange?

In other words, is the prosecuting head of this German investigation being paid, or otherwise rewarded, for taking part in this international web of deceit?

Have Andy Redwood, Nicola Wall and Mark Cranwell all been bought and paid for? - in other words, sold their souls for thirty pieces of silver?

And WHAT terrible thing have they all been covering up for the past 13 years and 3 months?me, Tony. The involvement of the German police changed my view on the existence of an establishment cover-up.

Delayed response to your post, Tony. I don't think the German involvement is a charade. In fact, their involvement changed my whole view on the case.

For the Germans to be complicit in an establishment cover up, I have to believe three improbable things. Firstly, that there is something so threatening to EU security that three governments are coordinating their efforts to distract us from the truth. Secondly, that the standard of intelligence across three national police services is so low that, between them, they are incapable of constructing cogent and consistent stories to support an abduction theory. And thirdly, that MI5, plus their equivalents in two other countries, have failed to make this go away in 13 years with a published spend of £12m in the uk alone. 

Looking though this lens, wouldn't you say it sounds incredible? Not impossible, but literally, incredible.

Another hypothesis posits that all three police forces accept that MM died in 5a, they suspect that disposing of the body involved others and that their investigations are focused on finding those people and what exactly occurred between demise in 5a and final disposal.

For this scenario to be true, I have to believe only two things. Firstly, that the police are basing their investigations on the evidence and, secondly, that their nonsensical public statements are deliberate. 

The first of these is what police forces do and needs no further explanation. The second could be true if the nonsensical statements are designed to prompt witnesses to come forward whilst, at the same time, concealing the true nature of the investigation so as not to alert the prime suspects. It's a known police tactic though, I accept, I don't have much evidence to support that it applies here.

I can however point to one thing.

Tony, do you recall your FOI request to the Met (2014?) asking them to confirm the remit of the criminal investigation? I don't think they answered that question. Instead they referred you back to the review wording which was to investigate the case as though the abduction had occurred in the uk. Surely a criminal investigation has to investigate a crime, not a case? That response to your question is nonsensical in the context of a criminal investigation. IMO, it's highly significant and consistent with them not wanting the true purpose of their investigation to become public.

Mainline wrote:I attempted contacting the BKA last week through the contact link on their appeal page.

There was a 1000 character limit on the message form!

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Roidininki wrote:Published today on the Official Madeleine Page  

Kate & Gerry McCann Statement: June 16th 2020
Since the recent police appeals regarding Madeleine’s disappearance there have been many inaccurate stories reported in the media. The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE. Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.
As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested. Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers. Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website. If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels.
Kate and Gerry

Well that's cleared that up then, a statement from 2 well known "trusted" mouths! The poor couple, their lives have been disrupted, can't everyone just forget about what happened and leave them alone. They seemed so keen on the press at the start!

If they don't have a family spokesperson why was Mitchell quoted in the sky report?

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said the family would not discuss private correspondence and it wasn't clear if they had yet received the prosecutor's letter.

When they say they will support law enforcement agencies in any way requested does that mean they will do a reconstruction now!

Doug D wrote:Trotters suggestion that CB was 'out on the rob' when he stumbled upon MM didn't have to be on the Thursday night.

Earlier in the week the settee could have been further away from the window, maybe to stop the kids climbing on it to try and look out and not therefore pushed back as in the PJ photos, giving a clear line of sight as soon as you tried to come in the lounge patio doors.

What if it had been say, Sunday night', it obviously spooked him, he wouldn't have even to have actually entered the apartment, hence no DNA, but then not hearing anything on the news for a few days, he decided to try his luck somewhere else around the OC complex again on the Thursday, which would account for him being in the right vicinity.

Just thinking out loud really.

If he'd stumbled upon that I would have thought he could easily trade a bit of "robbing" for the information leading to a reward of £1m.

It is Pantomime. All of it. 

A three year old's life is placed in the gutter by the media and PR.

Add the bloody shameful behaviour of the police forces involved and weep.

Silverspeed wrote:Just heard a news report on the radio stating that the McCann's are saying they haven't received a letter from the German Police saying that she is dead.

Either they have or they haven't. Both stories can't be true.
Someone is obviously lying.

Of course the German police or any legal beagle hasn't written a letter to the Mccanns telling them their daughter is dead - but he can't say how, what, where or why. The idea is preposterous in the extreme.

Can you imagine the fiasco it would create in a court of law if ever the German prisoner or the McCanns were ever brought before the beak?

It's laughable.