The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

sallypelt wrote:Shall I go and clean out my car? There's a disgusting smell in the boot. I don't think there's been any dirty nappies stored in there, but maybe blood has leaked from a groceries I bought back in February, when I last went to a supermarket.

Very drole!

Nah, go bake some more patsies - very ferapootick is baking, especially if you get to eat it afterwards.

PeterMac wrote:


 This a graphic of the movements between 9.05pm and 9.55pm
ACCORDING TO THEM !
They are not in order to avoid the lines crossing, but the order is shown in Blue

9 movements between 9.05 and 9.55
Tapas to 5A patio door 1:30s
Tapas to 5A front door = 2 minutes
Tapas to 5C and 5D, opening locked door, checking children, and return ?  Probably closer to 10 minutes than to 5
Credible ?
Or a ghastly mess because no one worked it out on a bit of paper ripped out of a Sticker Book ?

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This is a fascinating, brilliant graphic.

So the actual timings would be roughly this, based on their evidence (stated purpose of visit added):

1 GM to 5A - 9.05 - Check on 3 children - all there - Madeleine looked beautiful
2 JT to 5C - 9.05 Check on children - did not see Gerry talking to Jez Wilkins, saw Tannerman/Sagresman/Julian Totman
3 GM returns to table 9.20 - Delayed by talking to Jez Wilklns, some of Tapas 7 say maybe switched on telly to look at Liverpool match  
4 JT returns to table 9.25 - Having seen Tannerman etc.
5= ROB to 5C 9.30 - Check on his children, one of whom is very sick, puts the washing machine on to clean clothes and bedding
5= MO to 5D 9.30 - Check on his children and Gerry's children, looks through door of children's room in 5A, not sure if he saw Madeleine, noticed 'a bit more light'
7 MO via 5A returns to table - 9.35
8 JT to 5C - 9.35 - To relieve ROB from caring for sick child  
9 ROB returns to table - 9.45 - JT has got back to 5C to look after sick child so that he can go back and finish his dinner 
10 KM to 5A - 9.55 to 10.00 - Check on all three children, finds only two. Alarm raised

MaddieMay13YEARS wrote:Morning [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] D

Who is 'poor old Trace?'

Thank you

Tracey Kandohla, affectionately known as Olive Oyl, is an errant journalist who has extensively covered (tabloid press) the disappearance of Madeleine McCann over the years. Her name and various press articles feature heavily here on CMOMM.

Even the widgets you will see to the right of your post.

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Tony Bennett wrote:

PeterMac wrote:


 This a graphic of the movements between 9.05pm and 9.55pm
ACCORDING TO THEM !
They are not in order to avoid the lines crossing, but the order is shown in Blue

9 movements between 9.05 and 9.55
Tapas to 5A patio door 1:30s
Tapas to 5A front door = 2 minutes
Tapas to 5C and 5D, opening locked door, checking children, and return ?  Probably closer to 10 minutes than to 5
Credible ?
Or a ghastly mess because no one worked it out on a bit of paper ripped out of a Sticker Book ?

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This is a fascinating, brilliant graphic.

So the actual timings would be roughly this, based on their evidence (stated purpose of visit added):

[Edited to amend 5C to 5D and 5D to 5B]

1 GM to 5A - 9.05 - Check on 3 children - all there - Madeleine looked beautiful
2 JT to 5D - 9.05 Check on children - did not see Gerry talking to Jez Wilkins, saw Tannerman/Sagresman/Julian Totman
3 GM returns to table 9.20 - Delayed by talking to Jez Wilklns, some of Tapas 7 say maybe switched on telly to look at Liverpool match  
4 JT returns to table 9.25 - Having seen Tannerman etc.
5= ROB to 5D 9.30 - Check on his children, one of whom is very sick, puts the washing machine on to clean clothes and bedding
5= MO to 5B 9.30 - Check on his children and Gerry's children, looks through door of children's room in 5A, not sure if he saw Madeleine, noticed 'a bit more light'
7 MO via 5A returns to table - 9.35
8 JT to 5D - 9.35 - To relieve ROB from caring for sick child  
9 ROB returns to table - 9.45 - JT has got back to 5C to look after sick child so that he can go back and finish his dinner 
10 KM to 5A - 9.55 to 10.00 - Check on all three children, finds only two. Alarm raised

The Liverpool match was on the 2nd not the 3rd - as posted elsewhere the 3rd featured non British teams.

The Media reports suggest that Christian B may soon be linked to every unsolved crime in Europe!  If responsible, he appears to break several criminal profiling rules with his wildly varying choice of victim and means of operating in keeping with rare abominations like Ricardo Ramirez.   Though stories are conveniently emerging regarding his childhood that are wholly textbook; abandoned by his birth mother, cruelly disciplined (abused) by his adopted father, then abandoned again by his adopted parents.  The Sun are running a story from a former classmate who describes CB as a "twisted loner" hated by the pupils and the teachers! I will not be surprised if it is soon reported that he wet the bed, tortured the family pet and set light to the "care" home he was put in, where he was, no doubt, sexually abused!  If this man is not in fact a monster, the Press seem help bent on painting him so in the most cliched of terms.  It will not surprise me that when the squalid shack's grounds are excavated unearthed will be the remains of Lord Lucan alongside Shergar.

If CB is responsible for all that is being suggested how has he managed to escape justice for so long?  It appears he has been convicted of sex crimes against minors, yet time spent in prison for said crimes , as reported, has been breathtakingly brief.  

He has been sentenced to seven years for the rape and torture of an elderly woman, but is appealing that conviction.  He is incarcerated on a drugs conviction, not the rape, which most papers are repeatedly wrongly reporting.   I am struggling to understand how a convicted rapist can have grounds for appeal when there reportedly exists video tape evidence of him actually committing the crime! Perhaps it is due to legal technicalities.  

This man appears to have been breaking the law since his teens, he is a career criminal.  The reporting suggests there is is not much, crime wise, CB has not committed.  Why then, has this man been able to escape justice, for so long, been able to offend, across Europe?  Either the German, Portuguese, British, and now Belgian Police are all wholly inept, or CB is either an incredibly lucky and/or brilliantly clever criminal.  The fact CB has spent time in prison, and reportedly admitted involvement in MM to a third party, and reportedly shared incriminating video evidence to the same third party suggests he is not a criminal mastermind able to outwit four (to date) European police forces.  Something stinks.  

CB was a child once, a small child, abandoned by his birth mother, then abandoned again by his adoptive parents, actions which in some degree undeniably made him the man he is today.  Monster, or fallguy, CB was "let down" by those whose job it was to protect him when he was a vulnerable child.  How grotesquely ironic, supposing CB, is guilty of taking MM; a monster shaped by IMO piddle poor parenting, snatches an innocent made accessible, (for 20/25 minutes) by IMO piddle poor parenting!    It all stinks.

Carole Tramner said they left Mrs Fenn at approx., 18.30 because it was dusk and it gets dark very quickly in Portugal at that time of the year.  Fiona Payne was asked if it was light or dark when she went for her run, returning at approx., 20.00, she did not answer specifically, instead rambled on about the pleasant change in the weather that day.  Can someone help me with this?

Eastree27 wrote:Charlotte Pennington once said the twins were not in the room at 22.05 I believe. Likely IMO to be a truth she snuck out among her lies.

Charlotte Pennington is a fantasist. Her word is not worth the ink.

crispbee2000 wrote:Can I go back to an earlier post I made? > On the very first post in this thread there is mention that OG were looking at CB and "and a second, perhaps lesser, undisclosed theory which is said to be the subject of a delicate operation overseas".

Does anyone have any idea about this "delicate operation overseas" that OG mentions. It's obviously not directly connected to this current side-show around CB.

Yes, it's a tabloid press report.

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There's quite another possibility to consider.

If the theory is correct that (a) Madeleine died Sunday and that (b) Catriona Baker, the creche nanny, may have fully co-operated in a forgery of the creche records in order to 'prove' that Madeleine was alive throughout the week...

...THEN, it is probable that OC/Mark Warner senior management may have been made aware as early as Sunday night that Madeleine had died and therefore co-operated with the alleged abduction hoax.  

If that is the case, then OC/Mark Warner would be well prepared for the moment when the McCanns raised the alarm on Thursday.

If anyone is skeptical about such a suggestion, please remember this:

1 Mark Warner was represented by the now-disgraced multinational PR firm Bell Pottinger, to whom the McCanns are said to have paid £500,000 'to keep Madeleine on the front pages for a year"

2 According to a Press Gazette article, the Director and Deputy Director of a Bell Pottinger subsidiary, Resonate, sent themselves to Praia da Luz (or were sent by a higher authority) the week before Madeleine was reported missing       

3 Resonate say they went out there to do 'a routine audit'

4 But handily, when news broke of Madeleine going missing, the Press Gazette reported that the two top Resonate staff stayed on for a couple of weeks at least, afterwards, to "help with liaison between the British and Portuguese Police and Ambassadors" etc. (not exact words but something very similar)

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Eastree27 wrote:Just heard Jim Gamble implying the disturbed burglary led to him committing pedophilia as a plausible theory. Really - is that so the negligent parenting can be excused even further.

Just heard with no proof or source isn't helpful.

None of this is helpful Liz, none of this is helpful.

All it's achieved is the desired effect - distraction!

Social distancing is much more fun.

crispbee2000 wrote:Can I go back to an earlier post I made?..."and a second, perhaps lesser, undisclosed theory which is said to be the subject of a delicate operation overseas".

Does anyone have any idea about this "delicate operation overseas" that OG mentions. It's obviously not directly connected to this current side-show around CB.

It might have been "the woman in purple" from Bulgaria. There were lots of media stories about her: 'hoped-for breakthrough' etc. etc.

The police ('Maddie detectives') were 'scouring Bulgaria'

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Verdi wrote:

Liz Eagles wrote:

Eastree27 wrote:Just heard Jim Gamble implying the disturbed burglary led to him committing pedophilia as a plausible theory. Really - is that so the negligent parenting can be excused even further.

Just heard with no proof or source isn't helpful.

None of this is helpful Liz, none of this is helpful.

All it's achieved is the desired effect - distraction!

Social distancing is much more fun.

It was on BBC radio news from Thursday ( I am a few days behind catching up with each day's bulletin)

When looking for written quotes I found this article from the Mirror.

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Madeleine McCann investigator fears German pervert could be linked to three other victims
EXCLUSIVE: Jim Gamble has revealed that he thinks Christian Brueckner could be linked to three other youngsters, including a five-year-old girl who vanished in 2015

An ex-Madeleine McCann cop fears that Christian Brueckner could be linked to at least three other unsolved child horrors.
Jim Gamble said Brueckner could be responsible for some of Europe’s most harrowing missing child cases.
Yesterday, detectives were “re-examining” the murder of German teenager Carola Titze, who was killed on holiday in Belgium in July 1996.
And German police are now looking into whether Brueckner is linked to the mysterious disappearance of Inga Gehricke, five, – in Saxony-Anhalt in May 2015.
Last night, the dad of a third child, Rene Hasee, age six, also demanded answers – nearly 24 years after he vanished from a beach in the Algarve.

Andreas Hasee told the Sunday Mirror that police contacted him after Brueckner was named as a suspect, adding: “I have no doubt Maddie and Rene’s cases are linked. The police are looking again at my son’s disappearance.

“He was a lovely boy, my first child, and I will never get over what happened. I think of him every day and imagine what sort of man he would have been.”
Rene, from Elsdorg, western Germany, was on holiday with his family in Aljezur, 25 miles from Praia da Luz, when he vanished on June 21, 1996.

He had been running ahead of his mother and stepfather during a walk on the beach when they lost sight of him. His clothes were later found, and authorities speculated that he drowned in an accident.
Police in Portugal failed to carry out any proper searches of the sea for two days.
Andreas said: ”They were convinced he went into the water, but I know in my heart he didn’t. He was taken. The police investigation was not through enough and I see the similarities with what happened to Maddie.”

Last night, Mr Gamble – the former head of the National Crime Agency’s child unit –said Brueckner is a “driven sexual predator”.
He said: “When you’re tracking someone of this nature, what’s critical to remember is there’s never only one offence.

“The nature of these people and the way they are driven towards offending, you don’t get a one-off offender.

“You can see is he has offended against girls and against older women. So he has no particular preference, he is a driven and motivated sexual predator.

“There is a huge likelihood they would have offended there multiple times.”
International police forces are liaising as more evidence comes to light after Brueckner was unmasked as the prime suspect in the disappearance of Maddie.

Tony Bennett wrote:

crispbee2000 wrote:Can I go back to an earlier post I made?..."and a second, perhaps lesser, undisclosed theory which is said to be the subject of a delicate operation overseas".

Does anyone have any idea about this "delicate operation overseas" that OG mentions. It's obviously not directly connected to this current side-show around CB.

It might have been "the woman in purple" from Bulgaria. There were lots of media stories about her: 'hoped-for breakthrough' etc. etc.

The police ('Maddie detectives') were 'scouring Bulgaria'

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Am I correct in thinking Jane Tanner was suspected on here to be her due to possibly wearing purple on the night of the 3rd. Or have I misunderstood that?

Eastree27 wrote:

Verdi wrote:

Eastree27 wrote:But it is going to be used to tie it up and probably force PM Costa to offer a public grovelling apology or some nonsense.

Is it?

Yes - too much covverage for this to just fade out and not be leading somewhere.

The various Police Forces have known about Breuckner for years. IMO for what it's worth, if they had any real concrete evidence against him that could prove he was definitely there, how he got in, how he got out, how he did it exactly etc. then he would have been charged a long time ago. My guess is they haven't got any. 

 Circumstantial evidence and alot of ifs, buts, maybe's and might have is about it. I can't see this leading anywhere really. Just my opinion, i could be wrong of course.

Hilarious.
even Edgar, part of the Pigeon-Loft Two is having grave doubts.
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A FORMER RUC detective who spent three years hunting for Madeleine McCann last night insisted she could still be alive - and urged the world: "Don't jump to conclusions about the guilt of the new suspect."
As German prosecutors stated they believe Maddie is dead after being abducted by paedophile Christian Brückner, ex-RUC detective Dave Edgar said there is still no "hard evidence" the youngster was murdered or that the convicted rapist and child abuser was involved.

Well quite so, Officer. There is also no "hard evidence", as you call it, that there was an Abduction.
Why don't you mention that ?

Whereas the strange sacked head of CEOPS insists she may still be alive.

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A former detective from Northern Ireland who has played a central role in the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance believes she could still be alive.
Jim Gamble said he disagreed with German prosecutors, who fear Madeleine is dead and are investigating a child sex predator on suspicion of her murder.

Aww bless Brunt, he can't nip over to France and busk on the pavements there after his shameful doorstepping of Brenda Leyland.

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Assuming we are going to be hearing of searches in Foral and elsewhere, it was good of the UK media to let us know before anything was organised with the PJ.

PeterMac wrote:Hilarious.
even Edgar, part of the Pigeon-Loft Two is having grave doubts.
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A FORMER RUC detective who spent three years hunting for Madeleine McCann last night insisted she could still be alive - and urged the world: "Don't jump to conclusions about the guilt of the new suspect."
As German prosecutors stated they believe Maddie is dead after being abducted by paedophile Christian Brückner, ex-RUC detective Dave Edgar said there is still no "hard evidence" the youngster was murdered or that the convicted rapist and child abuser was involved.

Well quite so, Officer. There is also no "hard evidence", as you call it, that there was an Abduction.
Why don't you mention that ?

the hills Peter, the lawless hills.... 

Jill Havern wrote:

PeterMac wrote:Hilarious.
even Edgar, part of the Pigeon-Loft Two is having grave doubts.
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A FORMER RUC detective who spent three years hunting for Madeleine McCann last night insisted she could still be alive - and urged the world: "Don't jump to conclusions about the guilt of the new suspect."
As German prosecutors stated they believe Maddie is dead after being abducted by paedophile Christian Brückner, ex-RUC detective Dave Edgar said there is still no "hard evidence" the youngster was murdered or that the convicted rapist and child abuser was involved.

Well quite so, Officer. There is also no "hard evidence", as you call it, that there was an Abduction.
Why don't you mention that ?

the hills Peter, the lawless hills.... 

Them thar hills.

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Assuming we are going to be hearing of searches in Foral and elsewhere, it was good of the UK media to let us know before anything was organised with the PJ.

No authority is digging up any soil.

crusader wrote:5c was an empty apartment. 5a- McCann's  5b -Oldfield's  5c empty  5d- Obriens

My Mistake.
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AND TB, the timings have to take account of the time taken to enter, check child/ren, exit and return.
So they should look more like this

So the actual timings would be roughly this, based on their evidence (stated purpose of visit added):

[Edited to amend 5C to 5D and 5D to 5B]

1 GM to 5A - 9.05 - Check on 3 children - all there - Madeleine looked beautiful - bathroom, exit and talks to JW
2 JT to 5D - 9.10 Check on children - DID see Gerry talking to Jez Wilkins, saw Tannerman/Sagresman/Julian Totman. 9.10 - GM is now outside.  They don't see her however.
3 GM returns to table 9.20 - Delayed by talking to Jez Wilklns, some of Tapas 7 say maybe switched on telly to look at Liverpool match  
4 JT returns to table 9.25 - Having seen Tannerman etc.
5= ROB to 5D 9.30 - Check on his children, one of whom is very sick, puts the washing machine on to clean clothes and bedding
5= MO  to 5B 9.30 - Check on his children, then speaks to ROB, then goes through 5A patio doors and up stairs to check Gerry's children, looks through door of children's room in 5A, not sure if he saw Madeleine, noticed 'a bit more light'
from this point it makes no sense at all, and may explain why they refused to do a reconstruction. It seems impossible
7 MO via 5A returns to table - 9.40 - at the earliest.
8 JT to 5D - 9.35  - To relieve ROB from caring for sick child  This must have been 9.40+. MO visited THREE apartments and entered them all before returning
9 ROB returns to table - 9.45 - JT has got back to 5C to look after sick child so that he can go back and finish his dinner  This must have been 9.50 at the earliest
10 KM to 5A - 9.55 to 10.00 - Check on all three children, finds only two. Alarm raised

Liz Eagles wrote:

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Assuming we are going to be hearing of searches in Foral and elsewhere, it was good of the UK media to let us know before anything was organised with the PJ.

No authority is digging up any soil.

They might if one of two things can happen.

1. No body is found
2. A body can be said to be found but no Portuguese autopsy is allowed to cover up why it could not appear in 2007.

Well all the " ex top cops " have got their names in the media and their fingers in the pie !

Williams Thomas , Gamble and Edgar . Who's next ? 
 
A very rough looking Clarence , Brunt searching for a doorstep , all the usual " suspects " 

The looking for their five minutes of fame bandwagon jumpers all with a negative story to tell about C.B . 

The crucial witnesses from 13 years ago who caught a glimpse of a man , but now shown a photo can say " yes that's him , that's the man I saw " .

Like [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has said (anti) social distancing is beginning to sound more fun !!!

Liz Eagles wrote:No authority is digging up any soil.

I don't know. The last time there were digs, it was based on 'someone hearing people talking in the road'. They're giving a lot more basis this time round, even if the digs would be for show or another Barkas situation.

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Assuming we are going to be hearing of searches in Foral and elsewhere, it was good of the UK media to let us know before anything was organised with the PJ.

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His article is suspicious.

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Surely the line wont be CB  and another woman involved?

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Assuming we are going to be hearing of searches in Foral and elsewhere, it was good of the UK media to let us know before anything was organised with the PJ.

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His article is suspicious.

If the German police have these two vehicles where is the forensic evidence to allow them to pursue a conviction and why has this become a media fest?