Hobs' theory: What I believe may have happened to Madeleine McCann

sandancer wrote:A couple​ go on holiday​ with their 3 under 4s , friends and their children​ .
Every day children go to Crèche​ , morning and afternoon . So parents can have​ " me time " 

Apart from​ one alleged​ trip​ to the beach​ in the rain , 5 ice creams and a pair​ of sunglasses​ !

Not a word​ of tears , paddy tantrums​ No don't​ want​ to , don't like it , squabbling over toys the usual​ things​ kids do . ( Remember​ that girl​ could throw a tantrum !) 

Then to top it​ off the​ " angelic " threesome every night go straight to bed and to sleep​ so all the " into each other " adults can​ spend the evening running​ backwards and forwards to " check​  whilst their dinner gets cold . 

So good are these kids that mum can have a shower​ while leaving them with biscuits​ and books​ ! 

Did Supernanny Jo Frost accompany them​ ?

All this sounds like another​ " version of the truth " 

No matter how well behaved your​ children​ are they have​ their moments​ , especially when​ tired and grumpy​ , that would be remembered when going​ through the​ weeks events​ . 
Oh yes , that​ was the day​ x threw a right paddy about ( insert reason​ ) took ages to settle​ down .
Payne's​ visit never happened​ , the angels​ in white , not​ in any trouble​ all created​ to back up " responsible​ , respectable , good​ parents​ " and Madeleine​ still​ alive .

Fantastic​ fiction . Imho of course .

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 Sandancer, that reminded me of something my daughter put on her facebewk page the other day.

I don't believe her though, cos whenever I see my granddaughters they're always so well behaved!

Nina wrote:

sandancer wrote:A couple​ go on holiday​ with their 3 under 4s , friends and their children​ .
Every day children go to Crèche​ , morning and afternoon . So parents can have​ " me time " 

Apart from​ one alleged​ trip​ to the beach​ in the rain , 5 ice creams and a pair​ of sunglasses​ !

Not a word​ of tears , paddy tantrums​ No don't​ want​ to , don't like it , squabbling over toys the usual​ things​ kids do . ( Remember​ that girl​ could throw a tantrum !) 

Then to top it​ off the​ " angelic " threesome every night go straight to bed and to sleep​ so all the " into each other " adults can​ spend the evening running​ backwards and forwards to " check​  whilst their dinner gets cold . 

So good are these kids that mum can have a shower​ while leaving them with biscuits​ and books​ ! 

Did Supernanny Jo Frost accompany them​ ?

All this sounds like another​ " version of the truth " 

No matter how well behaved your​ children​ are they have​ their moments​ , especially when​ tired and grumpy​ , that would be remembered when going​ through the​ weeks events​ . 
Oh yes , that​ was the day​ x threw a right paddy about ( insert reason​ ) took ages to settle​ down .
Payne's​ visit never happened​ , the angels​ in white , not​ in any trouble​ all created​ to back up " responsible​ , respectable , good​ parents​ " and Madeleine​ still​ alive .

Fantastic​ fiction . Imho of course .

Jane Tanner mentions a tantrum and meltdown.................

4078    “And from the comments amongst the group, how were the other children doing?”
Reply    “Yeah fine, yeah they were, they were tired. I think the Wednesday night, there was one night when Ella had a complete meltdown and sort of, she’s not sort of a tantrumy child but she was so tired she just sort of crashed and screamed during bath time. I think that might have been, I’m not sure if that was the Wednesday, it could have been the Wednesday but she just had a complete, you know how the kids do when they’re tired, complete meltdown and there’s screaming and they’re so tired it was quite hard to settle her but then she just, she just crashed, but there was, I think that was the Wednesday night that she, I mean by, when we were playing in the play area she sort of lay on the floor and started, which she doesn’t do at all so we knew she was, we knew she was shattered at that point. But I think that, I think that was the Wednesday.”


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Lord Sleuth wrote:I had another theory come to me today which at the moment I dont know how much credence to give to it. (and all in my own view of course)
For now I am considering it my B theory. I still prefer my A theory, but the more I think about it the more interesting it becomes.
Now I know there are far more  capable brains and minds on here than me and if I have thought of something the chances others have got there before me.
So I apologise  in advance if it has already been discussed on here. The forum is too vast for me to plough through it all. And I can think of one diligent researcher on here who must have thought of it also.
Anyway, I guess people think from my previous posts that I am a conspiracy theorist.
I suppose I am to an extent and when it comes to politics and power I usually take the devious explantion over the simple one, which I think I have made clear before.
So, with my "previous" in mind, what if...
It has been alleged  that the UK security services have been watching out and doing undercover work in Portugal regarding child trafficking and pedeo rings etc. And the PJ must have been too, either independently or jointly.
Well, supposing the Mccanns and the rest of the party were knowingly and officially being used as bait in an undercover sting to flush out either a bigwig or a group as a whole and something went wrong?
It would explain a lot just as my A theory does especially the cover up and the National Security implications.
As I say I need to flush out the details a bit more yet, but I thought I would share it with you.
It only came to me about an hour ago while walking the dog through a field. But any thoughts?

plebgate wrote:Eh?  Using Maddie to get blackmail material to use against someone from another country but something went wrong?

Don't understand what your trying to get at but if security services were involved why would they allow the dogs to be brought in?

Lord Sleuth wrote:At the risk of p***ing everyone off, I have another speculative theory. (last one I promise)
My C theory is a mixture of A and B.
In a nutshell the activities outlined in A are occurring but the only official aspect is MI6 secretly monitoring and filming for blackmail purposes.
Just in case we ever fallout with friends a little compromising video in the bank might come in handy.
Sounds appalling I know and it is,( if true of course) but we live in a very dirty world.

kaz wrote:

plebgate wrote:Eh?  Using Maddie to get blackmail material to use against someone from another country but something went wrong?

Don't understand what your trying to get at but if security services were involved why would they allow the dogs to be brought in?

 
This is something I too have pondered on. It seems obvious to me that  the Secret Services were/ are  involved so why was Amaral actively encouraged to use the dogs? Blood and cadaver odour detecting dogs at that ! Brought all the way from Britain with their handler , only to have the findings ignored by  the Met. What was the reason?

plebgate wrote:

kaz wrote:

plebgate wrote:Eh?  Using Maddie to get blackmail material to use against someone from another country but something went wrong?

Don't understand what your trying to get at but if security services were involved why would they allow the dogs to be brought in?

 
This is something I too have pondered on. It seems obvious to me that  the Secret Services were/ are  involved so why was Amaral actively encouraged to use the dogs? Blood and cadaver odour detecting dogs at that ! Brought all the way from Britain with their handler , only to have the findings ignored by  the Met. What was the reason?

Maybe they didn't have a choice?   I did post on a different thread that having recently seen H-d-H's recent" Another 48 questions" video it reminded me that the British police informed the PJ of the existence of the two dogs.  Once alerted it would have been nigh on impossible to stop them being brought in imo.

dartinghero wrote:Perhaps the key to this is knowing which "British police" told the PJ about the dogs? If the idea for the dogs came from the PJ, it would have been almost impossible for British Police not to comply and send the dogs in. The Met ignored the findings so probably wasn't them that suggested the use of the dogs. Did the request definitely come from UK not Portugal?

Verdi wrote:

dartinghero wrote:Perhaps the key to this is knowing which "British police" told the PJ about the dogs? If the idea for the dogs came from the PJ, it would have been almost impossible for British Police not to comply and send the dogs in. The Met ignored the findings so probably wasn't them that suggested the use of the dogs. Did the request definitely come from UK not Portugal?

It was on the recommendation of Mark Harrison MBE, National Search Advisor - Homicide, missing persons and mass fatality disasters [snipped from his comprehensive report]..

McCann's Apartment.

The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further
opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim
Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed. This search process could be repeated in all the apartments that were occupied by the friends holidaying with the McCann's.

Murat's House and Garden.

The property has been forensically examined to recover any surface trace evidence however the house and gardens may benefit from a fully invasive specialist search to preclude the presence of Madeleine McCann.
A method previously employed on similar cases has been to use the below assets.
Deploy the EVRD to search the house and garden to ensure Madeleine McCann's remains are not present. The dog may also indicate if a body has been stored in the recent past and then moved off the property, though this is not evidential merely intelligence.
Deploy the CSI dog to search the house to locate any human blood.
This will act in support of the forensic examination already completed.
An inhibiting factor will be on areas where Luminol has been used.

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pd2259 wrote:I think:
Madeleine WALKED OUT OF THE FLAT at around 2200hr looking for her mum and dad. She got as far as a road and was taken by an OPPORTUNISTIC guy who lifted her and either ran off or got into a car with here.
The reason I think this:
It would look just awful for her parents Katie and Gerry if their daughter managed to 'get out' of the flat' unsupervised (I accept they were supervising from 120 metres away with the Tapas 7). Instead they cling to the 'theory' that an intruder 'broke in to the flat and spirited Madeleine  away. The entire 'blame' then is on this mysterious intruder - of which their is no evidence at all in the flat that a stranger was there - and not on the parents lack of supervision.

polyenne wrote:An inhibiting factor will be on areas where Luminol has been used.


Was Luminol used ? If so, by who ? And only in Murat's property but not the McCann apartment ?
Presumably if it had been used, a blood dog would simply have indicated the same location ?

deafoldbat wrote:In order to prompt such high level protection and government involvement, there must have been at least one very important person among them. (Whatever activity they were up to!) 
I have always thought that this is the key to the case. IMHO

Verdi wrote:@LordSleuth [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

That's a very adventurous first post for a newcomer - may I ask, are you being serious?  I'm not responding by quote as I don't consider your comments to be worthy of repetition.

Please be advised, CMoMM does not encourage baseless theorizing or speculation.  If you have genuine reason to believe what you say has any foundation, backed by evidence, then it would be most helpful if you could provide the detail and explain your rationale.

If not, then perhaps your particular sense of humour, or should I say diversion, might be suited to another venue that  welcomes  childplay - like twitter or facebook etc.

The choice is yours.

NB:  It's not up to members to make sense of your theorizing, it's up to you to provide evidence to support your comments - then and only then can members decide whether or not your musings are meritous.