Brits already forking out en-masse for Maddie cop libel appeal

aquila wrote:@ Portia, I've taken your very valid point on board.

@ Knitted, I did give you a bit of a hard time and I apologise for that. I'm sorry to hear of your circumstances and I hope you recover very soon.

@ Tony and lj, your posts speak for themselves. I too hope that people don't forget not only the contribution TB has made to finding out what happened to Madeleine but remember him too when he's forking out £125 per month.

aquila wrote:

LG wrote:With regards to the GoFundMe appeal for GA set up by Leanne Baulch ....

All donations go directly to the PJGA bank account, as if the monies were made directly to their site.
Their latest announcement is here.
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As some will be aware, the GFM page was reported for fraud, within hours of it being started.  It took some considerable time and effort, on Leanne's part, to reinstate it BUT since it has been we know that it has been looked at in detail and passed as fit!

With regards to the £12.00 donations for a 12th Birthday gift for MBM, this was not Leanne's idea.  It was an idea posted on Twitter which filtered to FB and taken up by many.

I have confirmed the above with Leanne, whom I have never met, and post this in the interest of truth and fairness.

I've donated and I never thought for one minute there was anything wrong with the GFM effort.

Nina wrote:I hope that fund will not have been harmed by Tony's comments.
Thank you LG for your post.
I hope there will be a retraction and apology.
I will say no more as am angry beyond words.

LG wrote:My post was never intended as a "pop" at Tony, someone whom I have great respect for.

It was made solely to clarify the situation regarding how the GoFundMe account had been set up,where the monies were actually being deposited and to set the record straight regarding the £12.00 donations.

Nothing more, nothing less.

£100
Tony Bennett
26 mins ago
I have today been advised that all funds raised via this site will go direct to the PJGA fund for Dr Amaral's legal expenses and am pleased to make a modest contribution for these reasons: 1. It is intolerable that anyone accused of libel should have to wait nearly 6 years from the date of service of a writ (June 2009 in this case) for a verdict 2. The verdict by the Lisbon court last month was perverse. Both the Portuguese Appeal Court (October 2010) and the Portuguese Supreme Court (March 2011) held that Dr Amaral's book was a legitimate use of his right to freedom of expression, under Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, and as a result they allowed his book to be sold, overturning an earlier ban. The Lisbon court should have followed their decisions 3. Dr Amaral has good prospects for success in his appeal, given the previous Appeal & Supreme Court decisions 4. 99% of his book is based on information in the files of the Portuguese Police which in any event has already been in the public domain since July 2008, and all of which can conveniently be accessed via the mccannpjfiles website 5. The McCanns have been able to afford the best lawyers that money can buy to pursue various defensive and offensive legal actions. By contrast, Dr Amaral has had substantial proportions of his captal and income impounded by the state. I hope that the money raised by this appeal will enable him to afford a good quality and influential lawyer

Tony Bennett wrote:Thank you for the information.

I did not know until I got this confirmation that funds were going direct to the PJGA bank account, indeed I understood it was all in the name of Leanne Baulch only. One has to be very careful about all appeals and check the facts.

Armed with this information, I have just made a donation to the GoFundMe appeal

Tony

aquila wrote:

LG wrote:With regards to the GoFundMe appeal for GA set up by Leanne Baulch ....

All donations go directly to the PJGA bank account, as if the monies were made directly to their site.
Their latest announcement is here.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

As some will be aware, the GFM page was reported for fraud, within hours of it being started.  It took some considerable time and effort, on Leanne's part, to reinstate it BUT since it has been we know that it has been looked at in detail and passed as fit!

With regards to the £12.00 donations for a 12th Birthday gift for MBM, this was not Leanne's idea.  It was an idea posted on Twitter which filtered to FB and taken up by many.

I have confirmed the above with Leanne, whom I have never met, and post this in the interest of truth and fairness.

I've donated and I never thought for one minute there was anything wrong with the GFM effort.

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Portia, I don't know why your quotes never work for you but could you draw a line under the posts you are quoting before you post your comment so that it's easier for us to read your comments?

If you get me drift?

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Like this?

Knitted wrote:

aquila wrote:Snipped:
There is good reason for people who normally post in their own name to donate anonymously and of course it's everyone's choice to do so

Personally I just don't get the "anti" or the "pro" labels that are bandied around. I read the Twitter feed that shows on this portal with much fascination, and not a little 'incredulous disgust'. As I don't 'get' Twitter it means that 9 times out of 10 I have no clue one which "side" A.N.Other is on, as it all seems that what's most important is who can sling the most obscure cryptic abuse at the opposition. To those of us that don't 'do' Twitter it seems like a cesspit of puerile angst!

Can't people just let the facts speaks for themselves?... If people focused on evidence then it really doesn't matter what 'side' people may, or may not, be. "res ipsa loquitur"

What matters is that even with no evidence one way or the other there's a c.90% chance that Madeleine was killed by a parent or a close  adult male acquaintance. Add to the mix the evidence of Eddie & Keela. Then add to the mix the the actions and statements of the T9. Then add to the mix the altered exif data of the Last Photo, (Then add to the mix the blatant shills on here with their 'Ghost Dogs' and fascination with 'fashions'...anyone would think they were prompted by pig-ignorant failed politicians the way they soooo misjudge free-thinkers!). Then add to the mix (if this was a genuine abduction) the utterly unwarranted and expedient intervention of HMG... and it's clear (at least to me) that Madeleine died that week, and the name of her killer and of all those that covered up her death are already VERY well known on this forum.

Me? I donated a paltry amount .   All that I thought I could   I felt guilty at what little I'd given and thus I donated anonymously. Why?  Well, I run an online business and have done for 4yrs.  I am perhaps 2 or 3 weeks away from bankruptcy (naively I thought I could 'beat the system' and run a genuinely people-focused business that put service ahead of money... but the 'system' seems to have beaten me).  Running an online business I am at the mercy of any old nutter (and there are many!) that has a hissy-fit, let alone anyone that wants to cause trouble by giving any of my e-shops a negative rating.  My only 'satisfaction' over the last 4yrs has so far been 100% feedback from all of my customers, but I live in daily dread of getting a negative (having complained in my own name to the IPCC and the Met).

Once I am officially bankrupt (seemingly very soon ), and have nothing to lose, I'll be happy to use my real name. I may then even change my name on here. (though as you know, I was once Sonmi-451...and since I have been regularly condemned by you for ever having the audacity to change my name I know damn-well what I'll be letting myself in for!!!).

So, in summary:  I think people such as Tony B, Jill, PMac, and numerous others, have given an awful lot of themselves already. If they give 50p or £100 is irrelevant. If Rosalind donates nothing at all "so what"? What's more relevant is looking at the number of online 'Shares'...the ratio of 'likes'... and the number of people that "think something is iffy" with Madeleine's (almost certain) death...and comparing it to the value of the donations given (n.b. I trust the donations will go to GA's account in full).

Working it out that way the amount donated is sadly low (more people had 'shared' than had given £1 last time I looked). Maybe that's what counts these days? A banal 'click' is worth more than making a few more clicks to actually donate? Do the politics matter? All that surely matters is donations regardless of who does it?

espeland wrote:

£100
Tony Bennett
26 mins ago
I have today been advised that all funds raised via this site will go direct to the PJGA fund for Dr Amaral's legal expenses and am pleased to make a modest contribution for these reasons: 1. It is intolerable that anyone accused of libel should have to wait nearly 6 years from the date of service of a writ (June 2009 in this case) for a verdict 2. The verdict by the Lisbon court last month was perverse. Both the Portuguese Appeal Court (October 2010) and the Portuguese Supreme Court (March 2011) held that Dr Amaral's book was a legitimate use of his right to freedom of expression, under Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, and as a result they allowed his book to be sold, overturning an earlier ban. The Lisbon court should have followed their decisions 3. Dr Amaral has good prospects for success in his appeal, given the previous Appeal & Supreme Court decisions 4. 99% of his book is based on information in the files of the Portuguese Police which in any event has already been in the public domain since July 2008, and all of which can conveniently be accessed via the mccannpjfiles website 5. The McCanns have been able to afford the best lawyers that money can buy to pursue various defensive and offensive legal actions. By contrast, Dr Amaral has had substantial proportions of his captal and income impounded by the state. I hope that the money raised by this appeal will enable him to afford a good quality and influential lawyer

A very generous donation, given that a huge chunk of Tony's pension has been claimed by Sue, Grabbit and Runne.

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espeland wrote:

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Unfortunately I can't claim the credit for it, it is used by Private Eye.

aquila wrote:Come on Rosalinda Hutton, where is your donation in your own name to Goncalo Amaral's fund?

It doesn't matter if it's a penny or a pound. To have donated nothing in your own name is odd given you have lambasted people for not posting in their own names.

People on this forum have donated in their own names.

Where's your donation? or have you moved onto a higher plain and you are looking at the big picture having appeared on TPV to speak about the Libel Trial where you actually said nothing of value and managed to speak about your own book, how your were hounded by trolls on twitter and didn't bother to mention Goncalo Amaral's book.

Come on Ros, where do you actually stand on anything nowadays?

katie_mc wrote:

aquila wrote:Come on Rosalinda Hutton, where is your donation in your own name to Goncalo Amaral's fund?

It doesn't matter if it's a penny or a pound. To have donated nothing in your own name is odd given you have lambasted people for not posting in their own names.

People on this forum have donated in their own names.

Where's your donation? or have you moved onto a higher plain and you are looking at the big picture having appeared on TPV to speak about the Libel Trial where you actually said nothing of value and managed to speak about your own book, how your were hounded by trolls on twitter and didn't bother to mention Goncalo Amaral's book.

Come on Ros, where do you actually stand on anything nowadays?

Aquila can I ask you to please stop using this thread to bash people on whether they have donated. 

If you have a personal gripe with her cant you take it up on her blog where she is more likely to respond. 

Let's keep this fund positive and encouraging.

aquila wrote:

katie_mc wrote:

aquila wrote:Come on Rosalinda Hutton, where is your donation in your own name to Goncalo Amaral's fund?

It doesn't matter if it's a penny or a pound. To have donated nothing in your own name is odd given you have lambasted people for not posting in their own names.

People on this forum have donated in their own names.

Where's your donation? or have you moved onto a higher plain and you are looking at the big picture having appeared on TPV to speak about the Libel Trial where you actually said nothing of value and managed to speak about your own book, how your were hounded by trolls on twitter and didn't bother to mention Goncalo Amaral's book.

Come on Ros, where do you actually stand on anything nowadays?

Aquila can I ask you to please stop using this thread to bash people on whether they have donated. 

If you have a personal gripe with her cant you take it up on her blog where she is more likely to respond. 

Let's keep this fund positive and encouraging.

Sometimes I'm out of order and I apologise but in this instance I believe I'm not.

Cristobell's blog only prints things that Rosalinda Hutton chooses to publish on her blog.

katie_mc wrote:

aquila wrote:

katie_mc wrote:

aquila wrote:Come on Rosalinda Hutton, where is your donation in your own name to Goncalo Amaral's fund?

It doesn't matter if it's a penny or a pound. To have donated nothing in your own name is odd given you have lambasted people for not posting in their own names.

People on this forum have donated in their own names.

Where's your donation? or have you moved onto a higher plain and you are looking at the big picture having appeared on TPV to speak about the Libel Trial where you actually said nothing of value and managed to speak about your own book, how your were hounded by trolls on twitter and didn't bother to mention Goncalo Amaral's book.

Come on Ros, where do you actually stand on anything nowadays?

Aquila can I ask you to please stop using this thread to bash people on whether they have donated. 

If you have a personal gripe with her cant you take it up on her blog where she is more likely to respond. 

Let's keep this fund positive and encouraging.

Sometimes I'm out of order and I apologise but in this instance I believe I'm not.

Cristobell's blog only prints things that Rosalinda Hutton chooses to publish on her blog.

It's coming across to me like a personal crusade because you don't like someone. Who gives a toss if she's donated or not.

aquila wrote:It's really exciting to watch the contributions mounting. Only £130 to go to reach 80% of the target. The £20k barrier will be broken today methinks.

melisande wrote:

aquila wrote:It's really exciting to watch the contributions mounting. Only £130 to go to reach 80% of the target. The £20k barrier will be broken today methinks.

An average of around £17 every hour would have the £20k barrier broken by midnight 

aquila wrote:

melisande wrote:

aquila wrote:It's really exciting to watch the contributions mounting. Only £130 to go to reach 80% of the target. The £20k barrier will be broken today methinks.

An average of around £17 every hour would have the £20k barrier broken by midnight 

A very generous darling called PM has just smashed the barrier.

aquila wrote:The fund is now at £24,420

This latest comment from a Scottish contributor has tickled me pink

Goncalo, here are a couple of satirical jokes to cheer you up from our Sage Frankie Boyle on his recent election autopsy programme – “I don’t read newspapers anymore, I just lie to myself and cut out the middle man” About the Tories opinion of Scotland –“I feel they hate us after the independence referendum, they know if we had gone they would have no energy except burning suppressed paedophile dossiers which means England will run out of fuel in 250 years” Says it all really!

HelenMeg wrote:

aquila wrote:The fund is now at £24,420

This latest comment from a Scottish contributor has tickled me pink

Goncalo, here are a couple of satirical jokes to cheer you up from our Sage Frankie Boyle on his recent election autopsy programme – “I don’t read newspapers anymore, I just lie to myself and cut out the middle man” About the Tories opinion of Scotland –“I feel they hate us after the independence referendum, they know if we had gone they would have no energy except burning suppressed paedophile dossiers which means England will run out of fuel in 250 years” Says it all really!

Just to correct - at £20420! -