Re: Digging to start next week - UPDATE... starting today 2/6/14

by jeanmonroe 29.05.14 14:22

noddy100 wrote:This all indicates that they are saying MM nevr left PdeL which was the conclusion of the PJ
Why aren't the press reporting this considering what it has cost?
I just don't understand it at all
Did the PJ ever consider digging before
Reading that article it sounds to me like its the PJs dig with UK on the sidelines or am I way off

Well, to use Andy's 'logic'

You could be way off OR you could be spot on!

You MIGHT be right OR you MIGHT be wrong!

Your left foot could be your right foot OR your right foot could be your left foot!

winkwink

Anyway back to your question we have this:

Firstly, a few days ago, "That is because the Portuguese police and not the British will carry out any work in Praia da Luz. British officers will simply be observers. The activity in Portugal is led by the Portuguese, that's absolutely crystal clear in law," Mr Rowley said.

Secondly, a few days later, "CM knows that the excavations will be carried out by the English police. The Judiciária will be on location (observing) just due to bureaucratic issues, given that it holds jurisdiction over the area.
Any 'discovery' will be communicated to the Portuguese authorities and will become part of the process, which was reopened late last year, and which presently runs against unknown persons."

So the answer is, the Portuguese are doing the 'digs' with the Met 'looking on' OR the Met are doing the 'digs' with the Portuguese 'looking on'!

Clear as mud, eh?

by Guest 29.05.14 14:26

So the UK police are involved with a dig in a foreign country, at the most inconvenient time for the area to be dug, a mention of murder has not been withdrawn and now we are told the dig is for a body.

Not looking good for our friends in Rothley.

by Tommo 29.05.14 14:27

Hi - My friend from Portugal just emailed me this. Thought i would post it on here. Hope thats ok.

Jornal de Notícias (paper edition)

English want to dig ground in search for Maddie

Polícia Judiciária (PJ) was in Praia da Luz yesterday, on the ground where the searches and excavations are going to take place.

by Marisa Rodrigues
29.05.2014

The investigators have worked out the last details for the diligences that are to start next Monday. They have been requested by the British police, that believes the body may be buried there, seven years after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, on the 3rd of May of 2007, at the Ocean Club resort, while their friends were dining with friends at the hotel’s restaurant.

On the ground were several inspectors, accompanied by the PJ’s Faro Directory’s coordinator, Luís Mota Carmo. They walked the entire area, by car and on foot, as JN was able to witness. This was one of the last steps that were missing in the planning that has been carried out by the team of Algarve investigators that was chosen to fulfil the requests from the Metropolitan Police that have been authorised by the Public Ministry.

Although the British police has already said that it wants to search at several locations in Praia da Luz, JN knows that diligences have been authorised at just one plot, the only one that was requested by the Metropolitan Police in the last letter rogatory. For searches at other locations, there will have to be another official request, which always depends on being granted by the Public Ministry.

The plot at stake is located near the Rua 25 de Abril, as JN has reported. It’s a vast area, with thick, high vegetation, and several slopes. Due to the dimension and the characteristics of the area, the forecast is for the work to last for at least one week. And that is what is planned.

According to what JN was able to establish, there are no searches, and even less excavations, foreseen for the first day of diligences, which should be Monday. First, the entire team will have to observe and delimitate the area that will be investigated. After that, the following steps will be defined.

A British team is expected to travel to the Algarve, including detectives from London’s Metropolitan Police, forensics experts, sniffer dogs and a geo radar to analyse the ground. The PJ has the exclusive competence of coordinating the entire operation. The British detectives cannot have any intervention.

DETAILS

Dead?
The most recent steps in the British investigation indicate that the possibility that is seen as the strongest is that Maddie is dead. Recently, the Metropolitan Police admitted, for the first time, that the investigation may be inconclusive.

British hurry
The British police’s intention of making searches on other grounds appeared even before the first one was planned by the PJ. The request has to be made through a letter rogatory to the Attorney General’s Office.

Repeated searches
The plot next to Rua 25 de Abril where the searches and excavations will take place was thoroughly searched by the GNR and by sniffer dogs, immediately after the disappearance of Maddie, seven years ago.

by missmar1 29.05.14 14:29

candyfloss wrote:
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Police prepare to dig for Madeleine McCann's body
POLICE will start searching for Madeleine McCann’s body next week.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 29th May 2014
No room for spin there.
Oh dear !

And the fund?

It seems the fund will bound to suffer now that SY are digging to look for a dead child. Yet even at this stage, with the dig about to commence, for Gerry Mccann to continue to claim they are hoping for a happy outcome imo, means he is clinging on til the very last donation hits the coffers.

by cass7 29.05.14 14:43

so the digs are about to start , at the beginning of the holiday season mmmm , i think and hope that the digs have already taken place and what we are seeing now in our press is bit by bit getting joe public prepared . i have always thought this review was just to shut the mcanns up once and for all , no more sightings during the holiday season , no more little girls gawped ant , and having to give a dna test , imo thats what this is the end

by jeanmonroe 29.05.14 14:44

noddy100 wrote:This all indicates that they are saying MM nevr left PdeL which was the conclusion of the PJ
Why aren't the press reporting this considering what it has cost?
I just don't understand it at all
Did the PJ ever consider digging before
Reading that article it sounds to me like its the PJs dig with UK on the sidelines or am I way off

By Paul Bentley AND Rebecca Camber AND Gerard Couzens AND Mark Duell

Published: 10:40, 7 May 2014

British and Portuguese police already at odds over Madeleine McCann search as it emerges that Scotland Yard detectives can only WATCH their counterparts dig despite covering huge cost
But while Met detectives instigated the new searches and will pay for them, they may only be allowed to watch while the work is controlled by the Portuguese.

FOUR 'reporters'?

Looks like a 2 week 'jolly' for the 'gang', coming up, in the worlds worst village, if you believe the McCanns AND the MET's 'blurb', for 'child abductions, burglaries, and with paedos, gypsies and 'dodgy' characters EVERYWHERE one turns'

by **PeterMac** 29.05.14 14:47

missmar1 wrote:It seems the fund will bound to suffer now that SY are digging to look for a dead child. Yet even at this stage, with the dig about to commence, for Gerry Mccann to continue to claim they are hoping for a happy outcome imo, means he is clinging on til the very last donation hits the coffers.

And the website STILLLLLLL has Tannerman, despite DCI Redwood tellking the world that he had been traced, interviewed and ELMINATED !
It also stil has the PayPal Donate buttons though I cannot bring myself to see it they are working.

Re the Fund. The Directors of the Limited Company re going to find themselves seriously compromised if things turn out in one way.
Their only defence will be Utter Blind Crass Incompetent Stupidity.

by Liz Eagles 29.05.14 14:48

cass7 wrote:so the digs are about to start , at the beginning of the holiday season mmmm , i think and hope that the digs have already taken place and what we are seeing now in our press is bit by bit getting joe public prepared . i have always thought this review was just to shut the mcanns up once and for all , no more sightings during the holiday season , no more little girls gawped ant , and having to give a dna test , imo thats what this is the end

There's been much talk of Madeleine's DNA.

In the case of Riley Ann Sawyers (Baby Grace) the US LEA requested Madeleine's DNA to be sent to them.

In the case of the New Zealand sightings of Madeleine in Dunedin/Queenstown, the UK requested DNA samples of the the New Zealand child to be sent to the UK. This same child was sighted twice I believe.

It doesn't make sense does it?

by **PeterMac** 29.05.14 14:48

jeanmonroe wrote:
Looks like a 2 week 'jolly' for the 'gang' coming up in the worlds worst village for 'child abductions, burglaries, and with paedos everywhere'

You mean the village of Pae da Luz ?

by Guest 29.05.14 14:57

PeterMac wrote:
It also stil has the PayPal Donate buttons though I cannot bring myself to see it they are working.

Why not make a donation, then say that you have seen various references to her death/murder, and politely ask for a refund?

by jeanmonroe 29.05.14 14:59

PeterM:
Their only defence will be Utter Blind Crass Incompetent Stupidity.
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OR the good ol' 'standby'

IDKNANGI.

( I Didn't Know Nuffink About Nuffink Guv Innit )

by missmar1 29.05.14 15:18

PeterMac wrote:
missmar1 wrote:It seems the fund will bound to suffer now that SY are digging to look for a dead child. Yet even at this stage, with the dig about to commence, for Gerry Mccann to continue to claim they are hoping for a happy outcome imo, means he is clinging on til the very last donation hits the coffers.

And the website STILLLLLLL has Tannerman, despite DCI Redwood tellking the world that he had been traced, interviewed and ELMINATED !
It also stil has the PayPal Donate buttons though I cannot bring myself to see it they are working.

Re the Fund. The Directors of the Limited Company re going to find themselves seriously compromised if things turn out in one way.
Their only defence will be Utter Blind Crass Incompetent Stupidity.

Could it be they "know" Tannerman could not have come forward as DCI Redwood claimed on national tv ? It would make a good defence for them if they are ever charged with anything to do with their child going missing.

Imagine if DCI Redwood has made up the story of Tannerman coming forward? Imo, considering he has been eliminated by SY, the Mccann's are keeping him on their website for a reason that can possibly be advantageous to them in the future - otherwise what possible reason would they have to keep him on their website knowing the whole world has been told he has been officially declared an innocent passerby by SY ? have they been given help ? a little inside information I wonder ?

by Guest 29.05.14 15:32

missmar1 wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
missmar1 wrote:It seems the fund will bound to suffer now that SY are digging to look for a dead child. Yet even at this stage, with the dig about to commence, for Gerry Mccann to continue to claim they are hoping for a happy outcome imo, means he is clinging on til the very last donation hits the coffers.

And the website STILLLLLLL has Tannerman, despite DCI Redwood tellking the world that he had been traced, interviewed and ELMINATED !
It also stil has the PayPal Donate buttons though I cannot bring myself to see it they are working.

Re the Fund. The Directors of the Limited Company re going to find themselves seriously compromised if things turn out in one way.
Their only defence will be Utter Blind Crass Incompetent Stupidity.

Could it be they "know" Tannerman could not have come forward as DCI Redwood claimed on national tv ? It would make a good defence for them if they are ever charged with anything to do with their child going missing.

Imagine if DCI Redwood has made up the story of Tannerman coming forward? Imo, considering he has been eliminated by SY, the Mccann's are keeping him on their website for a reason that can possibly be advantageous to them in the future - otherwise what possible reason would they have to keep him on their website knowing the whole world has been told he has been officially declared an innocent passerby by SY ? have they been given help ? a little inside information I wonder ?

Of course they know.

But what could the McC's say?

"Redwood is lying, it couldn't have been an innocent crèche-Dad because er, um, erm........we made him up in the first place"!

Mrs

by missmar1 29.05.14 15:42

Rose Quartz wrote:
missmar1 wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
missmar1 wrote:It seems the fund will bound to suffer now that SY are digging to look for a dead child. Yet even at this stage, with the dig about to commence, for Gerry Mccann to continue to claim they are hoping for a happy outcome imo, means he is clinging on til the very last donation hits the coffers.

And the website STILLLLLLL has Tannerman, despite DCI Redwood tellking the world that he had been traced, interviewed and ELMINATED !
It also stil has the PayPal Donate buttons though I cannot bring myself to see it they are working.

Re the Fund. The Directors of the Limited Company re going to find themselves seriously compromised if things turn out in one way.
Their only defence will be Utter Blind Crass Incompetent Stupidity.

Could it be they "know" Tannerman could not have come forward as DCI Redwood claimed on national tv ? It would make a good defence for them if they are ever charged with anything to do with their child going missing.

Imagine if DCI Redwood has made up the story of Tannerman coming forward? Imo, considering he has been eliminated by SY, the Mccann's are keeping him on their website for a reason that can possibly be advantageous to them in the future - otherwise what possible reason would they have to keep him on their website knowing the whole world has been told he has been officially declared an innocent passerby by SY ? have they been given help ? a little inside information I wonder ?
Of course they know.

But what could the McC's say?

"Redwood is lying, it couldn't have been an innocent crèche-Dad because er, um, erm........we made him up in the first place"!

Exactly ! So if JT has made Tannerman up and has not come clean to DCI Redwood and he made up the "innocent passerby Tannerman" - then, imo, they may be keeping him on their website because if they ever face charges in the future they can keep to their story of JT's sighting and, in their defence, they can ask DCI Redwood to produce the "innocent" Tannerman

by noddy100 29.05.14 15:50

missmar1 wrote:
Rose Quartz wrote:
missmar1 wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
missmar1 wrote:It seems the fund will bound to suffer now that SY are digging to look for a dead child. Yet even at this stage, with the dig about to commence, for Gerry Mccann to continue to claim they are hoping for a happy outcome imo, means he is clinging on til the very last donation hits the coffers.

And the website STILLLLLLL has Tannerman, despite DCI Redwood tellking the world that he had been traced, interviewed and ELMINATED !
It also stil has the PayPal Donate buttons though I cannot bring myself to see it they are working.

Re the Fund. The Directors of the Limited Company re going to find themselves seriously compromised if things turn out in one way.
Their only defence will be Utter Blind Crass Incompetent Stupidity.

Could it be they "know" Tannerman could not have come forward as DCI Redwood claimed on national tv ? It would make a good defence for them if they are ever charged with anything to do with their child going missing.

Imagine if DCI Redwood has made up the story of Tannerman coming forward? Imo, considering he has been eliminated by SY, the Mccann's are keeping him on their website for a reason that can possibly be advantageous to them in the future - otherwise what possible reason would they have to keep him on their website knowing the whole world has been told he has been officially declared an innocent passerby by SY ? have they been given help ? a little inside information I wonder ?
Of course they know.

But what could the McC's say?

"Redwood is lying, it couldn't have been an innocent crèche-Dad because er, um, erm........we made him up in the first place"!

Exactly ! So if JT has made Tannerman up and has not come clean to DCI Redwood and he made up the "innocent passerby Tannerman" - then, imo, they may be keeping him on their website because if they ever face charges in the future they can keep to their story of JT's sighting and, in their defence, they can ask DCI Redwood to produce the "innocent" Tannerman

I wouldn't put it past them

by Guest 29.05.14 15:52

But it was Jane Tanner who saw Tannerman. Nobody else did. So I would imagine that for Redwood to appear on Crimewatch and state conclusively that they have ruled this character out, they most likely have Jane Tanner's agreement that the man they've found is definitely - or almost certainly - the person she saw. In which case what can the McCanns do? Gerry said himself that he didn't see the man (or indeed Jane), so he cannot say who Jane saw and whether she has wrongly identified the person she says she saw as creche man now.

by noddy100 29.05.14 15:56

If tanner man really existed the mccanns surely would have wanted proof as he is the mainstay of what they believe and without him would need to take their own investigation in another direction. Why don't they want to see him and eliminate him too

by lj 29.05.14 15:56

Praia wrote:If TVI is right about the searches there are a couple of old, wrecked buildings up from Luzdoc which could have been used as a storage place.

Dr Amaral was pictured in the Express IIRC in front of a private house which he said his team had been very interested in, there was a big gate that was open at the time.

These would be very close to the Smithman sighting.

I can't believe this is all kicking in just as the main holiday season starts.

IMO th SY does not care about damage to Portugal. Again just my opinion, and that's the mice one.
.

by jeanmonroe 29.05.14 16:28

lj wrote:
Praia wrote:If TVI is right about the searches there are a couple of old, wrecked buildings up from Luzdoc which could have been used as a storage place.

Dr Amaral was pictured in the Express IIRC in front of a private house which he said his team had been very interested in, there was a big gate that was open at the time.

These would be very close to the Smithman sighting.

I can't believe this is all kicking in just as the main holiday season starts.

IMO th SY does not care about damage to Portugal. Again just my opinion, and that's the mice one.
.

Nice one, Andy,
"Smelly's" on the run,
Nice one, Andy,
Let's 'ave anuvver one!

by missmar1 29.05.14 16:54

Popcorn wrote:But it was Jane Tanner who saw Tannerman. Nobody else did. So I would imagine that for Redwood to appear on Crimewatch and state conclusively that they have ruled this character out, they most likely have Jane Tanner's agreement that the man they've found is definitely - or almost certainly - the person she saw. In which case what can the McCanns do? Gerry said himself that he didn't see the man (or indeed Jane), so he cannot say who Jane saw and whether she has wrongly identified the person she says she saw as creche man now.

Yes, but in order for Tannerman to have been officially eliminated, DCI has, in effect, agreed that JT did see the person she claimed to have seen - but he turned out to be an innocent passerby carrying his own child. Therefore, if the Mccann's want to challenge DCI Redwoods claims - he would have to produce a real living Tannerman - but could he ? I doubt very much that DCI Redwood would have taken JT to meet Mr Tannerman in person .... makes you wonder just how many officers/people did actually meet him after he came forward.....

by Tommo 29.05.14 16:57

Maddie's Jammies

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No I am not going to do another research on the infamous pyjamas.[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I am just trying to make sense of the current, rather confusing situation we find ourselves in.

The digging that is soon to commence...

If they are serious about digging in the heart of Praia da Luz and if it is not purely a distraction exercise for the media, I wonder what they will be looking for.

The evidence in the hired car, the George Brooks sighting and common sense tells us that it can't be a body they are looking for, but it must be some item/s that had to be disposed of separate from the body. IMO there is only one thing that the Gerry-lookalike abductor took with him on his way to the beach and that were Madeleine's pyjamas. Those pyjamas we had endless discussions about and whole newspaper articles written about trying to confuse us whether they were Eeyore or Barbie, white or pink, long-sleeved or short-sleeved...

The reason for the change of the description of the pyjamas which the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] might have been the description of the pyjamas the Smiths saw on the girl that had been taken towards the beach by a man resembling Gerry McCann. It might have been of utter importance to cover-up the Smith sighting and any resemblance with Maddie.

After the Eeyore pyjamas had been presented to the whole world it then would of course have been equally important that her body should never be found in her real pyjamas because that would expose a lie of enormous proportions. So body and pyjama would most likey have been separated at some stage.

Could this be the reason for the digs soon to commence? Not for a body but for the pyjamas? Their colour, make and sleeves would tell their own story.

I do remember Andy Redwood issuing the words: “We know the pyjamas their child was wearing…"

ETA:
While we are speaking a BRIGHTON film company have offered a programme to Channel 5 to be aired next Wednesday about the "McCanns and the Conman". Unfortunately the conman is not coming from Brighton but will be used to discredit the Smith sighting and the subsequent SY investigation based on the evidence of the Smiths.

by whatliesbehindthesofa 29.05.14 18:32

I don't understand the pyjamas thing.

Getting rid of a dead body - very hard.

Getting rid of a pair of pyjamas - very easy. For example, burn them.

by **PeterMac** 29.05.14 18:43

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:I don't understand the pyjamas thing.
Getting rid of a dead body - very hard.
Getting rid of a pair of pyjamas - very easy. For example, burn them.

Of keep them for 7 years - as Tannerman did, or so we are told !

by russiandoll 29.05.14 19:16

If not p.j's. or other clothing, then items relating to Maddie and that holiday, clues....I do not believe that a body will be found near to 5a.

I think it possible that if digging elsewhere, not too far from PdL but at some distance, they might find remains.

by **PeterMac** 29.05.14 19:49

russiandoll wrote:If not p.j's. or other clothing, then items relating to Maddie and that holiday, clues....I do not believe that a body will be found near to 5a.
I think it possible that if digging elsewhere, not too far from PdL but at some distance, they might find remains.

For what it is worth I not only think they will not find anything anywhere near 5A, I don't think they will search in any serious way - other than for press cameras - anywhere near 5A.
It would make no "scenario sense", and it would make no operational sense to waste resources.
Unless it was too keep the press looking 'Over here".

I have purported another location, where a proper dig type search might bear fruit.
Nowhere near 5A, not even in PdL, but not too far away.
The sort of place someone with a ruptured Achilles tendon might nip to, one cold afternoon.
And might re-visit once he (or she of course) had access to a car.

by russiandoll 29.05.14 19:59

PM- do you mean bear fruit as to items/ human remains or both? Do you think that any incriminating items would have been in landfill/ burnt asap after the event and so could never be discovered?

by Google.Gaspar.Statements 29.05.14 20:04

PeterMac wrote:
russiandoll wrote:If not p.j's. or other clothing, then items relating to Maddie and that holiday, clues....I do not believe that a body will be found near to 5a.
I think it possible that if digging elsewhere, not too far from PdL but at some distance, they might find remains.

For what it is worth I not only think they will not find anything anywhere near 5A, I don't think they will search in any serious way - other than for press cameras - anywhere near 5A.
It would make no "scenario sense", and it would make no operational sense to waste resources.
Unless it was too keep the press looking 'Over here".

I have purported another location, where a proper dig type search might bear fruit.
Nowhere near 5A, not even in PdL, but not too far away.
The sort of place someone with a ruptured Achilles tendon might nip to, one cold afternoon.
And might re-visit once he (or she of course) had access to a car.

Have you shared your purportation with the MET police or PJ?

by petunia 29.05.14 20:22

I am not buying digging near 5a for a body either, i also don't believe imo that Madeleine went "missing" wearing her Jimmies people assume she was in pyjamas because the mccann's told the world she was taken from her "bed" I do however believe they are digging for some kind of hidden evidence maybe not just clothes, but also empty bottles of cleaning materials etc all in my own opinion of course.

by Justformaddie 29.05.14 20:26

Rose Quartz wrote:
missmar1 wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
missmar1 wrote:It seems the fund will bound to suffer now that SY are digging to look for a dead child. Yet even at this stage, with the dig about to commence, for Gerry Mccann to continue to claim they are hoping for a happy outcome imo, means he is clinging on til the very last donation hits the coffers.

And the website STILLLLLLL has Tannerman, despite DCI Redwood tellking the world that he had been traced, interviewed and ELMINATED !
It also stil has the PayPal Donate buttons though I cannot bring myself to see it they are working.

Re the Fund. The Directors of the Limited Company re going to find themselves seriously compromised if things turn out in one way.
Their only defence will be Utter Blind Crass Incompetent Stupidity.

Could it be they "know" Tannerman could not have come forward as DCI Redwood claimed on national tv ? It would make a good defence for them if they are ever charged with anything to do with their child going missing.

Imagine if DCI Redwood has made up the story of Tannerman coming forward? Imo, considering he has been eliminated by SY, the Mccann's are keeping him on their website for a reason that can possibly be advantageous to them in the future - otherwise what possible reason would they have to keep him on their website knowing the whole world has been told he has been officially declared an innocent passerby by SY ? have they been given help ? a little inside information I wonder ?
Of course they know.

But what could the McC's say?

"Redwood is lying, it couldn't have been an innocent crèche-Dad because er, um, erm........we made him up in the first place"!

If tannerman was real, every person there would have been running in that direction ASAP, even the first police to arrive would have been trailed that way by his arms. IMO none of that was done so to me tannerman was false IMO yes

by missmar1 29.05.14 20:37

Justformaddie wrote:
Rose Quartz wrote:
missmar1 wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
missmar1 wrote:It seems the fund will bound to suffer now that SY are digging to look for a dead child. Yet even at this stage, with the dig about to commence, for Gerry Mccann to continue to claim they are hoping for a happy outcome imo, means he is clinging on til the very last donation hits the coffers.

And the website STILLLLLLL has Tannerman, despite DCI Redwood tellking the world that he had been traced, interviewed and ELMINATED !
It also stil has the PayPal Donate buttons though I cannot bring myself to see it they are working.

Re the Fund. The Directors of the Limited Company re going to find themselves seriously compromised if things turn out in one way.
Their only defence will be Utter Blind Crass Incompetent Stupidity.

Could it be they "know" Tannerman could not have come forward as DCI Redwood claimed on national tv ? It would make a good defence for them if they are ever charged with anything to do with their child going missing.

Imagine if DCI Redwood has made up the story of Tannerman coming forward? Imo, considering he has been eliminated by SY, the Mccann's are keeping him on their website for a reason that can possibly be advantageous to them in the future - otherwise what possible reason would they have to keep him on their website knowing the whole world has been told he has been officially declared an innocent passerby by SY ? have they been given help ? a little inside information I wonder ?
Of course they know.

But what could the McC's say?

"Redwood is lying, it couldn't have been an innocent crèche-Dad because er, um, erm........we made him up in the first place"!

If tannerman was real, every person there would have been running in that direction ASAP, even the first police to arrive would have been trailed that way by his arms. IMO none of that was done so to me tannerman was false IMO

If Tannerman was indeed false - then imo, thats the reason why the Mccann's keep him on their website in case they may need to challenge DCI Redwood to produce Tannerman in person in the future