Alternative Theorizing

Silentscope wrote:Regardless of “Smithman” and his Status, can it be established that the Group WAS DEFINITELY at the Tapas Bar on Tuesday night?

Yes!!!

Many witnesses place them at that area, including one lady called Najoua Chekaya who said was invited by the Tapas 9 to join their group for a drink, not to mention the documents which show the reservations made at that restaurant.

With all due respect Silentscope, have you actually researched the case? If you haven't, what is the point of posting on this forum, if you have no knowledge of the case?

pauloalexandre wrote:

Verdi wrote:This Genre of internet myth and Gossip NEEDS to be nipped in the Bud before it grows Stalks.

Disinformation will always exist. 

There's nothing we can do about it except to fight against it, whenever the opportunity arises.

Indeed - but not here on CMOMM.

It's taken years to get where we are today and I sure ain't going to let it slip back to days of old.

Over time, you wise up to the genuine v. non-genuine and I can say with confidence, I am seldom if ever wrong - although I say so myself..  Might sound a bit arrogant but nonetheless a statement of fact.

Silentscope wrote:Regardless of “Smithman” and his Status, can it be established that the Group WAS DEFINITELY at the Tapas Bar on Tuesday night?

In Mrs Fenns crying Statement it is not clear from where the Parents returned. Were they called back by OC STAFF from the Tapas Bar - or did they just arrive from somewhere?

The Tapas Booking could have been “Back dated” to cover them, or is this impossible for some reason that has already been established?

Now what the hell are you talking about Silentscope?

Admittedly, this thread is a place to post 'Unorthodox Theorizing' but please make some sense and don't be surprised if you are challenged.

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Your approach to this case is so half-hearted.  If you have a serious interest then I strongly advise that you read and absorb before making trite comments about everything and nothing.

In your very short membership here, some while ago you said goodbye to the forum  having been satisfied that the German prisoner was not involved in any way with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, so said you.  It wasn't long before you returned with more of the same vacillating commentary on the subject and I hasten to add, moving on to the case of Madeleine McCann's disappearance in general.

Talk for talk sake seems to be your maxim - gut feeling tells me you are playing games.

No problem in itself but it would be extremely helpful if you could drop the garden fence gossip in favour of fact, evidence and informed commentary.  Looking for what ifs and maybes leads nowhere.

That is what CMOMM is about.

I've just popped in for a quick look as I am snowed under with various things.
So will just add my tuppenceworth.
With this thread being for "unorthodox theorizing," I would expect to read unothodox theories.
I don't think people should be shot down for it.
I have an unorthodox theory myself - I don't think I am right with it, but I think it's an outside possibility.
Would dare post it here though!

Go for it L de B, or get someone to do it for you - you know you want to

Lance De Boils wrote:I've just popped in for a quick look as I am snowed under with various things.
So will just add my tuppenceworth.
With this thread being for "unorthodox theorizing," I would expect to read unothodox theories.
I don't think people should be shot down for it.
I have an unorthodox theory myself - I don't think I am right with it, but I think it's an outside possibility.
Would dare post it here though!

sharonl wrote:

Lance De Boils wrote:I've just popped in for a quick look as I am snowed under with various things.
So will just add my tuppenceworth.
With this thread being for "unorthodox theorizing," I would expect to read unothodox theories.
I don't think people should be shot down for it.
I have an unorthodox theory myself - I don't think I am right with it, but I think it's an outside possibility.
Would dare post it here though!

I have a handful of hypotheses. But I need to gather evidence to prove or disprove each one. I've managed to narrow the number down as the result of excellent research by members here.
I do not KNOW what happened to Maddie or where she is now. I've never said otherwise.

"I have an unorthodox theory myself."

So what is your theory?

Suppose Kate was telling the truth about there being two pairs of Eyore pyjamas - Madeleine's and Amelie's. I can find no reason to disbelieve her on this. Why else would she call attention and be aware of the differing necklines? Surely we only talk about and describe with accuracy and confidence that which we are familiar with? We know that Kate wanted to keep the pair she did like she kept cuddle cat and the pink blanket; all three being highly significant items belonging to Madeleine and, the pyjamas, potentially being the last item of clothing Madeleine wore.  But if this is so she now has the dilemma of what to do with the other pair. To achieve this she is now going to need to pass off Madeleine's as Amelie's and lose the 'abducted' pair. 

'Smithman' as the abductor theory falls down on the supposed sighting of a pyjama clad child being. I suggest that the plausibility of this sighting might not be quite so illogical then if the pyjamas were switched in order to achieve it.  

Another observation surrounding this is when Amelie is supposedly dressed in her sister's pyjamas by Kate. I do not think that this occasion if indeed it occurred would have been the time when the child first enquired as to the whereabouts of her sister as this delicate subject would I feel have surely been raised and addressed in the days beforehand. In my opinion, and as Bluebag also mentioned in a post a while ago, that the child noticed that the pyjamas were her sisters and not hers. In view of this, it seems more probable to me then that instead of saying "Maddie's Jammies, where's Maddie?" 
That what she more likely said is "Maddies Jammies, where's mine?"

Im new and i can't put links.. everybody go to Bitchute and search the video that has the title "THESE PEOPLE ARE SICK!"
 
/video/eSkDwFpp3Ypj

Steven Spielberg has or had two islands close to Portugal. Youtube deleted videos of a couple of people saying that he put pedophile stuff in his movies

I heard that the Kubrick movie Artificial Intelligence would be about pedophilia, thats why a children robot, but Spielberg changed the story to something that didn't make sense.. what parents would want a child robot that never would grow up, leave the house and marry?. If that is true, i think in the original story he wants to become a human like Pinocchio because that means he would grow up and escape the abuse 

Something curious is that Epstein has a connection with the AI stuff

FlatEarth wrote:Steven Spielberg has or had two islands close to Portugal. Youtube deleted videos of a couple of people saying that he put pedophile stuff in his movies

I heard that the Kubrick movie Artificial Intelligence would be about pedophilia, thats why a children robot, but Spielberg changed the story to something that didn't make sense.. what parents would want a child robot that never would grow up, leave the house and marry?. If that is true, i think in the original story he wants to become a human like Pinocchio because that means he would grow up and escape the abuse 

Something curious is that Epstein has a connection with the AI stuff

What has any of this got to do with the subject matter of the thread?

FlatEarth wrote:Im new and i can't put links.. everybody go to Bitchute and search the video that has the title "THESE PEOPLE ARE SICK!"
 
/video/eSkDwFpp3Ypj

FlatEarth

Could you please give more detail.

A lot of people don't like clicking on links without knowing where they are going.

Thanks.

Verdi wrote:

FlatEarth wrote:Steven Spielberg has or had two islands close to Portugal. Youtube deleted videos of a couple of people saying that he put pedophile stuff in his movies

I heard that the Kubrick movie Artificial Intelligence would be about pedophilia, thats why a children robot, but Spielberg changed the story to something that didn't make sense.. what parents would want a child robot that never would grow up, leave the house and marry?. If that is true, i think in the original story he wants to become a human like Pinocchio because that means he would grow up and escape the abuse 

Something curious is that Epstein has a connection with the AI stuff

What has any of this got to do with the subject matter of the thread?

She disappeared in Portugal

I forget to say that i heard that the Pinocchio story is actually about pedophilia, and Kubrick maybe knew about that

Verdi wrote:

FlatEarth wrote:Im new and i can't put links.. everybody go to Bitchute and search the video that has the title "THESE PEOPLE ARE SICK!"
 
/video/eSkDwFpp3Ypj

 FlatEarth

Could you please give more detail.

A lot of people don't like clicking on links without knowing where they are going.

Thanks.

English is not my native language btw

Is a little girl crying saying to his grandma that somebody is molesting her and his mom knows and she is on in it, also the grandma is on in it.. it seems

FlatEarth wrote:

Verdi wrote:

FlatEarth wrote:Steven Spielberg has or had two islands close to Portugal. Youtube deleted videos of a couple of people saying that he put pedophile stuff in his movies

I heard that the Kubrick movie Artificial Intelligence would be about pedophilia, thats why a children robot, but Spielberg changed the story to something that didn't make sense.. what parents would want a child robot that never would grow up, leave the house and marry?. If that is true, i think in the original story he wants to become a human like Pinocchio because that means he would grow up and escape the abuse 

Something curious is that Epstein has a connection with the AI stuff

What has any of this got to do with the subject matter of the thread?

She disappeared in Portugal

I forget to say that i heard that the Pinocchio story is actually about pedophilia, and Kubrick maybe knew about that

She? Who sir is she sir?

None the wiser.

Posts moved before being assigned to garbage.

[quote="FlatEarth"][quote="Verdi"]

FlatEarth wrote:Im new and i can't put links.. everybody go to Bitchute and search the video that has the title "THESE PEOPLE ARE SICK!"
 
/video/eSkDwFpp3Ypj

 FlatEarth

Could you please give more detail.

A lot of people don't like clicking on links without knowing where they are going.

Thanks.

Flat Earth wrote:Is a little girl crying saying to his grandma that somebody is molesting her and his mom knows and she is on in it, also the grandma is on in it.. it seems

English is not my native language btw.

Nonsense is the same in any language btw.

Topic moved to more appropriate place pending garbage.

Verdi wrote:

FlatEarth wrote:

Verdi wrote:

FlatEarth wrote:Im new and i can't put links.. everybody go to Bitchute and search the video that has the title "THESE PEOPLE ARE SICK!"
 
/video/eSkDwFpp3Ypj

 FlatEarth

Could you please give more detail.

A lot of people don't like clicking on links without knowing where they are going.

Thanks.

Flat Earth wrote:Is a little girl crying saying to his grandma that somebody is molesting her and his mom knows and she is on in it, also the grandma is on in it.. it seems

English is not my native language btw.

Nonsense is the same in any language btw.

Topic moved to more appropriate place pending garbage.

Why that reaction man? that little girl needs our help, we need to know who she is, where she lives and talk to the autorithies

FlatEarth wrote:

Verdi wrote:

FlatEarth wrote:

Verdi wrote:

FlatEarth wrote:Im new and i can't put links.. everybody go to Bitchute and search the video that has the title "THESE PEOPLE ARE SICK!"
 
/video/eSkDwFpp3Ypj

 FlatEarth

Could you please give more detail.

A lot of people don't like clicking on links without knowing where they are going.

Thanks.

Flat Earth wrote:Is a little girl crying saying to his grandma that somebody is molesting her and his mom knows and she is on in it, also the grandma is on in it.. it seems

English is not my native language btw.

Nonsense is the same in any language btw.

Topic moved to a more appropriate place pending garbage.

Why that reaction man? that little girl needs our help, we need to know who she is, where she lives and talk to the autorithies

This is not a place for jokers FlatEarth and I'm in no mood for humouring you.  Now go away you silly little person.



Mind you don't fall off the edge ....



FlatEarth has left the building!

I have a handful or more unorthodox theories.

If I post, please could you debunk the outlandish/impossible ones based on the included facts of the matter.

I'm really interested.

Lance De Boils wrote:I have a handful or more unorthodox theories.

If I post, please could you debunk the outlandish/impossible ones based on the included facts of the matter.

I'm really interested.

Carry on LDB but post them on this thread please.

Before I start, I'd like to make it clear that I have no idea what happened to Madeleine. I have no inside knowledge of that. So this is all my imagination and nothing more. Please shoot me down.

Also, before I enter the silly realm, take it for granted that I believe the little girl's body could never have been risked to be found for reasons unknown. (Again, we can only theorise.)

At the risk of having to assume my other moniker, 'Mythy' again, I was watching Friday's video of the day, and Madeleine appears at 4:31 dressed in a mermaid costume. I have previously suggested that the unknown blue patch in the make-up photo might be part of a dressing up dress. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] The Mystery of the Make-up photo and was it taken on the same day as the last photo? Could this be the tail end of that, I wonder, and perhaps the end of the tale? The colour is strikingly similar.
 Which leads me onto what might be a clue to her final resting place - the place where little mermaids reside?

Hello everyone,
Firstly, fantastic work everyone; incredible research! I join this pretty late as I'm researching the wider topic of Paedophiles in Power, one nation [actually quite a few!] under blackmail [the author looks at all the dirty money laundering : Jeffrey Epsteins first career BTW before Paedo blackmail ops]
I look at Psyops - lets start with 9/11, the precursor 'practice run' to this was the JonBennetRamsey case ------- as someone here correctly surmises about Maddie McCann --that was a trial run using CGI to see how gulible the Americans would be in the run up to planned 9/11 with Muslims as the 'terrorirists' - they real terroists ofcourse are our Governments- the Mil Industrial Complex and the Inteligence Agencies who actually in conjuction with Mafia and other criminal players run ALL drugs/arms and child sex trafficking
They also supply children to be abused by paedophiles and film the heinious horrific abuse to blackmail thise in power. 
Peter Mandelson "Mandy" was behind the scenes with his paws all over the management of the Maddy case---Mitchel [highly likely Intel Asset] was front of this house party but Mandy was in charge and dispatched the diplomats etc. It coulb be he was burying bad news......Gordon Brown about to take over did not need any scandals errupting as he just took office.............
We know the options are:
a) someone close to Madeleine, a tragic accident covered up, [but why would the British Government get so invested/involved and for so long?
b) Madeleine was snatched to order by a German Paedophile ring [hence the German patsy story which is just close it down nonsense] for a top EU official ----this is the version put foreward by Michael Shimpton ---he says and he advised UK Government that her photo and two others flashed up as children to be/ or had been stolen to order by a German paedo ring destined to Brussels/EU and that Madeleine was on a boat heading to Morocco -----Peter Mandelson is on the RAINS list thats SRA victims disclosing to the theraphist who put names on said list if 2 or more survivors raised it. The RAINS list alledges that Mandelson procured and provided children to Paedophiles at the EU/Brussels....Maddie was destined for one very high up. So UK Government have to get in on the ground to totally manage the narrative and bury this really bad news. This makes plenty of sense although some of Michael's loose ends dont quite tie up - ergo he says the Maddie photo was taken at Sagres beach and that line is deemed here Nino L et all to be a red herring...............? Putting Michaels version together with report that her disappearance and Missing photo hit the CEOP Online site before May 3rd [as many here say as does Richard ---she dissapeared earlier - well the wayback machine proves this....] So this looks pretty plausible ----particularly as the Lisbon Treaty was due December 2003 re the EU!
c) However the 3rd possibility when you really get down rabbit holes [I am and I do, and previous posts re CV1984 being a Psyop I agree!] The whole Maddie affair maybe a construct --an official contruct called a Govt.LARP that's a government [ie run by Intelligence agencies] Live Action Role Play ------ all the contradictions false trails are DELIBERATE, they precisely set things up this ways- mixing truth lies and disinformation.......so the narrative can run and run .....and we are divided [Portugal vs UK anyone] UK police vs PJ and thousands of hours of speculation to distract us.....as a UK MP said to her press office re 9/11.....'Today is an excellent day to bury bad news.' Indeed........LARPS use actors, operatives fake events.............to creat plot twists the characters have a script but they can wing it to some extent.......
so they'll have placed people into The Ocean Club and into the narrative to confuse/partly confirm info but essentially always to sow doubt and confusion.........

Just my initial thoughts which I haven't fully fleshed out - Mid Wars [Michael Aquino] Psyops the new info wars ---and guess who the enemy is in 2020 [and indeed in the massive coordinated False Flag event 9/11 was and CV19 is....] 
Tavistock-Rockerfella Foundation ----Nudge Units---Propaganda...MKUltra run by CIA...MKMontark allegedly Military Intelligence 
Was Madeleine McCann's a UK govt.Larp?

Hello again ClarityCalling, I believe I've already welcomed you to CMOMM back when you first joined earlier last year so I won't go there again but again, thank you for those kind words about the forum.



This latest post of yours is 'far out' as they said back in the 1960s - I've left out man with due respect for your identity

At present there is little or no consistency in what you say, as regards the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, beyond the pale springs to mind

Having said that, you are of course at liberty to air your views as a member here on CMMOM, no matter how bizarre but don't be surprised if your views are robustly challenged.

Your narrative doesn't appear to be directly relevant to this particular thread so I will move it in due course, unless you can justify why you think it appropriate.  If I don't hear further from you I will move to the 'Unorthodox Theorizing' thread.  Just to let you know!

Hello,
the original thread was I believe and as I commented on, was about the very large number of UK Government officials/agencies who swarmed on PdeL -- this is highly irregular and unusual plus very significant and HAS NOT been satisfactorily explained despite almost almost two decades of extensive research.
Richard D Hall did attempt to suggest that the McCann's were Intel assets assisting with IRA arms dealers --it didnt quite ring true for me. But this Government element -the raison d'etre has to be explored .....politicians invariably act concetedly only in their utmost vested interests. Blair slapped a 100 year D-Notice under official secrets act on all the Dunblane shooting [ritual sacrifice of 15 primary school children and their teacher] files,He, the perp Thomas Hamilton was a paedophile Freemason running a procurement pedo ring. Why? Were Labour Minister[s], Lords. Judiciary, Royalty.....implicated?

So, as mentioned I research paedophila in power, psyops, false flags, controlled opposition, Mind Control programs eg MKUltra and Government Larps [Live action role plays] these things are factual and sadly very real.

I simply mention gov.Larp as a possibility for further consideration in the McCann event as it has many hallmarks of false trails, contradictions and looks like a scripted construct in many respects.  It is not 'unorthadox Theorising' just being open to another angle/line of enquiry. It is entirely usual for Inteligence agencies to plant evidence, frame people [effectively thats what Jane Tanner did] deflect, lie, mislead ---that's there job and stock in trade - they also 'suicide' out anyone getting too close to the truth so we need to look at Amaral's cousin who was shot[murdered] in London and the Private Detective Co owner who 'suicided'out in his Surrey mansion. When Kate said 'officers must have planted blood and cadaveur samples in 5A and the hire car' she may be right! Who instructed them to have all the photos uploaded, phones wiped? This is exactly the sort of thing M16 and Secret Service do! Also, there was a letter in the PJ files where they got wind that a [British special ops] team were coming in to 'clean up' for the McCann's....
The McCanns even had Special Agents carrying their suitcases!!!

Anywy , food for thought

OK, fair comment.

The 'Unorthodox Theorizing' thread was originally intended as a dumping ground for baseless commentary, a sort of paradoxical play on words - as your contribution so far indicates, hence my suggestion.

However, in the interest of forum harmony, I don't wish to cause offence, I will change the thread title to 'Alternative Theorizing' and move your posts over in due course.

Whatever your purpose, your commentary does not directly concern the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the suggestion that a large number of government officials/agents swarmed Luz - immediately dispatched as the heading suggests, is a bit of an exaggeration. There can be no denying the case collected a lot of debris over the months and years but to imply Luz was swamped (my word) by high officials, agencies, whatever else, in the beginning is factually incorrect.

Feel free to keep feeding the thought!