***Missing People Bike Ride now under way (Kate McCann, Simon Cowell and Stephen Fry back Missing People campaign on Twitter)

How about a sponsored lie detector test - heck I would donate £100  if that ever came about.

snook wrote:'Kate' has found 10 missing children with her big tweet. Who is writing this rubbish?
I think she needs to have words with whoever issues these alerts because I can't recall the media reporting 10 children going missing.
How contemptible is she and MP? 

 I wonder how much they do for the hundreds of children who flee the corrupt care system every year? Probably don't count. After all they are not the most beautiful, intelligent,  nearly 4 year old you could ever be fortunate enough to come across.

"Kate" has found 10 missing children with her big tweet, but SY can't find any sign of Maddie despite zillions having been spent.   Maybe SY should try using a big tweet instead.

Purlease, enough already.

plebgate wrote:

snook wrote:'Kate' has found 10 missing children with her big tweet. Who is writing this rubbish?
I think she needs to have words with whoever issues these alerts because I can't recall the media reporting 10 children going missing.
How contemptible is she and MP? 

 I wonder how much they do for the hundreds of children who flee the corrupt care system every year? Probably don't count. After all they are not the most beautiful, intelligent,  nearly 4 year old you could ever be fortunate enough to come across.

"Kate" has found 10 missing children with her big tweet, but SY can't find any sign of Maddie despite zillions having been spent.   Maybe SY should try using a big tweet instead.

Purlease, enough already.

I agree, its beyond ridiculous.

Here is the Child Rescue Alert webpage. I apologise for the length of this post. I'm posting up the entire article.

I remember that Kate McCann was the face that launched digital media boards on behalf of Missing People - on that very day a runaway teenager was miraculously located by none other than the police. This young girl had her face plastered all over the Birmingham Mail and the national media.

Absolutely no proof was ever given that the digital media board was instrumental in anyway whatsoever in locating this youngster who had gone missing before and went missing again if I recall correctly. The police and social services already had it covered.

With regards to the launch of Child Rescue Alert - the first alert (which Jo Youle was proud to endorse went 'seemlessly'). The teenager was located by the police. Once again there is absolutely no proof given that the Child Rescue Alert led to the discovery of this runaway teenager.

There has been a very sad case, that of a young girl found by police hanging in a bush. Interestingly it was in the Nottinghamshire area (the area that did the very first CRA) and no Child Rescue Alert went out. The police dealt with it. The media showed restraint and dealt with it.

There is another current case in the newspapers of a mother who rejected a court ruling and
'abducted' her own child. No Child Rescue Alert went out and the child has been returned to his father. The police and the media dealt with it.

In the case of little Mikaeel Kular. No Child Rescue Alert was necessary. The police and the media dealt with it.

Then we come to April Jones whose mother is now advocating Child Rescue Alert on behalf of Missing People. CRA wouldn't and couldn't have helped poor little April. The police and the media dealt with it.

The fact - and it IS a fact - is that when a very young child goes missing in UK the police and the media do a great job and so do the public.

The fact - and it IS a fact - is that Child Rescue Alert is being promoted by Kate McCann and Coral Jones which wouldn't have benefitted the disappearance of their children. What power these charities have to suggest that it's about very young children when it's not.

I could go on and on. I'm posting up the CRA article. Just take a look at the first line which I've highlighted and the picture of a small child.


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[ltr]25/05/2015:  [/ltr]
Today, International Missing Children’s Day, marks the first anniversary of the launch of the enhanced Child Rescue Alert. The system is managed in partnership between Missing People, CEOP, a command of the National Crime Agency, and GroupCall. It has been made possible thanks to players of People’s Postcode Lottery Dream Fund.

Over the past year, the Child Rescue Alert partners have worked hard to raise awareness of the system by consistently building its reach through major new partnerships and by encouraging members of the public to sign up at over 65 sign up events and through high profile national media coverage. There are now 287,000 people signed up to receive the alerts.

Further highlights over the past year have included:
- A fundraising dinner at London’s Mondrian Hotel, in October
- A feature on Good Morning Britain in November highlighting the system, which lead to a further 70,000 sign-ups. Following the feature, the Child Rescue Alert app was in the top 100 most popular apps on app store Google Play.
       
- December saw the beginning of a partnership with Royal Mail Group. With 124,000 Royal Mail staff receiving alerts on their PDA and more eyes and ears than ever before to the ground when a high-risk child goes missing. The partnership between the charity Missing People and Royal Mail, which includes Child Rescue Alert, has recently been recognised with a Business Charity Award. 
 
- The first enhanced Child Rescue Alert was launched in March, with the subject on the alert, a 14 year old girl from Nottingham, being found safe and well within 24 hours of the alert being issued. 

We would like to take this opportunity to thank all of the Child Rescue Alert partners who have joined up to receive the alerts this year and recognise the enormous value in this ground-breaking national system. Over the coming year we will look forward to further building the network of partners and members of the public who sign up to receive the alert seeing this project go from strength to strength.

[ltr]11/03/2015:  [/ltr]
On 10 March 2015 the first, national Child Rescue Alert in the UK, was issued using the new system.  A 14 year old girl went missing from her home in Nottinghamshire. The Police ordered an alert be issued and the system went into action.  Groupcall’s dedicated software ensured that every subscriber to Child Rescue Alert received the alert. The alert appeared on Facebook pages and Twitter feeds and on the hand held devices of 124,000 Royal Mail postal workers.

Thankfully the child was found safe and well less than 24 hours later.  Jo Youle Missing People Chief Executive said : “The Child Rescue Alert process went seamlessly and it's great that the child was found. Child Rescue Alert would not be possible without the National Crime Agency, Groupcall players of People’s Postcode Lottery, Royal Mail, LexisNexis, BHS, Press Association and Child Rescue Alert Patrons.”

And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.

Joss wrote:And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.

Joss, holiday packs, luggage tags (need I say more) and a really dreadful daytime telly item by Fiona Philips (patron of Missing People) about tagging your kids on the beach in case you lose them.

It's also worth noting that Missing People have no remit (it's somewhere in the labyrinth of their website) to deal with children missing abroad.

I really do wish someone would look into this charity.

aquila wrote:

Joss wrote:And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.

Joss, holiday packs, luggage tags (need I say more) and a really dreadful daytime telly item by Fiona Philips (patron of Missing People) about tagging your kids on the beach in case you lose them.

It's also worth noting that Missing People have no remit (it's somewhere in the labyrinth of their website) to deal with children missing abroad.

I really do wish someone would look into this charity.

Agree.

Tony Bennett wrote:As is clear already, this Missing People bike ride is very much in the public eye - and expected to be ever more so as the event moves ever closer to London.

I've been having a quick look around the McCann-doubting FB groups, and sad to say I have seen some of people's frustration, anger and even hatred towards the McCanns spilling out into some very nasty comments indeed, some much worse than some of Brenda Leyland's worst.

If sections of the government and the mainstream media want another excuse to clamp down on the internet, take powers to close down websites and forums, send internet trolls to prison for longer than two years etc., nothing would suit them better just now than to be able to extract some of the nastiest comments and to make hay with them, alongside picutures of a grieving mother valiantly striving to raise money for a worthy cause.

Just look, for example, at how the Sun ably milked the willing nastinesss of Rosalinda Hutton, aided and abetted as we know by Sonia Poulton.  

And this is still how much of the population will see it - nasty people hounding a noble, brave woman. Probably that's much how the man-in-the-street  also assessed the nasty tweets and the suicide of Brenda Leyland, even though we mightr see it rather differently here. 

So I hope if members here happen to see any of these nasty comments in the next few days, they will help to get them removed. They will only do harm to the cause of forums like this one.

Film-makers like Jenny Kleeman may be watching closely

Not content to discredit independent witnesses, Bennett now wants to silence McCann critics.
How much proof do his gullible flock need to see through this creep.
You are on the McCon payroll Bennett.
Your time is coming sleazeball.

Joss wrote:And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.

Even if they had it in Portugal, how does it work in cases where the child is so young they have no way to get themselves more than a few feet of where they last where?  In that case the police and people in the locality are allready looking - no  alert needed apart from calling the police.  If a 14 year old goes missing and went away by their own choice it makes sense for the public to be alerted and looking out for them on public transport, shops, public places they might have been etc.

   If a very young child is taken or goes missing and the child was abducted by some one for criminal purposes, sad to say but it will not really help if the public are 'on the look out' as the perpetrator will carry out things quickly and away from public places. Again alerting the police is the only real strategy for finding that child.

  To me this role for the missing persons charity is all about associating the McCann case with 'Abduction' over all else.  K. McCann wants to campaign for this alert because it implies that their case was one of abuduction, the message is loud and clear, abduction occured in their case otherwise why would KM be campaigning for such an alert?     If the campaign is successful or not makes no difference, being seen to support it is important.
 
''If your child went missing wouldn’t you want the world to stop and look for them? A Child Rescue Alert is activated when a child is known to have been abducted or their life is believed to be at immediate risk. Every second counts and your support is vital.

ChippyM wrote:

Joss wrote:And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.

Even if they had it in Portugal, how does it work in cases where the child is so young they have no way to get themselves more than a few feet of where they last where?  In that case the police and people in the locality are allready looking - no  alert needed apart from calling the police.  If a 14 year old goes missing and went away by their own choice it makes sense for the public to be alerted and looking out for them on public transport, shops, public places they might have been etc.

   If a very young child is taken or goes missing and the child was abducted by some one for criminal purposes, sad to say but it will not really help if the public are 'on the look out' as the perpetrator will carry out things quickly and away from public places. Again alerting the police is the only real strategy for finding that child.

  To me this role for the missing persons charity is all about associating the McCann case with 'Abduction' over all else.  K. McCann wants to campaign for this alert because it implies that their case was one of abuduction, the message is loud and clear, abduction occured in their case otherwise why would KM be campaigning for such an alert?     If the campaign is successful or not makes no difference, being seen to support it is important.
 
''If your child went missing wouldn’t you want the world to stop and look for them? A Child Rescue Alert is activated when a child is known to have been abducted or their life is believed to be at immediate risk. Every second counts and your support is vital.

I think the alert systems are a good way to get the info. of a missing child out there for sure. It doesn't save every child, but does help locate some, and of course every minute is vital, especially within the first 24-48 hrs. in such a case.
And K. McC is no  example of a mother who's child was abducted IMO, considering there is absolutely no evidence of an abduction having taken place in the case of her daughter's disappearance. Maybe she is doing this type of thing to relieve her conscience, who knows?

'rumour' has it J Mc, who resigned from the Madeleine's 'fund', board of directors, is not on this 'cycle challenge' for 'the fun of it'.
He's 'there' as a 'chaperone' to 'hot lips' Healy and Webster to er, prevent 'leakage', as Hobs would say, ('loose lips, sink ships' and all that.)
Just a 'rumour' until, possibly, 'firmed up'.

J Mc possibly 'there' to 'prevent' another KM, outside Lisbon court, um, 'outburst/tirade'?

Not saying, just saying.

Missing People

Charity Registration No. 1020419

Missing People offer a lifeline for the 250,000 people who run away and go missing each year. For those left behind we provide specialised support to ease the heartache and confusion, and help search for their missing loved ones.
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".......and HELP SEARCH for their missing loved ones"

Have MP ever 'searched' for Madeleine?

Presumeably they will have a 'record' of their specific 'searching' for Madeleine, over the last 8 years, won't they?

The thing is, WHY would MP even 'bother' to 'search', for Madeleine, when Madeleine's own parents have stated, publicly, and in print, that they 'were glad the investigation' (into Madeleine's 'disappearance') WAS CLOSED'?

And it 'didn't matter' to them, if the investigation, was ever, re-opened.

What do MP, real volunteers, and real people who have missing family members, 'make' of those two statements, by a MP 'ambassador'?

tinkier wrote:And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.




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Thanks for the Info. & the link Tink,

Can`t do a link from my tablet but the comments on the Daily Express article of yesterday are worth a read. The link is prominent on Google search.

Jeanmonroe
Perhaps Goncalo Amaral could use the argument in court of how unhelpful the Tapas 9 friends were any appeal,produce their statements as they are case files of what the truth was according to their statements, as I am sure no one forced them to behave the way they did since 3 May 2007, pact of Silence, eh Clarence, just friends recollections of their recent holiday held in a secret Golf course, when they were not to talk about the case!?

mysterion wrote:Can`t do a link from my tablet but the comments on the Daily Express article of yesterday are worth a read. The link is prominent on Google search.

A link is posted on page 7 of this thread.

jeanmonroe wrote:Rumour has it that John McCann, who resigned from the Madeleine's Fund Board of Directors, is not on this cycle challenge for 'the fun of it'. He's there as a chaperone to [Kate McCann and Fiona Payne]...

And here is John McCann, tucking into his roast beef and Yorkshire pudding:

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And more from the most-publicised bike ride in the UK since the Tour de France came to England:

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PLUS pics of two happy celebrity bike riders:

LANCE ARMSTRONG

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DR KATE McCANN

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DR KATE McCANN

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aww.......what a happy little sole k mcc is .not a care in the world .has she

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Wow... Do have a look.  44 comments, including one from PeterMac 

George Harper, please join our forum!

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Wow... Do have a look.  44 comments, including one from PeterMac 

George Harper, please join our forum!

No thanks...

"...perfect murder executed..."

That opinion is not shared by the majority here.

PeterMacs post scuppered by a scurrilous accusation.

Problem-reaction-solution.

There is a game going on here.

BlueBag wrote:

There is a game going on here.

Yes - and with extraordinarily high stakes

BlueBag wrote:
"...perfect murder executed..."
That opinion is not shared by the majority here.

PeterMacs post scuppered by a scurrilous accusation.

Not sure it is entirely "scuppered"
It was on the list of hypotheses put forward in the early days by the PJ team, when they had open minds.
I personally do not think this is the correct word to use.
Constructive manslaughter by deliberate and calculated and repeated and ADMITTED negligence being slightly closer !
But probably not QUITE close enough

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Edmund Davies LJ in Church:
"the unlawful act must be such as all sober and reasonable people would inevitably recognise must subject the other person to, at least, the risk of some harm resulting therefrom, albeit not serious harm."

and a lot later in the diatribe
"Consequently it need only be established that the defendant had the mens rea of the unlawful act committed. There is no requirement of mens rea in relation to the ensuing death."


Unlike in Portugal, where there IS. This is why they were not charged with Wilful Abandonment.

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Tony Bennett wrote:

DR KATE McCANN

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aww.......what a happy little sole k mcc is .not a care in the world .has she

Fi with plaited pigtails - David will just love that.

Has anyone managed to find out the names of the other 17/21 'riders' on this 'adventure'(KM)?

So, that's Edinburgh and Newcastle 'searched' for Madeleine, sadly with no 'discovery' of her.

Perhaps she'll be found 'hiding' in York Minster, tomorrow, before they leave for Nottingham.

Keep 'em peeled, 'uncle' John, Kate, Fi.

PeterMac wrote:

BlueBag wrote:
"...perfect murder executed..."
That opinion is not shared by the majority here.

PeterMacs post scuppered by a scurrilous accusation.

Not sure it is entirely "scuppered"
It was on the list of hypotheses put forward in the early days by the PJ team, when they had open minds.
I personally do not think this is the correct word to use.
Constructive manslaughter by deliberate and calculated and repeated and ADMITTED negligence being slightly closer !
But probably not QUITE close enough

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Edmund Davies LJ in Church:
"the unlawful act must be such as all sober and reasonable people would inevitably recognise must subject the other person to, at least, the risk of some harm resulting therefrom, albeit not serious harm."

and a lot later in the diatribe
"Consequently it need only be established that the defendant had the mens rea of the unlawful act committed. There is no requirement of mens rea in relation to the ensuing death."


Unlike in Portugal, where there IS.  This is why they were not charged with Wilful Abandonment.

Whatever happened there is zero evidence she was deliberately killed.

We have to be careful and precise about what we say otherwise we won't last long.

Accusations of murder are ammunition for the other side.

I notice Basil Brush has attached some nonsense to your second post. Apparently she was murdered by Saville and the 9th Circle whoever they are.

What a game.

Two tireless Charity workers.

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BlueBag wrote:
Whatever happened there is zero evidence she was deliberately killed.
We have to be careful and precise about what we say otherwise we won't last long.
Accusations of murder are ammunition for the other side.
I notice Basil Brush has attached some nonsense to your second post. Apparently she was murdered by Saville and the 9th Circle whoever they are.
What a game.

They did allow my second comment,

PeterMac9 hours ago
I don't think anyone who has read the evidence believes they killed Madeleine. And your use of that word is therefore inappropriate. I think, subject to correction, that most people tend towards the view that Madeleine may have died accidentally, perhaps by falling onto the marble floor behind the sofa, and that the parents then made a bad decision in concealing this, rather than admitting they had not been checking the children, as they subsequently claimed. Other parents have made that bad decision before, and will no doubt do so again.

I think his second reply 'scuppers' him.