Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral
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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral
Get'emGonçalo wrote:Apparently they're going to appeal.
Expert needed but I did read today it may not be accepted if they did appeal so it may not produce a lengthy delay.
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Well done Dr Amaral.
It is all well and good SY claiming there is still a chance that Maddie is alive and findable, however, for Maddie to be alive and findable, they have to first find evidence that she was abducted as claimed.
After almost nine years, there is yet to be any actual evidence of an abduction by a stranger, let alone a paedophile stranger.
Forensic evidence that points to an abduction, or at least the possibility of an abduction would lend credence to the claims that Maddie could still be alive.
Instead we have ample evidence that Maddie died sometime during the week of the vacation and not on the Thursday as touted, simply because of the amount of time needed for cadaverine to be produced and for the apartment to be almost forensically cleaned, as well as removal of the body.
People have claimed that there is no way they could behave normally after the death of their daughter accidental or otherwise.
People are comparing the mccanns to how they themselves would behave.
There are numerous cases where the killer has carried on life as normal, even directly after they did the killing.
If they can kill someone deliberately out of hate, anger etc, then they would be relieved the source of their hatred and anger is gone and would be perfectly capable of carrying on with life as normal.
In some cases they are so glad the source of their hatred is gone, people comment on how much they have changed, they are happier, more vocal, they blossom, just as kate did, almost as if a weight had been lifted off her shoulders.
Since there is not one atom of evidence to indicate an abduction and plenty to show a death in the apartment, on kates clothes, the child red t shirt, cuddlecat and the hire car, the police have to assume that Maddie is long dead and start an investigation based on said evidence which points straight at the mccanns and their chums.
I wonder if kate smashed any furniture and got more bruises on her wrists and upper arms.
The atmosphere in the mccann household is going to be toxic, they have hundreds of thousands of pounds of costs to pay for their own attorneys and then the same for Dr. Amaral costs.
There may then be penalties to pay as compensation especially if Dr Amaral sues them.
I expect their will be frantic juggling of money in accounts and much ring fencing of assets.
I am also concerned as to kate's state of mind in regard to the twins.
It is all well and good SY claiming there is still a chance that Maddie is alive and findable, however, for Maddie to be alive and findable, they have to first find evidence that she was abducted as claimed.
After almost nine years, there is yet to be any actual evidence of an abduction by a stranger, let alone a paedophile stranger.
Forensic evidence that points to an abduction, or at least the possibility of an abduction would lend credence to the claims that Maddie could still be alive.
Instead we have ample evidence that Maddie died sometime during the week of the vacation and not on the Thursday as touted, simply because of the amount of time needed for cadaverine to be produced and for the apartment to be almost forensically cleaned, as well as removal of the body.
People have claimed that there is no way they could behave normally after the death of their daughter accidental or otherwise.
People are comparing the mccanns to how they themselves would behave.
There are numerous cases where the killer has carried on life as normal, even directly after they did the killing.
If they can kill someone deliberately out of hate, anger etc, then they would be relieved the source of their hatred and anger is gone and would be perfectly capable of carrying on with life as normal.
In some cases they are so glad the source of their hatred is gone, people comment on how much they have changed, they are happier, more vocal, they blossom, just as kate did, almost as if a weight had been lifted off her shoulders.
Since there is not one atom of evidence to indicate an abduction and plenty to show a death in the apartment, on kates clothes, the child red t shirt, cuddlecat and the hire car, the police have to assume that Maddie is long dead and start an investigation based on said evidence which points straight at the mccanns and their chums.
I wonder if kate smashed any furniture and got more bruises on her wrists and upper arms.
The atmosphere in the mccann household is going to be toxic, they have hundreds of thousands of pounds of costs to pay for their own attorneys and then the same for Dr. Amaral costs.
There may then be penalties to pay as compensation especially if Dr Amaral sues them.
I expect their will be frantic juggling of money in accounts and much ring fencing of assets.
I am also concerned as to kate's state of mind in regard to the twins.
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I hope notwhatsupdoc wrote:Get'emGonçalo wrote:Apparently they're going to appeal.
Expert needed but I did read today it may not be accepted if they did appeal so it may not produce a lengthy delay.
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Doug D mentioned a lodgement stage in the Translation thread. I also think it unlikely to succeed when 3 out of 3 Judges agreed with GA.
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I expect their will be frantic juggling of money in accounts and much ring fencing of assets.
I am also concerned as to kate's state of mind in regard to the twins.
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A Google translation of Correio da Manha article:
04/19/2016 15:46
Gonçalo Amaral book to pay 500,000 to McCann
At issue was the book of former inspector of the PJ.
The Lisbon Court of relationship today overturned the ruling that forced the former inspector of the Judicial Police Gonçalo Amaral to pay 500,000 euros to the couple McCann, parents of the missing child in the Algarve in 2007.
The information was advanced to the War publisher Lusa and Peace and supported by the McCanns lawyer, Isabel Duarte, who said going to appeal the sentence to the Supreme Court.
Former Inspector of Judicial Police (PJ) Gonçalo Amaral had been ordered to pay 500,000 euros in January 2015, the parents of Madeleine McCann, for damage caused by the publication of the book titled "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie".
Showing translation for In the book, the former PJ inspector raised suspicions of the child's parents being involved in the abduction. The Lisbon Court of Relationship yet absolved War and Peace Editors, Valentim de Carvalho Movies and TVI, and judged totally dismissed the action brought by the McCanns, considering it unproven. The ratio of Lisbon recognized the Gonçalo Amaral constitutional right to express their views and also annulled the marketing ban the book, which resulted from the judgment of the first instance.
Translate instead In the book, the former inspector PJ raised suspicions of the child's parents being involved in the abduction. The Lisbon Court of Relationship yet absolved War and Peace Editors, Valentim de Carvalho Movies and TVI, and judged totally dismissed the action brought by the McCanns, considering it unproven. The ratio of Lisbon recognized the Gonçalo Amaral constitutional right to express their views and also annulled the marketing ban the book, which resulted from the judgment of the first instance.
In the book, the former PJ inspector raised suspicions of the child's parents being involved in the abduction.
The Lisbon Court of Relationship yet absolved War and Peace Editors, Valentim de Carvalho Movies and TVI, and judged totally dismissed the action brought by the McCanns, considering it unproven.
The ratio of Lisbon recognized the Gonçalo Amaral constitutional right to express their views and also annulled the marketing ban the book, which resulted from the judgment of the first instance.
The War and Peace Editors have welcomed the decision of the Lisbon and announced that he will return next week, to bookstores, the book "The Truth of the Lie" the former inspector of the PJ.
In January 2015, the civil court condemned Gonçalo Amaral "to pay to each" of the couple McCann and Kate McCann Gearald, "the compensatory amount of 250,000.00 (two hundred and fifty thousand euros), plus default interest, the statutory rate of civil interest, since January 5, 2010, until full payment. "
In addition to this payment, the court also ordered the ban on the sale and new editions of the book, even prohibiting new editions of the DVD, as well as the transaction of copyright of the book and DVD.
The court had already given as evidence that the book of former inspector Gonçalo Amaral PJ caused damages to the parents of Madeleine McCann.
The defense of the parents of the missing child claimed that the book was given as ready three days after the attorney of Portimão Republic, Magalhães Menezes, have drafted the order for closure of the case against the McCanns dated notification of July 29 2008.
For the preparation of the book, in which the former coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department of the PJ of Portimão Gonçalo Amaral defended the thesis that Madeleine's parents were involved in the disappearance and concealment of the child's body, the lawyer of the British family, Isabel Duarte, maintained that the author used unauthorized and prohibited pleadings.
Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007, when he was four years in the tourist village of Aldeia da Luz, close to Portimão, where the family was on vacation.
04/19/2016 15:46
Gonçalo Amaral book to pay 500,000 to McCann
At issue was the book of former inspector of the PJ.
The Lisbon Court of relationship today overturned the ruling that forced the former inspector of the Judicial Police Gonçalo Amaral to pay 500,000 euros to the couple McCann, parents of the missing child in the Algarve in 2007.
The information was advanced to the War publisher Lusa and Peace and supported by the McCanns lawyer, Isabel Duarte, who said going to appeal the sentence to the Supreme Court.
Former Inspector of Judicial Police (PJ) Gonçalo Amaral had been ordered to pay 500,000 euros in January 2015, the parents of Madeleine McCann, for damage caused by the publication of the book titled "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie".
Showing translation for In the book, the former PJ inspector raised suspicions of the child's parents being involved in the abduction. The Lisbon Court of Relationship yet absolved War and Peace Editors, Valentim de Carvalho Movies and TVI, and judged totally dismissed the action brought by the McCanns, considering it unproven. The ratio of Lisbon recognized the Gonçalo Amaral constitutional right to express their views and also annulled the marketing ban the book, which resulted from the judgment of the first instance.
Translate instead In the book, the former inspector PJ raised suspicions of the child's parents being involved in the abduction. The Lisbon Court of Relationship yet absolved War and Peace Editors, Valentim de Carvalho Movies and TVI, and judged totally dismissed the action brought by the McCanns, considering it unproven. The ratio of Lisbon recognized the Gonçalo Amaral constitutional right to express their views and also annulled the marketing ban the book, which resulted from the judgment of the first instance.
In the book, the former PJ inspector raised suspicions of the child's parents being involved in the abduction.
The Lisbon Court of Relationship yet absolved War and Peace Editors, Valentim de Carvalho Movies and TVI, and judged totally dismissed the action brought by the McCanns, considering it unproven.
The ratio of Lisbon recognized the Gonçalo Amaral constitutional right to express their views and also annulled the marketing ban the book, which resulted from the judgment of the first instance.
The War and Peace Editors have welcomed the decision of the Lisbon and announced that he will return next week, to bookstores, the book "The Truth of the Lie" the former inspector of the PJ.
In January 2015, the civil court condemned Gonçalo Amaral "to pay to each" of the couple McCann and Kate McCann Gearald, "the compensatory amount of 250,000.00 (two hundred and fifty thousand euros), plus default interest, the statutory rate of civil interest, since January 5, 2010, until full payment. "
In addition to this payment, the court also ordered the ban on the sale and new editions of the book, even prohibiting new editions of the DVD, as well as the transaction of copyright of the book and DVD.
The court had already given as evidence that the book of former inspector Gonçalo Amaral PJ caused damages to the parents of Madeleine McCann.
The defense of the parents of the missing child claimed that the book was given as ready three days after the attorney of Portimão Republic, Magalhães Menezes, have drafted the order for closure of the case against the McCanns dated notification of July 29 2008.
For the preparation of the book, in which the former coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department of the PJ of Portimão Gonçalo Amaral defended the thesis that Madeleine's parents were involved in the disappearance and concealment of the child's body, the lawyer of the British family, Isabel Duarte, maintained that the author used unauthorized and prohibited pleadings.
Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007, when he was four years in the tourist village of Aldeia da Luz, close to Portimão, where the family was on vacation.
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"The War and Peace Editors have welcomed the decision of the Lisbon and announced that he will return next week, to bookstores, the book "The Truth of the Lie" the former inspector of the PJ".
Does the above mean that the Truth of the Lie book will be back on sale, next week?
Does the above mean that the Truth of the Lie book will be back on sale, next week?
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I am abso-lute-ly bloody over the moon. It has made my day, my week, my year.
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Mirage, I am trying my hardest to compose myselfMirage wrote:I am abso-lute-ly bloody over the moon. It has made my day, my week, my year.
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What uplifting news! Best wishes to Goncalo Amaral.
And I thought all the rubbish in the rags recently was related to the anniversary... they knew.
Good to see some long-term members who've been away posting today.
And I thought all the rubbish in the rags recently was related to the anniversary... they knew.
Good to see some long-term members who've been away posting today.
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Delighted to hear it on the R4 7pm news.
Of course the peroration was that the McCs will re-appeal.
What does that mean for the book release?
Of course the peroration was that the McCs will re-appeal.
What does that mean for the book release?
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Another old timer who's not posted recently, but always kept up to date with this story - coming up to 9 years. Congratulations to Goncalo Amaral. Delighted to hear some good news after all this time.
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I haven't posted in while but this is the best news I've heard in ages
I'm sure the McCann's rich friends can all chip in and pay for the costs.
I'm sure the McCann's rich friends can all chip in and pay for the costs.
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Any bets on the number of UK papers carrying this on the front page tomorrow?
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Oh WOW . Having had what seems to be nothing but bad news lately on a personal level this has really lifted my spirits
Dr Amaral you are a hero , you make us proud .
Many have continued to whisper for truth and justice for Madeleine , Many have continued to Shout for truth and Justice for Madeleine ( the good folk on this forum )
You Sir have continued to roar like a lion for a little girl who never got to taste life ; and for her brother and sister who live with this hanging over their heads .
I wish Peace , blessings and light on you and your family .
( Dare I say I feel "buoyed up " by this !)
Dr Amaral you are a hero , you make us proud .
Many have continued to whisper for truth and justice for Madeleine , Many have continued to Shout for truth and Justice for Madeleine ( the good folk on this forum )
You Sir have continued to roar like a lion for a little girl who never got to taste life ; and for her brother and sister who live with this hanging over their heads .
I wish Peace , blessings and light on you and your family .
( Dare I say I feel "buoyed up " by this !)
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As others have said above - haven't posted in a while but keep a close watch - but today just had to say:-
CONGRATULATIONS GONZALO - You can't keep a good guy down - justice well & truly served.
Certainly made my day and it looks as if - going by the Daily Mail Comments - a few other peoples too!
Proof again - as if it were needed - that the Newspaper headlines yesterday were only to bury bad news for Team Mccann - so predictable!!!
CONGRATULATIONS GONZALO - You can't keep a good guy down - justice well & truly served.
Certainly made my day and it looks as if - going by the Daily Mail Comments - a few other peoples too!
Proof again - as if it were needed - that the Newspaper headlines yesterday were only to bury bad news for Team Mccann - so predictable!!!
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Welcome back old timers!
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Fantastic news. If book is published in the UK the MSM will not be able to contain this any longer. People will buy and read it and it will never be possible to cover up the facts ever again once the counter arguments and evidence is out there for everyone to digest and ponder. . I hope it gets published and any further appeals are quashed. I will certainly buy it.
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Get'emGonçalo wrote:Welcome back old timers!
Thank you :)
And I am also very pleased to hear Mr Amaral's news today :)
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Another old-timer here.
Congratulations Mr. Amaral. I hope you can find some comfort in this ruling, and some happiness in your life.
I'm hoping for an English version of the book. I'm definitely buying a copy, even though I've read the online translation.
Congratulations Mr. Amaral. I hope you can find some comfort in this ruling, and some happiness in your life.
I'm hoping for an English version of the book. I'm definitely buying a copy, even though I've read the online translation.
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I bet the McCanns are absolutely furious.
Irrespective of whether or not Amaral is correct in his theory, they shouldn't have pursued him through the courts the way they have.
Ironically, every time they try to shut someone up it always results in more negative publicity for them.
And Clarence isn't even available for comment.
I bet there's a fair bit of shouting and kicking of walls going on just now.
Irrespective of whether or not Amaral is correct in his theory, they shouldn't have pursued him through the courts the way they have.
Ironically, every time they try to shut someone up it always results in more negative publicity for them.
And Clarence isn't even available for comment.
I bet there's a fair bit of shouting and kicking of walls going on just now.
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Been away for a while as I got disillusioned with the whole thing but this is great news.
I find it tricky to understand something and yesterday thought that the papers were just building up for the 9th anniversary and little else to print like the Diana stories. The news in the papers yesterday does little for the Macs today so what was the point?
Did they believe they would win today and be on a massive roll and the search / endless money goes on until the whitewash is complete.
I find it tricky to understand something and yesterday thought that the papers were just building up for the 9th anniversary and little else to print like the Diana stories. The news in the papers yesterday does little for the Macs today so what was the point?
Did they believe they would win today and be on a massive roll and the search / endless money goes on until the whitewash is complete.
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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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Really hoping it will be published.
I and many others will buy as many copies as we can, and leave them on buses, trains, tubes - everywhere.
I and many others will buy as many copies as we can, and leave them on buses, trains, tubes - everywhere.
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Yes, if we all bought a few copies it would certainly help Snr Amaral get his life back on track.Praiaaa wrote:Really hoping it will be published.
I and many others will buy as many copies as we can, and leave them on buses, trains, tubes - everywhere.
It's what he deserves.
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A happy day!
I hope other members are, like me, enjoying a glass or two of Portuguese wine to celebrate Sr Amaral's deserved victory.
I hope Katie Hopkins can get the McCanns on her couch to discuss how they feel about the verdict.......
I hope other members are, like me, enjoying a glass or two of Portuguese wine to celebrate Sr Amaral's deserved victory.
I hope Katie Hopkins can get the McCanns on her couch to discuss how they feel about the verdict.......
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Superb news today! Many congratulations Mr Amaral
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