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Post by Liz Eagles 09.05.15 19:25

I remember watching the McCanns on a daytime telly sofa with the mother and sister of Katrice Lee and a senior UK police officer.

The McCanns were afforded more air-time than Katrice Lee's family in this interview. Their body language towards the family of Katrice Lee's mother and sister was less than heartwarming.

I also remember the McCanns in a photo shoot in front of a very important building in London with the parents of other missing children. The parents were holding posters of their missing child. Kate McCann was at the forefront and the poster of Madeleine was larger than the poster of all the others.

People shout about lack of investigation and funds into the disappearance of Ben Needham. Katrice Lee is just a post on Missing Kids and from what I see nothing has been done and yet it was so important to get the disappearance of Katrice onto mainstream telly with the McCanns to show kids go missing abroad.

This is one big, fat, huge campaign that has little to do with the individual children involved who have been hand-picked to further an agenda - what that agenda is I don't know. I do know it doesn't sit well in my stomach.

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Post by PeterMac 09.05.15 22:07

aquila wrote: Katrice Lee is just a post on Missing Kids . .  

Let us NEVER fall into tho the trap of thinking that these Missing People, or PACT , charities actually DO anything positive to find people or children.
They exist for an entirely different purpose.  To keep their Senior execs in Champagne,

Missing People, KM's current favourite one, is hoping she will raise £ 10,000 doing a bike ride, whilst simultaneously advertising TWO posts, which together will absorb £ 55,000 (approx)
Not a single penny will go to finding a single missing person.   That is not what they do. They are there to "raise awareness . . ."

Have look at
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Better still I reproduce it here.


The Great Charity Scam

Most people when faced with the word charity attached to an institution are inclined to be well disposed to the organisation regardless of what the charity is supposed to do.  If it is a popular area of work, such as medical research or the provision of services to disabled children, rationality goes out of the window.  Hardly anyone questions how the money is spent or how much of it actually goes to the people the charity are supposedly helping. Even fewer ask where charities get their money from, the public commonly  subscribing to the  benign but erroneous assumption that it is collected largely from money put into collecting boxes or donations made by the living or the dead directly to charities. There is a further commonly believed  fantasy that those collecting for charities are  unpaid volunteers cheerfully giving their time out of  pure altruism, a fantasy which quite incredibly often extends to  that  persistent nuisance known as  “chuggers”  who aggressively buttonhole  people in the street.

The truth is a great deal more complex and murkier than the general public imagines.  The most dramatic subversion of charities comes in the form of national and local governments directing taxpayers’ money to charities to perform work which would otherwise be undertaken either directly by the public body or through the employment of a private enterprise contractor.  The charities who accept  public money – and the vast majority of the larger ones do – become no more than subcontractors  to  government.

The extent of  public funding is massive:  In 2010 the Charities Commission (which oversees charities in England and Wales) concluded  “that almost a quarter of the large charities consider public sector funding to be their most important source of income. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/government-cutbacks-could-wipe-out-25-per-cent-of-charities-1926155.html). In February 2010 ‘ Cardiff University’s school of social sciences on behalf of the public services union Unison predicted that many charities will go bust” [because of coalition cuts in funding]’ and concluded  that ‘More than half of charities’ income now comes from government contracts to deliver public services.’  (ibid).

The use of charities to provide public services  fits in with the Coalition Government’s  drive to subcontract public provision. This means that all three major British political parties officially support the use of charities as government subcontractors, albeit  half-heartedly by the LibDems. Whoever is in power for the foreseeable future, it is a fair bet that the relationship between charities and the Government will broaden and deepen.

As for fundraising from the public, “chuggers”  are paid, a basic and sometimes  bonuses.   They work for fundraising firms who receive payments from a charity for every recruited donor. (http://www.pfra.org.uk/face-to-face_fundraising/do_you_object_to_chuggers/they_are_paid/).  Many of the larger charities run regular raffles. My experience of these is that once a raffle a raffle has been entered  they will not only send  details of all future raffles but in many cases send out second letters urging entry into the raffle if an entry has not been received a few weeks before the closing date. I  have also been positively bombarded with requests, both by letter and email, for  donations not only from charities to which  I have donated , but also from  charities to  which I have never contributed .   This can only mean charities sell on donors details to other charities and quite probably to private business.

The other prime problem with  charities, even large ones, is the fact that they are often very inefficient. The poorly run ones spend a great deal on administration.  They spend inordinate  amounts  on advertising. They hoard money rather than spend it. They manage their money poorly. They fail to modernise their services. Their accounts are inadequate. The idea that charities will be more efficient than direct public provision  is simply laughable. Not only do they suffer from the structural ills of public service they lack any proper  public accountability. Charities are audited each year, but that audit is much less demanding than the audit required of large public companies. Moreover, their frequent failure to keep adequate records makes  any audit of the use of public money very difficult. It would also be a very  expensive job to monitor their spending of public  money meaningfully.

Take the case of Scope, the charity previously known as the Spastics Society, which aids those with cerebral palsy.  It is a mainstream charity of just the sort to attract public sympathy in large measure. The first thing to note is that it changed its name in 1994 from something everyone could immediately understand – the Spastics Society- to something which most people would not have a clue about. The charity had allowed itself to be seduced by the marketing sirens.  It is difficult to imagine this confusion did not have some effect on fundraising.

In January 2006 Scope announced it was shutting 50 of its shops because it had a predicted £310 million deficit. (Daily Telegraph 13/01/2006). The Telegraph account went on to disclose that Scope’s last accounts showed that it was budgeting to spend £35.6 million more than it received in the financial year 2006/7, that there was a hole in its pension fund and that its buildings suffer widespread dilapidation through lack of investment.  I think most people who think about it would be somewhat disturbed by the idea that a charity had a pension fund of any size and that a substantial part of their donations are going to fund it. Charities in the public mind are thought of as institutions where people offer their services either free or at a discounted rate. The idea that their paid employees are just like any other employee does not fit comfortably with the public’s idea of charity.

One of the directors of Scope Jan Hildreth at that time  (he was also a former director-general of the Institute of Directors summed up the mentality of his and many other charities: “Like many charities, the concern of the society has always been its activity and not its finances.”(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1507717/Scope-to-close-50-charity-shops-as-10m-loss-looms.html). Interestingly  Scope blamed part of its plight on ‘the Government for underfunding services it provides, such as residential and school places.  “It wants our services, but it doesn’t want to pay for them,” the spokesman said. “This is a drain on our coffers.” ‘ (ibid).

To inefficiency add fraud. The National Fraud Authority estimates  internal and external fraud against the charities costs £1.3 billion a year ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

The use of charities as government sub-contractors has other pernicious effects. It allows a government to evade responsibility even more effectively than the employment of private companies does because charities, especially popular ones,  throw up a moral shield. As mentioned above people feel that money spent by a charity is a good in itself. That applies even when it is taxpayers’ money.

Often the public is not even aware that public money has gone to a charity. This means that governments can support unpopular policies, such as those associated with political correctness, without the general public being aware that public money is being used to promote the policies. A  government can also make charitable donation part of their PR because they can  gain kudos from the public by publicising their donations of taxpayers’ money to popular charities.

As the Scope complaint quoted above suggests, governments may also see  charities as a cheap means of public provision. Whether it is or not is another matter – personally I would doubt it because of the widespread incompetence in the charity world.. There is a further objection to the use of charities as publicly funded providers. They have a moral and civic role. The whole point of a charity is that it is the product of the individual will, a conglomeration of the active decisions of those who choose to make a contribution.  It is part of what academics like to call civil society, those institutions which men naturally form in a free society and which fall outside the ambit of the state. Lose or even seriously diminish those institutions and the state determines all, for there is nothing to oppose it or offer an alternative.

Making a charity simply or largely a client of government undermines the very idea of charity. There is every chance that if charities are seen as arms of government, private donations to them will begin to dry up. That in turn would have spending implications for the taxpayer, because although often inefficient,  charities do fund a considerable amount of what would therwise be described as public provision. The taxpayer would end up footing the bill for extra public provision.

State funding also makes charities forget their original role. The  natural tendency for charities who become heavily dependent on public money is to  cease to view their organisation as a charity and see it simply as a business.  There was a good example in the news this week.  The St John’s Ambulance (SJA), a charity which provides medical services at most major public event in Britain and which is much admired by the public has decided to “rationalise” the charity by moving from a system of localism with money raised in an area being spent there to a centralised  treasury which will collect all the money raised throughout the UK  and distribute it as their  central management sees fit.  The volunteers fear that the change will make people less willing to volunteer for unpaid work.  As the SJA has 1,600 paid staff and 40,000 volunteers, the effect  of the change could be dramatic.  (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8684165/St-John-Ambulance-abandoning-volunteers-over-restructure-project.html).

The SJA also displays another unpretty trait of modern charities; the expansion of highly paid posts. The proposed SJA  reform will involve  the creation of “ eight regional directors will be created on salaries of £80,000 a year plus benefits to represent London, the south east, south west, East Midlands, West Midlands, East of England, North-West and North East.”  (Ibid).  Salaries exceeding £100.000 for chief executives are common (http://society.guardian.co.uk/salarysurvey/table/0,12406,1042677,00.html).  Sometimes the percentage of donations taken by senior staff is astonishing. Take PACT, a charity run by the wife of Sir Anthony Meyer, with Cherie Blair – a close friend of Lady Meyer – as patron. Here is the Mandrake column in the Telegraph reporting on 25 May 2011 “… all but £9,500 of the money received in donations by Pact, which stands for Parents & Abducted Children Together, was paid to the Chanel-clad Catherine Meyer, who is the chief executive, and to one member of staff.

“Lady Meyer, who is also its president, and her employee were paid a total of £49,586. Lady Meyer received almost 70 per cent of that sum. Pact’s income from donations was £59,056 and it received a further £38,234 in grants…

“We are doing a huge amount of work for very little salary,” she said. “I used to work in the City and earned much more.”

Her husband, and six of Pact’s 11 trustees, added in a letter: “We consider it to be at the low end of the pay scale for chief
executives of charities with a demanding brief. “(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/8534133/Cherie-Blair-is-in-no-hurry-to-speak-up-for-charity-boss-Lady-Meyer.html).
The example beautifully demonstrates the inability of those running charities to understand the difference between a business and a charity.

The danger for charities which lose their popular base and become dangerously dependent on public  funding is that they  run the risk of being left stranded when the economic tide goes out.  When, as is happening today, public funding is cut many will find that they cannot fill the gap because they have put too many of their campaigning eggs in one basket.

There is a further serious  problem, namely what is a  legitimate charity? Charity is big business. According to the Charity Commission, as at June 2001 there were 161,978 registered charities in England and Wales with a combined income of £56 billion (http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/About_us/About_charities/factfigures.aspx).   Is it
really possible that such a vast number of good causes exist which deserve the considerable privileges granted to them by the state?

Take our private schools (many of them bewilderingly for foreigners called public schools).  They are overwhelmingly charities. They also have in most cases a history of one hundred years or more. This means that the profit motive is absent and a quasi public-service (civil society) ethos has had time to evolve. Yet public schools – which get around £100 million tax relief – have always subsidised the education of the poorer middle-class children rather than the education of the truly poor. Why should they have status of a charity?

There are also many questionable cases where the charity exists to fund something which is essentially, even in principle,  a private or sectional interest, for example the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds. Why should the taxpayer subsidise such institutions?

The biggest charitable status bone of contention is political action.  The Charities Commission permits political campaigning  “Yes – any charity can become involved in campaigning and in political activity which further or support its charitable purposes, unless its governing document prohibits it” but bans charities having a political purpose “A charity cannot have a political purpose. Nor can a charity undertake political activity that is not relevant to, and does not have a reasonable likelihood of, supporting the charity’s charitable purposes”  (http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/publications/cc9.aspx#11).  This is completely impractical. For example, how can  a charity whose purpose is to support immigrants in applications for asylum, fight deportation and so forth not  have a political purpose?  There can also be the complication of  public funding which is a political matter in itself. Take the Immigration Advisory Service (IAS) which is currently insolvent,viz: .

” The Immigration Advisory Service (IAS), the largest provider of publically funded immigration and asylum legal advice,  advised today that it had been placed into administration. The IAS, a registered charity, has been in existence for 35 years, and employs 300 staff at 14 locations across England and Scotland. It is renowned for a large number of important legal precedent cases which have been taken through the Courts, including to the Court of Justice of the European Union and the European Court of Human Rights.

“The Governments reforms include the removal of immigration from the scope of legal aid, and a 10% cut in legal aid fees for refugees seeking asylum within the UK. Immigration accounts for around 60% of IAS’s income. There are few organisations that could cope with the compound effect of removal of immigration from the scope of legal aid and a cut in fees for asylum clients.

“The IAS has been in discussion with the Legal Services Commission (LSC) in an attempt to gain support for a solvent restructure of its operations. IAS had also tried to reach an agreement with LSC for an extended period to repay monies which (in common with many other firms) had been claimed in error, partly, in IAS’s view, due to the complex funding rules in place. The legal aid cuts put IAS in the position of needing to fund any repayment of these monies, from a much reduced income base, and as a result it has not proved possible to reach agreement on a way forward.” (http://www.iasuk.org/home.aspx).  How can that not be an organisation with a political purpose?

Charities epitomise the difficulties of mixing private and public. It is true that as non-profit making bodies they share some of the ethos of public service and the profit motive is absent, but their entanglement with government has utterly undermined their charitable status and moral stature.   How do we return them to  their proper purpose? Charitable status should only be granted to those who raise their own money. Paid fundraisers should be banned.  Limits should be put on the amounts spent on administration and advertising.  Charities should only be registered which undertake their entire work in the UK. Those currently registered which are inherently political should have their charitable status removed.  Only  those with a purpose which could potentially benefit anyone should be registered.  Examples would be those dealing with medical research or care of the old.

Impractical? A recipe for chaos? No. Much of what charities now do is what government should be doing. Governments would have to do their duty and either employ what are now charities as simple  subcontractors without charitable status or make other arrangements. A great deal of the rest is simple political action under the guise of charity or the subsidy of of particular  interests without any wider social benefit.  Some charities such as the IAS are directly opposed to the UK’s interests.  A radical review is required of what should constitute  a charity.
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Post by lj 09.05.15 23:35

PeterMac wrote:
aquila wrote: Katrice Lee is just a post on Missing Kids . .  

Let us NEVER fall into tho the trap of thinking that these Missing People, or PACT , charities actually DO anything positive to find people or children.
They exist for an entirely different purpose.  To keep their Senior execs in Champagne,

Missing People, KM's current favourite one, is hoping she will raise £ 10,000 doing a bike ride, whilst simultaneously advertising TWO posts, which together will absorb £ 55,000 (approx)
Not a single penny will go to finding a single missing person.   That is not what they do. They are there to "raise awareness . . ."

Have look at
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Better still I reproduce it here.


The Great Charity Scam

Most people when faced with the word charity attached to an institution are inclined to be well disposed to the organisation regardless of what the charity is supposed to do.  If it is a popular area of work, such as medical research or the provision of services to disabled children, rationality goes out of the window.  Hardly anyone questions how the money is spent or how much of it actually goes to the people the charity are supposedly helping. Even fewer ask where charities get their money from, the public commonly  subscribing to the  benign but erroneous assumption that it is collected largely from money put into collecting boxes or donations made by the living or the dead directly to charities. There is a further commonly believed  fantasy that those collecting for charities are  unpaid volunteers cheerfully giving their time out of  pure altruism, a fantasy which quite incredibly often extends to  that  persistent nuisance known as  “chuggers”  who aggressively buttonhole  people in the street.

The truth is a great deal more complex and murkier than the general public imagines.  The most dramatic subversion of charities comes in the form of national and local governments directing taxpayers’ money to charities to perform work which would otherwise be undertaken either directly by the public body or through the employment of a private enterprise contractor.  The charities who accept  public money – and the vast majority of the larger ones do – become no more than subcontractors  to  government.

The extent of  public funding is massive:  In 2010 the Charities Commission (which oversees charities in England and Wales) concluded  “that almost a quarter of the large charities consider public sector funding to be their most important source of income. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/government-cutbacks-could-wipe-out-25-per-cent-of-charities-1926155.html). In February 2010 ‘ Cardiff University’s school of social sciences on behalf of the public services union Unison predicted that many charities will go bust” [because of coalition cuts in funding]’ and concluded  that ‘More than half of charities’ income now comes from government contracts to deliver public services.’  (ibid).

The use of charities to provide public services  fits in with the Coalition Government’s  drive to subcontract public provision. This means that all three major British political parties officially support the use of charities as government subcontractors, albeit  half-heartedly by the LibDems. Whoever is in power for the foreseeable future, it is a fair bet that the relationship between charities and the Government will broaden and deepen.

As for fundraising from the public, “chuggers”  are paid, a basic and sometimes  bonuses.   They work for fundraising firms who receive payments from a charity for every recruited donor. (http://www.pfra.org.uk/face-to-face_fundraising/do_you_object_to_chuggers/they_are_paid/).  Many of the larger charities run regular raffles. My experience of these is that once a raffle a raffle has been entered  they will not only send  details of all future raffles but in many cases send out second letters urging entry into the raffle if an entry has not been received a few weeks before the closing date. I  have also been positively bombarded with requests, both by letter and email, for  donations not only from charities to which  I have donated , but also from  charities to  which I have never contributed .   This can only mean charities sell on donors details to other charities and quite probably to private business.

The other prime problem with  charities, even large ones, is the fact that they are often very inefficient. The poorly run ones spend a great deal on administration.  They spend inordinate  amounts  on advertising. They hoard money rather than spend it. They manage their money poorly. They fail to modernise their services. Their accounts are inadequate. The idea that charities will be more efficient than direct public provision  is simply laughable. Not only do they suffer from the structural ills of public service they lack any proper  public accountability. Charities are audited each year, but that audit is much less demanding than the audit required of large public companies. Moreover, their frequent failure to keep adequate records makes  any audit of the use of public money very difficult. It would also be a very  expensive job to monitor their spending of public  money meaningfully.

Take the case of Scope, the charity previously known as the Spastics Society, which aids those with cerebral palsy.  It is a mainstream charity of just the sort to attract public sympathy in large measure. The first thing to note is that it changed its name in 1994 from something everyone could immediately understand – the Spastics Society- to something which most people would not have a clue about. The charity had allowed itself to be seduced by the marketing sirens.  It is difficult to imagine this confusion did not have some effect on fundraising.

In January 2006 Scope announced it was shutting 50 of its shops because it had a predicted £310 million deficit. (Daily Telegraph 13/01/2006). The Telegraph account went on to disclose that Scope’s last accounts showed that it was budgeting to spend £35.6 million more than it received in the financial year 2006/7, that there was a hole in its pension fund and that its buildings suffer widespread dilapidation through lack of investment.  I think most people who think about it would be somewhat disturbed by the idea that a charity had a pension fund of any size and that a substantial part of their donations are going to fund it. Charities in the public mind are thought of as institutions where people offer their services either free or at a discounted rate. The idea that their paid employees are just like any other employee does not fit comfortably with the public’s idea of charity.

One of the directors of Scope Jan Hildreth at that time  (he was also a former director-general of the Institute of Directors summed up the mentality of his and many other charities: “Like many charities, the concern of the society has always been its activity and not its finances.”(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1507717/Scope-to-close-50-charity-shops-as-10m-loss-looms.html). Interestingly  Scope blamed part of its plight on ‘the Government for underfunding services it provides, such as residential and school places.  “It wants our services, but it doesn’t want to pay for them,” the spokesman said. “This is a drain on our coffers.” ‘ (ibid).

To inefficiency add fraud. The National Fraud Authority estimates  internal and external fraud against the charities costs £1.3 billion a year ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

The use of charities as government sub-contractors has other pernicious effects. It allows a government to evade responsibility even more effectively than the employment of private companies does because charities, especially popular ones,  throw up a moral shield. As mentioned above people feel that money spent by a charity is a good in itself. That applies even when it is taxpayers’ money.

Often the public is not even aware that public money has gone to a charity. This means that governments can support unpopular policies, such as those associated with political correctness, without the general public being aware that public money is being used to promote the policies. A  government can also make charitable donation part of their PR because they can  gain kudos from the public by publicising their donations of taxpayers’ money to popular charities.

As the Scope complaint quoted above suggests, governments may also see  charities as a cheap means of public provision. Whether it is or not is another matter – personally I would doubt it because of the widespread incompetence in the charity world.. There is a further objection to the use of charities as publicly funded providers. They have a moral and civic role. The whole point of a charity is that it is the product of the individual will, a conglomeration of the active decisions of those who choose to make a contribution.  It is part of what academics like to call civil society, those institutions which men naturally form in a free society and which fall outside the ambit of the state. Lose or even seriously diminish those institutions and the state determines all, for there is nothing to oppose it or offer an alternative.

Making a charity simply or largely a client of government undermines the very idea of charity. There is every chance that if charities are seen as arms of government, private donations to them will begin to dry up. That in turn would have spending implications for the taxpayer, because although often inefficient,  charities do fund a considerable amount of what would therwise be described as public provision. The taxpayer would end up footing the bill for extra public provision.

State funding also makes charities forget their original role. The  natural tendency for charities who become heavily dependent on public money is to  cease to view their organisation as a charity and see it simply as a business.  There was a good example in the news this week.  The St John’s Ambulance (SJA), a charity which provides medical services at most major public event in Britain and which is much admired by the public has decided to “rationalise” the charity by moving from a system of localism with money raised in an area being spent there to a centralised  treasury which will collect all the money raised throughout the UK  and distribute it as their  central management sees fit.  The volunteers fear that the change will make people less willing to volunteer for unpaid work.  As the SJA has 1,600 paid staff and 40,000 volunteers, the effect  of the change could be dramatic.  (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8684165/St-John-Ambulance-abandoning-volunteers-over-restructure-project.html).

The SJA also displays another unpretty trait of modern charities; the expansion of highly paid posts. The proposed SJA  reform will involve  the creation of “ eight regional directors will be created on salaries of £80,000 a year plus benefits to represent London, the south east, south west, East Midlands, West Midlands, East of England, North-West and North East.”  (Ibid).  Salaries exceeding £100.000 for chief executives are common (http://society.guardian.co.uk/salarysurvey/table/0,12406,1042677,00.html).  Sometimes the percentage of donations taken by senior staff is astonishing. Take PACT, a charity run by the wife of Sir Anthony Meyer, with Cherie Blair – a close friend of Lady Meyer – as patron. Here is the Mandrake column in the Telegraph reporting on 25 May 2011 “… all but £9,500 of the money received in donations by Pact, which stands for Parents & Abducted Children Together, was paid to the Chanel-clad Catherine Meyer, who is the chief executive, and to one member of staff.

“Lady Meyer, who is also its president, and her employee were paid a total of £49,586. Lady Meyer received almost 70 per cent of that sum. Pact’s income from donations was £59,056 and it received a further £38,234 in grants…

“We are doing a huge amount of work for very little salary,” she said. “I used to work in the City and earned much more.”

Her husband, and six of Pact’s 11 trustees, added in a letter: “We consider it to be at the low end of the pay scale for chief
executives of charities with a demanding brief. “(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/8534133/Cherie-Blair-is-in-no-hurry-to-speak-up-for-charity-boss-Lady-Meyer.html).
The example beautifully demonstrates the inability of those running charities to understand the difference between a business and a charity.

The danger for charities which lose their popular base and become dangerously dependent on public  funding is that they  run the risk of being left stranded when the economic tide goes out.  When, as is happening today, public funding is cut many will find that they cannot fill the gap because they have put too many of their campaigning eggs in one basket.

There is a further serious  problem, namely what is a  legitimate charity? Charity is big business. According to the Charity Commission, as at June 2001 there were 161,978 registered charities in England and Wales with a combined income of £56 billion (http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/About_us/About_charities/factfigures.aspx).   Is it
really possible that such a vast number of good causes exist which deserve the considerable privileges granted to them by the state?

Take our private schools (many of them bewilderingly for foreigners called public schools).  They are overwhelmingly charities. They also have in most cases a history of one hundred years or more. This means that the profit motive is absent and a quasi public-service (civil society) ethos has had time to evolve. Yet public schools – which get around £100 million tax relief – have always subsidised the education of the poorer middle-class children rather than the education of the truly poor. Why should they have status of a charity?

There are also many questionable cases where the charity exists to fund something which is essentially, even in principle,  a private or sectional interest, for example the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds. Why should the taxpayer subsidise such institutions?

The biggest charitable status bone of contention is political action.  The Charities Commission permits political campaigning  “Yes – any charity can become involved in campaigning and in political activity which further or support its charitable purposes, unless its governing document prohibits it” but bans charities having a political purpose “A charity cannot have a political purpose. Nor can a charity undertake political activity that is not relevant to, and does not have a reasonable likelihood of, supporting the charity’s charitable purposes”  (http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/publications/cc9.aspx#11).  This is completely impractical. For example, how can  a charity whose purpose is to support immigrants in applications for asylum, fight deportation and so forth not  have a political purpose?  There can also be the complication of  public funding which is a political matter in itself. Take the Immigration Advisory Service (IAS) which is currently insolvent,viz: .

” The Immigration Advisory Service (IAS), the largest provider of publically funded immigration and asylum legal advice,  advised today that it had been placed into administration. The IAS, a registered charity, has been in existence for 35 years, and employs 300 staff at 14 locations across England and Scotland. It is renowned for a large number of important legal precedent cases which have been taken through the Courts, including to the Court of Justice of the European Union and the European Court of Human Rights.

“The Governments reforms include the removal of immigration from the scope of legal aid, and a 10% cut in legal aid fees for refugees seeking asylum within the UK. Immigration accounts for around 60% of IAS’s income. There are few organisations that could cope with the compound effect of removal of immigration from the scope of legal aid and a cut in fees for asylum clients.

“The IAS has been in discussion with the Legal Services Commission (LSC) in an attempt to gain support for a solvent restructure of its operations. IAS had also tried to reach an agreement with LSC for an extended period to repay monies which (in common with many other firms) had been claimed in error, partly, in IAS’s view, due to the complex funding rules in place. The legal aid cuts put IAS in the position of needing to fund any repayment of these monies, from a much reduced income base, and as a result it has not proved possible to reach agreement on a way forward.” (http://www.iasuk.org/home.aspx).  How can that not be an organisation with a political purpose?

Charities epitomise the difficulties of mixing private and public. It is true that as non-profit making bodies they share some of the ethos of public service and the profit motive is absent, but their entanglement with government has utterly undermined their charitable status and moral stature.   How do we return them to  their proper purpose? Charitable status should only be granted to those who raise their own money. Paid fundraisers should be banned.  Limits should be put on the amounts spent on administration and advertising.  Charities should only be registered which undertake their entire work in the UK. Those currently registered which are inherently political should have their charitable status removed.  Only  those with a purpose which could potentially benefit anyone should be registered.  Examples would be those dealing with medical research or care of the old.

Impractical? A recipe for chaos? No. Much of what charities now do is what government should be doing. Governments would have to do their duty and either employ what are now charities as simple  subcontractors without charitable status or make other arrangements. A great deal of the rest is simple political action under the guise of charity or the subsidy of of particular  interests without any wider social benefit.  Some charities such as the IAS are directly opposed to the UK’s interests.  A radical review is required of what should constitute  a charity.
PM, I am not a good writer, so I could not word it as above article. I have told it before I worked for a while in the non-profit / charity circuit in Washington DC. It is amazing, it is a big vortex of money going around and around and at every turn it sticks to the people working in the boards or guest speakers or "grants" , never to the cause or idiots like me who volunteered to work for a basic salary. It is not only government money and money from donations, I know of one instant where someone was year by year through various non profits diverting his money to his daughter, so she would not have to pay estate tax. And those fund raisers, don't get me started on that.You have the craziest non profits, I remember one "countdown to 2000" with as goal helping the people prepare for the new millennium. When 01-01-2000 came, it became countdown to 2005, how to survive in the new millennium. Activities: talks for thousands and thousands of dollars, and stupid 60-ties sensitivity training games, especially for government personnel, oh the government pays so well for these idiocies. They are all in eachothers boards, most of the times paid for once a month meetings with loads of money. It has nothing, nothing to do with charity or the good of the society. I stayed longer than I wished on the request of a watch group, and even now almost 15 years later I still get a sick feeling in my stomach just thinking of it. Don't think it's just a few, it's a whole world that keeps eachother fed and financed.

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Post by aiyoyo 09.05.15 23:48

Hobs wrote:
How long will it before one of them cracks?

I can't see that happening ever.

That lot will never jeopardise their career and reputation to come out to tell the truth no matter how many years down the line.
They might only if there's hint of Mcs imminent arrest, or after Mcs have been arrested, they might come clean in a plea bargain to save their own skin.
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Post by aiyoyo 10.05.15 19:21

£5
Louise east
7 hours ago
My son who is 12 was in class when the teacher discussed trolling in reference to the McCann s .my son put his hand up and eloquently stated the evidence against the McCann s. He was hushed up swiftly. But if he had the courage to speak out we can. I was incredibly proud of him . Let them all hear our voices. Good luck Goncalo this donation is from my son with love and respect. X

The Mcs case is even discussed in school.
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Post by aiyoyo 10.05.15 21:50

Smashed past 13K in 11 days.

If this momentum keeps up, the target could be reached in one month.
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Post by sallypelt 10.05.15 22:38

£50
Kathleen Conell
8 mins ago
I am a retired professional. I do not do twitter and have a facebook account just for my grandchildren abroad. I comment on political issues such as Janner, imigration and human rights. All comments are accepted and printed in the MSM. The moment I attempt to comment on the Mccann case, my comments are never published. I don't hate the McCann's - I just question their version of events. Why am I suddenly a 'troll' ? Everything else is accepted and debated with the exception of the Mccanns's. What is being covered up? Goncalo, you have the courage and integrity to do something amazing! I worry about your safety and only wish someone wealthy with courage would adopt your cause. The corruption in both the UK and Portugese establishments must be stopped. Democracy is finished otherwise. God bless you!
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[quote="aiyoyo"][quote]£5
Louise east
7 hours ago
My son who is 12 was in class when the teacher discussed trolling in reference to the McCann s .my son put his hand up and eloquently stated the evidence against the McCann s. He was hushed up swiftly. But if he had the courage to speak out we can. I was incredibly proud of him . Let them all hear our voices. Good luck Goncalo this donation is from my son with love and respect. X[/quote]

The Mcs case is even discussed in school.[/quote]

What a surprising action of the person(s) hushing up this boy!

And what a surprisingly intelligent boy!
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Alexander Cunningham
1 hour ago
From a retired Scots lawyer. A small contribution from my pension. Proud to support a man who stands up for truth and justice. The fact that the McCanns have attempted to suppress your book and make money from it confirms to us all that these greedy money grabbers have something to hide. Shame on the McCanns.


M A
1 day ago
An extra contribution this morning to apologize for today's Sunday Express for insinuating that PJ weren't up to the task of finding Madeleine or didn't possess the skills. Re the "bad relationship" - how exactly do these superior xenophobic pieces help? Also thanks for clearing things up, I was under the impression (and indeed it says it in the files) that Dianne Webster was Fiona's mom and not Rachael's. We learn something new every day.


Iseult S
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Hey, Clarence, wakey, wakey! Doesn't matter it's Sunday morning and you wanted a lie-in, time to get on with looking for a job now you're not going to be an MP. I hear Kim Jong-Un is looking for a media spokesman/reputation manager, so who better than your good self? I heard the expression the other day 'You can't polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter' and I immediately thought of you and your talents, so why not give the Supreme Leader a ring and see if you can fix up an interview? Best of luck! (Almost forgot - you might have to have a change of hairstyle to work over there, but that could be a bonus.)

"He deserves to be miserable and feel fear" says the mother. not about the abductor, for they have been forgiven already! this hatred is aimed at you but rest assured you will never face your fear alone snr Amaral, unlike Madeleine who was left all those years ago. terrified and vulnerable. it is not the book you published that makes me doubt the parents, it's the discrepancies blatantly seen in their stories, the body language, their greed and their certainty that the search will go on indefinitely that has me convinced they know far more than they will ever say. good luck sir on your appeal and thank you for your determination and strength in the search for the truth, and justice for "the little girl" Madeleine x

My 84 year old mum pressed this £10 into my hand this evening, to donate to this cause. She is not on any of the Facebook groups, and she is not on Twitter. However, she has watched The Truth of The Lie documentary, as well as numerous other clips and documentaries, on YouTube, and has come to the conclusion, like all of us here, that she does NOT believe the McCanns version of events. The only thing she knows about trolls is that there was a nasty one under the bridge in the Three Billy Goats Gruff! Thanks mum :-)

Let's hope the producers of the two films mention some of the comments which would be useful to draw more public attention to the "trolls' fund site....
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Another commentary

They hired crooks, conmen & incompetents to hunt for Maddie. But only hired the best that money could buy, to hunt the detective.

Says it all really. They knew knew she is dead.
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Post by Joss 11.05.15 13:51

aiyoyo wrote:
£5
Louise east
7 hours ago
My son who is 12 was in class when the teacher discussed trolling in reference to the McCann s .my son put his hand up and eloquently stated the evidence against the McCann s. He was hushed up swiftly. But if he had the courage to speak out we can. I was incredibly proud of him . Let them all hear our voices. Good luck Goncalo this donation is from my son with love and respect. X

The Mcs case is even discussed in school.
Why?
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Post by Joss 11.05.15 13:57

Portia wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
£5
Louise east
7 hours ago
My son who is 12 was in class when the teacher discussed trolling in reference to the McCann s .my son put his hand up and eloquently stated the evidence against the McCann s. He was hushed up swiftly. But if he had the courage to speak out we can. I was incredibly proud of him . Let them all hear our voices. Good luck Goncalo this donation is from my son with love and respect. X

The Mcs case is even discussed in school.

What a surprising action of the person(s) hushing up this boy!

And what a surprisingly intelligent boy!
I hope parents of children that are made to discuss the Madeleine McCann case in school are reporting it to the head of the school. What an inappropriate subject for children to be discussing in school, IMO. What are they wanting to achieve in that regard? Are crimes normally discussed in class as part of a school curriculum?
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Post by aiyoyo 11.05.15 14:47

Portia wrote:

What a surprising action of the person(s) hushing up this boy!

And what a surprisingly intelligent boy!

Am guessing the teacher had wanted to discuss trolls using Mcs case example, but the boy digressed and chose to tell the whole class Maddie is died and her parents are fishy, hence the teacher's action.
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Post by Miraflores 11.05.15 19:37

Kate McCann's  fund raising bike ride for Missing People: £1841.74 from 102 people
Goncalo Amaral's fund: £13,240 from 830 people.

Must tell us something.
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Miraflores wrote:Kate McCann's  fund raising bike ride for Missing People: £1841.74 from 102 people
Goncalo Amaral's fund: £13,240 from 830 people.

Must tell us something.


I hope it tells her something too!  winkwink

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Post by plebgate 12.05.15 10:53

It wouldn't surprise me if a few zlebs didn't step in and boost the takings, on the other hand maybe they have had enough of dibbing in their pockets every year for her fundraising?
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Post by PeterMac 12.05.15 11:47

plebgate wrote:It wouldn't surprise me if a few zlebs didn't step in and boost the takings, on the other hand maybe they have had enough of dibbing in their pockets every year for her fundraising?
I always wonder if they actually DO hand over the money, or just promise it.
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Maddie cop’s legal fund “well on the way” to the €25,000 target

Within 11 days, the British fighting fund set up to help the former policeman dubbed by UK media as the “Maddie Lie Cop” has reached over €13,000.

The target - set by young psychology student Leanne Baulch who was only 14 at the time Madeleine McCann went missing - is now less than €11,000 away, and donations are coming in bit by bit every few hours.

The extraordinary aspect of this latest appeal is that it has been taken up by so many and no matter what the size of donations, people show their feelings that Amaral has been “badly treated” for reasons no-one appears able to fathom.

Indeed, the €500,000 damages set by judge Emília Melo e Castro, plus the further €106,000 in interest - all destined to compensate the parents of Madeleine for the distress Amaral’s book The Truth of the Lie caused them - are reported to be the highest ever awarded against a Portuguese citizen.

With questions constantly appearing on the fund website asking “what is being covered up”, Brits are giving in droves, with donors ranging from grandparents to young people who were teenagers at the time Madeleine went missing.

One of the most recent of the 819 givers was grandmother Kathleen Conell who deposited her £50 saying: “I worry about your safety and only wish someone wealthy with courage would adopt your cause. The corruption in both the UK and Portuguese establishments must be stopped. Democracy is finished otherwise.”

As this latest example of “people-power” righting what they see is a wrong plays out, the mainstream British media is making much of the so-called string of burglaries that appears to have taken place on the resort from which Madeleine went missing just over eight years ago.

Sunday Express writer James Murray has written that British police “have established a pattern of attacks on children in the Algarve… which could lead to a host of other sordid crimes being solved”.

It’s a line that has surfaced every now and then in this infinite mystery and which many query, as if there truly had been a spate of attacks on children in the Algarve, the feeling is that local and national media would have heard about them.
As a source told us this week, what were originally described as “five or six cases, then morphed into over a dozen and suddenly exploded into 30 cases or so, if we are to believe the UK media”.

Meantime, the instigator of the British appeal fund raising money for Amaral’s appeal tells us she has been approached by a number of UK newspapers, but none of them are keen to write about her effort until it reaches the €25,000 target.

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Post by jeanmonroe 12.05.15 12:26

Meantime, the instigator of the British appeal fund raising money for Amaral’s appeal tells us she has been approached by a number of UK newspapers, but none of them are keen to write about her effort until it reaches the €25,000 target.
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Yeah, yeah, yawn, yawn, and when it reaches the 'target', WHAT exactly are the UK newspapers going to be keen to 'write'?

"Troll fund, for 'disgraced, sardine muncher', reaches target"?

"Comments unavailable"?

or

"Is it 'possible' the McCann's, their friends, or people they know, were involved, in Madeleine's 'disappearance'"?

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Post by HelenMeg 12.05.15 12:47

and when is DCI Wall going to give us a progress update?  I wonder if she is spending her full time working week devoted to OG or whether she is being loaned out to other 'Operations'?

I think she should be giving us a progress report soon considering the amount of money OG is costing us...
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Post by jeanmonroe 12.05.15 13:04

HelenMeg wrote:and when is DCI Wall going to give us a progress update?  I wonder if she is spending her full time working week devoted to OG or whether she is being loaned out to other 'Operations'?

I think she should be giving us a progress report soon considering the amount of money OG is costing us...

DCI 'I nick 'em, even before they know they are nicked' Wall has 'had' £955,698.00p of OG, UK taxpayers, 'funding' since she 'took over' at OG, on 22nd December 2014.

(141 days @ £6,778 a day!)

WHERE, has all THAT, taxpayer money, er, 'gone'?
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Post by aiyoyo 12.05.15 17:25

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Meantime, the instigator of the British appeal fund raising money for Amaral’s appeal tells us she has been approached by a number of UK newspapers, but none of them are keen to write about her effort until it reaches the €25,000 target.

I am not comfortable with that. 

Why approached her in the first place if they weren't ready to write about it ?
Why should the reached target make a different to what they are going to write?
There is a sinister connotation to it.
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Post by mysterion 12.05.15 17:34

The anti-Amaral press would not want to be seen encouraging donations to reach the target.
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Post by PeterMac 12.05.15 17:46

jeanmonroe wrote:
DCI 'I nick 'em, even before they know they are nicked' Wall has 'had' £955,698.00p of OG, UK taxpayers, 'funding' since she 'took over' at OG, on 22nd December 2014.
(141 days @ £6,778 a day!)
WHERE, has all THAT, taxpayer money, er, 'gone'?

WHOOSHED out of the open window past the tight closed and wide open curtains, past the smashed and jemmied and perfect condition shutters, out into the car park,
where it was eaten by a stray DOG ! !
All that is now left is dog poo, which Mitchell is coming along to clear up very soon. He is getting out of practice.
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Post by Nina 12.05.15 18:53

The fund has done particularly well today with people contributing £12 for what would have been Madeleine's 12th birthday.

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Post by aiyoyo 12.05.15 20:23

Wow !  So many £12 donors to mark Madeleine 12th b/day, complete with messages, bringing the fund close to 15K.

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Glyn Taylor
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3rd donation, but well worth every penny, and donating £12 on Madeleine's 12th birthday is a great idea. Would happily donate £13 next year if not resolved by then, and justice has been seen to be done.




By contrast, there is no message for Madeleine on the FM website, not even one by her parents.  They couldn't even be arsed to attend Pray for her community church's service !  They know she is dead and prayer is futile.


I wonder if those 12 "concerned citizens" (dossier compilers) are going to compile these "trolls" messages  to show Kate & Gerry.
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£12 for Madeleine's 12th birthday + £88 because I like round numbers :o) I believe in natural justice and it is completely unjust for ANYONE to be deliberately and/or maliciously deprived of access to adequate legal counsel, and particularly by his adversaries. How on earth can it ever be acceptable for a plaintiff to freeze a defendant's assets and thus render him incapable of mounting a defence/appeal when he has competent and valid grounds to do so? Not to mention effectively gagging him, when they have the UK media dancing and spinning to their tune. No matter the circumstances of the particular case, no matter the outcome, Dr Amaral deserves the opportunity to appeal an obviously unfair and disproportionate judgement. Happy Birthday Madeleine, RIP Brenda & Good Luck Goncalo Amaral
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Post by sallypelt 12.05.15 21:50

Gone through the £15,000 barrier
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At this pace.....5 more days to reach target ?
Very soon the tabloids will be revisiting her to write her story.
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Brits already forking out en-masse for Maddie cop libel appeal - Page 6 Empty Re: Brits already forking out en-masse for Maddie cop libel appeal

Post by sammyc 12.05.15 22:15

Great to see it has gone past £15,000 and many are donating £12 for Madeleine on her birthday.  Has anybody emailed/tweeted/FB'd the MSM with the gofundme/pjga link and if so what reaction have they got?  Oh, and Kate and Gerry, Clarrie, Brunty, that tosser from the Mirror, Cameron, Op Grange, Cankles, Tapas Crew, etc etc.
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