Re: Hobs' theory: What I believe may have happened to Madeleine McCann

by Guest 09.02.17 17:08

In 10 years I haven't seen a single player in this incident try and push the micro-chipping agenda.

So I don't think it has anything to do with it.

by Guest 09.02.17 21:04

"As it stands, Maddie is still a ward of court and everything pertaining to Maddie is now the jurisdiction of the courts.
They handed over all parental responsibility of Maddie to the court."

Is that something you as parents would ever consider? Imagine it, looking forward to recovering your child only to be lumbered with the reality of NO LONGER having responsibility for them because of your own legal actions? . . . Or is it the behaviour of parents who know such a scenario will NEVER arise?

It was at that precise moment I personally believe they had given the game away.

by Basil with a brush 09.02.17 22:51

JimbobJones wrote:"As it stands, Maddie is still a ward of court and everything pertaining to Maddie is now the jurisdiction of the courts.
They handed over all parental responsibility of Maddie to the court."

Is that something you as parents would ever consider? Imagine it, looking forward to recovering your child only to be lumbered with the reality of NO LONGER having responsibility for them because of your own legal actions? . . . Or is it the behaviour of parents who know such a scenario will NEVER arise?

It was at that precise moment I personally believe they had given the game away.

I'm going pretty much with your theme of 'The behaviour of (loosely put)...parents, who know such a scenario will never arise.

Or maybe they'll just try anything to get shot of that poor child.

by Guest 09.02.17 23:02

JimbobJones wrote:"As it stands, Maddie is still a ward of court and everything pertaining to Maddie is now the jurisdiction of the courts.
They handed over all parental responsibility of Maddie to the court."

Is that something you as parents would ever consider? Imagine it, looking forward to recovering your child only to be lumbered with the reality of NO LONGER having responsibility for them because of your own legal actions? . . . Or is it the behaviour of parents who know such a scenario will NEVER arise?

It was at that precise moment I personally believe they had given the game away.

I truly believe the McCanns made Madeleine a ward of court because they thought it was the ideal way to get their grubby little trotters on all information appertaining to the investigation, both in the UK and Portugal.

It didn't work!

by MayMuse 10.02.17 1:38

Verdi wrote:
JimbobJones wrote:"As it stands, Maddie is still a ward of court and everything pertaining to Maddie is now the jurisdiction of the courts.
They handed over all parental responsibility of Maddie to the court."

Is that something you as parents would ever consider? Imagine it, looking forward to recovering your child only to be lumbered with the reality of NO LONGER having responsibility for them because of your own legal actions? . . . Or is it the behaviour of parents who know such a scenario will NEVER arise?

It was at that precise moment I personally believe they had given the game away.
I truly believe the McCanns made Madeleine a ward of court because they thought it was the ideal way to get their grubby little trotters on all information appertaining to the investigation, both in the UK and Portugal.

It didn't work!

Agreed, as hiding behind the pretence of being cleared which hasn't worked either!
Bet there are a few secret meetings going on this week? liar

by Guest 10.02.17 12:13

MayMuse wrote:
Verdi wrote:
JimbobJones wrote:"As it stands, Maddie is still a ward of court and everything pertaining to Maddie is now the jurisdiction of the courts.
They handed over all parental responsibility of Maddie to the court."

Is that something you as parents would ever consider? Imagine it, looking forward to recovering your child only to be lumbered with the reality of NO LONGER having responsibility for them because of your own legal actions? . . . Or is it the behaviour of parents who know such a scenario will NEVER arise?

It was at that precise moment I personally believe they had given the game away.
I truly believe the McCanns made Madeleine a ward of court because they thought it was the ideal way to get their grubby little trotters on all information appertaining to the investigation, both in the UK and Portugal.

It didn't work!
Agreed, as hiding behind the pretence of being cleared which hasn't worked either!
Bet there are a few secret meetings going on this week?

Have Gerry or Kate McCann ever actually stated publicly that they were declared 'innocent' by the archiving of the PJ process?

I'm not sure they have - all along they've hidden behind an unnamed 'source' to spread their nefarious messages and ripping yarns. This has been a pole position for them from the beginning - they always get someone else to do their dirty work.

Catch me if you can....

by Guest 10.02.17 12:45

Have Gerry or Kate McCann ever actually stated publicly that they were declared 'innocent' by the archiving of the PJ process?

I think they have been very careful with their words and others have said they were cleared.

by Guest 10.02.17 12:56

I've trawled all kinds of combinations and they don't appear to have said themselves that they were cleared.

The closest is a press conference with them and Clarence Mitchell.

He said: “There is a degree of relief but no air of celebration whatsoever. They should never have been arguidos. This shows them to be the wronged couple they are.”

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There is the implication that the "wronged couple" are no longer wronged.

Which is nonsense.

The Portuguese Supreme Court said that suspicion was "well founded".

by MayMuse 10.02.17 13:41

The whole video captures some remarkable "moments" but From @2.16 in Gerrys own words, judicial review no evidence to implicate.

by Roxyroo 10.02.17 22:22

Links between jill dando and Madeleine

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by Guest 10.02.17 23:38

BlueBag wrote:

Have Gerry or Kate McCann ever actually stated publicly that they were declared 'innocent' by the archiving of the PJ process?

I think they have been very careful with their words and others have said they were cleared.

That's what I think - their online support network.

by one day we will find you 11.02.17 23:19

i feel the mccans gave maddie something a lot stronger than calpol.one of the group had said their child was sick and vomited and he had to clean it up before returning to the group.i feel it wasnt his child that was sick and vomiting.it was maddie and maybe the reason she died'choked on her vomit after being drugged at bedtime

by Guest 11.02.17 23:31

one day we will find you wrote:i feel the mccans gave maddie something a lot stronger than calpol.one of the group had said their child was sick and vomited and he had to clean it up before returning to the group.i feel it wasnt his child that was sick and vomiting.it was maddie and maybe the reason she died'choked on her vomit after being drugged at bedtime

Many people follow the 'drugged Madeleine' theory but as far as I'm aware there was nothing uncovered by the investigation to suggest this to be a realistic scenario.

The only hint of possibility I'm aware of emanates from the McCanns themselves, who seemingly tried to imply that Madeleine was drugged by the abductor who may have also drugged the twins. It's my belief this story was pure invention to add substance to the abduction hypothesis - but then I don't believe the McCanns, or any of the mates, left their children unsupervised every night whilst they went off on the 'hit and miss'.

I could of course be wrong.

by kaz 12.02.17 10:34

one day we will find you wrote:i feel the mccans gave maddie something a lot stronger than calpol.one of the group had said their child was sick and vomited and he had to clean it up before returning to the group.i feel it wasnt his child that was sick and vomiting.it was maddie and maybe the reason she died'choked on her vomit after being drugged at bedtime

From what I’ve read in the PJ Files it does seem as though the twins were given some sort of sedative on the evening of the third of May. If the McCanns were already aware of the upheaval and trauma about to explode on that night, they may well have administered something to protect the twins from it all. It appears they were protected too, being oblivious to everybody and everything for hours. That of course would have meant prior knowledge of the ‘abduction.’ The reason I don’t believe that Madeleine died as a result of mild over the counter sleep aid is because even the most stupid of parents wouldn’t medicate other children days after one had died from similar treatment. Would they?

by one day we will find you 12.02.17 10:54

yes a very good point kaz.another is that jerry claimed they had asked for dogs to be sent ,why if you asked for them to be sent would you then go on to say cadaver dogs are unreliable.is it because they were pointing to your guilt.when it comes to the triangle and the jogging trips people think well maddie could be in that area.but no in this case we should look at a little scotish bird called the peweep.for it is well known that the peweep shows the most excitement where the chick is not.hence mccans would not be going anywhere near the hidden body.having said that ,its possible they could see from that cliff roughly where maddie was hidden and also if there was any police activity in that area

by **Nina** 12.02.17 12:15

kaz wrote:
one day we will find you wrote:i feel the mccans gave maddie something a lot stronger than calpol.one of the group had said their child was sick and vomited and he had to clean it up before returning to the group.i feel it wasnt his child that was sick and vomiting.it was maddie and maybe the reason she died'choked on her vomit after being drugged at bedtime

From what I’ve read in the PJ Files it does seem as though the twins were given some sort of sedative on the evening of the third of May. If the McCanns were already aware of the upheaval and trauma about to explode on that night, they may well have administered something to protect the twins from it all. It appears they were protected too, being oblivious to everybody and everything for hours. That of course would have meant prior knowledge of the ‘abduction.’ The reason I don’t believe that Madeleine died as a result of mild over the counter sleep aid is because even the most stupid of parents wouldn’t medicate other children days after one had died from similar treatment. Would they?

Okay,if the twins were given something on the evening of the 3rd because of upheaval and trauma already expected then where did this sedative come from? To give just one dose you need to have it with you, you cannot just walk into a chemist shop and buy something over the counter other than the herbal sort of sleep aid. However they already had adult medication with them which had a sedative effect.

by kaz 12.02.17 12:42

Well I’m not disputing that the twins may have been medicated with Calpol which the McCanns already had with them. However if Madeleine had met her death from similar drugs at an earlier date, no way would the McCanns have risked using them on the twins.

by one day we will find you 12.02.17 12:43

Nina wrote:
kaz wrote:
one day we will find you wrote:i feel the mccans gave maddie something a lot stronger than calpol.one of the group had said their child was sick and vomited and he had to clean it up before returning to the group.i feel it wasnt his child that was sick and vomiting.it was maddie and maybe the reason she died'choked on her vomit after being drugged at bedtime

From what I’ve read in the PJ Files it does seem as though the twins were given some sort of sedative on the evening of the third of May. If the McCanns were already aware of the upheaval and trauma about to explode on that night, they may well have administered something to protect the twins from it all. It appears they were protected too, being oblivious to everybody and everything for hours. That of course would have meant prior knowledge of the ‘abduction.’ The reason I don’t believe that Madeleine died as a result of mild over the counter sleep aid is because even the most stupid of parents wouldn’t medicate other children days after one had died from similar treatment. Would they?
Okay,if the twins were given something on the evening of the 3rd because of upheaval and trauma already expected then where did this sedative come from? To give just one dose you need to have it with you, you cannot just walk into a chemist shop and buy something over the counter other than the herbal sort of sleep aid. However they already had adult medication with them which had a sedative effect.

hi nina do we know what medicines they had with them.i mean kate has access to some pretty strong sleeping medication through her work.

by Guest 12.02.17 12:48

kaz wrote:From what I’ve read in the PJ Files it does seem as though the twins were given some sort of sedative on the evening of the third of May.

Would you be so kind as to provide the link to where this information can be found in the PJ files? Thanks howdy

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by kaz 12.02.17 14:33

Verdi wrote:
kaz wrote:From what I’ve read in the PJ Files it does seem as though the twins were given some sort of sedative on the evening of the third of May.
Would you be so kind as to provide the link to where this information can be found in the PJ files? Thanks .

From what I’ve read in the PJ Files it does seem as though the twins were given some sort of sedative on the evening of the third of May.
This is purely a subjective conclusion that I have arrived at after reading the PJ Files. When I have the time and inclination I will run you through my thought processes if you are really that interested

by one day we will find you 12.02.17 14:40

Verdi wrote:
kaz wrote:From what I’ve read in the PJ Files it does seem as though the twins were given some sort of sedative on the evening of the third of May.
Would you be so kind as to provide the link to where this information can be found in the PJ files? Thanks .

if kate's father says the children were given calpol when at home in uk why should we assume the practise did not continue on holiday where time away from the kids was even more precious

by kaz 12.02.17 14:48

Verdi wrote:
kaz wrote:From what I’ve read in the PJ Files it does seem as though the twins were given some sort of sedative on the evening of the third of May.
Would you be so kind as to provide the link to where this information can be found in the PJ files? Thanks .

RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW
Police Exhibit No IM20A

Person Interviewed:
Fiona PAYNE
Number of Pages 55

‘’…………………. Erm, tut, I looked, when I went into the room that Madeleine was sleeping in, the room was dark, Madeleine, erm, Madeleine's bed was sort of folded back, the sheets, quite kind of neatly really, erm, Sean and Amelie were fast asleep in their cots, they didn't stir, you know, I was opening the cupboards in the room and moving around the room, they didn't stir at all, which that was, that was odd…..’’

by **Jill Havern** 12.02.17 14:54

kaz wrote:
Verdi wrote:
kaz wrote:From what I’ve read in the PJ Files it does seem as though the twins were given some sort of sedative on the evening of the third of May.
Would you be so kind as to provide the link to where this information can be found in the PJ files? Thanks .

RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW
Police Exhibit No IM20A

Person Interviewed:
Fiona PAYNE
Number of Pages 55

‘’…………………. Erm, tut, I looked, when I went into the room that Madeleine was sleeping in, the room was dark, Madeleine, erm, Madeleine's bed was sort of folded back, the sheets, quite kind of neatly really, erm, Sean and Amelie were fast asleep in their cots, they didn't stir, you know, I was opening the cupboards in the room and moving around the room, they didn't stir at all, which that was, that was odd…..’’

And a whole chapter on sedation on Peter's e-book blog
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by ChippyM 12.02.17 15:00

one day we will find you wrote:i feel the mccans gave maddie something a lot stronger than calpol.one of the group had said their child was sick and vomited and he had to clean it up before returning to the group.i feel it wasnt his child that was sick and vomiting.it was maddie and maybe the reason she died'choked on her vomit after being drugged at bedtime

What if all the children were left together and accidentally consumed varying amounts of some drug or substance which shouldn't have been left accessible? Then 1 or more of the children become ill as a result, 1 recovers, 1 does not. A group of doctors could monitor the ill children and think all will recover. When one doesn't recover as expected they are left being responsible for an overdose AND not getting the child to hospital as they should have done.

Either this or more than one child could have been given some kind of sedative intentionally...then the illness scenario again.

These 2 scenarios could explain the 'pact' and solidarity of the group. It could also explain the breathing checks on the Twins by an unnerved parent who is paranoid about the health of their remaining children.

by one day we will find you 12.02.17 15:11

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
kaz wrote:
Verdi wrote:
kaz wrote:From what I’ve read in the PJ Files it does seem as though the twins were given some sort of sedative on the evening of the third of May.
Would you be so kind as to provide the link to where this information can be found in the PJ files? Thanks .

RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW
Police Exhibit No IM20A

Person Interviewed:
Fiona PAYNE
Number of Pages 55

‘’…………………. Erm, tut, I looked, when I went into the room that Madeleine was sleeping in, the room was dark, Madeleine, erm, Madeleine's bed was sort of folded back, the sheets, quite kind of neatly really, erm, Sean and Amelie were fast asleep in their cots, they didn't stir, you know, I was opening the cupboards in the room and moving around the room, they didn't stir at all, which that was, that was odd…..’’
And a whole chapter on sedation on Peter's e-book blog
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excellent post very interesting.i feel maddie was given a larger dose than the twins not because she was older but because she had sleeping problems.or calpol was fine for the twins but for maddie kate may have dipped into the pharmacy at work.we all know what she does for a living.iam not sure if its true that when asked to provide maddies hair .the maccans could not .instead jerry bought a pillow back from uk with maddies hair on it .very odd

by sami 12.02.17 15:27

one day we will find you wrote:another is that jerry claimed they had asked for dogs to be sent ,why if you asked for them to be sent would you then go on to say cadaver dogs are unreliable.is it because they were pointing to your guilt.

My recollection is that it was Lee Rainbow who recommended in his report Martin Grime and his dogs were brought to Portugal.

Gerry gave a deliberately false impression during an interview on Irish TV that it was he who had asked for the "dogs". An ill informed interviewer made reference to dogs and Gerry was only too happy to give the impression he was glad they were there. These were in fact the scent tracker dogs.

This is a man who wanted the FBI involved and bereated the lack of a Navy in Portugal so I know where I would file his investigative input.

I have no time to provide links now but look for Lee Rainbows report, you will find it easily enough. I think, but might be corrected, it was the Late Late Show interview they did for Irish TV where you will hear the dogs reference.

by sami 12.02.17 15:39

one day we will find you wrote:
Verdi wrote:
kaz wrote:From what I’ve read in the PJ Files it does seem as though the twins were given some sort of sedative on the evening of the third of May.
Would you be so kind as to provide the link to where this information can be found in the PJ files? Thanks .
if kate's father says the children were given calpol when at home in uk why should we assume the practise did not continue on holiday where time away from the kids was even more precious

I don't believe Calpol would have a sedative effective.

What was commonly used by parents flying with young children back in those days was an antihystamine called Phenergan. That had a sedative effect and could be given to children over 3 years old and was over the counter medication. Under 3 it was provided on prescription only and the dosage was based on the weight of the child.

I know many parents who used it as a means to keep young children quiet on plane journeys and "help them sleep".

by one day we will find you 12.02.17 15:51

sami wrote:
one day we will find you wrote:another is that jerry claimed they had asked for dogs to be sent ,why if you asked for them to be sent would you then go on to say cadaver dogs are unreliable.is it because they were pointing to your guilt.

My recollection is that it was Lee Rainbow who recommended in his report Martin Grime and his dogs were brought to Portugal.

Gerry gave a deliberately false impression during an interview on Irish TV that it was he who had asked for the "dogs". An ill informed interviewer made reference to dogs and Gerry was only too happy to give the impression he was glad they were there. These were in fact the scent tracker dogs.

This is a man who wanted the FBI involved and bereated the lack of a Navy in Portugal so I know where I would file his investigative input.

I have no time to provide links now but look for Lee Rainbows report, you will find it easily enough. I think, but might be corrected, it was the Late Late Show interview they did for Irish TV where you will hear the dogs reference.

now you mention it sami .its quite correct and was there also a fella called harrison who also said bring in the dogs.its in richard hall's you tube video

by Nomadicinfo 12.02.17 18:08

.....if the amount of sedative was not over excessive but enough to of made her get out out of bed feeling and eventually being sick, how does that fit and also when the police and others arrived didn't the other children sleep through that ?

by one day we will find you 12.02.17 18:21

sounds good.i think one of the group said when checking on their own child that the child had vomited and he had to clean it up before returning to the group.being drugged and then falling and hitting her head .or choking on her vomit after being over drugged

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