The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Alternatively, it could be they know the whole thing is load of nonsense, just like all the other new suspects and/or persons of interest that have surfaced over the past thirteen years.  Mostly I strongly suspect because the stories were planted in the first place by a source close to ....

The McCanns publicly distanced themselves from the Netflix documentary - the documentary that is based on their own story line.

Everything, everything that has appeared in the press over the years I'll wager was/is by the hand of team McCann.

Verdi wrote:Alternatively, it could be they know the whole thing is load of nonsense, just like all the other new suspects and/or persons of interest that have surfaced over the past thirteen years.  Mostly I strongly suspect because the stories were planted in the first place by a source close to ....

The McCanns publicly distanced themselves from the Netflix documentary - the documentary that is based on their own story line.

Everything, everything that has appeared in the press over the years I'll wager was/is by the hand of team McCann.

Also I suspect that members of SY, the media, even the government, the PJ and many others around the world read this forum and realise that posters on here are savvy to the cover up that the "powers that be" are trying to get away with but haven't reckoned on the public knowing so much about Madeleine's disappearance and they won't get away with a cover up.

Also if this "scapegoat" in Germany is accused of Madeleine's "disappearance" just to close the case, then the McCanns will take Goncalo Amaral to court and crucify him, when all these "agent provocateurs" know full well he was right in the first place.  Will they be able to live with themselves if that happens?

cookiemuncher wrote:Also if this "scapegoat" in Germany is accused of Madeleine's "disappearance" just to close the case, then the McCanns will take Goncalo Amaral to court and crucify him, when all these "agent provocateurs" know full well he was right in the first place. Will they be able to live with themselves if that happens?

I don't see how that's possible cookiemuncher. A dead patsy yes, but a red blooded living patsy? Nah!

You can't pin a serious crime on a living person without repercussions. There must be evidence, a trial, a conviction - how can that be? Don't you think the accused might have something to say about being fitted-up for a crime he didn't commit. And let's face it - no way is this person involved with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

If he is .... I'll eat my hat !

Unless he's already dead.

Verdi wrote:

cookiemuncher wrote:Also if this "scapegoat" in Germany is accused of Madeleine's "disappearance" just to close the case, then the McCanns will take Goncalo Amaral to court and crucify him, when all these "agent provocateurs" know full well he was right in the first place.  Will they be able to live with themselves if that happens?

I don't see how that's possible cookiemuncher.  A dead patsy yes, but a red blooded living patsy?  Nah!

You can't pin a serious crime on a living person without repercussions.  There must be evidence, a trial, a conviction - how can that be?  Don't you think the accused might have something to say about being fitted-up for a crime he didn't commit.  And let's face it - no way is this person involved with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

If he is ....  I'll eat my hat !

Unless he's already dead.  

Verdi, thanks for your response.  I understand what you're saying but if he is to be a "scapegoat" what defence does he have especially if he has a string of crimes behind him already.  Who's going to pay his lawyer's fees, who is going to stand up in court and defend him and why is he being targeted in the first place when SY and the PJ know who is responsible for Madeleine's "disappearance".

As it is SY and the media seem to have overlooked the findings of Eddie and Keela, also the missing blue bag.  If they can do that what else can they overlook?

A defence lawyer will stand before the court to plead his case.

The prosecution must have a solid cast iron case, supported by evidence, to present a case before a court of law, otherwise it would be laughed out of court.

The accused will then be in the dock before the court to be vigorously questioned by the prosecution and defence lawyers. More than likely he would crumble under the pressure but still it is in the hands of the lawyers to prove their case. Without any evidence the prosecution are on dicey ground.

If the media reports are to be believed, there is no evidence to even suggest the suspects involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - let alone prove it.

This is just another diversion thrown into the machine - it works every time.

Take a step back and ask yourself .... is any of this really likely?

It's easier enough to plant, germinate and propagate seeds of doubt but before a court of law it's another ball game altogether.

Why do you think the McCanns agreed to an out of court settlement when pursuing libel suits against the UK press - because they knew they would be in very deep water if questioned before a court of law?

Seriously, how can anyone in their right mind believe a single word of this utter ..

Madeleine McCann suspect's ex fears he snatched her in revenge for dumping him

EXCLUSIVE: The German dated the woman, from Berkshire, for around a year in 2004 and 2005 after meeting at the restaurant where they worked.
ByMartin Fricker

   23:24, 13 JUN 2020

Christian Brueckner’s British ex fears he may have snatched Madeleine McCann in revenge for her dumping him.

The German dated the woman, from Berkshire, for around a year in 2004 and 2005 after meeting at the restaurant where they worked.

He attacked her in a bar in Lagos after she hugged a man and later broke into her apartment and hid under her bed. They split after she found a pair of knickers in a bag at his farmhouse in Praia da Luz.

Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007, the day after the woman, who is too afraid to be named, turned 32.

She said: “I’ve watched TV shows about crazy criminals and how they commit crimes on dates that are significant. The more I think about it, the more disturbing I find it.”

Brueckner is suspected of abducting and murdering three-year-old Madeleine from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007, when it is thought he was living a "transient" lifestyle in a VW camper van.

Brueckner, who was 30 at the time, is in prison in Kiel, Germany, for raping and beating a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz in September 2005.

He has two previous convictions for child sexual abuse.

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The phantom knicker nicker !  

This bloke is a really colourful character - anything goes it would appear.  With all those convictions under his belt and braces, by rights he should be behind bars for 2 life times yet pending parole? Released on good behaviour ?

When I say go back to the beginning, I refer to the official PJ investigation, not the circus surrounding the case.  It seems the latest revelation is doing just that..

Hotel worker may have helped Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner

Police believe a member of staff may have told him that Madeleine’s parents were not in their apartment

A hotel employee may have helped Christian Brückner target the apartment where Madeleine McCann was asleep, knowing that her parents had gone out to a nearby tapas restaurant, according to German police in charge of the inquiry.

Hans Christian Wolters, the prosecutor heading the investigation, suspects that a member of the Ocean Club staff made a phone call on the night of the girl’s disappearance to tip off the prime suspect in the case that the family’s apartment was free to burgle.

German investigators, who have “sidelined” Scotland Yard’s own £12m hunt for Madeleine, are trying to trace the owner of the mobile phone used to call Brückner. “We are investigating if an Ocean Club member of staff helped the suspect on the night Madeleine disappeared,” Wolters confirmed. “This is of interest to us. The phone call made by the suspect could be between him and a member of staff who told him when to break into the McCanns’ apartment.”

The call was made just before Madeleine went missing on May 3, 2007. The three-year-old had been left asleep in the apartment with her twin two-year-old siblings. It was received on a mobile handset belonging to Brückner at 7.32pm and finished at 8.02pm. It places Brückner’s phone in the Praia da Luz area.

Madeleine was last seen at 9.05pm, when her father, Gerry, checked her room to find her asleep. He closed the bedroom door and left via the unlocked patio doors.

A working theory is that Brückner used the tipoff from the employee at the Ocean Club, then owned by the holiday giant Mark Warner, to time his raid on the Algarve holiday apartment. Instead of stealing the McCanns’ valuables, however, he carried Madeleine away, German police suspect. There is no evidence the employee knew about Madeleine’s kidnap in advance.

Wolters said police had not interviewed Brückner about Madeleine’s murder because they had not yet traced the person who called him.

“Our evidence tells us the suspect was doing burglaries in Praia da Luz and Lagos [a nearby resort] at the time,” he said. “We want to speak to the person he spoke to on the phone before we interview the suspect in prison.

“We haven’t found that person yet. The phone of the suspect was in Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine went missing. This is from mobile phone data.

“But at the moment if we interview the suspect he could say, ‘My girlfriend had my phone that night and I didn’t have it’. The person he spoke to could put the phone in his hand [by confirming that it was definitely Brückner to whom he spoke], which would mean he was in the area at the time.

“This is the evidence we want before we issue an arrest warrant and then interview him for the murder. It would help the case against him — but we would also need more evidence.”

Kate McCann, Madeleine’s mother, has long suspected that the tapas restaurant’s booking details could have been passed to their daughter’s kidnapper. In her book, Madeleine, she recalled that they were “by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too.

“To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence . . . the receptionist had added [that] . . . we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.”

Wolters confirmed that an attack on a 10-year-old British girl in 2005 in Praia da Luz forms part of the inquiries against Brückner.

Nine sexual assaults and three near-misses took place on British girls aged between six and 12 while their families were on holiday in the Algarve between from 2004 to 2006, according to the Metropolitan police.

German federal police, known as the BKA, have taken the lead in the Madeleine case. One source said the Madeleine inquiry by Scotland Yard was now “piggy-backing” the BKA and had “been sidelined” by a German team made of up to 100 investigators.

British police have known about Brückner’s name since a tipoff from the Germans in 2013 although it is said to have been “vague” and lacking in “specific detail”, according to a police source.

Police in Braunschweig, a city in Lower Saxony known as Brunswick in English, investigated the tip at the time and saw on their database that Brückner was a known sexual offender. He was sent a summons to appear as a witness in the Madeleine case, and German media said last week it would have “given him enough time to remove any evidence”.

However, Wolters pointed out the suspect had already had 2007 to 2013 to remove any evidence of the murder.

Wolters insisted relations between German police and Scotland Yard were “strong”. However, one senior German police source said the Portuguese authorities were dragging their heels on new evidence against Brückner. “They blame the parents and don’t want to be proved wrong because that would look bad for them,” the source said.

An arrest warrant has not yet been issued against Brückner for Madeleine’s murder because senior police and prosecutors would be forced to reveal their evidence against him. “We’re not ready to do that yet,” Wolters said.

Asked to mark out of 10 the strength of the evidence against Brückner, Wolters replied: “It is not 10. We need a 10 to take him to court. But it is not 1 or 0. It is something above that.

“The best thing [to solve the case] would be a confession. Or when we find the body, that would be a big step, but it could be possible that we find other things. Some objects that would help. We don’t know what we will get. We just need some more evidence to go to court.”

Wolters said a key piece of evidence obtained by his team provided a “100%” certainty that Madeleine was no longer alive.

Last week he refused to deny whether the inquiry team had obtained video footage or photographs of Madeleine. However, he ruled out having any forensic evidence relating to her death that may have come from Brückner’s two vehicles, a Jaguar and VW Westfalia camper van in the possession of the German police.

Brückner, 43, had been living in Praia da Luz in a ramshackle farmhouse overlooking the holiday resort. He had fled to Portugal in 1995 as an 18-year-old to escape a two-year youth custody sentence for child sex offences. He was later convicted of the sexual abuse of another child and the rape of a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz.

Brückner has been linked to at least four unsolved child disappearances around Europe.

He is serving a 21-month jail sentence in Kiel, northern Germany.

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Scotland Yard’s £12m search

How much has Operation Grange cost?
From May 2011 to April 2020, a total of £12.1m has been spent in the hunt to find Madeleine McCann, known as Operation Grange. An application for further funding is pending.

How is it funded?
Scotland Yard receives money from the Home Office through “special grant funding”, which is usually available to police forces for significant or exceptional costs.

What are its resources?
At its peak, Operation Grange, initially run by Detective Chief Inspector Andrew Redwood, had a team of 28 detectives and seven civilian staff. In 2015, this was reduced to four detectives. The German investigation has up to 100 police working on the case.

When did Scotland Yard first become aware of Christian Brückner?
Portuguese police claim they told Scotland Yard about Brückner in 2012. His name was one of 600 persons of interest, but he was not classed as a suspect at this stage. The German authorities passed on a “vague” tipoff they received about Brückner in 2013. In 2017 they received a second tipoff about him. He was then made a prime suspect.

What do the German police and prosecutors think of the British and Portuguese investigations?
Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said there was “potential room for improvement” on international co-operation between national police forces. The Portuguese were “slow” to react to requests, he said. In his view the British police were more efficient at providing investigative information.

Where does the investigation go now?
German and British police are looking for a piece of evidence that can be a “knockout blow”. The case needs a confession, a body, forensics, or an item of evidence. British police are sifting through nearly 1,000 calls and emails received from the public since the new appeal this month.

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Tch tch tch Mr Sunday Times - I thought better of you than this .  They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Still it is weekend - repeats are customary.

Tomorrow should be fun.  Watch this space ....

Gosh, there is so much wrong with this article.

Do phone records go back 13 years?

How could the police possibly know what was discussed in a phone conversation?

 They want to find the person who called him before they interview him prison because they don't want to tip him off and give him the opportunity to say he didn't have the phone at the time.  The caller is really going to confess that he called Bruckner and tipped him off that the McCanns were out is he? This is just speculation from the German police.  Anyway, he could still claim that someone else had the phone that night.  And as for not wanting him to know that they are going to question him on this call, they have just broadcast it worldwide via the media.  Hilarious, asking the world to keep this a secret. All he needs is a newspaper or a visit.

Then there is the timing of the call telling him that the McCanns were out, between 7.32 and 8.02.  Gerry was in the apartment at 9.05, and Madeleine, according to Gerry, was still there.  So Bruckner would have missed his 8.02 opportunity.  A call at around 9.10 may have been slightly more convincing. 

Hoping to find DNA on small piece if cloth from 13 yrs ago

Hoping to find the owner of a phone that called his phone earlier that night, and hoping that they will confess to tipping him off for a burglary.  

Is this the extent of the evidence they have against him?  It's more than obvious from this article that they're trying to stitch him up.



What a load of rubbish this is.

So Lord and Lady Muckann must has spoken then.

"Maddie murdered by an abductor"  no no we can't have that, it's not the outcome that the suspects want. Back to the drawing board.

PeterMac wrote:They are beginning to back-track already.
Clearly no one has phoned in with any credible evidence, or indeed any evidence t all, as they had hoped, and now the exculpation begins.

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MADELEINE McCANN could still be alive, as the leading officer in the case has confirmed there is no forensic evidence to show that the missing girl is dead.

Apart, of course from the human cadaverine and human blood detected in the apartment and on clothing and in a car, making a total of 17 places associated with the McCanns, but strangely in no other places.


Coincidence?
17 coincidences?

As I thought. I really wish people would follow the logic instead of getting caught up in the media feeding frenzy which is full of spin and speculation. If German police had anything to tie Bruckner to the scene it would have been game over for him, charged. 
   The 'piece of cloth' would have been available to police for 7 years but the media where making it out to be the missing link and not yet tested. Please!

Silverspeed wrote:
This is from another article.


  'Mr Cranwell told reporters on Wednesday he was taking the "really unusual" step of releasing two mobile phone numbers as part of the appeal.

The first, (+351) 912 730 680, is believed to have been used by the suspect and received a call from another Portuguese mobile, (+351) 916 510 683, while in the Praia da Luz area, starting at 7.32pm and ending at 8.02pm on the night of May 3 2007.

Madeleine is believed to have disappeared between 9.10pm and 10pm that evening.

The caller, who is not thought to have been in the Praia da Luz area, is not being treated as a suspect, but is said to be a "key witness" in the case.'

Verdi wrote:When I say go back to the beginning, I refer to the official PJ investigation, not the circus surrounding the case.  It seems the latest revelation is doing just that..

Hotel worker may have helped Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner

Police believe a member of staff may have told him that Madeleine’s parents were not in their apartment

A hotel employee may have helped Christian Brückner target the apartment where Madeleine McCann was asleep, knowing that her parents had gone out to a nearby tapas restaurant, according to German police in charge of the inquiry.

Right, so this “hotelworker” wasn’t even in the area but yet he was able to tip him off about when the McCanns were leaving their apartment. Sounds plausible...

They cannot identify the person who made the call to Bruckner. Well, according to one news report anyway. How difficult would it be to identify someone who was working at the Ocean Club, obviously near the Tapas Bar, on the evening May 3rd 2007?

Even if this person did call Bruckner, How do the police know what was said in the conversation?

The conversation ended at 8.02, the apartment was allegedly checked after that with Gerry himself visiting and claiming to have seen Madeleine at 9.05. What would be the point of the caller telling Bruckner that the McCanns were out at 8.02 and him leaving his burglary/abduction until later? Why didn't this unidentified person ring Bruckner back to warn him that the Gerry was heading for the apartment and then again when he left? And if he was on duty that night, did no one hear the telephone conversation?

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Mirror Breaking News - BREAKING Madeleine McCann could be alive admits German prosecutor who said she was dead

Does anyone on this forum think the German involvement in this case is anything but yet another charade, this time orchestrated right from the top of the German government, and its security arm, to continue the abduction narrative?

Just like the work of Leicestershire Police, Matt Baggott's Gold Group, MI5, Control Risks Group and of course Operation Grange?

In other words, is the prosecuting head of this German investigation being paid, or otherwise rewarded, for taking part in this international web of deceit?

Have Andy Redwood, Nicola Wall and Mark Cranwell all been bought and paid for? - in other words, sold their souls for thirty pieces of silver?

And WHAT terrible thing have they all been covering up for the past 13 years and 3 months?

The German police and the Met don't always seem to be 100% on message so either that's deliberate or they have different motivations.

sharonl wrote:  They cannot identify the person who made the call to Bruckner.  Well, according to one news report anyway.  How difficult would it be to identify someone who was working at the Ocean Club, obviously near the Tapas Bar, on the evening May 3rd 2007?  

  Even if this person did call Bruckner, How do the police know what was said in the conversation?

The conversation ended at 8.02, the apartment was allegedly checked after that with Gerry himself visiting and claiming to have seen Madeleine at 9.05.  What would be the point of the caller telling Bruckner that the McCanns were out at 8.02 and him leaving his burglary/abduction until later?  Why didn't this unidentified person ring Bruckner back to warn him that the Gerry was heading for the apartment and then again when he left?  And if he was on duty that night, did no one hear the telephone conversation?

They didn't go to dinner till 20.30 anyway I believe.

In 2013 Crimewatch heavily hinted the story involved the 'Abductor' hiding in the flat while Gerry did the 'check.'

Eastree27 wrote:

sharonl wrote:  They cannot identify the person who made the call to Bruckner.  Well, according to one news report anyway.  How difficult would it be to identify someone who was working at the Ocean Club, obviously near the Tapas Bar, on the evening May 3rd 2007?  

  Even if this person did call Bruckner, How do the police know what was said in the conversation?

The conversation ended at 8.02, the apartment was allegedly checked after that with Gerry himself visiting and claiming to have seen Madeleine at 9.05.  What would be the point of the caller telling Bruckner that the McCanns were out at 8.02 and him leaving his burglary/abduction until later?  Why didn't this unidentified person ring Bruckner back to warn him that the Gerry was heading for the apartment and then again when he left?  And if he was on duty that night, did no one hear the telephone conversation?

They didn't go to dinner till 20.30 anyway I believe.

In 2013 Crimewatch heavily hinted the story involved the 'Abductor' hiding in the flat while Gerry did the 'check.'

The Crimewatch programme was disgustingly duplicitous in every way.  It showed the Ocean Club apartment apparently the McCanns stayed in as 5 star high end accommodation with leather seats on the patio and high class furniture inside when in fact it was a bog standard rental apartment you get in any rented holiday accommodation with plastic chairs and table on the patio, not posh, expensive, padded leather chairs.

That aside. Crimewatch also showed the door to the McCanns' children's bedroom opening the wrong way, therefore telling all the viewers that the "abductor" could have been hiding behind the door when GM looked into the children's bedroom when in fact the door opened the other way and the "abductor" would have been flattened between the door and the built in wardrobe, hence his name on the internet as "flat man".

Which also leads me on to Kate McCann and her precise details of how she left the door of the children's bedroom partly open.  She mentioned it in her documentary about open doors and "whooshing curtains", that when she went to check on the children at 10 p.m. the door was open at a different angle, yet with all the obvious lies going on she didn't realise she had stuffed herself as Gerry McCann and David Payne had also checked on the children (apparently), Gerry saying how beautiful Madeleine looked and DP said he saw the twins breathing, so Kate please tell us how the door to the bedroom was in another position so as you knew that the abductor had been in when your own husband and DP supposedly looked in on the children.

Come on Kate, we're all waiting.......

Make of this what you will..

Rape victim asks Madeleine McCann detectives to review her case

Exclusive: Irish woman says an earlier assault by new McCann suspect is similar to that on her

Warning: this article contains graphic details of sexual assault which some readers may find upsetting

Kate Connolly

Tue 9 Jun 2020 06.00 BST
Last modified on Thu 11 Jun 2020 13.33 BST

An Irish rape victim has asked detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann to review her case, after learning that a new suspect in the British girl’s abduction was convicted of a sexual assault bearing a similarity to her own experience.

Hazel Behan was working in Praia da Rocha, Portugal, 30 minutes’ drive from where Madeleine was abducted, when she was viciously assaulted by a stranger in her apartment in 2004. The assailant was never caught.

Behan was alerted to the police appeal for new evidence in connection with Christian Brückner, named as a key suspect in Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance, when she discovered the 43-year-old German had recently been convicted of the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz in 2005.

“My mind was blown when I read how he had attacked a woman in 2005, both the tactics and the methods he used, the tools he had with him, how well he had planned it out,” she said. “I puked, to be honest with you, as reading about it took me right back to my experience.” Behan has waived her right to anonymity.

In 2004, she was working as a holiday representative at a resort in the coastal town of Praia da Rocha and was two weeks away from her 21st birthday when she was attacked in her apartment.

“I had gone to bed around 1am, and was awoken by someone calling my name. I turned on to my back and standing there was a masked man dressed in tights and what resembled a leotard, a machete around 12in long in his hand,” she said.

The man, who she later told police spoke English with a German accent, was about 6ft 1in. He wore a mask that covered his whole head, she said, “but I could see he had blond eyebrows, and piercing blue eyes, even in the dark”.

She also recalled a distinctive mark on the top of his right thigh, “either a pull in the tights, a birthmark or a tattoo”. In descriptions of Brückner in the German media, he is said to have birthmarks on his upper right thigh.

Behan’s attacker, who removed his shoes at the door and set up a video camera in the room, told her not to scream. He dragged her into the living area and tied her to the countertop of the breakfast bar, before producing a bag of whips and chains. Using scissors to remove her clothes, he gagged her with cloth so she could not scream, and proceeded to beat and rape her.

She said: “It seemed to me he had worked everything out, he had a plan and was very deliberate. He consistently cleaned his hands, and repeatedly changed condoms. This went on, I guess, for around four or five hours. When he was finished, he took me down from the counter, but I could not stand up because of the ropes digging into the backs of my legs. He wanted me to perform a certain act on him which I just couldn’t, I was gagging.

“He got angry and ordered me into the bathroom and he picked up the machete. I was convinced he was going to kill me, and I threatened to scream and said I would not go in there. My hands were still tied behind my back and he leaned me over a small bench and put a sheet over my head. I thought that was it, my life was over. But underneath the sheet I watched as he backed out of the door, put on his shoes and ran away down the street.”

In the weeks running up to the attack, Behan said she had noticed that someone had been in her room. “At first I thought I was just being paranoid, but bits of money went missing, and things had been moved around. I now know my attacker had entered the room and been stalking me in the period leading up to the attack. I now wish I had followed my instinct and told someone in a position of responsibility.”

Once her attacker had fled, Behan ran down the corridor to call the police in the resort’s reception. She said about 30 policemen arrived soon after, taking her back to the room “where I was asked to strip off and stand in a star jump-like stance whilst they took pictures of me. That was one of the most humiliating aspects of the whole ordeal.”

Behan was taken to the local hospital where a gynaecologist examined her, but she does not know if any forensic evidence was taken. She says no attempt was made to examine her wounds for evidence. When she returned to the room several days later with her parents, “my Mam found a nail of mine on the bed which must have come off in the initial scuffle. So I am not very confident that they examined the room closely.”

Behan added: “I had little hope over the last 16 years that they would find the man who did this. I was told at the time that I should just be quiet, that if I talked about what had happened I would bring bad publicity to the resort and put off the tourists.

“Then I read about the poor American woman who was raped in September 2005 – who I would love to talk to – and the possible link that was being made between her attack and the person who abducted Madeleine McCann, and I was so full of anger, I knew in my gut it was the right thing to do to speak out.

“I think if the police had done their job investigating what happened to me, if this is indeed the same man that attacked the American and abducted Madeleine McCann, they might have prevented the attack on her, and Madeleine would now be at home with her parents.”

German police and London’s Metropolitan police are thought to have identified Brückner – whose name has not been released by the police but has emerged in the German media – as a key suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance. They have appealed to the public for any information and have received about 400 calls.

Behan, who lives in Ireland with her husband and two children, has given a statement to the Met, who informed her they were taking her case seriously and would be contacting Portuguese police. Behan said the Met had informed her that other people had contacted them independently about her attack.

“They offered everything they can do to help me,” she said. “It’s the first time in 16 years that I’ve been offered any help from an official. I live in hope of finally getting closure on an extremely difficult chapter in my life.” She added: “Speaking out about this is difficult, but in my gut I feel it is the right thing to do.”

The Met would not comment on Behan’s case but the force reiterated its appeal for “anyone with information to come forward and speak with us”. Portuguese police have not responded to a request for comment.

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Eastree27 wrote:

sharonl wrote:  They cannot identify the person who made the call to Bruckner.  Well, according to one news report anyway.  How difficult would it be to identify someone who was working at the Ocean Club, obviously near the Tapas Bar, on the evening May 3rd 2007?  

  Even if this person did call Bruckner, How do the police know what was said in the conversation?

The conversation ended at 8.02, the apartment was allegedly checked after that with Gerry himself visiting and claiming to have seen Madeleine at 9.05.  What would be the point of the caller telling Bruckner that the McCanns were out at 8.02 and him leaving his burglary/abduction until later?  Why didn't this unidentified person ring Bruckner back to warn him that the Gerry was heading for the apartment and then again when he left?  And if he was on duty that night, did no one hear the telephone conversation?

They didn't go to dinner till 20.30 anyway I believe.

In 2013 Crimewatch heavily hinted the story involved the 'Abductor' hiding in the flat while Gerry did the 'check.'

The Crimewatch programme was disgustingly duplicitous in every way.  It showed the Ocean Club apartment apparently the McCanns stayed in as 5 star high end accommodation with leather seats on the patio and high class furniture inside when in fact it was a bog standard rental apartment you get in any rented holiday accommodation with plastic chairs and table on the patio, not posh, expensive, padded leather chairs.

That aside. Crimewatch also showed the door to the McCanns' children's bedroom opening the wrong way, therefore telling all the viewers that the "abductor" could have been hiding behind the door when GM looked into the children's bedroom when in fact the door opened the other way and the "abductor" would have been flattened between the door and the built in wardrobe, hence his name on the internet as "flat man".

Which also leads me on to Kate McCann and her precise details of how she left the door of the children's bedroom partly open.  She mentioned it in her documentary about open doors and "whooshing curtains", that when she went to check on the children at 10 p.m. the door was open at a different angle, yet with all the obvious lies going on she didn't realise she had stuffed herself as Gerry McCann and David Payne had also checked on the children (apparently), Gerry saying how beautiful Madeleine looked and DP said he saw the twins breathing, so Kate please tell us how the door to the bedroom was in another position so as you knew that the abductor had been in when your own husband and DP supposedly looked in on the children.

Come on Kate, we're all waiting.......

She claims she assumed Matt Oldfield must have moved it. Payne's 'visit'  claimed to have beemn at 18.00 or something.

" A masked man  dressed in tights and what resembled a leotard " 

" He wore a mask that covered his whole head she said ." but I could see he had blonde eyebrows and piercing blue eyes even in the dark " 

Any woman subjected to a horrific attack deserves help and her attacker caught . However jumping into this farce of an " investigation " selling her story to the press does her no favours . Imho .

Eastree27 wrote:

cookiemuncher wrote:

Eastree27 wrote:

sharonl wrote:  They cannot identify the person who made the call to Bruckner.  Well, according to one news report anyway.  How difficult would it be to identify someone who was working at the Ocean Club, obviously near the Tapas Bar, on the evening May 3rd 2007?  

  Even if this person did call Bruckner, How do the police know what was said in the conversation?

The conversation ended at 8.02, the apartment was allegedly checked after that with Gerry himself visiting and claiming to have seen Madeleine at 9.05.  What would be the point of the caller telling Bruckner that the McCanns were out at 8.02 and him leaving his burglary/abduction until later?  Why didn't this unidentified person ring Bruckner back to warn him that the Gerry was heading for the apartment and then again when he left?  And if he was on duty that night, did no one hear the telephone conversation?

They didn't go to dinner till 20.30 anyway I believe.

In 2013 Crimewatch heavily hinted the story involved the 'Abductor' hiding in the flat while Gerry did the 'check.'

The Crimewatch programme was disgustingly duplicitous in every way.  It showed the Ocean Club apartment apparently the McCanns stayed in as 5 star high end accommodation with leather seats on the patio and high class furniture inside when in fact it was a bog standard rental apartment you get in any rented holiday accommodation with plastic chairs and table on the patio, not posh, expensive, padded leather chairs.

That aside. Crimewatch also showed the door to the McCanns' children's bedroom opening the wrong way, therefore telling all the viewers that the "abductor" could have been hiding behind the door when GM looked into the children's bedroom when in fact the door opened the other way and the "abductor" would have been flattened between the door and the built in wardrobe, hence his name on the internet as "flat man".

Which also leads me on to Kate McCann and her precise details of how she left the door of the children's bedroom partly open.  She mentioned it in her documentary about open doors and "whooshing curtains", that when she went to check on the children at 10 p.m. the door was open at a different angle, yet with all the obvious lies going on she didn't realise she had stuffed herself as Gerry McCann and David Payne had also checked on the children (apparently), Gerry saying how beautiful Madeleine looked and DP said he saw the twins breathing, so Kate please tell us how the door to the bedroom was in another position so as you knew that the abductor had been in when your own husband and DP supposedly looked in on the children.

Come on Kate, we're all waiting.......

She claims she assumed Matt Oldfield must have moved it. Payne's 'visit'  claimed to have beemn at 18.00 or something.

I'm getting confused with Matthew Oldfield and David Payne.

That still doesn't account for the angle of the door moving though, Kate said she knew an abductor had been in (she mentions it in hr book) because the angle of the door was different from when she left it to go the the Tapas Bar but GM and MO had looked in on the children's room.  Or am I missing something?

cookie muncher wrote:Gerry saying how beautiful Madeleine looked and DP said he saw the twins breathing,

What an odd thing to say.

"I saw the twins sleeping", "I saw the twins, all tucked up in bed"

BUT, " I saw the twins BREATHING". not exactly normal conversation is it? Why would he say breathing?

sharonl wrote:

cookie muncher wrote:Gerry saying how beautiful Madeleine looked and DP said he saw the twins breathing,

  What an odd thing to say.

"I saw the twins sleeping", "I saw the twins, all tucked up in bed"

BUT, " I saw the twins BREATHING".  not exactly normal conversation is it?  Why would he say breathing?

He also doesn't mention Madeleine who would have been in full view of him on the left as he opened the bedroom door and walked in to look at the twins.  It's very telling of all the porkie pies that have been going on since 3 May 2007.  How they live with themselves I do not know, but they all seem to be surviving well, but of course not poor Madeleine.  The one that matters the most but seems to have been forgotten whilst others went from strength to strength who should have been there for her but looked after their own butts instead.

Sorry to keep repeating all of this but it makes me so furious that these lies have been going on for 13 years now, when will it end?  I just wanted to keep it in the public domain to new people who may read the blog or those newspaper "journalists" who twist the truth in favour of the McCanns but have completely forgotten about poor Madeleine, the victim in all of this nonsense.

Rant over.  

cookiemuncher wrote:

sharonl wrote:

cookie muncher wrote:Gerry saying how beautiful Madeleine looked and DP said he saw the twins breathing,

  What an odd thing to say.

"I saw the twins sleeping", "I saw the twins, all tucked up in bed"

BUT, " I saw the twins BREATHING".  not exactly normal conversation is it?  Why would he say breathing?

He also doesn't mention Madeleine who would have been in full view of him on the left as he opened the bedroom door and walked in to look at the twins.  It's very telling of all the porkie pies that have been going on since 3 May 2007.  How they live with themselves I do not know, but they all seem to be surviving well, but of course not poor Madeleine.  The one that matters the most but seems to have been forgotten whilst others went from strength to strength who should have been there for her but looked after their own butts instead.

Sorry to keep repeating all of this but it makes me so furious that these lies have been going on for 13 years now, when will it end?  I just wanted to keep it in the public domain to new people who may read the blog or those newspaper "journalists" who twist the truth in favour of the McCanns but have completely forgotten about poor Madeleine, the victim in all of this nonsense.

Rant over.  

Rant over?

Carry on ranting, we've been doing that for over 13 years and its what is keeping the case alive. If we shut up, they'll just creep away quietly and hope its all forgotten. Besides, the more we rant, the more we keep the truth in the public eye.

cookiemuncher wrote:

sharonl wrote:

cookie muncher wrote:Gerry saying how beautiful Madeleine looked and DP said he saw the twins breathing,

  What an odd thing to say.

"I saw the twins sleeping", "I saw the twins, all tucked up in bed"

BUT, " I saw the twins BREATHING".  not exactly normal conversation is it?  Why would he say breathing?

He also doesn't mention Madeleine who would have been in full view of him on the left as he opened the bedroom door and walked in to look at the twins.  It's very telling of all the porkie pies that have been going on since 3 May 2007.  How they live with themselves I do not know, but they all seem to be surviving well, but of course not poor Madeleine.  The one that matters the most but seems to have been forgotten whilst others went from strength to strength who should have been there for her but looked after their own butts instead.

Sorry to keep repeating all of this but it makes me so furious that these lies have been going on for 13 years now, when will it end?  I just wanted to keep it in the public domain to new people who may read the blog or those newspaper "journalists" who twist the truth in favour of the McCanns but have completely forgotten about poor Madeleine, the victim in all of this nonsense.

Rant over.  

I feel the same. I've recently returned to this forum to try to 'catch up' on any positive developments, having been so rudely reawakened to this by the news stuff now from Germany, and my total amazement at the fact that our great media are still trying to portray to us that the McCanns are the innocents in the loss of their eldest daughter.
I ask myself now - will this ever end?

sharonl wrote:

cookiemuncher wrote:

sharonl wrote:

cookie muncher wrote:Gerry saying how beautiful Madeleine looked and DP said he saw the twins breathing,

  What an odd thing to say.

"I saw the twins sleeping", "I saw the twins, all tucked up in bed"

BUT, " I saw the twins BREATHING".  not exactly normal conversation is it?  Why would he say breathing?

He also doesn't mention Madeleine who would have been in full view of him on the left as he opened the bedroom door and walked in to look at the twins.  It's very telling of all the porkie pies that have been going on since 3 May 2007.  How they live with themselves I do not know, but they all seem to be surviving well, but of course not poor Madeleine.  The one that matters the most but seems to have been forgotten whilst others went from strength to strength who should have been there for her but looked after their own butts instead.

Sorry to keep repeating all of this but it makes me so furious that these lies have been going on for 13 years now, when will it end?  I just wanted to keep it in the public domain to new people who may read the blog or those newspaper "journalists" who twist the truth in favour of the McCanns but have completely forgotten about poor Madeleine, the victim in all of this nonsense.

Rant over.  

Rant over?  

Carry on ranting, we've been doing that for over 13 years and its what is keeping the case alive.  If we shut up, they'll just creep away quietly and hope its all forgotten.  Besides, the more we rant, the more we keep the truth in the public eye.

Thanks Sharoni.

I only hope I live that long to see justice done for Madeleine.  It's quite frightening how things can be perverted by the media and others (I won't name them here).  It's only really in the past 5 years or so I've realised that justice has been turned on its head, that the guilty are innocent,, and the innocent are guilty.  Take Nigel Farage for instance being booted off his radio programme because he doesn't conform to the new "woke" BLM order. It's becoming quite frightening to witness. As in the case with Madeleine, "they" all know who is to blame but everything is being done to find a patsy so "they" get off free.  If you can't trust SY who can you trust?

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" It's quite frightening how things can be perverted by the media and others" and then you use Nigel Farage as a "victim", you're joking right? So as not to derail the thread I am interested in your reply but I will not be responding.

Just for the record I believe the McCann's are responsible for what happened and have run a merry circus around the truth.

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" It's quite frightening how things can be perverted by the media and others" and then you use Nigel Farage as a "victim", you're joking right? So as not to derail the thread I am interested in your reply but I will not be responding.

Just for the record I believe the McCann's are responsible for what happened and have run a merry circus around the truth.

Yes I will reply to you although "you don't want to derail the thread and won't be responding"!!  Are you for real, why did you ask me to reply then?

I was giving an example of the ridiculous BLM "insidious games they're playing".  Yes, they are games, being paid for and urged on my Momentum and the Marxist left wingers, and who do you think is paying for them all to congregate in London and elsewhere?  I doubt they're paying their own train/bus fares.  I'll give you one guess, someone who wants to overturn the government and Brexit.

Why should someone lose their job because they don't conform with the "minority".  Why should police be told to take the knee because if they don't they will be seen as easy pickings for BLM.  Why not make it simple and none of the police bend their knee?  See, simple isn't it?  Why do police have to bend a knee to a violent criminal anyway who held a gun to the belly of a pregnant woman whilst his friends ransacked his house?

If you play with fire, you get burned.

I don't care to read about your politics. I come to this forum to read and share information directly relating to the disappearance of Madeleine Beth McCann. Moderator?