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Post by jeanmonroe 13.05.15 1:09

Is there anything to 'stop' GA giving Missing People the £199 registration 'fee' AND the 'minimum' £2,000 'donation' to MP, from his appeal lawyer's 'fund' and 'joining' KM on her 'local bike' (UK) ride, from June 13th-17th, 2015?

THAT would put 'a spoke in someone's wheel' wouldn't it? winkwink

Not saying, just asking.
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Post by HelenMeg 13.05.15 15:06

sammyc wrote:Great to see it has gone past £15,000 and many are donating £12 for Madeleine on her birthday.  Has anybody emailed/tweeted/FB'd the MSM with the gofundme/pjga link and if so what reaction have they got?  Oh, and Kate and Gerry, Clarrie, Brunty, that tosser from the Mirror, Cameron, Op Grange, Cankles, Tapas Crew, etc etc.
Yes - Ive certanly pointed it at Lord Sugar/ David C / cHANNEL 4 jON sNOW/ Sun / Guardian / The tImes and others are doing so too
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Post by HelenMeg 13.05.15 16:45

Nice messages of support from fund page

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When I think of this whole sordid affair the famous quote of "Evil prospers when good men do nothing" springs to mind. Goncalo Amaral is a good man. Despite losing his job and reputation and not to mention the impact all this has had on his family life, here is a good man who has done nothing except seek the truth of what happened to Maddy. I am more than happy to help Mr Amaral and hope one day in the near future the truth will come out and Mr Amaral is vindicated and the McCann's and their entourage finally face justice.
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In 2008, News International compensated Kate McCann to the tune of £125k for publishing her diaries because this reportedly caused her to feel "mentally raped". Yet, in 2011, she sold the £500k serialisation rights to 'madeleine' (a book written for her children, so we were told, and based on her famous diaries) to the very same news group she accused of 'violating' her... and not only did she reveal details of her and Gerry's sex life but she also included a grossly offensive description of the abuse she imagined Maddie endured at the hands of a paedophile (The Sun had to replace her precise words with something more acceptable). In 2012 the McCanns appeared at the Leveson Inquiry to reiterate how terribly violated they felt. However, in response to a question about Leveson, Lord Bell, Chairman of the PR company Bell Pottinger, said "And I'm really not interested in what the McCanns think, because the McCanns paid me £500,000 in fees to keep them on the front page of every single newspaper for a year, which we did'. And they talk about "trolls"? Everything about this story has been nothing but dishonesty and manipulation from the beginning.
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Post by PeterMac 13.05.15 18:13

HelenMeg wrote:
In 2008, News International compensated Kate McCann to the tune of £125k for publishing her diaries because this reportedly caused her to feel "mentally raped". Yet, in 2011, she sold the £500k serialisation rights to 'madeleine' (a book written for her children, so we were told, and based on her famous diaries) to the very same news group she accused of 'violating' her... and not only did she reveal details of her and Gerry's sex life but she also included a grossly offensive description of the abuse she imagined Maddie endured at the hands of a paedophile (The Sun had to replace her precise words with something more acceptable). In 2012 the McCanns appeared at the Leveson Inquiry to reiterate how terribly violated they felt. However, in response to a question about Leveson, Lord Bell, Chairman of the PR company Bell Pottinger, said "And I'm really not interested in what the McCanns think, because the McCanns paid me £500,000 in fees to keep them on the front page of every single newspaper for a year, which we did'. And they talk about "trolls"? Everything about this story has been nothing but dishonesty and manipulation from the beginning.
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Post by j.rob 13.05.15 18:31

Everything about this story has been nothing but dishonesty and manipulation from the beginning.


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Totally agree. It's been smoke and mirrors from day one.
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Post by j.rob 13.05.15 18:33

HelenMeg wrote:2 recent comments from the fundraising site....very very encouraging -

Des - The term *Troll* was once reserved for those who resorted to using threatening or extreme language on social media, now it's used to describe anyone who disagrees with the mainstream media & their friends. And, unfortunately, we're lumbered with a media that bows to the rich & powerful, regardless of the truth, whilst preying on soft targets, like the Portuguese detective, who cannot afford libel lawyers. The truth is, if you have influential allies & enough money to hire half a dozen top-notch lawyers, you can quite literally get away with anything in the UK. No wonder there's so many cover-ups involving children.

Blaize - Its a disgrace that the majority of the British public do NOT know the hidden truths about this case, truths that the British main stream media don't bother telling us.... why

This fund is a fantastic effort because it is joining up more people who perhaps dont frequent forums such as this - collectively - the more we can network in these people the better

Brilliant!
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Post by Jauna Loca 13.05.15 18:45

aiyoyo wrote:
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Meantime, the instigator of the British appeal fund raising money for Amaral’s appeal tells us she has been approached by a number of UK newspapers, but none of them are keen to write about her effort until it reaches the €25,000 target.

I am not comfortable with that. 

Why approached her in the first place if they weren't ready to write about it ?
Why should the reached target make a different to what they are going to write?
There is a sinister connotation to it.
 I feel the same way. It's almost like the McCanns biding their time before they sued Dr Amaral to see how much he'd earned. Maybe they intend to try another fund snatch like the Sun jackpot,
but only if it's financially worth the while. Or maybe if the story is reprinted in MSM then it's considered libel and the McCanns can sue the fund for more damages equal to amount in pot.
If I were Leanne, I'd be telling the MSM "Nothing to see here, move along" and carrying on online only. Word of mouth is speading nicely without Big Brother's intervention.
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Post by PeterMac 14.05.15 14:08

The McCanns are wholesale CHILD ABUSERS
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2 hours ago
Kate and Gerry,you damaged the lives of my children when they were small as they thought someone was going to get into their bedroom windows as their catholic school told them your jack-a-nory story and asked them to pray. We had sleepless nights for years and a security routine to check doors and windows before sleep.
Their anxiety and distress caused by your lies.
I donated £5 back then to the school fund for you as at the time I thought you were genuine human beings.
I cuddled and calmed them as I believed the fiction too.
I would like to withdraw that money and give to a truth teller.
The truth will be told.
You cannot hide behind pity statements by calling people trolls and haters.
People are waking up and realising your story is full of holes and had the real story broke back then, my children would not have been scared or scarred by your lies.
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Post by sallypelt 14.05.15 14:16

£16,000 now in the Fund
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Post by lj 14.05.15 14:26

PeterMac wrote:The McCanns are wholesale CHILD ABUSERS
from the donation site
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Kate and Gerry,you damaged the lives of my children when they were small as they thought someone was going to get into their bedroom windows as their catholic school told them your jack-a-nory story and asked them to pray. We had sleepless nights for years and a security routine to check doors and windows before sleep.
Their anxiety and distress caused by your lies.
I donated £5 back then to the school fund for you as at the time I thought you were genuine human beings.
I cuddled and calmed them as I believed the fiction too.
I would like to withdraw that money and give to a truth teller.
The truth will be told.
You cannot hide behind pity statements by calling people trolls and haters.
People are waking up and realising your story is full of holes and had the real story broke back then, my children would not have been scared or scarred by your lies.


I always thought it was very damaging for the other kids to keep Madeleine's seat open. 
At least this mother worded that very well.

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Post by Hobs 14.05.15 20:17

I am putting my money where my mouth is.

People tell you who they are if you take the time to listen carefully.

The mccanns have told me who they are.

The mccanns have told me the truth about Maddie, they have told the world the truth about Maddie.

 They didn't realise at the time and they still don't realise it now.

They have told me they are users and abusers.

They have used lawyers and the media to stifle any investigation, any discussion, any questioning  of their version of events.

This is why we are here today.

They fear the truth being known as there will be consequences.
The consequences they face now  will be worse than if they had told the truth at the beginning

They have abused the innocence of their children by telling them a fairy story about a non existent stranger boogeyman and they have abused the goodwill of the public who bought into their deception at the start, believing in a faked abduction of a little 3 yr old girl.

Today,  there are still those, a tiny minority who, for reasons known only to themselves, still  buy into that self same deception.

Innocent parents behave and act in a certain way.

Guilty parents behave and act in a certain way.

The two are mutually exclusive.

We the public have become the parents, the carers, the voice to a little girl betrayed by her own parents.

We are the family she didn't know she had and never knew she would need.

We are the voice of a silent little girl with no voice of her own.
Gagged by her own parents in their quest for money and fame and desperate to evade justice.

Remember this kate and gerry.

A crime once done cannot be undone.
Words once said cannot be unsaid.

You have spoken the truth as to what happened, even though you tried not to.

Every time you try to deny, to explain away you leak the truth.

Lying is stressful and the brain does not like stress.

The brain will try to relieve the stress by telling the truth.

We who listen, discern the truth of the lie.

Kate you even helpfully put it all in a book, a book which will become evidence against you.

I wonder if you were advised not to do so by your highly paid lawyers, who knew what would happen when justice arrives.

Did greed overcome common sense?

You refused to answer 48 questions whilst the 49th, asking if you knew by not answering the questions you were hindering the search?
To which you replied, "Yes, if that's what the investigation thinks".

I  bet you felt smart, your lawyer advising you not to answer for fear of incriminating yourself.

Hmm, if you were truly innocent, how could you have possibly incriminated yourself?

Is this because you weren't innocent?

Only those with something to hide refuse to answer innocent questions.

Still, kate, you knew better, after all you are, or, should i say were, a doctor.
What a waste of all those years of hard work and study, all down the drain, as you are now unemployable by your own hand.

You always know best, isn't that what they say about mothers?

Shame you wrote the book, all the interesting nuggets of information.

Who needed the 48 questions and a bothersome attorney and their fees, when you  oh so helpfully put it all in a book and got paid for it as well.

Oh, how  i bet your lawyers laughed when they found out, Ho Ho Ho

Still kate and gerry, as i said, People tell you who they are if you take the time to listen carefully.

Dr. Goncalo Amaral has told me who he is.
His words and his behavior tell me who he is.

It is clear he loved and cared for Maddie  more than you ever did.
He has become her voice, the voice she didn't know she would ever need.
He seeks justice for her, justice she didn't know she would ever need.
She became one of his children, the moment you stopped being her parents.

Think on this mccanns.

Cold cases are never closed.
They may get shelved but the investigation will still go on, being taken from the shelf and reexamined.
Criminals being caught years, even decades down the line.
All those advances in modern technology.
Advances in science and forensics.

All it takes is a single print, a single fibre, a single hair, A SINGLE CELL.

Maddie's voice will never be silenced until her killers come to justice.

Dr. Goncalo Amaral is her voice.
We are her voice.

You cannot silence us.

You do not have the money, you do not have the power.

The only thing that will silence us is when we hear the pronunciation of guilty.

Think on this as you go to bed at night.
Think of this as you wake in the morning.
Your last thought and your first thought each and every day.

Is today the day it comes crashing down?

Dr. Goncalo Amaral has my trust, our trust.

Tell me kate and gerry, who can you trust?


Dr. Goncalo Amaral I am right with you, We are all with you.

Boa sorte meu amigo

Good luck my friend


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Post by sar 14.05.15 23:09

+1 Hobs, amazing post.  Always a huge fan.  Thank you.
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Post by Poppyfox 15.05.15 1:06

Hobs this is brilliant. Well said. I wish I was as eloquent as you.goodpost
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Post by lj 15.05.15 2:30

Great post, Hobs, as always.

And imagine the added stress of wondering what Amelie and Sean will find out, or even remember.

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Post by Carrry On Doctor 15.05.15 7:18

Bravo Hobs, you speak for us all.
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Post by MrsC 15.05.15 7:50

From comments yesterday:

Concerned Citizen

10 hours ago

Leanne What a wonderful gesture for Mr Amaral to have organised this fundraiser. A little blip today but do not be disheartened. No one is perfect. We live and learn. Say no more, and move on from it. Don't be drawn by the dirty tricks of others. Keep on track. Keep focused on your goal. Ignore those who intend only malice, those intent on destroying your good work. Rise above it. Caution where MSM are concerned. Chin up and hold your head high. You have much to be proud of young lady. Mr Amaral I am sure is proud of you too.

Does anyone know what this 'blip' was?

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Post by Doug D 15.05.15 9:16

Bit of a rumpus on twitter where DaSteelman & Rothley Pillowcase were accused of not contributing to Amarals fund and they said they had.
 
LB unwisely got drawn in & said they were not on the list of contributors which was taken to mean that she was divulging info. about the ‘anonymous’ donors, which she may or may not have been, but was clearly wrong if that was the case.
 
Cristobell waded in as well, but it looks a bit ‘handbags at dawn’ and was certainly being blown up by the TM supporters as much as possible.
 
Looks to have been resolved anyway, certainly from the RP side as he is again promoting the fund.
 
Just for the record, I donated anonymously, but will put my name to it next time as I would like to be formally classed as a ‘troll’, which seems to have taken on a completely new meaning over the last week or so!
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Post by Amy Dean 15.05.15 10:02

How would she know who the anonymous donors were or even people who gave real sounding names? They couldn't be linked to screen names.
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Post by HelenMeg 15.05.15 10:25

Doug D wrote:Bit of a rumpus on twitter where DaSteelman & Rothley Pillowcase were accused of not contributing to Amarals fund and they said they had.
 
LB unwisely got drawn in & said they were not on the list of contributors which was taken to mean that she was divulging info. about the ‘anonymous’ donors, which she may or may not have been, but was clearly wrong if that was the case.
 
Cristobell waded in as well, but it looks a bit ‘handbags at dawn’ and was certainly being blown up by the TM supporters as much as possible.
 
Looks to have been resolved anyway, certainly from the RP side as he is again promoting the fund.
 
Just for the record, I donated anonymously, but will put my name to it next time as I would like to be formally classed as a ‘troll’, which seems to have taken on a completely new meaning over the last week or so!
Hi Doug D
I donated a couple of times anonymously too and did a great big comment - but was really disappointed that comments dont seem to appear if you donate anonymously .
Next time I will put my name for that reason.
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Post by Amy Dean 15.05.15 10:44

As long as you put something as a name - say, Truth Seeker - your comment will be there.
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Post by jeanmonroe 15.05.15 10:45

Doug D wrote:

"..........as I would like to be formally classed as a ‘troll’, which seems to have taken on a completely new meaning over the last week or so!"
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Yes, a 'troll' (this week anyway) is now regarded as 'well sick, innit!', MEANING, ......'brilliant, excellent, well good', (ask Joey E!) and 'trolling' regarded as the new 'giving' ('donating' to 'a good cause')

I wonder if, the charitable 'donators' to KM's 'local (UK) bike' ride are also, now, regarded as 'trolls'?

By the new 'definition' they MUST be!

'trolls' = 'good guys' 'donaters'

'trolling' = 'donating' to a good 'cause'

'THIS' week, anyway!

(Thx MSM!)
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Post by Liz Eagles 15.05.15 11:01

In contrast, the McCanns latest update on the findmadeleine.com website (£40k of donor's money to set up), says

"Eight years. There's no gentle way of putting it. Whilst most days, weeks and months are fairly similar – Madeleine is missed every day – this time of year cuts deep as it's a harsh reminder of time having passed and precious years with Madeleine lost"

The above is the introductory paragraph to the subsequent announcement of the bike ride and raising funds (Hobs will be pleased to notice that the rest of the McCanns update is 'owned' in terms of 'we'. The rest of the text is full of soundbites.

The introductory paragraph quoted above is the most benign, unemotional, unowned thing I've read in a long time from the McCanns.

This is their daughter.
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Post by HelenMeg 15.05.15 12:22

Good on you - Charles and Camilla  -great comment here....

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We normally like a good old fashioned coverup but this one is getting a little out of hand so we've decided to change allegiance and back the good guy for a change. The other couple are becoming an embarrassment anyway and it's time she was literally told "on your bike love". We don't need another Diana debacle to start rocking any more royal boats.
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Post by HelenMeg 15.05.15 12:25

The find gets closer to its goal of £25 - the comments and donations are still coming in  - its a great response and over 1040 people have now donated. How many more would if they knew about it?
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Post by jeanmonroe 15.05.15 12:56

I 'wonder' if the Missing People 'charity' was one of the charities 'badgering' pensioner Olive Cooke for 'requests' for 'donations' before her death, yesterday?

She had 27 direct debits for 'charities'.

Some for £50 a month.

Was 'Missing People', one of them?

The 27 'charities' are going to be 'named', (DD's) apparently.
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Posted by portugalpress on May 15, 2015
Top British cop vows “Maddie hunt must continue” while “troll noise” reaches fever pitch

In the UK today, Metropolitan Police chief Sir Brian Hogan Howe has confirmed the multi-million pound investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from an Algarve holiday resort eight years ago must continue - no matter what his union, or indeed anyone else thinks.
Talking to Tom Pettifor of the Daily Mirror, Sir Brian “reacted angrily to concerns raised by the Police Federation about the millions devoted to the case”.
“It’s not for them to decide which investigation we carry out. It’s my decision,” he told the Mirror. “This investigation is funded by the government and the only thing that will decide whether or not it continues are the chances of success in finding that girl.”
John Tully, chairman of the Met’s police federation, showed in March that rank-and-file police think otherwise. He declared there were “rumblings of discontent” over the manpower and money ploughed into the Madeleine investigation and that it was “time to refocus” and channel resources into “keeping London safe”.
But as Sir Brian insists that the Met must continue with the hunt that has purportedly cost over £10 million so far, Britons denounced as “trolls” are channelling money hand-over-fist to the cause of the former Portuguese policeman sued by missing Madeleine’s parents for the message in his book the Truth of the Lie.

Gonçalo Amaral has announced that he is appealing against the decision that leaves him owing a whopping €600,000 in combined damages and interest payments - but it is no secret that the case has left him financially hamstrung. Thus the rallying of support, both here and in the UK is a life-raft.
Coordinated by a group of friends who have sole use of the money for legal defence costs only, it has quite literally kept him going.
“The best proof … is that he has come this far,” one of the fund ‘managers’ told us today. “He wouldn’t have otherwise.”
With the “gofundme” appeal started by Leanne Bulch, a young single mother from Birmingham, getting donations from an average of 70 people a day - and nudging ever-closer to its £25,000 target - Amaral has spoken to Visão magazine about the case that “destroyed his career, his family and his health”, saying “my life is gone. I am only alive due to my heart”.

He reveals not only that he will be counter-suing the McCann parents, their “group of friends” and “other people and entities” “in good time” but that, as far as he is concerned, the couple “practised a crime” and were “primarily responsible for their daughter’s disappearance” by leaving their children alone “for more than five nights”.
It is an extraordinary interview published in full on the “Projecto Justiça Gonçalo Amaral” website set up by one of the friends who has fought tirelessly since 2009 for Amaral’s right to freedom of expression.
She told us how she is buoyed now by the “incredible response” coming every day from British people who have been described by the UK’s Sun newspaper as “sick trolls”.
The Resident has been following the fund and, as we suggested last week, the comments appearing on it do not seem to fit the profile of trolls in any way at all.
Indeed one was so poignant it has spurred Amaral supporters to send it to over 50 British newspapers and media professionals to highlight how strong feelings in the UK are about this eternal “mystery”.

Penned by a donor who gave her name as Paula Seddon, it ran as follows: “Kate and Gerry, you damaged the lives of my children when they were small as they thought someone was going to get into their bedroom windows as their catholic school told them your jack-a-nory story and asked them to pray. We had sleepless nights for years and a security routine to check doors and windows before sleep. Their anxiety and distress caused by your lies. I donated £5 back then to the school fund for you as at the time I thought you were genuine human beings. I cuddled and calmed them as I believed the fiction too. I would like to withdraw that money and give to a truth teller. The truth will be told. You cannot hide behind pity statements by calling people trolls and haters. People are waking up and realising your story is full of holes and had the real story broke back then, my children would not have been scared or scarred by your lies.”

But the day after the message was sent, the UK press ran only with the story that insists the search for missing Madeleine must continue.
Meantime, Amaral’s interview with Visão is being copied, tweeted and sent around the world.
As he tells journalist Alexandra Ferreira, he wrote the book that the McCann couple took him to court over as a “way to reply to the humiliation and the offences” that he has been “targeted with”.
“Deep down that was it. They say we are incompetent, they say we are a third world police force, drunkards, fat, lazy, etc., and the PJ police does not set out to defend us. Therefore I turned to writing, reporting the investigation that had been carried out, so people could draw their own conclusions.”
Asked what remains “unexplained in this case”, he said: “I don’t answer that question. Faced with what was said by the couple after the verdict was known, that they feel stronger, I just feel like saying that only vampires become stronger with their victims’ blood. Like Zeca Afonso sang: ‘They eat everything…’”

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Post by Gaggzy 15.05.15 13:24

I just want to add my admiration to Hobs for her post on the previous page.
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Post by plebgate 15.05.15 15:37

jeanmonroe wrote:I 'wonder' if the Missing People 'charity' was one of the charities 'badgering' pensioner Olive Cooke for 'requests' for 'donations' before her death, yesterday?

She had 27 direct debits for 'charities'.

Some for £50 a month.

Was 'Missing People', one of them?

The 27 'charities' are going to be 'named', (DD's) apparently.
What a very sad thing to have happened.   I listened to her friend on lunchtime radio today and he said that she was getting overdraft charges on the DDs that she just could not keep up. The banks had been a big help and had halved the amount of overdraft charges, but  apparently she was struggling to feed herself because of the number of charities she was supporting.

One listener rang in and said she had resigned from one of the firms that work on behalf of the charities because the call centre staff are told to keep "pestering" until people agree to these DDs.

The Government need to stop these firms from ringing all of us I believe.

How much donated money actually goes to the actual cause?

  By the time the charity agents take their cut, their staff wages, the charities staff wages and expenses to the CEO and other senior officers. 

I will certainly "slam" the phone down if I get any of their calls - disgraceful behaviour.

Sorry went a bit off topic there.
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Post by sallypelt 15.05.15 16:26

WOW!!!! Someone just donated £1,000 to the fund
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Post by plebgate 15.05.15 16:27

sallypelt wrote:WOW!!!! Someone just donated £1,000 to the fund
Yes just saw that, wow.   In memory of their late mother, a magistrate.
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