Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)

by petunia 20.06.16 20:46

Hobbs, I wouldn't put anything past the McCann's but trying to pin it on Clement would be a step too far I don't think his Family would take kindly to it and surly even the duo know the limits they can go to.

by Guest 20.06.16 21:58

bobbin wrote:
Verdi wrote:I'm wondering if any official investigative force tried to fathom the meaning behind this extraordinary video, produced by none other than Jon Corner for the May 2010 anniversary appeal..

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Sorry to digress but there is a sort of connection.
I've always felt, given the words that pop out, that it means destroy emails, addresses, photos etc. But then, I'm probably being a bit simplistic

There does appear to be a hidden message - if wrong I'll eat my hat. Might have to go and buy one but it's worth it.

Disregarding the inclination to see something deviant in the video (a great temptation given the content), this was supposed to be to promote the 3rd anniversary campaign - to encourage the world to continue searching for Madeleine. So why produce such a provocative video that doesn't appear to have any direct connection with the find Madeleine campaign?

I think your simplistic view could well be somewhere close to the truth.

by Guest 20.06.16 22:01

ShuBob wrote:I await the day Natasha Donn takes Clarence Mitchell to task

I don't think Natasha Donn is quite of that caliber - and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

by Guest 20.06.16 22:14

@ Doug D

Thanks for posting the report. For me it was going along swimmingly until..

Burgau pub-landlord trashes British press for latest McCann “lunacy”

But the affirmations in all three papers that both men were on “nodding terms” appear as bogus as the claims that Murat had anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Readers will remember that Murat won record damages from four British newspaper groups for slurs written against him.

The Sun, Star and Mail are all properties of the groups that were also forced to make public apologies.

Speaking outside the High Court in London eight years ago, Louis Charalambous, Murat’s lawyer, described the behaviour of tabloid journalists and editors involved in the slurs as “grossly irresponsible”, saying they had shown a “reckless disregard for the truth”.
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Winning a claim for damages does not equate to innocence. Let's face it, the McCanns managed to screw the UK press for thousands of quids for slanderous reports written about them - say no more?

by worriedmum 20.06.16 22:15

Verdi wrote:
ShuBob wrote:I await the day Natasha Donn takes Clarence Mitchell to task
I don't think Natasha Donn is quite of that caliber - and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

That sounds like a compliment to me, Verdi... spit coffee

by Guest 20.06.16 22:21

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
Verdi wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote: What we should ask is whether any private events have been held at the Pig's Head bar in PdL

Frankly I doubt it - if this is a true image of the joint (posted up-thread by [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]), it's a bit conspicuous for discrete meetings of a deviant nature. If the artwork painted on the wall outside the bar is anything to go by, implying that cops are 'The Pigs' - it's a bit in for a dig. If this is a true image of the joint, it's bit conspicuous for discrete meetings of a deviant nature.

Mind you him on the sign looks a bit familiar..

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I wonder if David Cameron ever went there. I understand he likes Pigs heads.

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by Guest 21.06.16 0:52

sallypelt wrote:
katkat wrote:
Elça Craig wrote:
katkat wrote:
Elça Craig wrote:
Maria wrote:I found this old article link on another blog.

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"Suspicions were raised because of the behaviour of the people who rented the £1million villa and because video cameras were reportedly seen there along with pictures of children on a wall, the Sunday Express has learned."

Note this was published one month after CFs death.

Kates starts her book after this, but how long after? then it's published in 2011?

Operation Grange starts in May 2011?

Could it be CFs Villa?
I dont recall reading anything more about it since it was published.

Could this be a plan in action since his death in 2009 if it actually was Freuds villa.

My brain might well be running away with me.

No, it is not the same villa. Casa da Colina = house on the hill. It's not near the sea-front.
According the Mail CFs five bedroom villa is a third of a mile from the Mark Warner Ocean Club complex where Madeleine vanished.

Three metres from the beach, it is now rented as a £2,470-a-week holiday let.

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It is half way up to the top of the cliffs to the east of Luz. It is hundreds of metres from the beach.
About 300 metres, but two minutes walk downhill to beach it seems:

Casa da Colina - Praia da Luz - Algarve

Casa da Colina is a spacious villa standing in its own mature grounds less than 300 metres from the beach. It’s position on the hillside gives endless views over the valley, village and sea from the many balconies and verandas. The pool is located on an upper level terrace with a petanque piste on a lower level. Pool heating is available on request.
The gardens are well maintained with orange trees and a sunken courtyard with it’s own lemon tree just off the kitchen. A real sheltered sun trap ideal for alfresco living.
The villa was built for residential use around 1960 and was designed for the fabulous views it’s position commands. Colina is a home with views, space and location. It is not a stereo type, mass produced holiday home. It is full of character and just two minutes from the beach down the hill or go up the hill for instant miles of country walks. In recent years extensive modernisation has taken place to all bathrooms and kitchen. Reiwiring has been carried out to modern standards, air conditioning fitted to most rooms along with a monitored burglar alarm.
Satellite TV and WiFi are also available.
Yes, katkat, I knew I has read somewhere, that someone had said that Casa da Colina and Clement Frued's villa weren't one and the same. This is what I posted earlier today:

exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
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I read, earlier, someone's post where they said that Clement Freud's Villa, and Casa da Colina - Praia da Luz - Algarve, were not the same villas. Well, to remove all doubt, here is the latest description of Casa da Colina, with photographs. Take particular notice of the games room, when comparing this villa:

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With this villa:

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If this point is in any way, shape or form important, I will be happy to get Google Earth out and measure it precisely.

I happen to think it is further than 300m, but I can't see the relevance. All I do know is that 300m cannot be walked in 2 minutes - you'd have to jog at about 6mph.

I've got the Streetview image on my blog right now, but as I said, is it important? It happens to be on the jogging route from the OC to the cliffs to the east of Luz, which may explain why someone is claiming the McCanns were seen around there several times. Is that important? Personally, I think not.

by Guest 21.06.16 1:19

haroldd2 wrote:
Verdi wrote:
sharonl wrote:A perv pub does sound utterly ridiculous, but just look at Elm Lodge Guest House and that elite, worldwide, paedophile ring called the Spartacus Club that publicly promotes itself as a gay club but gives out secret coded messages to its members, letting them know that children will be made available if required. The Spartacus Club operates in a number of hotels and guest houses around the world. To me then, the idea that maybe a perv pub in a place full of expats, that has been referred to as a haven for paedophiles, doesn't sound so ridiculous after all.
I completely understand and agree with your point about 'private clubs' in operation to facilitate the filth of society but somehow a perv pub just doesn't fit the bill. I conjured up a picture of folk walking into a roadside pub and discussing matters of paedophilia over a jug of local brew. I almost mentioned gay bars and clubs being a focal meeting place for who knows what but I didn't wish to invite accusations of homophobia aimed at the forum.
We live in a very strange culture. I heard a transsexual on BBC radio say that there's no normal and that "my normal is different from your normal". What's remarkable isn't that someone could be so messed up as not to know what a norm is, but that what he said, which is patently untrue, got no contradiction whatsoever. The norm is heterosexuality and marriage. The biggest survey of sexual preference ever held in Britain, conducted by the government's Office of National Statistics, found that the proportion of people in the country who are gay or bisexual is 1.5%. ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].) I remember an MP getting into trouble for saying that most parents want to be grandparents. He had to apologise for saying this obvious truth. You've got to wonder whether soon there will have to be six different kinds of toilets at any venue. Maybe the words "he or she" will be condemned as horribly transphobic.

It's worth pointing out that gay marriage, usually reported in mainstream media as though it's going to be adopted everywhere (as in, "Yippee! The latest country to adopt it is..."), has spread to be officially allowed only within a cultural area that contains a very small part of the world's population: the "advanced west" (western Europe, north America and westernised countries such as New Zealand and South Africa), plus a handful of countries in Latin America. It's not allowed in eastern Europe, anywhere in Africa other than SA, or anywhere in Asia, the world's most populous continent.

There's surely an interface between, on the one hand, scenes based on legal activities which many of us think are disgusting but which happen between consenting adults, either with or without money changing hands, and which many even among those who think they are disgusting believe should be legal, and, on the other, scenes of illegal perversions such as paedophilia or the abuse of adult sex slaves. Some of these interfaces probably happen at perv bars.

There's a big difference between say a public bar specialising in leather or foot fetishism or goodness knows what, that anyone can go to, and a private club. Which isn't to say there probably isn't a grey area. (I mean are there any poo bars? If there are, can anyone go in there carrying a mobile phone? I doubt it. But please don't anyone tell me - I don't want to know!) What we should ask is whether any private events have been held at the Pig's Head bar in PdL. That anyone called it the "Plough and Paedophile" sounds untrue to me.

The Pig's Head is about half way between Luz and Burgau. The Plough was on Rua Direita, in the centre of Luz. These were two totally separate establishments.

by Doug D 21.06.16 9:49

Thank you HiDeHo on your ‘videos’ thread.

I now realise that Lazzeri was referring to ‘George’, the Pizza Parlour owner, who allegedly saw a couple carrying a child at 05.55 on 4^th at Marina da Lagos.

‘A British expat says he saw Madeleine McCann being dragged towards a marina by a "very suspicious" couple, just hours after she vanished, it was reported last night.

Businessman George Burke says he saw a small girl resembling Madeleine being hauled along by a "vicious looking" man and woman, as he drove past Lagos marina in the early morning of May 4, just eight hours after she vanished.’ (Express)

George Burke said he saw a "vicious" looking man and woman carrying the child towards a railway station eight miles from where she was abducted. (Star)

This sighting was deemed irrelevant at the time.

‘Regarding the facts in question, he states that he had already contacted the OH in May of 2007 and at this time relayed to the police that at around 06H00 in the morning on the 4th May, 2007, he saw a couple passing the Marina de Lagos. The man was carrying the child. It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation.
Signed,
Ricardo Paiva’

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From the ‘early hours’ Lazzeri quote:

‘A Brit said that he saw a man carrying a little girl in the early hours of May 4, 2007’

I didn’t even associate it to this man.

I thought she was referring to a new ‘Smithman’ sighting after midnight, but ‘he saw a couple passing Lagos Marina and the man was carrying the child’, so technically I suppose you could say her reporting is almost correct, albeit misleading.

Anything to bring another ‘suspect’ back into the fray and I wonder how long it will be before we go full circle and get back to the ‘MM whisked off in a boat’ reports again?

by kaz 21.06.16 10:27

Doug D wrote:Thank you HiDeHo on your ‘videos’ thread.

I now realise that Lazzeri was referring to ‘George’, the Pizza Parlour owner, who allegedly saw a couple carrying a child at 05.55 on 4^th at Marina da Lagos.

‘A British expat says he saw Madeleine McCann being dragged towards a marina by a "very suspicious" couple, just hours after she vanished, it was reported last night.

Businessman George Burke says he saw a small girl resembling Madeleine being hauled along by a "vicious looking" man and woman, as he drove past Lagos marina in the early morning of May 4, just eight hours after she vanished.’ (Express)

George Burke said he saw a "vicious" looking man and woman carrying the child towards a railway station eight miles from where she was abducted. (Star)

This sighting was deemed irrelevant at the time.

‘Regarding the facts in question, he states that he had already contacted the OH in May of 2007 and at this time relayed to the police that at around 06H00 in the morning on the 4th May, 2007, he saw a couple passing the Marina de Lagos. The man was carrying the child. It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation.
Signed,
Ricardo Paiva’

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From the ‘early hours’ Lazzeri quote:

‘A Brit said that he saw a man carrying a little girl in the early hours of May 4, 2007’

I didn’t even associate it to this man.

I thought she was referring to a new ‘Smithman’ sighting after midnight, but ‘he saw a couple passing Lagos Marina and the man was carrying the child’, so technically I suppose you could say her reporting is almost correct, albeit misleading.

Anything to bring another ‘suspect’ back into the fray and I wonder how long it will be before we go full circle and get back to the ‘MM whisked off in a boat’ reports again?

Surely Eddie and Keela have put paid paid to all this nonsense.?

by Equity 21.06.16 10:51

Elça Craig wrote:
Maria wrote:I found this old article link on another blog.

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"Suspicions were raised because of the behaviour of the people who rented the £1million villa and because video cameras were reportedly seen there along with pictures of children on a wall, the Sunday Express has learned."

Snipped...

Could it be CFs Villa?

No, it is not the same villa. Casa da Colina = house on the hill. It's not near the sea-front.

The Villa in that Express article was believed to be Casa Via Mar which is NEXT DOOR to Clement Freud's Villa.

Paul Luckman, owner and publisher of Portugal News, was told by a dog handler who searched that Villa:

"The search dog handler said the villa had a room with a kind of amateur studio with video equipment and cameras with children’s toys and pictures of children on the wall. He felt it was something to do with paedophiles. He told the police and they seemed to know something about it, but we don’t think they took it any further."

Now CF has been outed as a paedophile, one would think this would be regarded as very significant?

by MayMuse 21.06.16 12:15

Doug D wrote:Thank you HiDeHo on your ‘videos’ thread.

I now realise that Lazzeri was referring to ‘George’, the Pizza Parlour owner, who allegedly saw a couple carrying a child at 05.55 on 4^th at Marina da Lagos.

‘A British expat says he saw Madeleine McCann being dragged towards a marina by a "very suspicious" couple, just hours after she vanished, it was reported last night.

Businessman George Burke says he saw a small girl resembling Madeleine being hauled along by a "vicious looking" man and woman, as he drove past Lagos marina in the early morning of May 4, just eight hours after she vanished.’ (Express)

George Burke said he saw a "vicious" looking man and woman carrying the child towards a railway station eight miles from where she was abducted. (Star)

This sighting was deemed irrelevant at the time.

‘Regarding the facts in question, he states that he had already contacted the OH in May of 2007 and at this time relayed to the police that at around 06H00 in the morning on the 4th May, 2007, he saw a couple passing the Marina de Lagos. The man was carrying the child. It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation.
Signed,
Ricardo Paiva’

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From the ‘early hours’ Lazzeri quote:

‘A Brit said that he saw a man carrying a little girl in the early hours of May 4, 2007’

I didn’t even associate it to this man.

I thought she was referring to a new ‘Smithman’ sighting after midnight, but ‘he saw a couple passing Lagos Marina and the man was carrying the child’, so technically I suppose you could say her reporting is almost correct, albeit misleading.

Anything to bring another ‘suspect’ back into the fray and I wonder how long it will be before we go full circle and get back to the ‘MM whisked off in a boat’ reports again?

Wasn't George Burke the ex pat friend from Liverpool?
Stand to be corrected if this is a myth, but I wouldn't hold credence to his "story" should he be on the McCanns "friend" list.

by petunia 21.06.16 13:22

One has to wonder if Goncalo knew about Clement been a Paedophile? his wife Sofia gave an interview saying we don't have friends that are paedophiles (or words to that affect) I wonder if they knew about Clement.

by MayMuse 21.06.16 13:31

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The abused speaks out, listen to the first words spoken, ring a bell?

by Roidininki 21.06.16 14:44

Indeed ! Come into my parlor said the spider to the fly? sad

by willowthewisp 21.06.16 14:58

Clarence Mitchel is to release an old time favourite Country and Western song from Hank Williams, in a new exclusive in the Madeleine McCann case and Clement Freud, Scum exclusive, Clement and Robert know each other after visiting the same pub but Twelve years apart?.
"Hey good Lookin,What you got Cookin,Hows about Cookin Something up with Me"
Sorry to any Hank Williams fans, but the Pink one must be involved with the scum exclusive about Pigs Head pub, Portugal or this a **ss take against the UK Police,Operation Grange,Nod,Nodd,wink,wink, coded language?

by worriedmum 21.06.16 15:32

willowthewisp wrote:Clarence Mitchel is to release an old time favourite Country and Western song from Hank Williams, in a new exclusive in the Madeleine McCann case and Clement Freud, Scum exclusive, Clement and Robert know each other after visiting the same pub but Twelve years apart?.
"Hey good Lookin,What you got Cookin,Hows about Cookin Something up with Me"
Sorry to any Hank Williams fans, but the Pink one must be involved with the scum exclusive about Pigs Head pub, Portugal or this a **ss take against the UK Police,Operation Grange,Nod,Nodd,wink,wink, coded language?

Oh, but why on earth would he do that?

by NickE 21.06.16 16:18

Equity wrote:
Elça Craig wrote:
Maria wrote:I found this old article link on another blog.

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"Suspicions were raised because of the behaviour of the people who rented the £1million villa and because video cameras were reportedly seen there along with pictures of children on a wall, the Sunday Express has learned."

Snipped...

Could it be CFs Villa?

No, it is not the same villa. Casa da Colina = house on the hill. It's not near the sea-front.

The Villa in that Express article was believed to be Casa Via Mar which is NEXT DOOR to Clement Freud's Villa.

Paul Luckman, owner and publisher of Portugal News, was told by a dog handler who searched that Villa:

"The search dog handler said the villa had a room with a kind of amateur studio with video equipment and cameras with children’s toys and pictures of children on the wall. He felt it was something to do with paedophiles. He told the police and they seemed to know something about it, but we don’t think they took it any further."

Now CF has been outed as a paedophile, one would think this would be regarded as very significant?

Snipped from "The Express article":

“What struck us was that they drove a very tatty, British-registered small red saloon car. It was one those vehicles you would normally see on a gypsy camp, not going in and out of a very expensive villa".

This photo is taken from Freud´s villa, and there is a old red car to left on the photo.
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by jeanmonroe 21.06.16 16:44

“What struck us was that they drove a very tatty, British-registered small red saloon car. It was one those vehicles you would normally see on a gypsy camp, not going in and out of a very expensive villa".
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I've 'seen' Bentleys, Ferraris, Porsches, Rollers, Aston Martins, Beamers 'on a gypsy camp', alongside very 'tatty' big/small saloon cars!

It tells us more about the 'observers', don't you think?

GOT to 'get' the 'gypsies'...........'mentioned' AGAIN!

jta: When did 'us' NORMALLY 'see', on a gypsy 'camp'?

jta (again! Oooppss) WHY all media onslaught 'stuff' about CF....NOW?

WHAT are we 'not seeing'?, WHAT are we 'not getting'?

Have the McCan'ts LOST the PSC 'appeal', even before it's 'begun'?

They kept very, VERY 'SCHTUM' about trying to get a 'judge' REMOVED from the appellate court, 'hearing' their last LOST 'appeal' didn't they?

by petunia 21.06.16 17:00

And the Villa next door as nice peachy walls which mean nothing,but iv'e got to say an old red car mentioned by the women just happens to be parked near CF villa curios,very curious what a coincidence.(not that it's the same one but it is old.)

by sar 21.06.16 17:26

Elça Craig wrote:
sallypelt wrote:
katkat wrote:
Elça Craig wrote:
katkat wrote:
Elça Craig wrote:
Maria wrote:I found this old article link on another blog.

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"Suspicions were raised because of the behaviour of the people who rented the £1million villa and because video cameras were reportedly seen there along with pictures of children on a wall, the Sunday Express has learned."

Note this was published one month after CFs death.

Kates starts her book after this, but how long after? then it's published in 2011?

Operation Grange starts in May 2011?

Could it be CFs Villa?
I dont recall reading anything more about it since it was published.

Could this be a plan in action since his death in 2009 if it actually was Freuds villa.

My brain might well be running away with me.

No, it is not the same villa. Casa da Colina = house on the hill. It's not near the sea-front.
According the Mail CFs five bedroom villa is a third of a mile from the Mark Warner Ocean Club complex where Madeleine vanished.

Three metres from the beach, it is now rented as a £2,470-a-week holiday let.

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It is half way up to the top of the cliffs to the east of Luz. It is hundreds of metres from the beach.
About 300 metres, but two minutes walk downhill to beach it seems:

Casa da Colina - Praia da Luz - Algarve

Casa da Colina is a spacious villa standing in its own mature grounds less than 300 metres from the beach. It’s position on the hillside gives endless views over the valley, village and sea from the many balconies and verandas. The pool is located on an upper level terrace with a petanque piste on a lower level. Pool heating is available on request.
The gardens are well maintained with orange trees and a sunken courtyard with it’s own lemon tree just off the kitchen. A real sheltered sun trap ideal for alfresco living.
The villa was built for residential use around 1960 and was designed for the fabulous views it’s position commands. Colina is a home with views, space and location. It is not a stereo type, mass produced holiday home. It is full of character and just two minutes from the beach down the hill or go up the hill for instant miles of country walks. In recent years extensive modernisation has taken place to all bathrooms and kitchen. Reiwiring has been carried out to modern standards, air conditioning fitted to most rooms along with a monitored burglar alarm.
Satellite TV and WiFi are also available.
Yes, katkat, I knew I has read somewhere, that someone had said that Casa da Colina and Clement Frued's villa weren't one and the same. This is what I posted earlier today:

exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Yesterday at 12:27 pm

I read, earlier, someone's post where they said that Clement Freud's Villa, and Casa da Colina - Praia da Luz - Algarve, were not the same villas. Well, to remove all doubt, here is the latest description of Casa da Colina, with photographs. Take particular notice of the games room, when comparing this villa:

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With this villa:

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If this point is in any way, shape or form important, I will be happy to get Google Earth out and measure it precisely.

I happen to think it is further than 300m, but I can't see the relevance. All I do know is that 300m cannot be walked in 2 minutes - you'd have to jog at about 6mph.

I've got the Streetview image on my blog right now, but as I said, is it important? It happens to be on the jogging route from the OC to the cliffs to the east of Luz, which may explain why someone is claiming the McCanns were seen around there several times. Is that important? Personally, I think not.

Forgive me, I'm a bit late to the party Elça Craig, I'm almost 6ft 4ins. tall. My walking pace is around 4-5mph, sometimes faster. I have checked against the journey planner for tfl and I select "Walking Pace - Fast" and still commonly beat the machine. May be important, maybe not. Apropo nothing, you get a +1 for "getting your Google Out" Good times!!!

by willowthewisp 21.06.16 17:44

worriedmum wrote:
willowthewisp wrote:Clarence Mitchel is to release an old time favourite Country and Western song from Hank Williams, in a new exclusive in the Madeleine McCann case and Clement Freud, Scum exclusive, Clement and Robert know each other after visiting the same pub but Twelve years apart?.
"Hey good Lookin,What you got Cookin,Hows about Cookin Something up with Me"
Sorry to any Hank Williams fans, but the Pink one must be involved with the scum exclusive about Pigs Head pub, Portugal or this a **ss take against the UK Police,Operation Grange,Nod,Nodd,wink,wink, coded language?
Oh, but why on earth would he do that?

Hi Worriedmum,"Look over Here Not Over There"

by willowthewisp 21.06.16 17:51

worriedmum wrote:
willowthewisp wrote:Clarence Mitchel is to release an old time favourite Country and Western song from Hank Williams, in a new exclusive in the Madeleine McCann case and Clement Freud, Scum exclusive, Clement and Robert know each other after visiting the same pub but Twelve years apart?.
"Hey good Lookin,What you got Cookin,Hows about Cookin Something up with Me"
Sorry to any Hank Williams fans, but the Pink one must be involved with the scum exclusive about Pigs Head pub, Portugal or this a **ss take against the UK Police,Operation Grange,Nod,Nodd,wink,wink, coded language?
Oh, but why on earth would he do that?

Hi Worriedmum,"Look over Here Not Over There",take a look at the drawings on the wall of the "Pigs Head" a pig dressed in Police uniform with a whistle, blowing to Stoop(Operation Grange)?

by plebgate 21.06.16 20:10

jeanmonroe wrote:“What struck us was that they drove a very tatty, British-registered small red saloon car. It was one those vehicles you would normally see on a gypsy camp, not going in and out of a very expensive villa".
----------------------------------

I've 'seen' Bentleys, Ferraris, Porsches, Rollers, Aston Martins, Beamers 'on a gypsy camp', alongside very 'tatty' big/small saloon cars!

It tells us more about the 'observers', don't you think?

GOT to 'get' the 'gypsies'...........'mentioned' AGAIN!

jta: When did 'us' NORMALLY 'see', on a gypsy 'camp'?

jta (again! Oooppss) WHY all media onslaught 'stuff' about CF....NOW?

WHAT are we 'not seeing'?, WHAT are we 'not getting'?

Have the McCan'ts LOST the PSC 'appeal', even before it's 'begun'?

They kept very, VERY 'SCHTUM' about trying to get a 'judge' REMOVED from the appellate court, 'hearing' their last LOST 'appeal' didn't they?

I meant to answer your post yesterday Jean to say I think you could be on to something.

by Guest 21.06.16 22:36

Doug D wrote:Thank you HiDeHo on your ‘videos’ thread.

I now realise that Lazzeri was referring to ‘George’, the Pizza Parlour owner, who allegedly saw a couple carrying a child at 05.55 on 4^th at Marina da Lagos.

‘A British expat says he saw Madeleine McCann being dragged towards a marina by a "very suspicious" couple, just hours after she vanished, it was reported last night.

Businessman George Burke says he saw a small girl resembling Madeleine being hauled along by a "vicious looking" man and woman, as he drove past Lagos marina in the early morning of May 4, just eight hours after she vanished.’ (Express)

George Burke said he saw a "vicious" looking man and woman carrying the child towards a railway station eight miles from where she was abducted. (Star)

This sighting was deemed irrelevant at the time.

‘Regarding the facts in question, he states that he had already contacted the OH in May of 2007 and at this time relayed to the police that at around 06H00 in the morning on the 4th May, 2007, he saw a couple passing the Marina de Lagos. The man was carrying the child. It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation.
Signed,
Ricardo Paiva’

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From the ‘early hours’ Lazzeri quote:

‘A Brit said that he saw a man carrying a little girl in the early hours of May 4, 2007’

I didn’t even associate it to this man.

I thought she was referring to a new ‘Smithman’ sighting after midnight, but ‘he saw a couple passing Lagos Marina and the man was carrying the child’, so technically I suppose you could say her reporting is almost correct, albeit misleading.

Anything to bring another ‘suspect’ back into the fray and I wonder how long it will be before we go full circle and get back to the ‘MM whisked off in a boat’ reports again?

Would this per chance be the same 'George' Burke/Brooks?

Michael Terrence Wright - Rogatory Interview 16th April 2008

"As for additional information I would like to add that on Sunday, 6 May I went to the pizzaria in PdL and bought a large quantity of pizzas. I was attended by a girl from Liverpool. I explained to her my relationship to the McCanns and she told me that her father 'George' had seen a man carrying a child in his arms in the early morning of 4 May in the resort. I asked her if her father had spoken about this to the Portuguese authorities. I don't know if the information was ever investigated."

Michael Terrence Wright of Skipton Yorkshire, close friend of the McCanns for many years, named co-driver of the hired Renault Scenic and prominent figure in the summer of 2007. What a curious conversation to take place when ordering pizza from a stranger.

by worriedmum 21.06.16 22:46

I don't think it would be that strange given what had happened,I am sure it was the only topic of conversation...what I would find strange would be if this was the first time that Michael Wright had mentioned it to the police, almost a year after Madeleine disappeared.

by Richard IV 21.06.16 23:58

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The abused speaks out, listen to the first words spoken, ring a bell?

Promising to cook for us ..................

It had crossed my mind that CF fancied a romp with KM, i.e. to make her better. She is, after all, very childlike and presents herself as a naive little girl.

by Guest 22.06.16 1:08

Richard IV wrote:
MayMuse wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

The abused speaks out, listen to the first words spoken, ring a bell?
Promising to cook for us ..................

It had crossed my mind that CF fancied a romp with KM, i.e. to make her better. She is, after all, very childlike and presents herself as a naive little girl.

Would that be the 5 adults and 2 twins cooking event or the post-arguido drinking event in nightgown? Just curious.

by Guest 22.06.16 1:47

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‘So, Kate, which of the devout Catholic, alcoholic, depressed, nymphomaniac parts is correct?’

by Guest 22.06.16 2:14

The thing that confuses me about this claimed liaison between the McCanns and Clement Freud is the lack of evidence to verify. The only mention I've ever seen is that made by Kate McCann's autobiography - 'madeleine'.

I think it was recently mentioned on the forum but I've just checked Gerry McCann's blog (http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk) for both occasions - the original invitation by letter in July and the later meet in late August/early September 2007. Not so much as a mention, something I would expect the likes of Gerry McCann to be boasting about for at least a decade. Nor have I seen confirmation of the events from any other source, close to the family or otherwise.

No report in the Portuguese or UK press at the time and as far as I'm aware it wasn't mentioned by Goncalo Amaral in The Truth of the Lie. Again I would expect some reference to the events as Mr. Amaral was particular concerned about British interference.

Has anyone out there seen anything to confirm a liaison?

NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)