Farce: Phone-calls-frame-maddie-kidnappers

by Cheshire Cat 06.06.14 7:59

Another article which I feel merits its own thread. It's another one of those 'unhelpful' articles.

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English Police say that Maddie McCann assassins are Portuguese and are involved in drug trafficking

by Tânia Laranjo/Rui Pando Gomes

They are Portuguese and have a criminal record for drug trafficking. The English police states that they assaulted the apartment at the Ocean Club resort, in Lagos, and killed Madeleine McCann on 3 May 2007.

The phone calls made before and after the crime were used as evidence to support the searches that have been ongoing since Monday.

Scotland Yard also ensures that there is a British witness who saw one of the men carrying a child in his arms up to the wasteland, situated less than 500 meters from the resort. The British say that he fled, but before he was able to bury the girl's cadaver.

They want to hear the three suspects, but they still lack the evidence to support the claim.

“Those who are going to commit a robbery do not travel on foot and they will not abandon a body so close to the crime scene. Moreover, there were no signs of forced entry at the apartment”, said Gonçalo Amaral, the former PJ inspector who investigated the case and considers that this new theory is not credible.

This version is, incidentally, one among others contained in the letter rogatory which determined that the searches would take place. Though it is the strongest, the British open the door to other possibilities. Other five suspects are listed, they also have a criminal record for theft.

Seven years after the disappearance, the British police now guarantees to the Public Prosecutor's Office that their claim was well founded. The description given by a British holidaymaker coincides with one of the suspects who lives nearby. The woman saw him speaking in English on the phone, as he passed, carrying the child in his arms.

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by Gillyspot 06.06.14 8:26

Cheshire Cat wrote: Scotland Yard also ensures that there is a British witness who saw one of the men carrying a child in his arms up to the wasteland, situated less than 500 meters from the resort. The British say that he fled, but before he was able to bury the girl's cadaver.

Would this be Jane Tanner again as the Smiths would probably be too far ( & Irish)?

ETA What a load of tosh!

by Woofer 06.06.14 8:32

My immediate thought on reading that was it could be feasible that the T9 were enjoying a bit of the happy stuff and hadn`t paid up.

But this -

"The description given by a British holidaymaker coincides with one of the suspects who lives nearby. The woman saw him speaking in English on the phone, as he passed, carrying the child in his arms."

.... where have they suddenly found this female British holidaymaker who passed a fellow carrying a child in his arms whilst on the phone ? Rather handy isn`t it.

by Guest 06.06.14 8:38

Woofer wrote:My immediate thought on reading that was it could be feasible that the T9 were enjoying a bit of the happy stuff and hadn`t paid up.

But this -

"The description given by a British holidaymaker coincides with one of the suspects who lives nearby. The woman saw him speaking in English on the phone, as he passed, carrying the child in his arms."

.... where have they suddenly found this female British holidaymaker who passed a fellow carrying a child in his arms whilst on the phone ? Rather handy isn`t it.

Well they managed to find that creche dad, who'd thoughtfully kept all his clothes and his child's clothes after seven years, so I suppose anything's possible.

by Swannie 06.06.14 8:47

Woofer wrote:My immediate thought on reading that was it could be feasible that the T9 were enjoying a bit of the happy stuff and hadn`t paid up.

But this -

"The description given by a British holidaymaker coincides with one of the suspects who lives nearby. The woman saw him speaking in English on the phone, as he passed, carrying the child in his arms."

Whoever she is, she's obviously a very good lip reader!

In regards to "the happy stuff" or indeed any 'stuff', happy or otherwise, there might well be a connection with certain persons with medical backgrounds....... If drug traffickers are nailed for M's removal/burial, who knows where the finger might be pointed next.......

by stillsloppingout 06.06.14 8:54

Swannie wrote:
Woofer wrote:My immediate thought on reading that was it could be feasible that the T9 were enjoying a bit of the happy stuff and hadn`t paid up.

But this -

"The description given by a British holidaymaker coincides with one of the suspects who lives nearby. The woman saw him speaking in English on the phone, as he passed, carrying the child in his arms."

Whoever she is, she's obviously a very good lip reader!

In regards to "the happy stuff" or indeed any 'stuff', happy or otherwise, there might well be a connection with certain persons with medical backgrounds....... If drug traffickers are nailed for M's removal/burial, who knows where the finger might be pointed next.......

IMO there initial strange behaviour , jogging was because they were wired [ LIKE KNOX IN ITALY ] [ the jogging was of course so they could talk without fear of eves droppers ] all the manic running and shouting was to confuse, but whatever they gave the kids to knock them out , [ and IMO kill one of them , they were ALL using and it wasn't calpol !!! ALL IN MY OPINION

by endgame 06.06.14 9:06

Cheshire Cat wrote:Another article which I feel merits its own thread. It's another one of those 'unhelpful' articles.

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English Police say that Maddie McCann assassins are Portuguese and are involved in drug trafficking

by Tânia Laranjo/Rui Pando Gomes

They are Portuguese and have a criminal record for drug trafficking. The English police states that they assaulted the apartment at the Ocean Club resort, in Lagos, and killed Madeleine McCann on 3 May 2007.

The phone calls made before and after the crime were used as evidence to support the searches that have been ongoing since Monday.

Scotland Yard also ensures that there is a British witness who saw one of the men carrying a child in his arms up to the wasteland, situated less than 500 meters from the resort. The British say that he fled, but before he was able to bury the girl's cadaver.

They want to hear the three suspects, but they still lack the evidence to support the claim.

“Those who are going to commit a robbery do not travel on foot and they will not abandon a body so close to the crime scene. Moreover, there were no signs of forced entry at the apartment”, said Gonçalo Amaral, the former PJ inspector who investigated the case and considers that this new theory is not credible.

This version is, incidentally, one among others contained in the letter rogatory which determined that the searches would take place. Though it is the strongest, the British open the door to other possibilities. Other five suspects are listed, they also have a criminal record for theft.

Seven years after the disappearance, the British police now guarantees to the Public Prosecutor's Office that their claim was well founded. The description given by a British holidaymaker coincides with one of the suspects who lives nearby. The woman saw him speaking in English on the phone, as he passed, carrying the child in his arms.

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I don't know why this story is receiving so little attention and comment. If true [big if as always], it is the most significant statement on the case in months. It takes you right to the heart of the SY investigation, requests for info etc. and drives a complete coach and horses through all the theories that SY are pursuing some master strategy to catch the McCanns. It says quite clearly that they have evolved a theory of bungled robbery [their "strongest"] and are now looking for evidence to fit that theory. That is the whole purpose of their being in PdL right now. It supports all those who believe either that this is a whitewash or that AR is a complete dingbat thrashing around and completely out of his depth. It also strongly shows that the investigation has got absolutely nowhere in the last three years and that all the whacky stories one keeps reading in the tabloids are actually the mainstream thinking of SY. Time may yet tell that everything that AR is reported to have said and done shoud be taken at face value and not assumed to be part of the cleverest deception ever practiced by a serving policeman.

by Justiceseeker 06.06.14 9:07

3 drug traffickers?

Drs by trade are drug dealers (prescription drugs)

Could be a SY mind game?

by tiny 06.06.14 9:12

“Those who are going to commit a robbery do not travel on foot and they will not abandon a body so close to the crime scene. Moreover, there were no signs of forced entry at the apartment”, said Gonçalo Amaral, the former PJ inspector who investigated the case and considers that this new theory is not credible.

This is why I take no notice of this article.

by Justiceseeker 06.06.14 9:15

The reality is the police have not made this statement unless someone can provide a video link to it.

The police have made it clear they are not releasing info.

Even the portuguese media want to sell papers, the medias the media ie full of @@@@.

by endgame 06.06.14 9:21

tiny wrote:“Those who are going to commit a robbery do not travel on foot and they will not abandon a body so close to the crime scene. Moreover, there were no signs of forced entry at the apartment”, said Gonçalo Amaral, the former PJ inspector who investigated the case and considers that this new theory is not credible.

This is why I take no notice of this article.

But the point is not whether the theory is credible but, if true, this is what SY have formally presented to the Portuguese as the interim conclusion of their three year investigation and the basis of their requests to carry out further investigations in Portugal. No great wonder that the Portuguese have not agreed but it creates enormous doubt about the direction that SY is taking.

by stillsloppingout 06.06.14 9:30

IMO i think it's a show , deliberately staged at the start of PDL's high season , to pi** the natives off [ of course there government could have said no but really !! ]

It is to fit in with there working backwards plan .

Im sure if one of the pact had blabbed they would NOT be safe on the UK streets , because of being accessories to the fact . [ remember that point ] . and they would have not just stumbled upon the hole in the ground which they did/ OR ARE LEADING US TO BELIEVE . .

I think they the tapas lot all know where she was placed before she was moved . but only three know where she ended up .

Finally a person who is actually pro McCann . when i pointed out yesterday that the Police are looking for where a body was initially buried , and then moved , she said NO abductor would do that ...... EXACTLY .

SY if that is your theory, and the PJ publish dead and moved then you are going to look mighty corrupt .

i hope i am wrong.

by canada12 06.06.14 9:37

Sorry, but where has this information come from? SY are not commenting on the investigation and neither are the Portuguese police. So this very detailed info has come from...where? (puts hand to ear to listen for sources)...

by Woofer 06.06.14 9:39

Nah ... don`t reckon its a show anymore.

And as I said on the `digging` thread ....... I betcha any leads SY are following do not finish at the parents` door.

by BigRon 06.06.14 9:39

I still say the whole point of the Grange review is to come up with something, anything to exonerate K&G. SY would love to do some surreptitious work, coincidentally 'unsupervised' by the PJ and suddenly "Hey guys! Look what we've found! Something that fits in with our druggie/paedo/burglar abductor theory!". All of this activity around Portugal is because the PJ reopened their own investigation and SY want to get closer to it so they can report back to the McCanns. They can then be forewarned if the inevitable happens.

Why else would K&G have pressed for a review in the first place? Best form of defence is attack and all that....

Just my theory of course..

by Woofer 06.06.14 9:41

canada12 wrote:Sorry, but where has this information come from? SY are not commenting on the investigation and neither are the Portuguese police. So this very detailed info has come from...where? (puts hand to ear to listen for sources)...

The article was posted at the start of the thread canada.

by NickE 06.06.14 9:44

IF they interview the drug dealers,maybe they tell the Police who paid them for the "work".

by endgame 06.06.14 9:45

canada12 wrote:Sorry, but where has this information come from? SY are not commenting on the investigation and neither are the Portuguese police. So this very detailed info has come from...where? (puts hand to ear to listen for sources)...

Perhaps the "Public Prosecutor's Office" who will be actually processing the requests? My point is that it is at least as credible as anything else offered up by the press and there is as much possibility of this being true as all the other hundred and one explanations of what is going on that are regularly put forward.

by canada12 06.06.14 9:51

Woofer wrote:
canada12 wrote:Sorry, but where has this information come from? SY are not commenting on the investigation and neither are the Portuguese police. So this very detailed info has come from...where? (puts hand to ear to listen for sources)...

The article was posted at the start of the thread canada.

Yes, I know. I was questioning the source of the information in the article.

But going back over it, there are some nuggets which we haven't seen before...

The phone calls made before and after the crime were used as evidence to support the searches that have been ongoing since Monday.

Scotland Yard also ensures that there is a British witness who saw one of the men carrying a child in his arms up to the wasteland, situated less than 500 meters from the resort. The British say that he fled, but before he was able to bury the girl's cadaver.

Seven years after the disappearance, the British police now guarantees to the Public Prosecutor's Office that their claim was well founded. The description given by a British holidaymaker coincides with one of the suspects who lives nearby. The woman saw him speaking in English on the phone, as he passed, carrying the child in his arms.

If you remove the drug dealers from the story, the above info is actually quite intriguing. Where did this new witness come from?

by Guest 06.06.14 9:57

BigRon wrote:I still say the whole point of the Grange review is to come up with something, anything to exonerate K&G. SY would love to do some surreptitious work, coincidentally 'unsupervised' by the PJ and suddenly "Hey guys! Look what we've found! Something that fits in with our druggie/paedo/burglar abductor theory!". All of this activity around Portugal is because the PJ reopened their own investigation and SY want to get closer to it so they can report back to the McCanns. They can then be forewarned if the inevitable happens.

Why else would K&G have pressed for a review in the first place? Best form of defence is attack and all that....

Just my theory of course..

Exonerate K & G? How come, they were exonerated according to them and the press who said they were cleared. The papers have since printed stories very favourable to them, and in the eyes of the public the shelving report cleared them. So what's to exonerate?

by russiandoll 06.06.14 10:04

Imo phone traffic analysis has played a large part in why the police are searching particular locations and it is to do with a man speaking his native English.

by Woofer 06.06.14 10:05

Sorry for taking you literally canada big grin

"The description given by a British holidaymaker coincides with one of the suspects who lives nearby."

So one of these drug dealers lives nearby.

Anyway ..... why would a drug dealer abduct a child ?

by russiandoll 06.06.14 10:05

Big Ron... They can then be forewarned if the inevitable happens.
what's this in your opinion?

by canada12 06.06.14 10:20

Woofer wrote:Sorry for taking you literally canada

"The description given by a British holidaymaker coincides with one of the suspects who lives nearby."

So one of these drug dealers lives nearby.

Anyway ..... why would a drug dealer abduct a child ?

No worries, Woofer :-)
Hmm. Why would a drug dealer abduct a child?
I can't think of an answer at all.
Unless the child's parents owe the drug dealer some money.
Hmm.
Doesn't look good for the parents, then, does it?

by worriedmum 06.06.14 10:30

What tremendous news! Now , at last, we know!

I can't wait until the next exciting installment, when we find out how the drug dealers managed to get cadaverine to develop in between all that checking, how they managed to thoughtfully replace Cuddlecat and how they then snaked their way into the hire car weeks later !

Did all three of them hide, like sheets of paper, behind the bedroom door?

Must go, need to check if the tooth fairy has left me anything under my pillow...

by Guest 06.06.14 10:33

worriedmum wrote:

Did all three of them hide, like sheets of paper, behind the bedroom door?

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by russiandoll 06.06.14 10:34

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These are traffickers, not your ordinary addicts. Not likely to be short of cash.

Oh you mean like the real heavy dudes like the Colombians?
I see yeah it makes sense someone of that calibre would be involved. I mean with the amount they'd make out of it there would be at least enough for another clip of ammo for an AK47. Definitely worth their while.

by worriedmum 06.06.14 10:46

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And so that's THREE more lots of DNA not found in 5a. Did they jemmy the shutters?

by gbwales 06.06.14 10:49

candyfloss wrote:
BigRon wrote:I still say the whole point of the Grange review is to come up with something, anything to exonerate K&G. SY would love to do some surreptitious work, coincidentally 'unsupervised' by the PJ and suddenly "Hey guys! Look what we've found! Something that fits in with our druggie/paedo/burglar abductor theory!". All of this activity around Portugal is because the PJ reopened their own investigation and SY want to get closer to it so they can report back to the McCanns. They can then be forewarned if the inevitable happens.

Why else would K&G have pressed for a review in the first place? Best form of defence is attack and all that....

Just my theory of course..

Exonerate K & G? How come, they were exonerated according to them and the press who said they were cleared. The papers have since printed stories very favourable to them, and in the eyes of the public the shelving report cleared them. So what's to exonerate?

And of course it's really kind of impossible for SY to come up with something to "exonerate" them - their extraordinary conduct in the initial investigation is laid bare in the PJ Files and Amaral's book and Eddie & Keela's alerts are on record and on Youtube. These things cannot be unsaid and unseen. They are out there and they will stay out there.

by CynicAl 06.06.14 10:56

They were obviously pitifully poor at drug trafficking. The idea that the numerous traffickers operating across the water from North Africa would do business with anyone who used a traceable, trackable mobile phone before, during and after the kind of crime that would bring entirely the wrong kind of attention is laughable. That the three are even still alive after word of their hobby got out in the criminal fraternity of drug traffickers who are, in that part of the world, largely Muslim or Catholic, nominally at least, with likely qualms about the random murder of children as an evening pastime is nothing short of miraculous.

They were also terrible burglars it seems... Sod the valuables, take a kid. No? Oh right, the kid was dead. Take a dead kid. Hmmm. That doesn't work either. Ok, they must have made the kid dead... And then took the body... Because a missing kid is less shocking than a dead one when mum and dad stagger home from the bar, right? Errr, wrong. No, so if we take the kid, bury it, clean the place up and no one will know we were ever there and no one will come looking for us! Right... Apart from the missing kid, who is missing, with everyone out looking for them... Screw it... I'm out here carrying this dead kid - god, she's getting heavier - and looking for somewhere to dump her... Now, where... Oh sh1t... Is that a bunch of tourists coming? They sound like they have an Irish accent... What do I do? What do I do? What did the boss say to do? Let me think... Rule 1, don't make any phone calls, rule 2, if you get spotted don't do anything to draw attention to yourself, operate like you're in disguise... I know, I'll just give him a ring and ask where he thinks I should take her... But I'll do it in english so those Irish people won't know what I'm saying...