Re: Tapas 9 Russel O'Brien

by **Tony Bennett** 23.10.16 22:25

kaz wrote:First of all I'd like to point out that I don't have a static theory about this case and am open to any other contributor's ideas. I agree that there is a good case for something happening to Madeleine before Thursday but I am not totally convinced.

REPLY: Thank you for explaining. We are all here for the truth. I think the solution to becoming convinced that a major incident occurred much earlier in the week is to read and re-read the major contributions made by long-term researchers like PeterMac (date of Last Photo) and HideHo (lack of credible sightings after Sunday) and of course the very detailed arguments put forward in Richard Hall's third film. And without mentioning any particular CMOMM member by name, you will no doubt have seen many other posters on here who agree with their views.

Another point to bear in mind is the illusionist's trick which is "Look over there, don't look here".

Take the killing of Stuart Lubbock. Even today, people speak of him as 'the boy who drowned in Michael Barrymore's swimming pool". That's because his killers deliberately created a false scenario, by opening up the outdoor swimming pool after Stuart was killed, and taking his body out to the side of the swimming pool, and - just before the ambulance and police were called, throwing some buckets of water over him and forcing water down the dead boy's throat to make it look as though he had drowned. So successful was this strategy that despite overwhelming evidence by three of the country's top pathologists that Stuart had been asphyxiated and had died from heart failure due to a vicious, violent sexual attack whilst his nose and mouth were covered, still today the media refer to him as the boy who drowned in Barrymore's pool. It's all written up in my book on the case.

Similarly with the killing of Lee Balkwell, who was murdered in a violent attack just after 12 midnight on 17/18 July 2002. He was then placed half-way into a concrete mixer which the murderers then switched on to mask his appalling injuries. The murderers - and the corrupt police who have supported them throughout - were able to plausibly claim that this was a 'tragic accident' whilst Lee and another, so it was claimed, been working on the lorry all evening until 1.03am, when the ambulance was called. This was despite every single line of evidence (CCTV and a tachograph for example) showing that work on the lorry had stopped at 9.15pm, four hours earlier.

In this case, we were being asked to look at 1.03am at the time of his death, when in fact it was an hour earlier.

In this case, we might ask: are we being asked to look at 6pm to 10pm as the time when everything happened to Madeleine, when in fact there was a major incident at a wholly different time.

As 'Roxyroo' points out the crèche records were indeed a shambles. Now if these records were just an attempt at a cover up and whatever befell Madeleine happened early in that week, wouldn't a better job have been made of it? There would have been plenty of time.

REPLY: One thing to bear in mind at all times is that Cat Baker was in sole charge of the 'Lobsters' (Madeleine's) group that week. Suppose just for one moment that there had been a major incident that week on the Sunday. We have evidence that she may already have known the McCanns. She would be in a very good position to facilitate false entries being made for the rest of the week.

Also I just can't get my head around so many people having to be liars and part of the big deception if Madeleine really did go missing at the beginning of that week.

REPLY: I am not sure that very many people would have to be involved. Suppose for the sake of argument that Cat Baker was actually hired to 'babysit' the children on the Sunday night - and suppose that (to quote Russell O'Brien) 'something terrible' or 'something tragic' happened to Madeleine on her watch. I have no evidence for this, by the way, though there is one blogger (I forget who) who tries to assert as a fact that Cat Baker really was minding the children that night.

In such a scenario, probably the only people who would need to know about and be involved in an elaborate cover-up would be Cat Baker, one very senior member of the Ocean Club (possibly the Manager) or Mark Warner - and of course the Tapas 9. Hardly anybody else would need to know, except that we do have some clear of evidence of preparation by others, Nuno Lourenco's fabricated allegation against Wojchiech Krokowski being a prime example.

That something happened early on Thursday evening makes so much more sense to me...

REPLY: But not to many very experienced Madeleine McCann researchers

...but I do appreciate  that lots of other members think differently. Until I am totally convinced, I am sitting on the fence with this one.

by G-Unit 23.10.16 22:27

Russell says he went to check the McCann children on Sunday 29th, using the unlocked patio door. He rather spoils it by saying he checked Matt's daughter using the front door keys. Of course Matt was allegedly in his apartment on Sunday night, so no check was needed. He doesn't make it clear, but things seem to have changed as the week went on. As always, you have to read between the lines. I have bolded and also added a comment in brackets;

It says ‘I checked the McCANN’s apartment’, erm, kind of implies I may have gone in. I think that I made a check to the apartments at that point, which would have been in, certainly by this point, it was generally a listen outside with the others and a check on your own”......but I think by this part of the week, certainly on my, from my, my own, [point of view?] when I went back I generally went into our apartment and then we’d just have a listen at the shutters on the others”......Certainly I didn’t end up, you know, after that first Sunday night, I don’t really recall going into the other people’s apartments with any, at all really, I think it was largely a listen to make sure all was quiet and a check on your own. And everyone was doing this, with a listen outside. So there were fairly regular listens and then slightly less regular visits inside by people, you know, individual, erm, parents.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

by Guest 23.10.16 22:38

G-Unit wrote:Russell says he went to check the McCann children on Sunday 29th, using the unlocked patio door.

In complete contradiction of other statements where they said they didn't check other people's children until May 3rd.

What's that?

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by worriedmum 23.10.16 22:44

Very 'erm' indeed...

by **Tony Bennett** 23.10.16 23:23

BlueBag wrote:
G-Unit wrote:Russell says he went to check the McCann children on Sunday 29th, using the unlocked patio door.
In complete contradiction of other statements where they said they didn't check other people's children until May 3rd.

A Freudian slip to end all Freudian slips!

I don't think PeterMac, HideHo, Richard Hall, Jill, sharonl, hentie, Tania Cadogan and Verdi, to mention but a few, will be too surprised to be reminded of that! It's one more obvious pointer to Sunday 29th April as the date we should be really interested in - moreover the same date as that most mysterious booking of the Tapas restaurant for the rest of the week...

...By Rachael Oldfield, was it? Or a 'tall, thin man'?

Bit like the confusion about who took the Tennis Balls Photo

by Guest 24.10.16 0:09

Tony Bennett wrote:
And there's another very relevant point; there seems to be no credible sighting of the five together after Sunday. The witness statements seem to suggest that the McCanns left and returned to the apartment separately, a fact consistent with just one parent taking the twins to and from the crèche, but Madeleine being absent. It's yet another line of evidence that points us to Sunday as the day something momentous may have happened.

Add to that, the extraordinary claim made by Gerry McCann that during the daytime, his wife left with the children by the patio door whilst he remained in the apartment, locked the patio door from the inside and then left by the front door.

Why on earth would they do that unless to create a false impression of who was where and when - or rather who was not where and when.

by **Tony Bennett** 24.10.16 0:21

Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
And there's another very relevant point; there seems to be no credible sighting of the five together after Sunday. The witness statements seem to suggest that the McCanns left and returned to the apartment separately, a fact consistent with just one parent taking the twins to and from the crèche, but Madeleine being absent. It's yet another line of evidence that points us to Sunday as the day something momentous may have happened.

Add to that, the extraordinary claim made by Gerry McCann that during the daytime, his wife left with the children by the patio door whilst he remained in the apartment, locked the patio door from the inside and then left by the front door.

Why on earth would they do that unless to create a false impression of who was where and when - or rather who was not where and when?

Yes. Not forgetting what happened (allegedly) after the controversial 'high tea'.

Kate McCann maintains in her book 'madeleine' that that Madeleine was 'pale, worn out and exhausted' (a claim not recorded by any of the other alleged witnesses, Gerry McCann, Cat Baker and Charlotte Pennington) and elsewhere says that she alone carried her 2-to-3 stone daughter whilst Gerry went along with the twins and opened the from door so that she could come in the back door.

Yet one more example of how the McCanns appear to have contrived never to be together with the twins after Sunday - because if they were seen with just the twins, sooner or later someone would have said: 'Where is Madeleine?'

(Just as little Amelie did a few days later when she saw Mummy and Daddy holding up 'Maddie's jammies' )

by Guest 24.10.16 0:41

Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
And there's another very relevant point; there seems to be no credible sighting of the five together after Sunday. The witness statements seem to suggest that the McCanns left and returned to the apartment separately, a fact consistent with just one parent taking the twins to and from the crèche, but Madeleine being absent. It's yet another line of evidence that points us to Sunday as the day something momentous may have happened.

Add to that, the extraordinary claim made by Gerry McCann that during the daytime, his wife left with the children by the patio door whilst he remained in the apartment, locked the patio door from the inside and then left by the front door.

Why on earth would they do that unless to create a false impression of who was where and when - or rather who was not where and when?
Yes. Not forgetting what happened (allegedly) after the controversial 'high tea'.

Kate McCann maintains in her book 'madeleine' that that Madeleine was 'pale, worn out and exhausted' (a claim not recorded by any of the other alleged witnesses, Gerry McCann, Cat Baker and Charlotte Pennington) and elsewhere says that she alone carried her 2-to-3 stone daughter whilst Gerry went along with the twins and opened the from door so that she could come in the back door.

Yet one more example of how the McCanns appear to have contrived never to be together with the twins after Sunday - because if they were seen with just the twins, sooner or later someone would have said: 'Where is Madeleine?'

(Just as little Amelie did a few days later when she saw Mummy and Daddy holding up 'Maddie's jammies' )

Quite so - and still no independent witness, or even friend, to verify Madeleine's presence at high-tea.

One taking the twins to their daycare and the other taking Madeleine to her daycare, no apparent routine, just haphazard and very early on by a shortcut suggested by one of the group of friends. So Kate McCann leaves the apartment by the patio door with the children, Gerry McCann leaves the apartment by the front door and somewhere around the block they meet up to take the children to their respective daycare via a shortcut?

It makes no sense.

by **Nina** 24.10.16 1:15

Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
And there's another very relevant point; there seems to be no credible sighting of the five together after Sunday. The witness statements seem to suggest that the McCanns left and returned to the apartment separately, a fact consistent with just one parent taking the twins to and from the crèche, but Madeleine being absent. It's yet another line of evidence that points us to Sunday as the day something momentous may have happened.

Add to that, the extraordinary claim made by Gerry McCann that during the daytime, his wife left with the children by the patio door whilst he remained in the apartment, locked the patio door from the inside and then left by the front door.

Why on earth would they do that unless to create a false impression of who was where and when - or rather who was not where and when?
Yes. Not forgetting what happened (allegedly) after the controversial 'high tea'.

Kate McCann maintains in her book 'madeleine' that that Madeleine was 'pale, worn out and exhausted' (a claim not recorded by any of the other alleged witnesses, Gerry McCann, Cat Baker and Charlotte Pennington) and elsewhere says that she alone carried her 2-to-3 stone daughter whilst Gerry went along with the twins and opened the from door so that she could come in the back door.

Yet one more example of how the McCanns appear to have contrived never to be together with the twins after Sunday - because if they were seen with just the twins, sooner or later someone would have said: 'Where is Madeleine?'

(Just as little Amelie did a few days later when she saw Mummy and Daddy holding up 'Maddie's jammies' )
Quite so - and still no independent witness, or even friend, to verify Madeleine's presence at high-tea.

One taking the twins to their daycare and the other taking Madeleine to her daycare, no apparent routine, just haphazard and very early on by a shortcut suggested by one of the group of friends. So Kate McCann leaves the apartment by the patio door with the children, Gerry McCann leaves the apartment by the front door and somewhere around the block they meet up to take the children to their respective daycare via a shortcut?

It makes no sense.

So Kate, alone, manages 2 small toddlers and a slightly older child over that deathly baby gate, down those stairs? If so she is wonder woman.

by Guest 24.10.16 2:01

Nina wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
And there's another very relevant point; there seems to be no credible sighting of the five together after Sunday. The witness statements seem to suggest that the McCanns left and returned to the apartment separately, a fact consistent with just one parent taking the twins to and from the crèche, but Madeleine being absent. It's yet another line of evidence that points us to Sunday as the day something momentous may have happened.

Add to that, the extraordinary claim made by Gerry McCann that during the daytime, his wife left with the children by the patio door whilst he remained in the apartment, locked the patio door from the inside and then left by the front door.

Why on earth would they do that unless to create a false impression of who was where and when - or rather who was not where and when?
Yes. Not forgetting what happened (allegedly) after the controversial 'high tea'.

Kate McCann maintains in her book 'madeleine' that that Madeleine was 'pale, worn out and exhausted' (a claim not recorded by any of the other alleged witnesses, Gerry McCann, Cat Baker and Charlotte Pennington) and elsewhere says that she alone carried her 2-to-3 stone daughter whilst Gerry went along with the twins and opened the from door so that she could come in the back door.

Yet one more example of how the McCanns appear to have contrived never to be together with the twins after Sunday - because if they were seen with just the twins, sooner or later someone would have said: 'Where is Madeleine?'

(Just as little Amelie did a few days later when she saw Mummy and Daddy holding up 'Maddie's jammies' )
Quite so - and still no independent witness, or even friend, to verify Madeleine's presence at high-tea.

One taking the twins to their daycare and the other taking Madeleine to her daycare, no apparent routine, just haphazard and very early on by a shortcut suggested by one of the group of friends. So Kate McCann leaves the apartment by the patio door with the children, Gerry McCann leaves the apartment by the front door and somewhere around the block they meet up to take the children to their respective daycare via a shortcut?

It makes no sense.
So Kate, alone, manages 2 small toddlers and a slightly older child over that deathly baby gate, down those stairs? If so she is wonder woman.

It didn't escape my notice thumbsup

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Taking the obvious route to leave the apartment i.e. the front door, not only is the interior stairway less hazardous than the narrow exterior stone stairway but there was also what appears to be a lift..

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Tapas 9 Russel O'Brien - Page 3 Mirror29513Mario-FernandoStair

by skyrocket 24.10.16 10:27

@Verdi - the photo you have posted is of the foyer at the 'front' of block 5. The O'Brien's and Oldfield's ground floor apartments are accessed from this area. Up the stairs/lift on the first floor is 5H (Payne's apartment - so we are told, but may have been the McCann's). The McCann's apartment (?) 5A is situated on the ground floor and is accessed by a short dead end walkway, left of the foyer if you are looking at the building from the car park. There are no stairs/lift to access the main front door (5A) from the car park side, the only stairs are the ones to the back/patio entrance (as the apartment site is sloping). Far easier for any parent with 3 small children to walk round the building to the front door as there would be no stairs at all to negotiate.

by bobbin 24.10.16 10:32

Verdi wrote:
Nina wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
And there's another very relevant point; there seems to be no credible sighting of the five together after Sunday. The witness statements seem to suggest that the McCanns left and returned to the apartment separately, a fact consistent with just one parent taking the twins to and from the crèche, but Madeleine being absent. It's yet another line of evidence that points us to Sunday as the day something momentous may have happened.

Add to that, the extraordinary claim made by Gerry McCann that during the daytime, his wife left with the children by the patio door whilst he remained in the apartment, locked the patio door from the inside and then left by the front door.

Why on earth would they do that unless to create a false impression of who was where and when - or rather who was not where and when?
Yes. Not forgetting what happened (allegedly) after the controversial 'high tea'.

Kate McCann maintains in her book 'madeleine' that that Madeleine was 'pale, worn out and exhausted' (a claim not recorded by any of the other alleged witnesses, Gerry McCann, Cat Baker and Charlotte Pennington) and elsewhere says that she alone carried her 2-to-3 stone daughter whilst Gerry went along with the twins and opened the from door so that she could come in the back door.

Yet one more example of how the McCanns appear to have contrived never to be together with the twins after Sunday - because if they were seen with just the twins, sooner or later someone would have said: 'Where is Madeleine?'

(Just as little Amelie did a few days later when she saw Mummy and Daddy holding up 'Maddie's jammies' )
Quite so - and still no independent witness, or even friend, to verify Madeleine's presence at high-tea.

One taking the twins to their daycare and the other taking Madeleine to her daycare, no apparent routine, just haphazard and very early on by a shortcut suggested by one of the group of friends. So Kate McCann leaves the apartment by the patio door with the children, Gerry McCann leaves the apartment by the front door and somewhere around the block they meet up to take the children to their respective daycare via a shortcut?

It makes no sense.
So Kate, alone, manages 2 small toddlers and a slightly older child over that deathly baby gate, down those stairs? If so she is wonder woman.
It didn't escape my notice .

Taking the obvious route to leave the apartment i.e. the front door, not only is the interior stairway less hazardous than the narrow exterior stone stairway but there was also what appears to be a lift..

The door onto the car park (opposite side of the pool side) was at ground level. No need for negotiating narrow outside stairs or a child safety gate at all on this route. Just a little further to walk.

Kate, with all her energy to go running up the hill to the trig point, and Gerry keeping up with her, would not have minded the extra effort of a few more steps surely. As for the children, they are generally, at least first thing in the morning, full of energy, so would not have minded the longer walk either, would they ?

by Guest 24.10.16 13:48

skyrocket wrote:The McCann's apartment 5A is situated on the ground floor and is accessed by a short dead end walkway

Yes, quite right - my mistake. I must stop posting at such a late hour, having just read the cleaner's account of witnessing the McCanns leaving apartment 5a en-route for the stairs to an upper floor for lunch I got a bit confused. Having never been to the Ocean Club and read so many accounts from people who claim they have, the complex seems more obscure than Hampton Court maze.

Whatever, even more reason to question why Kate McCann used the patio door to exit with the children via the hazardous stone steps and even more reason to question why "it felt so safe"!

Going off on a tangent, the shoes the cleaner remembers Madeleine wearing with flashing lights around the soles - I don't recall Kate McCann ever mentioning them along with the rest of Madeleine's holiday wardrobe. There she is, pictured clearly clutching tennis balls, wearing sandals - wouldn't the trainers have been more suited for a tennis knock about?

by **sandancer** 24.10.16 14:31

So mum with two toddlers and one almost 4 goes out the patio doors on to the balcony, opens the safety gate and takes all 3 down a flight of stone steps ! Is there a hand rail ? The twins would have to be held by their hands negotiating these steps , possibly Madeleine as well, how many hands does Kate have ?
Meanwhile dad goes happily alone out the front door and waits to meet them ! Give me a break what parents in their right minds would go through this ridiculous pantomime?
Then they allegedly repeat the process when coming back , yet they expect people to believe their charades huh

The more I read the more I agree with something "terrible " "tragic " happening early on in the week and all the pantomime tales are part of the lead up to 10.00 on 3rd May .

by G-Unit 24.10.16 15:15

sandancer wrote:So mum with two toddlers and one almost 4 goes out the patio doors on to the balcony, opens the safety gate and takes all 3 down a flight of stone steps ! Is there a hand rail ? The twins would have to be held by their hands negotiating these steps , possibly Madeleine as well, how many hands does Kate have ?
Meanwhile dad goes happily alone out the front door and waits to meet them ! Give me a break what parents in their right minds would go through this ridiculous pantomime?
Then they allegedly repeat the process when coming back , yet they expect people to believe their charades

The more I read the more I agree with something "terrible " "tragic " happening early on in the week and all the pantomime tales are part of the lead up to 10.00 on 3rd May .

No handrail and a child gate opening towards you when going up the steps. I'd like to see one person bring three small children safely up and down these steps. If it were me I wouldn't even think of trying. Kate saw it all as perfectly safe though;

Though I envied David and Fiona their
sea view, being on the ground floor meant we didn’t
have to worry about the children’s safety on a
balcony. [Madeleine]

Look at the drop onto those steps, with handy patio furniture to climb on too, just beyond that railing. Nothing to worry about????

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by Guest 24.10.16 16:00

No, nothing to worry about..

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It felt so safe....

by Doug D 24.10.16 18:26

Verdi @ 20.41 yesterday.

The CCTV footage we can see from the Paraiso is timed from 17.31 which looks to be as they are arriving, but KM says in the book:

‘Having arranged for Gerry to meet the children, I opted to go for a run along the beach, where I spotted the rest of our holiday group. They saw me and shouted some words of encouragement. At least, I think that’s what they were shouting! I remember feeling fleetingly disappointed that we hadn’t known they were all heading for the beach, as it might have been nice to have joined them, especially for the kids.’

So she doesn’t actually say she saw them at the Paraiso.

JT’s rog:

‘And also I saw, we saw Kate running when we were at the Café Parisio or whatever it was, Kate was running along, we saw Kate running along the beach, so she’d obviously gone for a run. Actually I think that was before, I think that’s, yeah, that’s when we were still on the beach, so it was before we’d gone to the café that we saw Kate running”.

by bobbin 24.10.16 19:00

Verdi wrote:No, nothing to worry about..

It felt so safe....

I'm still bothered by Kate's diary where she refers to 'pruning'. I think it was the Monday. Also, a vague memory from somewhere of traces of blood found on branches ? also was there not a photo/video somewhere of the police having taken a bit of the fence at edge of patio away. All vague memories now, it was all being discussed near the beginning of the whole saga and may even have been on one of the earlier fora before Jill had set CMOMM up.
I have ofter wondered if Madeleine, perhaps whilst being looked after with the other children, or when perhaps not even being looked after, during the evening meal, or at any other time even, may have perhaps wandered off, inquisitively, and fallen, perhaps banging her head with contusions not noted at the time.
Apparently, according to Kate, Madeleine had wandered off and hidden, causing them to search for her, on an evening previous to Thurs. 3rd May.
Certainly Mark Warner and their child care facilities would not have wanted a thing like this to be thought.

by **Nina** 24.10.16 21:11

bobbin wrote:
Verdi wrote:No, nothing to worry about..

It felt so safe....
I'm still bothered by Kate's diary where she refers to 'pruning'. I think it was the Monday. Also, a vague memory from somewhere of traces of blood found on branches ? also was there not a photo/video somewhere of the police having taken a bit of the fence at edge of patio away. All vague memories now, it was all being discussed near the beginning of the whole saga and may even have been on one of the earlier fora before Jill had set CMOMM up.
I have ofter wondered if Madeleine, perhaps whilst being looked after with the other children, or when perhaps not even being looked after, during the evening meal, or at any other time even, may have perhaps wandered off, inquisitively, and fallen, perhaps banging her head with contusions not noted at the time.
Apparently, according to Kate, Madeleine had wandered off and hidden, causing them to search for her, on an evening previous to Thurs. 3rd May.
Certainly Mark Warner and their child care facilities would not have wanted a thing like this to be thought.

Hi Bobbin.Yes indeed some fencing was removed. The top one of these three photographs shows a low wall that is by a narrow section of balcony which is outside the parent's bedroom patio door/window. On this photograph the fencing has gone I cannot post photographs for some reason but in the McCannfiles there is a photograph taken which clearly shows the fencing.
Scroll down to Photo 16.......................... http://www.mccannfiles.com/id155.html

by **Jill Havern** 24.10.16 21:25

Hi Nina, it should be possible for you to copy and paste a photo.

by **Nina** 24.10.16 21:29

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Hi Nina, it should be possible for you to copy and paste a photo.

haha Getem,it should be possible for me to do all sorts of stuff but copying photographs in here has always foxed me.And now for the last couple of days I have come in here I am getting a virus warning since you changed the format.

by **Jill Havern** 24.10.16 21:33

Nina wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:Hi Nina, it should be possible for you to copy and paste a photo.
haha Getem,it should be possible for me to do all sorts of stuff but copying photographs in here has always foxed me.And now for the last couple of days I have come in here I am getting a virus warning since you changed the format.

I've only been faffing around with colours Nina, I don't think you can get a virus from that!

Have you tried using the Host Image icon for uploading a pic?

by Guest 24.10.16 21:43

Doug D wrote:Verdi @ 20.41 yesterday.

The CCTV footage we can see from the Paraiso is timed from 17.31 which looks to be as they are arriving, but KM says in the book:

‘Having arranged for Gerry to meet the children, I opted to go for a run along the beachere I spotted the rest of our holiday group. They saw me and shouted some words of encouragement. At least, I think that’s what they were shouting! I remember feeling fleetingly disappointed that we hadn’t known they were all heading for the beach, as it might have been nice to have joined them, especially for the kids.’

So she doesn’t actually say she saw them at the Paraiso.

JT’s rog:

‘And also I saw, we saw Kate running when we were at the Café Parisio or whatever it was, Kate was running along, we saw Kate running along the beach, so she’d obviously gone for a run. Actually I think that was before, I think that’s, yeah, that’s when we were still on the beach, so it was before we’d gone to the café that we saw Kate running”.

Some while ago I questioned the verity of Kate McCann's beach run, at the time a member posted a CCTV image of what was alleged to be her running along the beach whilst the Tapas group were at the restaurant. Had a quick look but can't find it.

by Mirage 24.10.16 22:11

Verdi wrote:
Doug D wrote:Verdi @ 20.41 yesterday.

The CCTV footage we can see from the Paraiso is timed from 17.31 which looks to be as they are arriving, but KM says in the book:

‘Having arranged for Gerry to meet the children, I opted to go for a run along the beachere I spotted the rest of our holiday group. They saw me and shouted some words of encouragement. At least, I think that’s what they were shouting! I remember feeling fleetingly disappointed that we hadn’t known they were all heading for the beach, as it might have been nice to have joined them, especially for the kids.’

So she doesn’t actually say she saw them at the Paraiso.

JT’s rog:

‘And also I saw, we saw Kate running when we were at the Café Parisio or whatever it was, Kate was running along, we saw Kate running along the beach, so she’d obviously gone for a run. Actually I think that was before, I think that’s, yeah, that’s when we were still on the beach, so it was before we’d gone to the café that we saw Kate running”.
Some while ago I questioned the verity of Kate McCann's beach run, at the time a member posted a CCTV image of what was alleged to be her running along the beach whilst the Tapas group were at the restaurant. Had a quick look but can't find it.

I think you sre referring to this
Search Ref: Paraiso cctv

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by Verdi on Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:54 pm

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[size=43]@Mirage wrote:

To my mind these pictures tell a real story when related to the capture times and statements. All on record luckily.[/size]

Your powers of perception are a darn sight (excuse the pun) superior to mine - just had another look at theParaiso restaurant CCTV images and I can't build a picture (another pun?) from what I see.

I do however question why the group went to the beach that day and time but didn't invite the McCann family. As an aside, Ella O'Brien was signed in the creche at 2:30pm by ROB (that's what it looks like) but signed out two hours later by Cat nanny - if that has any significance?

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by **Tony Bennett** 24.10.16 22:22

Verdi wrote:
Some while ago I questioned the verity of Kate McCann's beach run, at the time a member posted a CCTV image of what was alleged to be her running along the beach whilst the Tapas group were at the restaurant. Had a quick look but can't find it.

There were several CCTV images published but also one of the Tapas 9 (IIRC Fiona Payne) took her own photo from a similar position to where the CCTV camera was. I think it emerged as one of those controversial 'greyscale' images which appeared on a computer disk which was 'helpfully' prepared for the PJ by Messrs Alex Woolfall, Michael Wright and Gerry McCann. [So nice to see this level of assistance being provided to the PJ at an early stage, along of course with Nuno Lourenco's valiant effort to identify Polish holidaymaker Wojchiech Krokowski as the abductor].

Either on the CTTV image OR on Fiona's photo was a figure walking up from the beach which someone said was Kate McCann. The consensus here was that it wasn't

by **Nina** 24.10.16 22:31

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
Nina wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:Hi Nina, it should be possible for you to copy and paste a photo.
haha Getem,it should be possible for me to do all sorts of stuff but copying photographs in here has always foxed me.And now for the last couple of days I have come in here I am getting a virus warning since you changed the format.
I've only been faffing around with colours Nina, I don't think you can get a virus from that!

Have you tried using the Host Image icon for uploading a pic?

Was only joking Getem, that is coincidental and I do like the new format. Yes I have tried the Host Image but no luck.Anyway sorry to go off topic. roses

by Guest 25.10.16 0:40

Tony Bennett wrote:
Either on the CTTV image OR on Fiona's photo was a figure walking up from the beach which someone said was Kate McCann. The consensus here was that it wasn't

Now why doesn't that surprise me smilie

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by Guest 25.10.16 1:00

Mirage wrote:
I think you sre referring to this
Search Ref: Paraiso cctv

No I don't think so - as I said, a member posted the CCTV image from the restaurant showing what was supposed to be Kate McCann on the beach. Perhaps the link to the CCTV frozen images posted up-page on the thread you have located, as suggested by Doug D, is the one in question..

Tapas 9 Russel O'Brien - Page 3 7_12_VOLUME_XIIa_Processo_Page_3270

Tapas 9 Russel O'Brien - Page 3 7_12_VOLUME_XIIa_Processo_Page_3270

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PARAISO.htm

If so I'm none the wiser. Others in the images have been identified as members of the Tapas group and their children - I can't identify a single person with any accuracy least of all the person on the beach.

Anyway thanks for taking the trouble!

by empath 02.02.17 13:47

Has anyone considered that Russel was missing for a while on the night of Maddies dissapearance, apparently because his child was sick ?

by **Nina** 02.02.17 14:10

Verdi wrote:
Mirage wrote:
I think you sre referring to this
Search Ref: Paraiso cctv
No I don't think so - as I said, a member posted the CCTV image from the restaurant showing what was supposed to be Kate McCann on the beach. Perhaps the link to the CCTV frozen images posted up-page on the thread you have located, as suggested by Doug D, is the one in question..

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PARAISO.htm

If so I'm none the wiser. Others in the images have been identified as members of the Tapas group and their children - I can't identify a single person with any accuracy least of all the person on the beach.

Anyway thanks for taking the trouble!

There is a woman with her hair tied up passing by on the beach. She doesn't look as though she is running though, rather walking with head down.