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Post by aiyoyo 02.06.14 22:18

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aiyoyo wrote:Where is the site of the tents - anyone ?  TY

Is that inside or outside PDL ?

It would be a twisted irony if this "hard" evidence is glimpsed on Exton files.

And, if the body is found ( personally I doubt it) before trial date, what will Gerry say on the stand?  

If they were digging for - well whatever - forensic archaeological procedures such as a flotation tank should be used, otherwise small bits if evidence will be lost. At the very least  they'd have to put every shovel of earth through fine sieves.

If the tents were meant to prevent prying eyes they should not have pre announced the digs leading to press cameras shadowing them even before the digs start. Maybe the tents is shelter for the experts - the forensics archaeologist, biologist, geologist etc, and police officers from sunny weather. The tents would suggest they expect to stay in the one area for at least a few days else it defeats the purpose to assemble tents just for one day.

It is an expensive set up involving logistics etc not forgetting JCB, radar equipment, dogs, experts, all these have to be repeated in however many locations targeted for digs.

It is an expensive fishing expedition just for distraction.
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Post by russiandoll 02.06.14 22:21

NickE wrote:Police have marked off 5 areas.
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 which was shown in all its glory on the ITV news at 6.30 pm and was doubtless shown again at 10.

 Now awaiting the normally sensible Kevin Maguire from the Daily Mirror to slate the PJ in the newspaper review on Sky in a few minutes...he always does.

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Post by Woofer 02.06.14 22:21

NickE wrote:Police have marked off 5 areas.
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I wish I could understand Portuguese.  So, are the 5 areas all within the one big area?  I see 2 blue tents on the scrubby area and there is a white tent on the small tarmac road leading up to the top of the mount.  I can`t get up that road on the google map but why would they mark off an area which is on tarmac?

The more areas they are highlighting, the more I think they`re guessing.  If it was just one area, it would certainly be from information received.

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Post by kevmack 02.06.14 22:29

candyfloss wrote:The police in this country wouldn't be allowed to dig or dig if they didn't have some sort of firm evidence to do so, they would need court orders etc., to dig up land, let alone do it in a foreign country.  The costs must be horrendous........ I really can't understand why anyone would think this could possibly be a cover up.  I believe they have firm evidence or information from somewhere and are checking it out.  The Portuguese certainly would not allow this in their country unless this was the  case.  Would the British allow the Portuguese police to do this  here without absolute proof or evidence?
Totally agree with this Candy, there is just too much invested in the joint investigation to just use the exercise for some sort of cover up.  I still maintain if there was going to be a cover up, it would have been done and dusted after the original shelving in 2008, or if it was to give the mccanns complete exoneration, then it would have happened at the SY review stage.

Nope, I'm looking forward to see what transpires in the coming days/weeks.
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Post by Mirage 02.06.14 22:33

russiandoll wrote:
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 which was shown in all its glory on the ITV news at 6.30 pm and was doubtless shown again at 10.

 Now awaiting the normally sensible Kevin Maguire from the Daily Mirror to slate the PJ in the newspaper review on Sky in a few minutes...he always does.
I like Maguire up to a point, rd, but he can be pig-headed. If he starts on the PJ, perhaps this forum should send him a copy of. Hobs' marvelous post of yesterday if she agreed.

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Post by kevmack 02.06.14 22:35

I doubt they are guessing Woofer, that's an awful lot of resources, not just from SY but from the PJ as well, to just spend meandering around PdL.  No, I believe that they know either what they are looking for (not necessarily a body) or where to look for it imo
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Post by ChippyM 02.06.14 22:40

Woofer wrote:
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I wish I could understand Portuguese.  So, are the 5 areas all within the one big area?  I see 2 blue tents on the scrubby area and there is a white tent on the small tarmac road leading up to the top of the mount.  I can`t get up that road on the google map but why would they mark off an area which is on tarmac?

The more areas they are highlighting, the more I think they`re guessing.  If it was just one area, it would certainly be from information received.
   people seemed to enter the blue tents and walk straight through like it might have been some kind of base/briefing place. maybe the tarmac area had a dog alert or something? I got to around 3 mins when the dog was brought out and then the video wouldn't play anymore.
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Post by Silverspeed 02.06.14 22:43

How The Express is reporting it tomorrow.


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Post by PeterMac 02.06.14 22:44

My fag-packet calculations put me well beyond many hundreds of thousands of pounds - so far.
If this goes on for a week, or even into a second week,
then they are beyond the stage where a well worded FOI request to the Met and the Home Office could possibly be refused.

They are, in my humble opinion, already in territory where, in the event of no result, questions will be asked in the House.
There are several MPs who are not particularly enamoured of the present government and who might relish the opportunity in this 11 month lead up to the election,
to have their moment in Hansard.
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Post by BigRon 02.06.14 22:50

Absolutely PM - did suggest that a local MP should be contacted to raise this in the House as funds are meant to be coming directly out of Home Office coffers.

The more I see Op Grange (OG - Own Goal anyone? World Cup and all) people in Portugal the more I am thinking they are coming up with any excuse to travel over to Portugal to try and find out what the PJ are up to so they can report back to G&K?? This 'dig' gives them at least a week's worth of 'digging' around the PJ officers/offices maybe?
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Post by TheTruthWillOut 02.06.14 22:51

Silverspeed wrote:How The Express is reporting it tomorrow.


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The last word "sniffer".......such teases! lol4 

As an aside, on Crimewatch earlier the investigation of Susanna Pilley was featured and of course cadaver dogs where, to paraphrase, a key part of the case....amazing!
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Post by Silverspeed 02.06.14 22:53

Silverspeed wrote:How The Express is reporting it tomorrow.


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Just seen the front page of The Mirror.

'Agony Of The McCanns' says the headline.

'Distraught parents Kate and Gerry were last night bracing themselves for significant news.'

I wonder what that might be?
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Post by ShuBob 02.06.14 22:55

Thanks for the Mirror front page candyfloss.

'Distraught parents Kate and Gerry were said last night to be bracing themselves for "significant news".'

Hmmm.....
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Post by russiandoll 02.06.14 22:57

well well....on 3 tabloid front pages at least and when Sky looked at one of them, they ignored Maddie story and had a laugha t a very large 12lb baby!

    ignored a photo of a woman holding a spade in each hand !

 Maddie story totally ignored.

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I am already getting bored with this whole thing, so . . .
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Hey, lads, come up here. There's this cracking lass on the beach and she's just taken her top off ! !

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Some dirty bugger's left a johnny . . .
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Look at the rest of the stories on the front page of The Sun!
Nice to see them showing a little respect!
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Post by Guest 02.06.14 23:03

ShuBob wrote:Thanks for the Mirror front page candyfloss.

'Distraught parents Kate and Gerry were said last night to be bracing themselves for "significant news".'

Hmmm.....


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PeterMac wrote:I am already getting bored with this whole thing, so . . .
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Post by ChippyM 02.06.14 23:10

The guy holding the cloth is doing an impression of Tannerman.
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Post by russiandoll 02.06.14 23:18

Comments from Duarte included :

   Madeleine McCann search 'unprecedented operation' as British police descend on holiday complex for dig
Jun 02, 2014 22:30 By Martin Fricker
A dozen British detectives and uniformed police descended on the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, where the youngster disappeared days before her fourth birthday

After seven years of heartache, Kate and Gerry McCann face new agony as police began digging near the Algarve holiday complex where their daughter Madeleine disappeared.

In an unprecedented operation initiated by Scotland Yard, officers were concentrating their search on an overgrown area of scrubland as the McCanns were said to be bracing themselves for “significant news.

A dozen British detectives and uniformed police descended on the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, where the three-year-old vanished in May 2007.

The search team, liaising with Portuguese authorities, spent more than seven hours mapping out the area, just 300 yards from the family apartment where she was last seen.

The Operation Grange team erected three forensic tents in specific spots as part of the most significant development since Madeleine was snatched.

Detectives are expected to start using ground-penetrating radar and begin excavation work for clues that could solve the tragic case.

The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, said the distraught couple “just want to know exactly what happened to their daughter”.

She added: “It is my belief that police have some very good information to be carrying out ground searches.

“I believe there is data in the criminal file which has led to this operation because, if not, police would not be performing this very drastic task.

“Kate and Gerry have not been given any information that Madeleine is dead, and until this happens they have to believe she is still alive.


“But they think police will come up with some significant news. It is such a stressful time for them and my heart goes out to them.

"It has been so long, and the investigating officers now have new information and there may finally be some answers.”

Ms Duarte added: “I don’t need to ask them how they are feeling. It is very clear.

"But it is not for me to say if they fear the worse.”

It was the evening of May 3, 2007 – just nine days before her fourth birthday – when Madeleine went missing from the ground floor apartment while her parents dined in a tapas restaurant with friends.

The Portuguese police case - which was criticised after Kate and Gerry, from Rothely, Leics. were named formal suspects – was shelved the following year.

Operation Grange was set up in 2011 to re-investigate the disappearance after David Cameron ordered Scotland Yard to review all the evidence.

UK police have made numerous trips to Portugal this is the first time they have carried out a search.

But the move has angered locals – with the resort’s mayor speaking of his “regret” at the police activity.

Victor Mata said the timing of the search “couldn’t be worse” and that residents were being “punished” by the renewed investigation.

He said: “With every search, it doesn’t seem like we’re going anywhere – we’re going backwards.

"There was a battalion of people out here looking for the child seven years ago.

“Everybody was looking. Everyone wanted to find her. People criss-crossed that land as they did other parts of the village.

"This is a time when the number of people in Luz increases four-fold.

"Livelihoods here depend on the three summer months and this disruption is not good for business.

“I know of at least two hotels which have had cancellations as a direct result of the searches.

"But if police are certain their searches will bear fruit, locals here will be the first to assist.

“We are not against the searches, but we’d have appreciated it if they could have started in a few months’ time.”

One woman, known as locally as Nana, felt so strongly that she walked up to the site on Rua 25 da Abril with a handmade placard saying: “Dig up lies, not Luz”.

She said: “I’m very angry, frustrated, furious. This has such a detrimental effect on Luz locally, for tourism.

"People live off tourism. Luz is suffering – and that’s why I’m angry.”

The search is the biggest policing operation linked to Madeleine’s disappearance since the initial hunt wound down a month after she went missing.

The scrubland, which overlooks the resort’s beach, was sealed off by Portuguese officer under cover of darkness in the early hours.


A military plane flew over the site and took detailed images which were emailed to the British team on the ground.

They compared the photographs with satellite imagery taken in 2007 to see if any soil has been moved over the past seven years.

A remote-controlled drone was later seen hovering above the scrubland - which is close to where a suspect was seen with a girl in his arms on the night Madeleine was abducted.

British police arrived in Praia da Luz at 9.30am and held a briefing with local detectives in a makeshift command centre just yards from the McCanns’ old apartment.

Both groups emerged at 11.15am and left in convoy with two rented UK Europcar vans which contained the ground-penetrating radar, spades and other items.

They then mapped out the area - the size of three football pitches - with hi-tech surveying equipment.

The search site is on land owned by Belmiro de Azevedo – Portugal’s second richest man and 605th on the Forbes rich list.

Officers are expected to carry out similar searches at two more sites in the resort later this week.

Scotland Yard refused to comment on the dig. Portuguese cops have also reopened their inquiry into, but have refused to set up an official joint investigation.

A local police source said: “All the technical resources have been brought in from England.

“This includes archeologists, sniffer dogs and a ground-penetrating radar, while the Portuguese resources consist of pickaxes and a digger.”


Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ official spokesman said the couple were “being kept informed” .

Radar to reveal buried secrets
A modern ground-penetrating radar system allows detectives hunting for Madeleine to target excavations far more specifically than was possible before.

The four-wheeled device in use at Praia da Luz is made by the Swedish firm Mala Geoscience and costs around £24,000.

It can scan an area the size of a football pitch every day.

A similar device was used to find the remains of Richard III in a Leicester car park recently.

The machine works in a similar way to sonar but instead of sending out soundwaves it emits a radio pulse, which is reflected back from below the ground.

The signals can reveal the location of buried objects of all kinds with a different density or different electrical properties to the surrounding material.

Data can be read on a screen as the machine moves and is also stored in an onboard computer for further analysis by a geophysicist.

Gerry McCann has been given permission to speak in the £1million libel trial of Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral, who claimed in a book that Maddie’s abduction was faked.

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Post by maebee 02.06.14 23:22

I've been out of the loop for the past few days (son no1. home from Canada for the week) and have missed/didn't have time to check on all posts. I'm sure it's been mentioned that the "digs" (yea, I know), whatever their outcome, support Amaral's theory. They're not digging for an alive Madeleine:(
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Post by ShuBob 02.06.14 23:29

Thanks for that Russiandoll.

I find Dra Duarte's comments most interesting  yes 
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Post by tasprin 02.06.14 23:31

russiandoll wrote:Comments from Duarte included :

   Madeleine McCann search 'unprecedented operation' as British police descend on holiday complex for dig
Jun 02, 2014 22:30 By Martin Fricker
A dozen British detectives and uniformed police descended on the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, where the youngster disappeared days before her fourth birthday

After seven years of heartache, Kate and Gerry McCann face new agony as police began digging near the Algarve holiday complex where their daughter Madeleine disappeared.

In an unprecedented operation initiated by Scotland Yard, officers were concentrating their search on an overgrown area of scrubland as the McCanns were said to be bracing themselves for “significant news.

A dozen British detectives and uniformed police descended on the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, where the three-year-old vanished in May 2007.

The search team, liaising with Portuguese authorities, spent more than seven hours mapping out the area, just 300 yards from the family apartment where she was last seen.

The Operation Grange team erected three forensic tents in specific spots as part of the most significant development since Madeleine was snatched.

Detectives are expected to start using ground-penetrating radar and begin excavation work for clues that could solve the tragic case.

The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, said the distraught couple “just want to know exactly what happened to their daughter”.

She added: “It is my belief that police have some very good information to be carrying out ground searches.

“I believe there is data in the criminal file which has led to this operation because, if not, police would not be performing this very drastic task.

“Kate and Gerry have not been given any information that Madeleine is dead, and until this happens they have to believe she is still alive.


“But they think police will come up with some significant news. It is such a stressful time for them and my heart goes out to them.

"It has been so long, and the investigating officers now have new information and there may finally be some answers.”

Ms Duarte added: “I don’t need to ask them how they are feeling. It is very clear.

"But it is not for me to say if they fear the worse.”

It was the evening of May 3, 2007 – just nine days before her fourth birthday – when Madeleine went missing from the ground floor apartment while her parents dined in a tapas restaurant with friends.

The Portuguese police case - which was criticised after Kate and Gerry, from Rothely, Leics. were named formal suspects – was shelved the following year.

Operation Grange was set up in 2011 to re-investigate the disappearance after David Cameron ordered Scotland Yard to review all the evidence.

UK police have made numerous trips to Portugal this is the first time they have carried out a search.

But the move has angered locals – with the resort’s mayor speaking of his “regret” at the police activity.

Victor Mata said the timing of the search “couldn’t be worse” and that residents were being “punished” by the renewed investigation.

He said: “With every search, it doesn’t seem like we’re going anywhere – we’re going backwards.

"There was a battalion of people out here looking for the child seven years ago.

“Everybody was looking. Everyone wanted to find her. People criss-crossed that land as they did other parts of the village.

"This is a time when the number of people in Luz increases four-fold.

"Livelihoods here depend on the three summer months and this disruption is not good for business.

“I know of at least two hotels which have had cancellations as a direct result of the searches.

"But if police are certain their searches will bear fruit, locals here will be the first to assist.

“We are not against the searches, but we’d have appreciated it if they could have started in a few months’ time.”

One woman, known as locally as Nana, felt so strongly that she walked up to the site on Rua 25 da Abril with a handmade placard saying: “Dig up lies, not Luz”.

She said: “I’m very angry, frustrated, furious. This has such a detrimental effect on Luz locally, for tourism.

"People live off tourism. Luz is suffering – and that’s why I’m angry.”

The search is the biggest policing operation linked to Madeleine’s disappearance since the initial hunt wound down a month after she went missing.

The scrubland, which overlooks the resort’s beach, was sealed off by Portuguese officer under cover of darkness in the early hours.


A military plane flew over the site and took detailed images which were emailed to the British team on the ground.

They compared the photographs with satellite imagery taken in 2007 to see if any soil has been moved over the past seven years.

A remote-controlled drone was later seen hovering above the scrubland - which is close to where a suspect was seen with a girl in his arms on the night Madeleine was abducted.

British police arrived in Praia da Luz at 9.30am and held a briefing with local detectives in a makeshift command centre just yards from the McCanns’ old apartment.

Both groups emerged at 11.15am and left in convoy with two rented UK Europcar vans which contained the ground-penetrating radar, spades and other items.

They then mapped out the area - the size of three football pitches - with hi-tech surveying equipment.

The search site is on land owned by Belmiro de Azevedo – Portugal’s second richest man and 605th on the Forbes rich list.

Officers are expected to carry out similar searches at two more sites in the resort later this week.

Scotland Yard refused to comment on the dig. Portuguese cops have also reopened their inquiry into, but have refused to set up an official joint investigation.

A local police source said: “All the technical resources have been brought in from England.

“This includes archeologists, sniffer dogs and a ground-penetrating radar, while the Portuguese resources consist of pickaxes and a digger.”


Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ official spokesman said the couple were “being kept informed” .

Radar to reveal buried secrets
A modern ground-penetrating radar system allows detectives hunting for Madeleine to target excavations far more specifically than was possible before.

The four-wheeled device in use at Praia da Luz is made by the Swedish firm Mala Geoscience and costs around £24,000.

It can scan an area the size of a football pitch every day.

A similar device was used to find the remains of Richard III in a Leicester car park recently.

The machine works in a similar way to sonar but instead of sending out soundwaves it emits a radio pulse, which is reflected back from below the ground.

The signals can reveal the location of buried objects of all kinds with a different density or different electrical properties to the surrounding material.

Data can be read on a screen as the machine moves and is also stored in an onboard computer for further analysis by a geophysicist.

Gerry McCann has been given permission to speak in the £1million libel trial of Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral, who claimed in a book that Maddie’s abduction was faked.

Ah, the media usually say; 'Amaral claimed in his book that Maddie is dead' - now the Mirror has changed its tune to 'Amaral claimed Maddie's abduction was faked '
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Post by Dutchgirl 02.06.14 23:34

Snifferdog wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:Are the comments in the Daily Mail actually real?

Imogen, Truro, United Kingdom, 4 hours ago
The McCanns have done all they can. Answered everything put to them. No one could have put themselves on the line more than they. They have run for charity. They have jogged their hearts out to help in this mammoth search. Not a day has gone by when they have known peace of mind. Let us hope all this hard work has paid off and the real perpetrators caught up with at long last.

Please tell me that was somebody's idea of a sick joke.

I suspect its Pink alias' The reporters couldn't find any support for me and mrs in Praia.
I personally replied to this comment,  pointed Imogen to the 49questions,  the dogs and the Truth of the Lie, my comment wasnt printed.
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Post by russiandoll 02.06.14 23:35

You are welcome, shubob..... this bit, you mean?   [ bold mine]


   The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, said the distraught couple “just want to know exactly what happened to their daughter”.

She added: “It is my belief that police have some very good information to be carrying out ground searches.

I believe there is data in the criminal file which has led to this operation because, if not, police would not be performing this very drastic task.

“Kate and Gerry have not been given any information that Madeleine is dead, and until this happens they have to believe she is still alive.


“But they think police will come up with some significant news. It is such a stressful time for them and my heart goes out to them.

"It has been so long, and the investigating officers now have new information and there may finally be some answers.”

Ms Duarte added: “I don’t need to ask them how they are feeling. It is very clear.

"But it is not for me to say if they fear the worse.”

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Post by loopzdaloop 02.06.14 23:37

They won't find the body there as they took the body by car somewhere along that road where the pings indicated. However, I would consider that wasteland a good area to bury some last minute articles.
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