Re: Farce: Phone-calls-frame-maddie-kidnappers

by CynicAl 06.06.14 13:38

Naz_Nomad wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:
Naz_Nomad wrote:
j.rob wrote:If you look at the people that the McCanns surrounded themselves with following their daughter's disappearance, they are not the most savoury of characters. Experts in money laundering, crooked private detective/s - some of them verging on gangsters (if not gangsters).....
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I know English is not your first language.

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English is my first language, but yes, I meant those people, as the first three are 100% honest and trustworthy chaps.

Ah yes... Richard Branston, the pickle magnate... Sinister bugger.

by woodforthetrees 06.06.14 13:42

Branson made his first chunk of money copying tapes and selling them to the public through street sellers after finding a loophole in the copyright laws back in the late 80s and 90's

by CynicAl 06.06.14 13:48

Mirage wrote:I believe the press are ushering in a new era of unemployment for themselves. Editors clearly never read "The boy who cried wolf" as children. Nor did they heed the truism that the British are slow to anger.

I sense newspapers will pay in the pocket for misleading and misinforming the British public. And I don't want to hear any whining about being muzzled later on. If you are prevented from publishing the truth, the answer is certainly not to publish lies.

Eta I realise the OP is an article in CdM.

Of course, just as SY and PJ could be playing games with TM, the media could be playing games with Leveson...

After all, if NOTW did hack TM, and they DID get incriminating information that cannot be admissible in court, and if NC/RB DID try to butter up G&K to get close enough to get their numbers and their movements in advance and make them easy targets, and G&K DID screw them royally over Hackgate, and the media have been CR'd en masse, and the message that they want to send is that this country needs to see an end to press censorship, and make high profile targets fair game for intrusive investigation and surveillance, with the evidence gathered by media being made admissible in court, and oh how the unscrupulous media is now justified, even in gossip columns, for putting known heinous buggers through the wringer...

Well...

I'd actually expect them to have an unwritten agreement to print voluminous amounts of effervescent scheisse just to prove the point that once the direction of the media is thrown away or hampered, it becomes useless and frustrating to the public, but will print lies and bollocks as long as they support their right to sell media content to the people who don't believe the official lines.

At this stage, there's a whole lot of things that are possible, and all of them resemble pragmatic responses to frustrating situations, the far more likely truth than some elaborate high-level over-arching conspiracy theory involving nuclear secrets, pedophiles, nuclear pedophiles, government ministers, nuclear ministers for government pedophiles or the House of Windsor and their reptilian hordes.

by CynicAl 06.06.14 13:50

woodforthetrees wrote:Branson made his first chunk of money copying tapes and selling them to the public through street sellers after finding a loophole in the copyright laws back in the late 80s and 90's

No, no... BransTon who made his first chunk of onion and apple into a nice sweet pickle which sold like hot cakes in small glass jars and made him popular nationally.

by woodforthetrees 06.06.14 13:51

ha ha CynicAl, very good big grin

by CynicAl 06.06.14 13:52

canada12 wrote:
CynicAl wrote:They were obviously pitifully poor at drug trafficking. The idea that the numerous traffickers operating across the water from North Africa would do business with anyone who used a traceable, trackable mobile phone before, during and after the kind of crime that would bring entirely the wrong kind of attention is laughable. That the three are even still alive after word of their hobby got out in the criminal fraternity of drug traffickers who are, in that part of the world, largely Muslim or Catholic, nominally at least, with likely qualms about the random murder of children as an evening pastime is nothing short of miraculous.

They were also terrible burglars it seems... Sod the valuables, take a kid. No? Oh right, the kid was dead. Take a dead kid. Hmmm. That doesn't work either. Ok, they must have made the kid dead... And then took the body... Because a missing kid is less shocking than a dead one when mum and dad stagger home from the bar, right? Errr, wrong. No, so if we take the kid, bury it, clean the place up and no one will know we were ever there and no one will come looking for us! Right... Apart from the missing kid, who is missing, with everyone out looking for them... Screw it... I'm out here carrying this dead kid - god, she's getting heavier - and looking for somewhere to dump her... Now, where... Oh sh1t... Is that a bunch of tourists coming? They sound like they have an Irish accent... What do I do? What do I do? What did the boss say to do? Let me think... Rule 1, don't make any phone calls, rule 2, if you get spotted don't do anything to draw attention to yourself, operate like you're in disguise... I know, I'll just give him a ring and ask where he thinks I should take her... But I'll do it in english so those Irish people won't know what I'm saying...

Wait, wait, I'll have to abandon this dead kid NOW. I can't go back to my two pals with her. Maybe I can take her back to the flat I took her from. I left the shutters open. Should be easy. In the same way I climbed out. And who's that English lady looking at me and making notes? She looks proper shifty. I think I'll just drop the kid here on this wasteland and hope she doesn't notice. Damn. She's seen me. I'm leaving. I need a pee. I think there's a loo at the Ocean Club...

You mean the guy frantically searching round the hillside muttering 'I'm sure there was a pit round here somewhere... used to play in it as a kid... where the hell is iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit' before disappearing from view.

by jhansigirl 06.06.14 14:03

Could it possibly be a 'new' sighting from a different evening?

by AndyB 06.06.14 14:23

CynicAl wrote:At this stage, there's a whole lot of things that are possible, and all of them resemble pragmatic responses to frustrating situations, the far more likely truth than some elaborate high-level over-arching conspiracy theory involving nuclear secrets, pedophiles, nuclear pedophiles, government ministers, nuclear ministers for government pedophiles or the House of Windsor and their reptilian hordes.

:-)
That made me smile. Nevertheless, your theory is predicated on nothing more than your imagination and relies on News International being a force for the common good, which is something I think a lot of people will struggle to accept. At least the other theories that you mock have the virtue of having some sort of evidence to back them up:

Gerry was involved with COMARE, which wrote a report on the safety of nuclear power stations that directly contradicted a similar German report
Kate & Gerry have told us all along that paedophilia was involved "She's been taken by paedophiles"
The Gasper statements
Tom Watson MP has claimed that there is evidence of a high profile paedophile ring that leads all the way back to no. 10 and which the Met are allegedly investigating [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
The Met are currently accused of not investing high profile paedophiles because of who they are. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Admittedly, there is no connection between 2/3 and 4/5. The shape shifting reptile thing is almost certainly nonsense but I don't recall reading anyone on here seriously suggesting it as a possibility (and I suspect was just included for its comic value)

by MRNOODLES 06.06.14 15:49

Ah but what if by sheer coincidence a Portuguese were in of a drug trafficking surveillance operation. E.G these shadowery people lurking at the bottom of stair wells etc. They indeed saw and had valuble information for the McCanns' case, but at the time couldn't say anything because they were undercover.

What if there was a sort of cover up. But McCanns got lucky by way of coincidence.

Just a thought the crossed my mind.

by ProfessorPPlum 08.06.14 18:13

CynicAl - excellent rationalisation back there on p5 (iPhone makes quoting and snipping impossible!). You're absolutely right, a live patsy would be a very bad choice for a whitewash or, for that matter, an earnest but doltish hypothesis by SY. It's fascinating to be at a point in time where all three possibilities seem to be coexisting: that SY is corrupt and protecting the McCanns, that they are well-meaning but completely inept or they are stalking the McCanns with patience and cunning as they build a case that strong enough to prosecute with. The trouble is no one single explanation works: there is evidence of all three mixed together.

And maybe that is how this will go: a mixture of corruption, decency, ineptitude and skill that totally confuses and frustrates the armchair analyst. On balance though the one thing this doesn't look like to me is 'whitewash' and that's because it's not possible for it to be one because too much is in the public domain thanks to the PJ.

Ignoring the media all we're left with are some striking turns of events: the transition from a live Maddie (and therefore fund source for the McCanns) to a dead Maddie. The re-opening of the Portuguese and UK investigations (when a whitewash would have closed one or both down)...and last but not least the ringing silence from the pink orifice.

I have no idea what's going on other that to back up CynicAl in saying that there will be good reason both for the searches ongoing and the Portuguese permission to do them.

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