Re: Digging to start next week - UPDATE... starting today 2/6/14

by ChippyM 28.05.14 20:48

The three areas sounds like a re-hash of earlier articles. The 'private grounds' could mean land that is in private ownership such as a carpark or where a hotel is being built and not necessarily entry into someone's house or garden. I find it hard to get hopeful based on any un-named sources blathering to the media.

by stillsloppingout 28.05.14 21:24

This story about Police undertaking excavations i keep thinking " Shaft can you dig it !!!!" big grin

by aiyoyo 28.05.14 21:25

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The dig could begin as early as Monday if technicalities permit..........

by ChippyM 28.05.14 21:30

From Portuguese police sources, why don't they get some kind of penalty with the strict secrecy laws they have there?

by aiyoyo 28.05.14 21:53

Madeleine's parents vow not to return to Portugal unless new search finds Madeleine's dna.....

A UK crack team – believed to include a forensic archaeologist, sniffer dogs and ground penetrating radar - will scour an area yards from the family’s flat in Praia da Luz.

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WOW, British funded dig to include forensic archaeologist on the team.

by ChippyM 28.05.14 21:57

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Madeleine's parents vow not to return to Portugal unless new search finds Madeleine's dna.....

I doubt they will have much say in the matter if remains are found.

by **Tony Bennett** 28.05.14 22:14

Source in Portugal - Brit who has holiday apartment in Lagos and just been out there - writes to say:

"Saw three diggers parked up around Praia da Luz 24 May but saw no sign of digging".

Also encloses letter from one David Morley in Portugal News (17 May) which includes this passage:

"Opinions have been expressed about the Maddie case from the downright cruel to the downright stupid, but on one point most people agree: the Portuguese authorities made a monumental cock-up of the original investigation. And now, to compound this further, they are resisting further investigation and bickering over whether she is dead or alive..."

He is promptly rounded on in this week's edition of the paper (24 May) by Margaret Robson, who raises the issue of Kate McCann not answering any questions put to her in interview ("Had it been my child, I would have answered all questions to the best of my knowledge") and by P D MacCarvill, who notes: "Does anyone believe that the Met or other U.K. police force would be other than averse to a foreign force taking over a case on their own patch? It's not as if there isn't anecdotal evidence of sloppy and/or biased investigations in Britain"...and he also writes of "a cavalier approach to the care and protection of a young child and two younger siblings".

Earlier, on 3 May, a short article in the same paper about the case noted drily that:

"Millions of pounds spent by the Brtish taxpayer and the re-opening of the case in Portugal have proven of little use..."

Of 'little' use?

Of what use?

by Mirage 28.05.14 22:22

Google translation of article of 2 mins ago TVI 24. Site has a video report too. A backdrop of scrubland I believe. Will check Link given below.
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Searches for Maddie authorized only on land

PJ was on site to finalize details of the excavations in Praia da Luz , Lagos , advancing early next week
It is a TVI news. The Judiciary Police ( PJ ) was on Wednesday in Praia da Luz , Lagos , to finalize the details for the searches and excavations of the Madeleine McCann case . The arrangements are authorized for only one land . Seven years after the disappearance , the British police believe may come to find the child's body .

Are the steps you take to set lacked the last details . The team Board of Southern PJ , with the task of carrying out the steps requested by British detectives returned to the ground. The one where they are , so far , authorized searches and excavations on the beach of Light

Everything is ready for the letter rogatory is fulfilled . It will be a vacant lot , along the road April 25 . An extensive area , with work for several days . The start is scheduled for next week .

There elements of metropolitan London police and forensic experts , who bring sniffer dogs and georadar to analyze the terrain are expected . A planned and coordinated by PJ operation , having received a green light from the Public Ministry .

The latest steps of the British research suggest that the possibility seen as the strongest is that Madeleine McCann is dead . Seven years after the disappearance , it is suspected that the body can be in a place that , at the time , was the target of searches done by the GNR with the help of sniffer dogs .

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by Guest 28.05.14 22:31

aiyoyo wrote:Madeleine's parents vow not to return to Portugal unless new search finds Madeleine's dna.....

A UK crack team – believed to include a forensic archaeologist, sniffer dogs and ground penetrating radar - will scour an area yards from the family’s flat in Praia da Luz.

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Are they pre-empting again? An extradition notice this time?

by Guest 28.05.14 22:34

Dee Coy wrote:
Are they pre-empting again? An extradition notice this time?

Since Madeleine's DNA isn't exactly the cut and dried subject it might be, theirs could just be weasel words.

by Pershing36 28.05.14 22:34

Dee Coy wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:Madeleine's parents vow not to return to Portugal unless new search finds Madeleine's dna.....

A UK crack team – believed to include a forensic archaeologist, sniffer dogs and ground penetrating radar - will scour an area yards from the family’s flat in Praia da Luz.

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Are they pre-empting again? An extradition notice this time?

The Forensic Archaeologist has probably been carefully selected to make sure they dig in area's where they are absolutely certain not to find anything. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by Guest 28.05.14 22:36

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:
Are they pre-empting again? An extradition notice this time?

Since Madeleine's DNA isn't exactly the cut and dried subject it might be, theirs could just be weasel words.

Don't forget the hair, Clay!

by **Tony Bennett** 28.05.14 23:10

Mirage wrote:Google translation of article of 2 mins ago TVI 24. Site has a video report too. A backdrop of scrubland I believe. Will check Link given below.
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Searches for Maddie authorized only on one land

PJ was on site to finalize details of the excavations in Praia da Luz, Lagos, advancing early next week

It is a TVI news...The arrangements are authorized for only one land

Everything is ready for the letter rogatory is fulfilled. It will be a vacant lot, along the road April 25. An extensive area, with work for several days .

Thank you for the informative update.

'Smithman' was heavily featured in the CrimeWatch McCann Special on 14 October 2013. There was a reconstruction of the sighting. Mention of an irish family. Two e-fits which we were meant to think came from the Smiths.

This is how the Daily Express reported the CrimeWatch programme the following day:

"Mr Smith’s statement, written out by a Portuguese detective, says: “After leaving the bar he (Mr Smith) travelled in the opposite direction and reached a set of stairs which gave access to Rua 25 de Abril (25th of April Street), parallel to Rua 1 de Maio (1st of May street)".

So, 'Smithman' remains firmly in view, 7 months later, today.

Up until 14 October, we were looking for Tannerman.

Now we are not.

We are looking for 'Smithman'. Although, according to DCI Redwood and the Smiths, Tannerman, Crecheman and Smithman all look more or less identical. Quite a coincidence.

So their task is to find out who Smithman really was. (Assuming he ever really existed).

DCS Hamish Campbell, DCI Redwood's boss until June 2013, was in charge of the failed prosecution of Barry Bulsara where it looked as though a corrupt police officer may have placed a speck or two of firearms residue in Bulsara's coat pocket.

Only a few years earlier, DCS Hamish's former boss, DCS Brian Moore, the corrupt senior officer at the corrupt Stoke Newington police station, was as near as can be certain (so the Appeal Court said) of having been responsible for fitting up an innocent man and wrongly putting him in jail for two-and-half years. The corrupt method used to convict him was, again, deliberately placing specks of firearms residue in the man's coat.

Now, in the Met's efforts to identify 'Smithman', and to bring 'closure' to the McCanns and everyone else, do they have something, some kind of object or artefact, that is, shall we say - and I mean this literally - up their sleeve?

by noddy100 28.05.14 23:13

Do you think SY have questioned KM and GM at some point over the last few years
Not in an accusatory way necessarily but just in a general filling in gaps as they were there sort of way?

by Woofer 28.05.14 23:48

Looking along rue 25 abril on Google maps there is a large area of brush land at the western end but don't think it could be private. there are trees, one quite tall, and one would assume there was at least about 4 feet of top soil for trees to grow, so maybe deep enough to dig down a few feet.

by lj 29.05.14 0:07

Tony Bennett wrote:
Mirage wrote:Google translation of article of 2 mins ago TVI 24. Site has a video report too. A backdrop of scrubland I believe. Will check Link given below.
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Searches for Maddie authorized only on one land

PJ was on site to finalize details of the excavations in Praia da Luz, Lagos, advancing early next week

It is a TVI news...The arrangements are authorized for only one land

Everything is ready for the letter rogatory is fulfilled. It will be a vacant lot, along the road April 25. An extensive area, with work for several days .
Thank you for the informative update.

'Smithman' was heavily featured in the CrimeWatch McCann Special on 14 October 2013. There was a reconstruction of the sighting. Mention of an irish family. Two e-fits which we were meant to think came from the Smiths.

This is how the Daily Express reported the CrimeWatch programme the following day:

"Mr Smith’s statement, written out by a Portuguese detective, says: “After leaving the bar he (Mr Smith) travelled in the opposite direction and reached a set of stairs which gave access to Rua 25 de Abril (25th of April Street), parallel to Rua 1 de Maio (1st of May street)".

So, 'Smithman' remains firmly in view, 7 months later, today.

Up until 14 October, we were looking for Tannerman.

Now we are not.

We are looking for 'Smithman'. Although, according to DCI Redwood and the Smiths, Tannerman, Crecheman and Smithman all look more or less identical. Quite a coincidence.

So their task is to find out who Smithman really was. (Assuming he ever really existed).

DCS Hamish Campbell, DCI Redwood's boss until June 2013, was in charge of the failed prosecution of Barry Bulsara where it looked as though a corrupt police officer may have placed a speck or two of firearms residue in Bulsara's coat pocket.

Only a few years earlier, DCS Hamish's former boss, DCS Brian Moore, the corrupt senior officer at the corrupt Stoke Newington police station, was as near as can be certain (so the Appeal Court said) of having been responsible for fitting up an innocent man and wrongly putting him in jail for two-and-half years. The corrupt method used to convict him was, again, deliberately placing specks of firearms residue in the man's coat.

Now, in the Met's efforts to identify 'Smithman', and to bring 'closure' to the McCanns and everyone else, do they have something, some kind of object or artefact, that is, shall we say - and I mean this literally - up their sleeve?

Who was it again, who said they had nameS of the suspects. So we are looking for more Smithmen??

I think the crew from stillsloppingout's avatar might be right on the spot!

by lj 29.05.14 0:09

noddy100 wrote:Do you think SY have questioned KM and GM at some point over the last few years
Not in an accusatory way necessarily but just in a general filling in gaps as they were there sort of way?

One would hope the regular updates are moments to sneak in some questions. However what I have seen from Andy and his bunch I doubt it.

by Praia 29.05.14 1:01

If TVI is right about the searches there are a couple of old, wrecked buildings up from Luzdoc which could have been used as a storage place.

Dr Amaral was pictured in the Express IIRC in front of a private house which he said his team had been very interested in, there was a big gate that was open at the time.

These would be very close to the Smithman sighting.

I can't believe this is all kicking in just as the main holiday season starts.

by aiyoyo 29.05.14 6:08

Dee Coy wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:
Are they pre-empting again? An extradition notice this time?

Since Madeleine's DNA isn't exactly the cut and dried subject it might be, theirs could just be weasel words.
Don't forget the hair, Clay!

Yeah, hair results must already be in ages ago.

by aiyoyo 29.05.14 6:10

noddy100 wrote:Do you think SY have questioned KM and GM at some point over the last few years
Not in an accusatory way necessarily but just in a general filling in gaps as they were there sort of way?

Unlikely !

by worriedmum 29.05.14 6:37

Praia wrote:If TVI is right about the searches there are a couple of old, wrecked buildings up from Luzdoc which could have been used as a storage place.

Dr Amaral was pictured in the Express IIRC in front of a private house which he said his team had been very interested in, there was a big gate that was open at the time.

These would be very close to the Smithman sighting.

I can't believe this is all kicking in just as the main holiday season starts.

Is that the same building that was mentioned(can't remember the source) where it was uninhabited and there was a rusty shower cubicle but IIRC no shower curtain? Can anyone else remember this please?

by Praia 29.05.14 7:13

The shower outside was in one of the run down buildings. They are just up to the right from where the Smith's crossed Rua 25 de Abril.

by worriedmum 29.05.14 7:55

Thanks Praia. Is that a completely different building then?

by margaret 29.05.14 8:08

Praia wrote:If TVI is right about the searches there are a couple of old, wrecked buildings up from Luzdoc which could have been used as a storage place.

Dr Amaral was pictured in the Express IIRC in front of a private house which he said his team had been very interested in, there was a big gate that was open at the time.

These would be very close to the Smithman sighting.

I can't believe this is all kicking in just as the main holiday season starts.

Sounds great, cadaver dogs are going in too. Sounds like SY are onto maddies movements, l wonder if any clothes were buried in the gardens there? Some of Gerrys?

by AndyB 29.05.14 9:04

Tony Bennett wrote:DCS Hamish Campbell, DCI Redwood's boss until June 2013 [...]

Do we know why he's no longer Redwood's boss?

Could it be that after June 2013 the investigation became honest?

by Guest 29.05.14 9:41

IIRC he retired

ETA it was him and not Redwood, who led the Jill Dando case ...

by **PeterMac** 29.05.14 13:49

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Police prepare to dig for Madeleine McCann's body
POLICE will start searching for Madeleine McCann’s body next week.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 29th May 2014

No room for spin there.
Oh dear !

by jeanmonroe 29.05.14 14:02

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Police prepare to dig for Madeleine McCann's body
POLICE will start searching for Madeleine McCann’s body next week.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 29th May 2014
No room for spin there.
Oh dear !

Oh dear, indeed.

NOW nobody will be 'searching' for an 'unharmed' and 'live' Madeleine!

McCanns HAVE to 'sue' the Daily Star,(and their 'mate' Jerry Lawton) don't they, given that their libel case is based solely on GA saying Madeleine is not, in his opinion, 'alive' and that is what 'stopped' people 'searching' for her?

"See ya in court, Jerry!"
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Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for Mr and Mrs McCann, said: "Due diligence was carried out before Oakley were employed on behalf of the Madeleine fund. Money was PAID for work SATISFACTORILY carried out.........the contract was terminated. The matter is considered closed."

by noddy100 29.05.14 14:07

This all indicates that they are saying MM nevr left PdeL which was the conclusion of the PJ
Why aren't the press reporting this considering what it has cost?
I just don't understand it at all
Did the PJ ever consider digging before
Reading that article it sounds to me like its the PJs dig with UK on the sidelines or am I way off

by Guest 29.05.14 14:12

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Police prepare to dig for Madeleine McCann's body
POLICE will start searching for Madeleine McCann’s body next week.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 29th May 2014
No room for spin there.
Oh dear !

And the fund?