Re: The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

by **Jill Havern** 07.06.20 16:53

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Surely the line wont be CB and another woman involved?

Bugger, he's blocked me wail

by MaddieMay13YEARS 07.06.20 16:53

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Thank you. The name Khandola rings a bell. I will look it up.

by sallypelt 07.06.20 16:59

Some infomation from the Portuguese newspaper, Corrieo da Manh

"Ocean Club employee reported McCann habits to suspect Maddie's abduction
PJ and the German police identify an employee who told Brueckner that English couples left valuable assets in their homes.
Christian Brueckner's cell phone number has been in the process since 2007. It is one of the devices that were activated in the vicinity of the village from which Maddie disappeared, but only after Brueckner told a German friend that he knew what had happened to the English girl is that the PJ managed to connect the contact.

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by sallypelt 07.06.20 17:08

This is also from CDM from 6 June:

"It's the man I saw": Witness says Christian was near the McCanns' apartment on the day of Maddie's disappearance
The main suspect in the abduction had been convicted of sexual crimes against children.

When Britain saw a photograph of the pedophile, recently identified as a suspect in kidnapping Maddie, she exclaimed, "This is the man I saw."

The woman reportedly reported the sighting of the German at the time of the disappearance and was seen as a credible witness.

A second witness confirmed that he saw the man acting bizarre days after Madeleine McCann's appearance.

He also revealed that Portuguese detectives circulated a photo of the pedophile. "They showed his photograph to at least two witnesses who identified him, but nothing happened."

The main suspect in the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, Christian Brueckner, now 43, moved from Germany to Praia da Luz in 1995, at the age of 18. At the time, the suspect had already been convicted of sex crimes against children.

by sallypelt 07.06.20 17:11

Can anyone understand Portuguese? There is a property in this footage. It may be something of interest:

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by **crusader** 07.06.20 17:14

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by **Tony Bennett** 07.06.20 17:17

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Could this be Martin Smith, I wonder?

If not, who is this 'Key Irish Witness'?

Obviously Christian Brueckner looks nothing like 'E-fit A' nor 'E-fit B'.

If Martin Smith is right - and also that it was Christian Bruckner who abducted Madeleine and bundled her into his VW camper van between 9.05pm and 9.55pm that night - then there must have been TWO three-year-old blonde girls being carried by a lone man around the streets of Praia da Luz that night of Thursday 3 May

by **crusader** 07.06.20 17:18

The female receptionist Elisa Angela Dias Romao, will surely be questioned in connection with CB.

by **sharonl** 07.06.20 17:24

Tony Bennett wrote:
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Could this be Martin Smith, I wonder?

If not, who is this 'Key Irish Witness'?

Obviously Christian Brueckner looks nothing like 'E-fit A' nor 'E-fit B'.

If Martin Smith is right - and also that it was Christian Bruckner who abducted Madeleine and bundled her into his VW camper van between 9.05pm and 9.55pm that night - then there must have been TWO three-year-old blonde girls being carried by a lone man around the streets of Praia da Luz that night of Thursday 3 May

And these lone men were all similarly dressed? What a coincidence.

by sallypelt 07.06.20 17:30

Can someone enlighten me on "the Garden Club"? This Garden Club keeps popping up in different articles. I don't recall hearing about it in the past

by sallypelt 07.06.20 17:34

crusader wrote:The female receptionist Elisa Angela Dias Romao, will surely be questioned in connection with CB.

This is some of what ELISA Angela Dias Romao,said, back in 2007 when interviewed by the PJ:

The deponent recalls that the parents then spent most of the time at the Garden Club, at activities such as tennis, and although they were part of a group of four couples (the reservation was always made for 9 adults), they only got together at dinner time.

The couple only left the Garden Club after the children had finished their dinner, which was served by the nannies inside this facility, and which began around 17H00/18H00. It was afterwards that they again left with the children for their respective apartments...

… Regarding the days when the events took place, she remembers that her working day was normal and she did not notice anything strange that could be of interest for the proceedings. On this same day, at around 17h30 she remembers having left the reception area and going to get her salary, but she does not remember having seen Madeleine and her parents enter the Tapas restaurant.

She returned to the reception area around 19h00, when she finished work for the day; she learned of the events on Friday morning from a co-worker.

She does not remember this year whether somebody entered the reception and went to the pool or the restaurant without due authorization. In any event, on previous years, namely last year, several children and adults entered the premises without authorization in order to use the pool.

She never noticed suspicious individuals or vehicles in the vicinity of the complex. Likewise, she does not remember anybody asking about the operations of the complex or of the children's facilities in particular.

by MaddieMay13YEARS 07.06.20 17:43

@Tony Bennett

Thank you for such detail. Your reply has jogged my rusty old memory in some of what you say. I believe it was Oldfield who said he went back to hurry along the Payne's.

The arranging of the furniture makes sense, a possibility. Based then on something bad having already happened to young Madeleine at a much earlier time, and not when Kate McCann raised the alarm - so setting the scene?

Were they all aware of whatever that was I wonder?

From what I recall of their statements there doesn't appear to have been a checking routine on other nights. Oldfield particularly sticks in my memory re this. He always to me, came across as much more uncomfortable than the others regarding his statement his account of movement throughout the week in relation to not just the alleged checking routine. I always thought he was their weakest link. I do remember in one of the documentaries he pretty much did as Gerry McCann dictated. If Gerry had said jump. Oldfield jumped. Always thought that strange at the time as had never considered Oldfield and Gerry to be close in any way.

Thanks too for the info re Trace. The name Khandola rang a bell when I saw it, but I did not remember that she was/is Kate McCanns friend.

I'll need to do a refresher course, long time since I paid much heed to the case.

Thanks again for your time and insight.

by **Mainline** 07.06.20 17:44

OC employees contact details are all in the files. Elisa Romao's number [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. If the number was an OC employee there would be literally no need to request information on the handset. Unless you're thinking burner.

At any rate I highly doubt the veracity of this tabloid information.

by **Mainline** 07.06.20 17:51

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'Lenta Johlitz, 34, worked for him at the corner shop and, recalling the exchange, she told German newspaper Bild: 'Once he totally lost it when we sat together with friends and had a conversation about the Maddie case. He wanted us to stop talking about it. He shouted, ''The child is dead now and that's it''.
'And: ''You can make a corpse disappear quickly! Pigs also eat human flesh!''

by MaddieMay13YEARS 07.06.20 17:54

Had posted this on another thread but seems it was not correct one, so have copied it over. Have no idea how to remove it from the thread I originally posted on?

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If I've read correctly he has not admitted the crime for which he is currently being held, he is appealing his conviction which will be heard by the European Court of Justice.

With that in mind, I would not bet on him admitting that he was involved in any way with the Madeleine McCann case.

It seems he is challenging the evidence and witness testimony against him. Accusing also German authorities of violating international law and making legal errors during his extradition.

Sounds as though he knows his rights. Criminals tend to.

He's fighting hard against this conviction, to gain his release from prison.

Can't see him then confessing to murdering Madeleine McCann.

He'll be staying right where he is if he did.

So confessing wouldn't make much sense.

Don't know the length of his current sentence. But it won't be as lengthy as it would be for a murder conviction.

So no need to do a deal (if deals are such a thing in Germany, Portugal, UK or wherever any case against Madeleine would be heard) If I recall correctly, was it not reported at one time that Portugal don't do deals, the subject came up in connection with someone in the group saying they had been offered one by Portuguese Police?

As to a deal? That (if deals can be made) would only be raised if the guy is charged with Madeleine's murder without her remains being found (and if he's guilty of course). The whereabouts of same could then be a tool with which to barter.

What was it Gerry McCann once said when challenging the Portuguese Police - Find the body and prove we killed her?

(astonishing and sickening comment to make with regards your missing child. Unforgivable in fact. What if the child had been found and she and her siblings when older read such horrible comment by their father. Perhaps the two who are now teenagers have read much of the conduct by their parents. They must have many questions. Maybe doubts too with much of the story told by their parents. They may not believe their parents harmed Madeleine, but they will surely note the inconsistencies in their story which in turn could arouse suspicion)

So unless the MET or the BKA can find the body and prove Brueckner (or anyone else for that matter) killed Madeleine, they won't be pinning a tale on any donkey!

Brueckner has no reason to confess to anything!

And the opportunity will not present itself for the McCanns to take any further legal action against Goncalo Amaral (not that I think for a moment they would have a case anyway)

by **PeterMac** 07.06.20 18:00

His MO is not QUITE the same as that used in 5A, whatever that might have been.
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Today it was revealed he had tortured and raped a 72-year-old American tourist in her holiday home close to the McCann's apartment in 2005, 18 months before the three-year-old was snatched from her bed - but was only jailed last year after German police began investigating.
He planned the rape having broken into the victim's house wearing a mask and armed with a rope to tie her to a wooden beam. She was blindfolded, gagged and whipped with a piece of metal before being raped and robbed - but hairs left at the scene later linked him to the crime. She told the police: 'He enjoyed torturing me'.
And elsewhere FlatMan has returned with Gerry agonising over whether he could have been there during the Proud-father-pissing moment. Behind the door !
As somebody once said, "I am not making this up, you know".
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We now have MW-T out-thinking the combined might of the PJ (specialists in Crime. They do nothing else), Grange, which is part of the Homicide Directorate, (specialist HOMICIDE detectives. They do nothing else), and the Bundes Kriminal Amt, (the BKA, specialists in crime. They do nothing else. Think FBI).
But Brunt and MW-T and Edgar and possibly one or two others think they have a better idea.
If so, they should ring Grange AT ONCE and point out the evidence they have missed - or provide it if it is still in the CEOPS' filing cabinet, never having been sent to the PJ. Like all those Photos Mr Gamble.

by Silverspeed 07.06.20 18:00

sharonl wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
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Could this be Martin Smith, I wonder?

If not, who is this 'Key Irish Witness'?

Obviously Christian Brueckner looks nothing like 'E-fit A' nor 'E-fit B'.

If Martin Smith is right - and also that it was Christian Bruckner who abducted Madeleine and bundled her into his VW camper van between 9.05pm and 9.55pm that night - then there must have been TWO three-year-old blonde girls being carried by a lone man around the streets of Praia da Luz that night of Thursday 3 May

And these lone men were all similarly dressed? What a coincidence.

Tony, i saw Martin Smith's name mentioned in an article yesterday. Can't remember which one off the top of my head as there have been so many flying around. Nothing more than speculation though, just saying that they thought he would be spoken to again about his alleged sighting.

by crispbee2000 07.06.20 18:01

sallypelt wrote:Can someone enlighten me on "the Garden Club"? This Garden Club keeps popping up in different articles. I don't recall hearing about it in the past

I assume:

The Ocean Club is split into 3 main areas; Ocean Club Gardens, Waterside Gardens and Waterside Village. So I assume it means - Ocean Club Gardens?
Actually, on the 2020 brochiure they call the top part of the old Club Gardens - "CLub Phase", so that makes 4 sections, Club Phase, Ocean Club Gardens, Waterside Gardens and Waterside Village. If I'm on the right track - that is.....

by sallypelt 07.06.20 18:09

crispbee2000 wrote:
sallypelt wrote:Can someone enlighten me on "the Garden Club"? This Garden Club keeps popping up in different articles. I don't recall hearing about it in the past
I assume:

The Ocean Club is split into 3 main areas; Ocean Club Gardens, Waterside Gardens and Waterside Village. So I assume it means - Ocean Club Gardens?
Actually, on the 2020 brochiure they call the top part of the old Club Gardens - "CLub Phase", so that makes 4 sections, Club Phase, Ocean Club Gardens, Waterside Gardens and Waterside Village. If I'm on the right track - that is.....

Thank you, Crispbee. I looked at the photograph again, and I could see that it says "Garden Club" on the entrance to the Ocean Club. My memory is fading fast bingo

by **crusader** 07.06.20 18:15

@ sallypelt, sorry to confuse, I was referring to Mark WT saying an additional user, a female, has been linked to the mobile number released by the police that called the subject on the evening Madeleine vanished.

by sallypelt 07.06.20 18:18

crusader wrote:@ sallypelt, sorry to confuse, I was referring to Mark WT saying an additional user, a female, has been linked to the mobile number released by the police that called the subject on the evening Madeleine vanished.

Crusader, it's gone completely over my head. I don't know what you are referring to, but it doesn't take much to confuse me, these days spit coffee

by Doug D 07.06.20 18:40

Sallypelt,

Ocean Club was renamed Garden Club a few years ago.

The property shown in the video is the villa just outside P de L that he used to stay at (just below central pink dot in top photo)

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by sallypelt 07.06.20 18:45

Doug D wrote:Sallypelt,

Ocean Club was renamed Garden Club a few years ago.

The property shown in the video is the villa just outside P de L that he used to stay at (just below central pink dot in top photo)

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Thank you, Doug. My faith has been restored. I am not going nuts, after all......……….YET!

I've been away from this case for so long. I had to get away from it. As I said in an earlier post, it's like doing a puzzle over and over, when you already know the answer/s. For me, now, it's just a case of, how did they do it?

by Eastree27 07.06.20 20:13

sallypelt wrote:Some infomation from the Portuguese newspaper, Corrieo da Manh

"Ocean Club employee reported McCann habits to suspect Maddie's abduction
PJ and the German police identify an employee who told Brueckner that English couples left valuable assets in their homes.
Christian Brueckner's cell phone number has been in the process since 2007. It is one of the devices that were activated in the vicinity of the village from which Maddie disappeared, but only after Brueckner told a German friend that he knew what had happened to the English girl is that the PJ managed to connect the contact.

A former employee of the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, had him in his ...

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That's all it will let me see.

Corrieo da Manh is according to my friend in Lisbon an rubbish tabloid with a heavy dosing of racism.

by Guest 07.06.20 21:41

Silverspeed wrote:
Eastree27 wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Eastree27 wrote:But it is going to be used to tie it up and probably force PM Costa to offer a public grovelling apology or some nonsense.
Is it?
Yes - too much covverage for this to just fade out and not be leading somewhere.
The various Police Forces have known about Breuckner for years. IMO for what it's worth, if they had any real concrete evidence against him that could prove he was definitely there, how he got in, how he got out, how he did it exactly etc. then he would have been charged a long time ago. My guess is they haven't got any.

Circumstantial evidence and alot of ifs, buts, maybe's and might have is about it. I can't see this leading anywhere really. Just my opinion, i could be wrong of course.

Your opinion is very worthy Silverspeed, as demonstrated in your post!

According to press reports, Breuckner has been on the police radar for two decades - that's twenty years! Madeleine McCann 'disappeared' thirteen years ago, if on their radar at that time they would know where and when the suspect was - surely?

The bloke is incarcerated - apparently. If there is even the tiniest hint of evidence to place him at the centre of the Madeleine McCann intrigue then talk to him - it really is that simple. He can't run very far can he? It's not as though he could flee Portugal, sorry Germany, back to a safe haven.

Was he ever spotted in a North African campsite by any chance big grin

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No abduction = no abductor.

by Guest 08.06.20 0:06

MaddieMay wrote:Had posted this on another thread but seems it was not correct one, so have copied it over. Have no idea how to remove it from the thread I originally posted on?

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Click on delete.

On this occasion I've done it for you.

by Guest 08.06.20 0:14

It's not difficult to see what this is all about..

Madeleine McCann suspect feared as terrifying gun toting criminal, say locals

The suspect found a job as a waiter in a village 40 miles from Praia da Luz and befriended a German couple who looked after foster children

By Jamie Johnson Foral 7 June 2020 • 11:06pm

Remarkably, Portuguese police have not yet visited the village of Foral to interview potential witnesses, despite the overwhelming evidence that the convicted sex offender was living there in the weeks after Madeleine disappeared.

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What a load of old friars balsam.

No abduction = no abductor.

by MaddieMay13YEARS 08.06.20 0:16

@Tony Bennett

I watched a Madeleine documentary on TV this evening.

Perhaps you could throw some light on the following?

They spoke of the booking register for the restaurant and stated that there was a note attached to the McCann group booking (a standing booking they said in the documentary) requesting a table close to the pool so as they could see the apartments as their young children would be sleeping alone in the apartments.

Was this the exact wording in the register or simply the wording used by the female in the documentary?

It poses a couple of questions:

Was the booking made at the beginning of the week?
Was it for the entire week?
Was this note attached at the time of booking?
Or, was this note attached later in the week?
Did all of the group know that this request had been made?
Were they seated at same table each evening?

If this note was attached at the time of booking, say at the beginning of the week, then the group must have discussed at some point beforehand some sort of babysitting routine.

It would seem unlikely that the checking system as claimed to have been in place on the Thursday was the regular system, not least because the McCanns were the only ones with an unlocked apartment. They had to tell Oldfield and O'Brien that it was unlocked when they got up to go check, as is their claim, which indicates that was not the case during that week, else they would have known this. And there is no mention of anyone in the group giving each other the keys to enter the apartments of others for the purpose of checking children, or is there?

It would seem odd too that the pair did not question when told the McCann apartment was unlocked as to why that would be.

If the system during the week (if there was one at all) was that all children were in one apartment being looked after by one member of the group for the entire evening, or taking turns, tagging each other - then how did harm come to Madeleine if these children were in the care of an adult?

And why would the group need to be seated at a table with a view of the apartments if someone was looking after the children in one particular place?

Little children or babies were not going to be up and out on the balconies. So what and why exactly did the parents expect to see when they glanced over to the apartments? Oldfield said to see if a light came on!

Did they expect their young babies and toddlers to be out of bed, putting lights on and going out onto balconies? How odd!

And if they thought that was possible - why would they all have left their children alone?

Perhaps a light coming on was some sort of signal for someone?

The babysitting/checking system either children being checked in separate apartments or altogether in one/locked and unlocked apartments and all else about the evening routine throughout their time there makes no sense.

It does look as though it points to Madeleine not having been in the apartment at all on the evening of 3rd May!

Thank you

by Guest 08.06.20 0:36

MaddieMay wrote:@Tony Bennett

I watched a Madeleine documentary on TV this evening.

Perhaps you could throw some light on the following?

They spoke of the booking register for the restaurant and stated that there was a note attached to the McCann group booking (a standing booking they said in the documentary) requesting a table close to the pool so as they could see the apartments as their young children would be sleeping alone in the apartments.

Was this the exact wording in the register or simply the wording used by the female in the documentary?

You don't specify what documentary you watched but whatever I advise you to disregard.

The mention about the Tapas booking was mentioned in Kate McCann's book madeleine'. I quote..

In spite of what we’d been told about booking the Tapas restaurant, Rachael managed to get a table for nine at 8.30pm pencilled in for the rest of the week after having a word with the receptionist at the pool and Tapas area.

It wasn’t until a year later, when I was combing through the Portuguese police files, that I discovered that the note requesting our block booking was written in a staff message book, which sat on a desk at the pool reception for most of the day. This book was by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too. To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence and simply to explain why she was bending the rules a bit, the receptionist had added the reason for our request: we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.

There is no official documentation to confirm so not worthy of attention.

That aside, the subject of this thread is Christian Brückner and the alleged claim by German police that he was involved in the abduction of Madeleine McCann. No abduction = no abductor.

Please keep on topic.

by Silverspeed 08.06.20 1:24

[size=48]Senior Portuguese police official claims German 'prime suspect' Christian Brueckner is INNOCENT of Maddie McCann murder, and was thoroughly investigated four years ago[/size]

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The police official said there is 'no evidence' Christian Brueckner was involved
The former Policia Judiciaria chief said no reasons to charge him were found
This comes after Met Police launched a new Madeleine McCann appeal this week

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The statement was made to a respected Spanish newspaper by an unnamed Portuguese police chief.

The officer, described as a former Policia Judiciaria chief with in-depth knowledge of the Madeleine McCann probe who still works for the force, told ABC: 'There's no evidence Christian Brueckner is involved in her disappearance.

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Christian Brueckner (pictured), who German police believe killed Madeleine McCann, was not involved in her disappearance, it was claimed by a senior Portuguese police official
'Strong enough reasons to be able to charge him were never found.

'People talk about surprises in the Madeleine McCann case with the capture of this German man, but for me it's no surprise.

'This individual was already investigated around four years ago.'

Insisting the aim of German police revelations about the man, now identified as the prime Madeleine McCann suspect, was simply to put the case back into the public eye, ABC quoted the veteran PJ boss as saying: 'At this stage of the investigation, I think they've done it because they think it's needed to shake up the case and attract new witnesses.

'They work very closely with Portugal and now they've wanted to turn this case around.

'They're not looking to solve it now, because that's very difficult. What they're looking to do is agitate the waters.'

It is the first time any high-ranking Portuguese police officer has been publicly quoted as saying he does not believe Brueckner is regarded as a genuine Madeleine McCann suspect, even though he appeared to hide behind the cloak of anonymity for the interview.

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The unnamed Portuguese police chief, who still works for the force, said there is 'no evidence' Christian Brueckner was involved in the Madeleine McCann (pictured) case and was investigated four years ago

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The PJ has released only one written statement since the new Met Police Madeleine McCann appeal on Wednesday and subsequent German police comments about the new suspect.

It said hours after photos of the camper van and Jaguar car Brueckner used on the Algarve were published: 'The PJ confirms that as part of the investigation into the disappearance of a British child in the Algarve in 2007, measures are still being taken to clarify completely the situation.

'Through close coordination with the German authorities (BKA) and the Metropolitan Police, through the sharing of information and the undertaking of formal investigative and expert work, in Portugal and abroad, material was collected that indicates the possible involvement of a German national in the disappearance of the child.

'The suspect in question, who is 43 and has a criminal record, lived in Portugal between 1996 and 2007 and is currently serving a prison sentence in Germany.

'The family of the missing child has been informed of these developments by the British authorities.

'The investigation continues.'

On Friday the PJ deputy director gave an interview to Portuguese news agency Lusa, but used it to hit back at criticism over the way Brueckner slipped through their net.

[size=48]Met police commissioner says McCann remains a missing persons case

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Christian Brueckner is currently in prison (pictured) in Kiel, northern Germany, for a drugs offence
Carlos Farinha insisted the German's name was one of those passed on to British police in case files in 2012 - and said Scotland Yard had never asked the PJ to take a closer look at him.

Responding to reports Breuckner only became a serious suspect a decade after Madeleine's May 3 2007 disappearance following a bar admission to a drinking pal, Mr Farinha said: 'If the suspicions about this man were so obvious, he would have been the subject of requests made by the British, which were always authorised by Portugal, but those requests about him were never made.

He added in his interview with Lusa: 'If the PJ is being accused of giving Brueckner a lack of priority, the same could be said of the Metropolitan Police.

'In theory everything could have been different but in 2007 and in 2012 we didn't known what we knew in 2017.'

He also described this week's fresh appeal as an initiative of the German police, who were 'convinced it could lead to additional information coming in from the Germany community.'

But appearing to hint that the evidence the three police forces have at the moment may not be enough to bring charges and a successful prosecution, he was quoted as saying: 'Suspicions about the German national have grown but unfortunately they are not enough to make him an arguido and formally accuse him

The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.